Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan (General Discussion)

by Steffyfanatic, Friday, March 15, 2019, 12:53PM (7 days ago)

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?

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Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Bold_Team70, Australia, Friday, March 15, 2019, 12:59PM (7 days ago) @ Steffyfanatic

In Soap In Depth. Annika Noel also says she does not know how long they will hold this secret! :wink
She wonders what is gonna happen. There are so many different paths they could take, and she is looking forward to what lies ahead.
Oh well. Scott seems to agree and enjoy this storyline. Even if a lot of viewers don't. Does not sound like this baby switch will end soon! :cry

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Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Barbybo, Friday, March 15, 2019, 3:38PM (7 days ago) @ Bold_Team70

In Soap In Depth. Annika Noel also says she does not know how long they will hold this secret! :wink
She wonders what is gonna happen. There are so many different paths they could take, and she is looking forward to what lies ahead.
Oh well. Scott seems to agree and enjoy this storyline. Even if a lot of viewers don't. Does not sound like this baby switch will end soon! :cry

Hope will have toms baby

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by IW, Friday, March 15, 2019, 4:28PM (7 days ago) @ Barbybo

In Soap In Depth. Annika Noel also says she does not know how long they will hold this secret! :wink
She wonders what is gonna happen. There are so many different paths they could take, and she is looking forward to what lies ahead.
Oh well. Scott seems to agree and enjoy this storyline. Even if a lot of viewers don't. Does not sound like this baby switch will end soon! :cry


Hope will have toms baby

Is that a spoiler?

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Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Barbybo, Friday, March 15, 2019, 6:04PM (6 days ago) @ IW

In Soap In Depth. Annika Noel also says she does not know how long they will hold this secret! :wink
She wonders what is gonna happen. There are so many different paths they could take, and she is looking forward to what lies ahead.
Oh well. Scott seems to agree and enjoy this storyline. Even if a lot of viewers don't. Does not sound like this baby switch will end soon! :cry


Hope will have toms baby


Is that a spoiler?

Preminition:whistle

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by JFK, Friday, March 15, 2019, 12:59PM (7 days ago) @ Steffyfanatic

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?

This type of story line has been around soaps for decades. Soaps are suppose to be over the top drama. Implausible storylines.

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Liam to Steffy: "You are more essential to me than my own name. When has it even been over between us?"

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by LTerri, Friday, March 15, 2019, 1:59PM (7 days ago) @ JFK

Well, first I'm impressed with
Scott's reply. Not sure how or where
that appeared but thanks to Scott.
JFK you are so correct, over the
top drama is why we watch!
Interesting that soaps are becoming
fewer and fewer but "This is Us"
is so successful. Could it be that
prime time viewers are finally
understanding what daytime viewers
knew all along?

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by TeamWivyQueric, Friday, March 15, 2019, 1:02PM (7 days ago) @ Steffyfanatic

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?

I understand what he's saying - some fans are regularly expressing that they want all conflict resolved and everybody happy. (Get rid of the villains, put all the couples back together, etc.). That has always perplexed me. What will there be to watch when that happens? I don't want to see the characters sitting around the breakfast table talking about the weather and what errands they are going to run today.

However, I also don't think what B&B does qualifies as "good" storytelling either. Well written soaps can drag out stories for a year or more and still keep the viewers engaged. B&B has much shorter story arcs than other soaps in general and yet they seem 3 times as long. Why is that? Well because they aren't really very good at it. They tell one story at a time for days on end. Not only do we see the main characters involved in the ONE story they are telling every single day, but we have to see other characters standing around doing nothing but talking about what we just saw yesterday, the day before, and last week with those same few characters. It feels like watching the story play out again and again 15 more times after the first time we saw it. This problem could be partially alleviated by being able to have more than one story going at a time. If you have multiple stories in different stages, you don't get so frustrated by a story being stuck in the "middle" stage for too long because theoretically there should be another story in beginning stages and another one that is nearing the end and being close to resolution.

And I believe B&B would see less frustration on part of the viewers if they could learn to stop dropping everything else for weeks and months at a time to drag out just ONE story.

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Curiosity12, Friday, March 15, 2019, 1:56PM (7 days ago) @ TeamWivyQueric

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


I understand what he's saying - some fans are regularly expressing that they want all conflict resolved and everybody happy. (Get rid of the villains, put all the couples back together, etc.). That has always perplexed me. What will there be to watch when that happens? I don't want to see the characters sitting around the breakfast table talking about the weather and what errands they are going to run today.

However, I also don't think what B&B does qualifies as "good" storytelling either. Well written soaps can drag out stories for a year or more and still keep the viewers engaged. B&B has much shorter story arcs than other soaps in general and yet they seem 3 times as long. Why is that? Well because they aren't really very good at it. They tell one story at a time for days on end. Not only do we see the main characters involved in the ONE story they are telling every single day, but we have to see other characters standing around doing nothing but talking about what we just saw yesterday, the day before, and last week with those same few characters. It feels like watching the story play out again and again 15 more times after the first time we saw it. This problem could be partially alleviated by being able to have more than one story going at a time. If you have multiple stories in different stages, you don't get so frustrated by a story being stuck in the "middle" stage for too long because theoretically there should be another story in beginning stages and another one that is nearing the end and being close to resolution.

And I believe B&B would see less frustration on part of the viewers if they could learn to stop dropping everything else for weeks and months at a time to drag out just ONE story.

I think your post is on point. I understand B&B is only 19 minutes long but that is NO excuse not to have multiple storylines. You could easily have two big storylines moving forward concurrently with a smaller one as "supporting" to ensure a maximum number of cast members are engaged in some way. You have 5 days a week - you could divide the weeks up where you focus a few days on 1 big story and the next couple of days on the other one and make the switch where it makes most sense. You could then stick the smaller story where you need fillers. In the old days B&B actually managed to pull it off so it's not that it can't be done. It's that the writers are awfully lazy.
I think it also needs to be said that B&B writing is god awful. I mean atrocious. So many nonsensical plot points, repetitive inconsistent dialogue and then dropped stories or sudden changes of direction. And then every once in a while they randomly kill off a character like Aly or Caroline but it is again just a means to support a plot rather than a storyline of its own with lasting repercussions. And then of course the lack of balance in character utilisation. I think there was an article comparing the four soaps and B&B was found to be by fa the most lopsided. That also affects storytelling quality.

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by TeamWivyQueric, Friday, March 15, 2019, 2:22PM (7 days ago) @ Curiosity12

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


I understand what he's saying - some fans are regularly expressing that they want all conflict resolved and everybody happy. (Get rid of the villains, put all the couples back together, etc.). That has always perplexed me. What will there be to watch when that happens? I don't want to see the characters sitting around the breakfast table talking about the weather and what errands they are going to run today.

However, I also don't think what B&B does qualifies as "good" storytelling either. Well written soaps can drag out stories for a year or more and still keep the viewers engaged. B&B has much shorter story arcs than other soaps in general and yet they seem 3 times as long. Why is that? Well because they aren't really very good at it. They tell one story at a time for days on end. Not only do we see the main characters involved in the ONE story they are telling every single day, but we have to see other characters standing around doing nothing but talking about what we just saw yesterday, the day before, and last week with those same few characters. It feels like watching the story play out again and again 15 more times after the first time we saw it. This problem could be partially alleviated by being able to have more than one story going at a time. If you have multiple stories in different stages, you don't get so frustrated by a story being stuck in the "middle" stage for too long because theoretically there should be another story in beginning stages and another one that is nearing the end and being close to resolution.

And I believe B&B would see less frustration on part of the viewers if they could learn to stop dropping everything else for weeks and months at a time to drag out just ONE story.


I think your post is on point. I understand B&B is only 19 minutes long but that is NO excuse not to have multiple storylines. You could easily have two big storylines moving forward concurrently with a smaller one as "supporting" to ensure a maximum number of cast members are engaged in some way. You have 5 days a week - you could divide the weeks up where you focus a few days on 1 big story and the next couple of days on the other one and make the switch where it makes most sense. You could then stick the smaller story where you need fillers. In the old days B&B actually managed to pull it off so it's not that it can't be done. It's that the writers are awfully lazy.
I think it also needs to be said that B&B writing is god awful. I mean atrocious. So many nonsensical plot points, repetitive inconsistent dialogue and then dropped stories or sudden changes of direction. And then every once in a while they randomly kill off a character like Aly or Caroline but it is again just a means to support a plot rather than a storyline of its own with lasting repercussions. And then of course the lack of balance in character utilisation. I think there was an article comparing the four soaps and B&B was found to be by fa the most lopsided. That also affects storytelling quality.

Everything about the writing is just bad. You can tell there is no long term story planning because sometimes they accidentally start with the makings of a good story and then Bell decides after a few weeks that he wants to focus elsewhere and suddenly a story that has been previously dragged out is ended very abruptly and usually unsatisfactorily because Bell decided he didn't know what else to do and wasn't interested anymore.

The dialogue writing - awful. Repetitive and unimaginative. The best I can say about it is that they occasionally come up with some good one liners. That's on their best day.

They need to clean house in the writing department and start over. And the new team needs to sit down and draw out a long term plan. Come up with 3 story arcs, lay out the timeline for all three so that they aren't all ending at the same time, figure out the outline for the beginning, middle and end of each story and what else that story is going to segue into when it nears the end. Make a list of all your contract actors (there aren't that many) and make sure they are all tied into one of those three stories in some way.

For people who get paid to do this full time for a living this should not only not be that much to ask but it should be the minimum requirement.

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Curiosity12, Friday, March 15, 2019, 3:12PM (7 days ago) @ TeamWivyQueric

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


I understand what he's saying - some fans are regularly expressing that they want all conflict resolved and everybody happy. (Get rid of the villains, put all the couples back together, etc.). That has always perplexed me. What will there be to watch when that happens? I don't want to see the characters sitting around the breakfast table talking about the weather and what errands they are going to run today.

However, I also don't think what B&B does qualifies as "good" storytelling either. Well written soaps can drag out stories for a year or more and still keep the viewers engaged. B&B has much shorter story arcs than other soaps in general and yet they seem 3 times as long. Why is that? Well because they aren't really very good at it. They tell one story at a time for days on end. Not only do we see the main characters involved in the ONE story they are telling every single day, but we have to see other characters standing around doing nothing but talking about what we just saw yesterday, the day before, and last week with those same few characters. It feels like watching the story play out again and again 15 more times after the first time we saw it. This problem could be partially alleviated by being able to have more than one story going at a time. If you have multiple stories in different stages, you don't get so frustrated by a story being stuck in the "middle" stage for too long because theoretically there should be another story in beginning stages and another one that is nearing the end and being close to resolution.

And I believe B&B would see less frustration on part of the viewers if they could learn to stop dropping everything else for weeks and months at a time to drag out just ONE story.


I think your post is on point. I understand B&B is only 19 minutes long but that is NO excuse not to have multiple storylines. You could easily have two big storylines moving forward concurrently with a smaller one as "supporting" to ensure a maximum number of cast members are engaged in some way. You have 5 days a week - you could divide the weeks up where you focus a few days on 1 big story and the next couple of days on the other one and make the switch where it makes most sense. You could then stick the smaller story where you need fillers. In the old days B&B actually managed to pull it off so it's not that it can't be done. It's that the writers are awfully lazy.
I think it also needs to be said that B&B writing is god awful. I mean atrocious. So many nonsensical plot points, repetitive inconsistent dialogue and then dropped stories or sudden changes of direction. And then every once in a while they randomly kill off a character like Aly or Caroline but it is again just a means to support a plot rather than a storyline of its own with lasting repercussions. And then of course the lack of balance in character utilisation. I think there was an article comparing the four soaps and B&B was found to be by fa the most lopsided. That also affects storytelling quality.


Everything about the writing is just bad. You can tell there is no long term story planning because sometimes they accidentally start with the makings of a good story and then Bell decides after a few weeks that he wants to focus elsewhere and suddenly a story that has been previously dragged out is ended very abruptly and usually unsatisfactorily because Bell decided he didn't know what else to do and wasn't interested anymore.

The dialogue writing - awful. Repetitive and unimaginative. The best I can say about it is that they occasionally come up with some good one liners. That's on their best day.

They need to clean house in the writing department and start over. And the new team needs to sit down and draw out a long term plan. Come up with 3 story arcs, lay out the timeline for all three so that they aren't all ending at the same time, figure out the outline for the beginning, middle and end of each story and what else that story is going to segue into when it nears the end. Make a list of all your contract actors (there aren't that many) and make sure they are all tied into one of those three stories in some way.

For people who get paid to do this full time for a living this should not only not be that much to ask but it should be the minimum requirement.

Speaking of random and dropped storylines, I thought it was ridiculous to have Pam and Charlie finally engaged and then just as randomly deciding against it never to be mentioned again. I guess the writers needed fillers and when it was no longer required, the story was over. Also, whatever happened to Donna/Quinn/Eric? Not that I was a big fan of the return of honey bear but I thought that's what they brought Donna back for- to give Quinn and Eric some story. Same with the random intern stuff that popped up here and there.
And then of course it is equally frustrating that when storylines change direction, the writers expect us to forget about everything we just witnessed. This is what happened with Katie and Wyatt and their partner switches. This is what happened after Bill stopped stalking Steffy and moved on to Brooke (and now we are asked to forget THAT happened so we could get behind another toxic version of Batie). The writers are so lazy but they also seem to have zero respect for the viewer.

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by TeamWivyQueric, Friday, March 15, 2019, 3:25PM (7 days ago) @ Curiosity12

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


I understand what he's saying - some fans are regularly expressing that they want all conflict resolved and everybody happy. (Get rid of the villains, put all the couples back together, etc.). That has always perplexed me. What will there be to watch when that happens? I don't want to see the characters sitting around the breakfast table talking about the weather and what errands they are going to run today.

However, I also don't think what B&B does qualifies as "good" storytelling either. Well written soaps can drag out stories for a year or more and still keep the viewers engaged. B&B has much shorter story arcs than other soaps in general and yet they seem 3 times as long. Why is that? Well because they aren't really very good at it. They tell one story at a time for days on end. Not only do we see the main characters involved in the ONE story they are telling every single day, but we have to see other characters standing around doing nothing but talking about what we just saw yesterday, the day before, and last week with those same few characters. It feels like watching the story play out again and again 15 more times after the first time we saw it. This problem could be partially alleviated by being able to have more than one story going at a time. If you have multiple stories in different stages, you don't get so frustrated by a story being stuck in the "middle" stage for too long because theoretically there should be another story in beginning stages and another one that is nearing the end and being close to resolution.

And I believe B&B would see less frustration on part of the viewers if they could learn to stop dropping everything else for weeks and months at a time to drag out just ONE story.


I think your post is on point. I understand B&B is only 19 minutes long but that is NO excuse not to have multiple storylines. You could easily have two big storylines moving forward concurrently with a smaller one as "supporting" to ensure a maximum number of cast members are engaged in some way. You have 5 days a week - you could divide the weeks up where you focus a few days on 1 big story and the next couple of days on the other one and make the switch where it makes most sense. You could then stick the smaller story where you need fillers. In the old days B&B actually managed to pull it off so it's not that it can't be done. It's that the writers are awfully lazy.
I think it also needs to be said that B&B writing is god awful. I mean atrocious. So many nonsensical plot points, repetitive inconsistent dialogue and then dropped stories or sudden changes of direction. And then every once in a while they randomly kill off a character like Aly or Caroline but it is again just a means to support a plot rather than a storyline of its own with lasting repercussions. And then of course the lack of balance in character utilisation. I think there was an article comparing the four soaps and B&B was found to be by fa the most lopsided. That also affects storytelling quality.


Everything about the writing is just bad. You can tell there is no long term story planning because sometimes they accidentally start with the makings of a good story and then Bell decides after a few weeks that he wants to focus elsewhere and suddenly a story that has been previously dragged out is ended very abruptly and usually unsatisfactorily because Bell decided he didn't know what else to do and wasn't interested anymore.

The dialogue writing - awful. Repetitive and unimaginative. The best I can say about it is that they occasionally come up with some good one liners. That's on their best day.

They need to clean house in the writing department and start over. And the new team needs to sit down and draw out a long term plan. Come up with 3 story arcs, lay out the timeline for all three so that they aren't all ending at the same time, figure out the outline for the beginning, middle and end of each story and what else that story is going to segue into when it nears the end. Make a list of all your contract actors (there aren't that many) and make sure they are all tied into one of those three stories in some way.

For people who get paid to do this full time for a living this should not only not be that much to ask but it should be the minimum requirement.


Speaking of random and dropped storylines, I thought it was ridiculous to have Pam and Charlie finally engaged and then just as randomly deciding against it never to be mentioned again. I guess the writers needed fillers and when it was no longer required, the story was over. Also, whatever happened to Donna/Quinn/Eric? Not that I was a big fan of the return of honey bear but I thought that's what they brought Donna back for- to give Quinn and Eric some story. Same with the random intern stuff that popped up here and there.
And then of course it is equally frustrating that when storylines change direction, the writers expect us to forget about everything we just witnessed. This is what happened with Katie and Wyatt and their partner switches. This is what happened after Bill stopped stalking Steffy and moved on to Brooke (and now we are asked to forget THAT happened so we could get behind another toxic version of Batie). The writers are so lazy but they also seem to have zero respect for the viewer.

Either Bell recognized that Donna/Eric/Quinn wasn't working or he got distracted by his newest shiny thing (the baby swap story) and decided to drop everything else abruptly so he could devote all his attention to it. Charlie should be really ticked that Pam agreed to marry him and then changed her mind with such a dumb excuse. He really should be wondering if maybe Pam just doesn't want to marry him because any reasonable person would be asking if that relationship is really going anywhere.

And don't get me started on the Batie thing. We are supposed to be as dumb as Katie I guess and just forget everything we've seen the last several years - including all of Batie's second marriage which was just a complete disaster.

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Curiosity12, Friday, March 15, 2019, 3:36PM (7 days ago) @ TeamWivyQueric

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


I understand what he's saying - some fans are regularly expressing that they want all conflict resolved and everybody happy. (Get rid of the villains, put all the couples back together, etc.). That has always perplexed me. What will there be to watch when that happens? I don't want to see the characters sitting around the breakfast table talking about the weather and what errands they are going to run today.

However, I also don't think what B&B does qualifies as "good" storytelling either. Well written soaps can drag out stories for a year or more and still keep the viewers engaged. B&B has much shorter story arcs than other soaps in general and yet they seem 3 times as long. Why is that? Well because they aren't really very good at it. They tell one story at a time for days on end. Not only do we see the main characters involved in the ONE story they are telling every single day, but we have to see other characters standing around doing nothing but talking about what we just saw yesterday, the day before, and last week with those same few characters. It feels like watching the story play out again and again 15 more times after the first time we saw it. This problem could be partially alleviated by being able to have more than one story going at a time. If you have multiple stories in different stages, you don't get so frustrated by a story being stuck in the "middle" stage for too long because theoretically there should be another story in beginning stages and another one that is nearing the end and being close to resolution.

And I believe B&B would see less frustration on part of the viewers if they could learn to stop dropping everything else for weeks and months at a time to drag out just ONE story.


I think your post is on point. I understand B&B is only 19 minutes long but that is NO excuse not to have multiple storylines. You could easily have two big storylines moving forward concurrently with a smaller one as "supporting" to ensure a maximum number of cast members are engaged in some way. You have 5 days a week - you could divide the weeks up where you focus a few days on 1 big story and the next couple of days on the other one and make the switch where it makes most sense. You could then stick the smaller story where you need fillers. In the old days B&B actually managed to pull it off so it's not that it can't be done. It's that the writers are awfully lazy.
I think it also needs to be said that B&B writing is god awful. I mean atrocious. So many nonsensical plot points, repetitive inconsistent dialogue and then dropped stories or sudden changes of direction. And then every once in a while they randomly kill off a character like Aly or Caroline but it is again just a means to support a plot rather than a storyline of its own with lasting repercussions. And then of course the lack of balance in character utilisation. I think there was an article comparing the four soaps and B&B was found to be by fa the most lopsided. That also affects storytelling quality.


Everything about the writing is just bad. You can tell there is no long term story planning because sometimes they accidentally start with the makings of a good story and then Bell decides after a few weeks that he wants to focus elsewhere and suddenly a story that has been previously dragged out is ended very abruptly and usually unsatisfactorily because Bell decided he didn't know what else to do and wasn't interested anymore.

The dialogue writing - awful. Repetitive and unimaginative. The best I can say about it is that they occasionally come up with some good one liners. That's on their best day.

They need to clean house in the writing department and start over. And the new team needs to sit down and draw out a long term plan. Come up with 3 story arcs, lay out the timeline for all three so that they aren't all ending at the same time, figure out the outline for the beginning, middle and end of each story and what else that story is going to segue into when it nears the end. Make a list of all your contract actors (there aren't that many) and make sure they are all tied into one of those three stories in some way.

For people who get paid to do this full time for a living this should not only not be that much to ask but it should be the minimum requirement.


Speaking of random and dropped storylines, I thought it was ridiculous to have Pam and Charlie finally engaged and then just as randomly deciding against it never to be mentioned again. I guess the writers needed fillers and when it was no longer required, the story was over. Also, whatever happened to Donna/Quinn/Eric? Not that I was a big fan of the return of honey bear but I thought that's what they brought Donna back for- to give Quinn and Eric some story. Same with the random intern stuff that popped up here and there.
And then of course it is equally frustrating that when storylines change direction, the writers expect us to forget about everything we just witnessed. This is what happened with Katie and Wyatt and their partner switches. This is what happened after Bill stopped stalking Steffy and moved on to Brooke (and now we are asked to forget THAT happened so we could get behind another toxic version of Batie). The writers are so lazy but they also seem to have zero respect for the viewer.


Either Bell recognized that Donna/Eric/Quinn wasn't working or he got distracted by his newest shiny thing (the baby swap story) and decided to drop everything else abruptly so he could devote all his attention to it. Charlie should be really ticked that Pam agreed to marry him and then changed her mind with such a dumb excuse. He really should be wondering if maybe Pam just doesn't want to marry him because any reasonable person would be asking if that relationship is really going anywhere.

And don't get me started on the Batie thing. We are supposed to be as dumb as Katie I guess and just forget everything we've seen the last several years - including all of Batie's second marriage which was just a complete disaster.

I think some storylines get dropped because Bell does indeed get distracted by a new shiny object and then that's all there is. This time the shiny object was the baby switch story. Also, admittedly sometimes storylines don't work and it makes sense to change direction but then the writers should actually do a transition or explain the ending in some way. Like have Donna say she's realised she cannot recreate the past and is ready to move on to someone new. But right now the storyline is in a limbo and Bell could just as randomly come back to it when he needs a filler.

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by AnnieO, Monday, March 18, 2019, 6:07AM (4 days ago) @ TeamWivyQueric

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


I understand what he's saying - some fans are regularly expressing that they want all conflict resolved and everybody happy. (Get rid of the villains, put all the couples back together, etc.). That has always perplexed me. What will there be to watch when that happens? I don't want to see the characters sitting around the breakfast table talking about the weather and what errands they are going to run today.

However, I also don't think what B&B does qualifies as "good" storytelling either. Well written soaps can drag out stories for a year or more and still keep the viewers engaged. B&B has much shorter story arcs than other soaps in general and yet they seem 3 times as long. Why is that? Well because they aren't really very good at it. They tell one story at a time for days on end. Not only do we see the main characters involved in the ONE story they are telling every single day, but we have to see other characters standing around doing nothing but talking about what we just saw yesterday, the day before, and last week with those same few characters. It feels like watching the story play out again and again 15 more times after the first time we saw it. This problem could be partially alleviated by being able to have more than one story going at a time. If you have multiple stories in different stages, you don't get so frustrated by a story being stuck in the "middle" stage for too long because theoretically there should be another story in beginning stages and another one that is nearing the end and being close to resolution.

And I believe B&B would see less frustration on part of the viewers if they could learn to stop dropping everything else for weeks and months at a time to drag out just ONE story.


I think your post is on point. I understand B&B is only 19 minutes long but that is NO excuse not to have multiple storylines. You could easily have two big storylines moving forward concurrently with a smaller one as "supporting" to ensure a maximum number of cast members are engaged in some way. You have 5 days a week - you could divide the weeks up where you focus a few days on 1 big story and the next couple of days on the other one and make the switch where it makes most sense. You could then stick the smaller story where you need fillers. In the old days B&B actually managed to pull it off so it's not that it can't be done. It's that the writers are awfully lazy.
I think it also needs to be said that B&B writing is god awful. I mean atrocious. So many nonsensical plot points, repetitive inconsistent dialogue and then dropped stories or sudden changes of direction. And then every once in a while they randomly kill off a character like Aly or Caroline but it is again just a means to support a plot rather than a storyline of its own with lasting repercussions. And then of course the lack of balance in character utilisation. I think there was an article comparing the four soaps and B&B was found to be by fa the most lopsided. That also affects storytelling quality.


Everything about the writing is just bad. You can tell there is no long term story planning because sometimes they accidentally start with the makings of a good story and then Bell decides after a few weeks that he wants to focus elsewhere and suddenly a story that has been previously dragged out is ended very abruptly and usually unsatisfactorily because Bell decided he didn't know what else to do and wasn't interested anymore.

The dialogue writing - awful. Repetitive and unimaginative. The best I can say about it is that they occasionally come up with some good one liners. That's on their best day.

They need to clean house in the writing department and start over. And the new team needs to sit down and draw out a long term plan. Come up with 3 story arcs, lay out the timeline for all three so that they aren't all ending at the same time, figure out the outline for the beginning, middle and end of each story and what else that story is going to segue into when it nears the end. Make a list of all your contract actors (there aren't that many) and make sure they are all tied into one of those three stories in some way.

For people who get paid to do this full time for a living this should not only not be that much to ask but it should be the minimum requirement.

ITA with both of you!

As for the repetitive dialogue - I remember when a B&B columnist pointed out that he would count the number of "I get" in the dialogue, and I have been noticing it ever since. Everyone says it, all the time. I get, I get it, I get you, I get that, I get what...

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Steffyfanatic, Friday, March 15, 2019, 2:40PM (7 days ago) @ TeamWivyQueric

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


I understand what he's saying - some fans are regularly expressing that they want all conflict resolved and everybody happy. (Get rid of the villains, put all the couples back together, etc.). That has always perplexed me. What will there be to watch when that happens? I don't want to see the characters sitting around the breakfast table talking about the weather and what errands they are going to run today.

However, I also don't think what B&B does qualifies as "good" storytelling either. Well written soaps can drag out stories for a year or more and still keep the viewers engaged. B&B has much shorter story arcs than other soaps in general and yet they seem 3 times as long. Why is that? Well because they aren't really very good at it. They tell one story at a time for days on end. Not only do we see the main characters involved in the ONE story they are telling every single day, but we have to see other characters standing around doing nothing but talking about what we just saw yesterday, the day before, and last week with those same few characters. It feels like watching the story play out again and again 15 more times after the first time we saw it. This problem could be partially alleviated by being able to have more than one story going at a time. If you have multiple stories in different stages, you don't get so frustrated by a story being stuck in the "middle" stage for too long because theoretically there should be another story in beginning stages and another one that is nearing the end and being close to resolution.

And I believe B&B would see less frustration on part of the viewers if they could learn to stop dropping everything else for weeks and months at a time to drag out just ONE story.

I agree.

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Bill to Steffy: You're a grand prize. You're a queen. The total package. Brains, beauty, warmth, heart. I've always known that about you. Don't you ever doubt how extraordinary you are.

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by AnnieO, Monday, March 18, 2019, 6:02AM (4 days ago) @ TeamWivyQueric

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


I understand what he's saying - some fans are regularly expressing that they want all conflict resolved and everybody happy. (Get rid of the villains, put all the couples back together, etc.). That has always perplexed me. What will there be to watch when that happens? I don't want to see the characters sitting around the breakfast table talking about the weather and what errands they are going to run today.

However, I also don't think what B&B does qualifies as "good" storytelling either. Well written soaps can drag out stories for a year or more and still keep the viewers engaged. B&B has much shorter story arcs than other soaps in general and yet they seem 3 times as long. Why is that? Well because they aren't really very good at it. They tell one story at a time for days on end. Not only do we see the main characters involved in the ONE story they are telling every single day, but we have to see other characters standing around doing nothing but talking about what we just saw yesterday, the day before, and last week with those same few characters. It feels like watching the story play out again and again 15 more times after the first time we saw it. This problem could be partially alleviated by being able to have more than one story going at a time. If you have multiple stories in different stages, you don't get so frustrated by a story being stuck in the "middle" stage for too long because theoretically there should be another story in beginning stages and another one that is nearing the end and being close to resolution.

And I believe B&B would see less frustration on part of the viewers if they could learn to stop dropping everything else for weeks and months at a time to drag out just ONE story.

So true!

There needs to be conflict, but it has to be told in a compelling way. B&B is really lacking when it comes to good storytelling. Even when Bell comes up with an idea for a good story, it rarely leads anywhere. Like the Beth storyline - the premise is a classic soap plot. But Bell obviously doesn't know how to make the story progress beyond the premise (Steffy is raising the baby, Hope is grieving - now what?). This has been a problem for so many storylines that had potential in the beginning but never really went anywhere.

Agree that multiple storylines is part of the solution. That and some kind of long-term plan for the plot.

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Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Viola, Friday, March 15, 2019, 1:05PM (7 days ago) @ Steffyfanatic

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?

At first it made me feel something... But at this point I am only annoyed by this SL... Well, still a feeling I guess, but I am not interested in it anymore. They are beating a dead horse.

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by theduchess, Friday, March 15, 2019, 2:37PM (7 days ago) @ Viola

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


At first it made me feel something... But at this point I am only annoyed by this SL... Well, still a feeling I guess, but I am not interested in it anymore. They are beating a dead horse.

but if you are still willing to post and discuss the story, even though you are annoyed with it, that still signals an interest

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by JFK, Friday, March 15, 2019, 2:38PM (7 days ago) @ theduchess

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


At first it made me feel something... But at this point I am only annoyed by this SL... Well, still a feeling I guess, but I am not interested in it anymore. They are beating a dead horse.


but if you are still willing to post and discuss the story, even though you are annoyed with it, that still signals an interest

:cool

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Liam to Steffy: "You are more essential to me than my own name. When has it even been over between us?"

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Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Viola, Friday, March 15, 2019, 4:38PM (7 days ago) @ theduchess

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


At first it made me feel something... But at this point I am only annoyed by this SL... Well, still a feeling I guess, but I am not interested in it anymore. They are beating a dead horse.


but if you are still willing to post and discuss the story, even though you are annoyed with it, that still signals an interest

Yeah. I hope the writers read this forum and will understand that it's not interesting anymore. I was bored of the custody battle of Katie and Bill and I wrote about it too and I can tell you with honestly that it wasn't interesting to me.

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Barbybo, Friday, March 15, 2019, 4:45PM (7 days ago) @ Viola

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


At first it made me feel something... But at this point I am only annoyed by this SL... Well, still a feeling I guess, but I am not interested in it anymore. They are beating a dead horse.


but if you are still willing to post and discuss the story, even though you are annoyed with it, that still signals an interest


Yeah. I hope the writers read this forum and will understand that it's not interesting anymore. I was bored of the custody battle of Katie and Bill and I wrote about it too and I can tell you with honestly that it wasn't interesting to me.

The custody battle was stupid dull

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Barbybo, Friday, March 15, 2019, 3:40PM (7 days ago) @ Viola

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


At first it made me feel something... But at this point I am only annoyed by this SL... Well, still a feeling I guess, but I am not interested in it anymore. They are beating a dead horse.

It’s now boreing ..

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Steamfan339 ⌂, Friday, March 15, 2019, 1:09PM (7 days ago) @ Steffyfanatic

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?

I'm not a fan of the "what fans want" concept. Listen to what fans? What does it mean? We are 35 millions daily viewers around the world,watching this soap. Only 0.00001‰ bother to write "what they want" and ultimately, we'll all have a different view on the storylines and the characters. They can't draw drastic conclusions of "what fans want" based on a few hundred of comments or a random poll taken on social medias.

I also think if 99% of the viewrrs agreed on everything and the writers were doing exactly "what we want" all the time, it'd be extremely boring and unsuccessful.

The writers will end this storyline whenever they want to end it. From what I've seen, the ratings have been increasing until the week of the pre-emption. This storyline generates a lot of drama for everyone and for years to come. It it was up to me, I'd give the baby back to Hope and move on immediately, but I can understand why the writers have a different view and want to drag it out.

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Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by mutzi, Friday, March 15, 2019, 1:31PM (7 days ago) @ Steffyfanatic

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?

I disagree with him on a couple of counts:

I don't believe that what B&B really wants viewers to feel is disgust coupled with disinterest in their show. At the conclusion of a story's arc, whether you like or dislike a character, you should feel some sense of completion and resollution. With B&B, it is more often "thank goodness that story line is over, hope next one will be better."

While there may be a great deal of "art and literature" in TV and movies, B&B does not qualify as art or literature. It is pulp for the masses and I don't mean that as a slur. I read many cozy mysteries which are also pulp for the masses, but are not art or literature either.

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Curiosity12, Friday, March 15, 2019, 1:42PM (7 days ago) @ mutzi

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


I disagree with him on a couple of counts:

I don't believe that what B&B really wants viewers to feel is disgust coupled with disinterest in their show. At the conclusion of a story's arc, whether you like or dislike a character, you should feel some sense of completion and resollution. With B&B, it is more often "thank goodness that story line is over, hope next one will be better."

While there may be a great deal of "art and literature" in TV and movies, B&B does not qualify as art or literature. It is pulp for the masses and I don't mean that as a slur. I read many cozy mysteries which are also pulp for the masses, but are not art or literature either.

Haha, regarding "thank goodness that story line is over, hope next one will be better"- so true but usually it is actually followed by something worse. I mean I thought Bill stalking Steffy was god awful but it was then followed by Bill stalking Brooke and little did I know we were about to get the baby switch. :lol if the writers intend to go there with Thomas and Hope as a plot point for Liam to reunite with Steffy then I can safely say the trend continues.

And yes, B&B is neither art nor literature even if it occasionally may contain some forms of art.

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by GARgrad @, Phoenix, AZ, Friday, March 15, 2019, 1:59PM (7 days ago) @ mutzi

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


I disagree with him on a couple of counts:

I don't believe that what B&B really wants viewers to feel is disgust coupled with disinterest in their show. At the conclusion of a story's arc, whether you like or dislike a character, you should feel some sense of completion and resollution. With B&B, it is more often "thank goodness that story line is over, hope next one will be better."

While there may be a great deal of "art and literature" in TV and movies, B&B does not qualify as art or literature. It is pulp for the masses and I don't mean that as a slur. I read many cozy mysteries which are also pulp for the masses, but are not art or literature either.

ITA with you about art and literature vs. a soap opera. I also agree with you about viewers feeling disgusted and disinterested. In fact, in a message I sent a few minutes ago to a Twitter friend, I wrote the following:

...Viewers/the audience have been feeling a mixture of emotions since this storyline began, and now they are feeling TIRED, ANNOYED, PISSED OFF, SICK, and etc. about Steffy keeping Hope's baby. How on earth does letting Steffy keep Hope's baby make for good storytelling, when so many mothers won't even watch this show because they are disgusted by this storyline?

#JMHO

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Barbybo, Friday, March 15, 2019, 3:44PM (7 days ago) @ GARgrad

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


I disagree with him on a couple of counts:

I don't believe that what B&B really wants viewers to feel is disgust coupled with disinterest in their show. At the conclusion of a story's arc, whether you like or dislike a character, you should feel some sense of completion and resollution. With B&B, it is more often "thank goodness that story line is over, hope next one will be better."

While there may be a great deal of "art and literature" in TV and movies, B&B does not qualify as art or literature. It is pulp for the masses and I don't mean that as a slur. I read many cozy mysteries which are also pulp for the masses, but are not art or literature either.


ITA with you about art and literature vs. a soap opera. I also agree with you about viewers feeling disgusted and disinterested. In fact, in a message I sent a few minutes ago to a Twitter friend, I wrote the following:

...Viewers/the audience have been feeling a mixture of emotions since this storyline began, and now they are feeling TIRED, ANNOYED, PISSED OFF, SICK, and etc. about Steffy keeping Hope's baby. How on earth does letting Steffy keep Hope's baby make for good storytelling, when so many mothers won't even watch this show because they are disgusted by this storyline?

#JMHO

It’s a silly soap they aren’t real...I can’t believe so many have hissie fits over it...if you don’t like it why watch til next skit.....I wouldn’t watch something that made me sad....when it stops being entertaining there’s allways other soaps..actually general hospital and y and r are better..this soaps just relative sexing..anyway..it’s on after y and r so it’s a habit but boy rewash after rewash is nit cool...all these sexing a gal passing her to a relative is kinda yucky..it’s not on,y the baby skit..now brooke Ridge taylor gawd old old b.s

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by FataMorgana, Friday, March 15, 2019, 2:21PM (7 days ago) @ mutzi

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


I disagree with him on a couple of counts:

I don't believe that what B&B really wants viewers to feel is disgust coupled with disinterest in their show. At the conclusion of a story's arc, whether you like or dislike a character, you should feel some sense of completion and resollution. With B&B, it is more often "thank goodness that story line is over, hope next one will be better."

While there may be a great deal of "art and literature" in TV and movies, B&B does not qualify as art or literature. It is pulp for the masses and I don't mean that as a slur. I read many cozy mysteries which are also pulp for the masses, but are not art or literature either.

Amen! And well said. Because of the way it's being written, i simply don't care for Hope or her baby anymore. Im more interested in Spencer Fashions finally starting.

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Shingeki no Kyojin - 進撃の巨人 - Attack On Titan

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Barbybo, Friday, March 15, 2019, 3:46PM (7 days ago) @ FataMorgana

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


I disagree with him on a couple of counts:

I don't believe that what B&B really wants viewers to feel is disgust coupled with disinterest in their show. At the conclusion of a story's arc, whether you like or dislike a character, you should feel some sense of completion and resollution. With B&B, it is more often "thank goodness that story line is over, hope next one will be better."

While there may be a great deal of "art and literature" in TV and movies, B&B does not qualify as art or literature. It is pulp for the masses and I don't mean that as a slur. I read many cozy mysteries which are also pulp for the masses, but are not art or literature either.


Amen! And well said. Because of the way it's being written, i simply don't care for Hope or her baby anymore. Im more interested in Spencer Fashions finally starting.

Spencer fashions bring it on, nobody works at Forrester anymore

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by TeamWivyQueric, Friday, March 15, 2019, 2:38PM (7 days ago) @ mutzi

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


I disagree with him on a couple of counts:

I don't believe that what B&B really wants viewers to feel is disgust coupled with disinterest in their show. At the conclusion of a story's arc, whether you like or dislike a character, you should feel some sense of completion and resollution. With B&B, it is more often "thank goodness that story line is over, hope next one will be better."

While there may be a great deal of "art and literature" in TV and movies, B&B does not qualify as art or literature. It is pulp for the masses and I don't mean that as a slur. I read many cozy mysteries which are also pulp for the masses, but are not art or literature either.

I'm sure SC was not taking viewers like myself into account who are only feeling something like "Put the baby back with Hope and get these characters off my screen so I might actually want to watch the show again."

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Curiosity12, Friday, March 15, 2019, 1:31PM (7 days ago) @ Steffyfanatic

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?

Is that why Bell writes Liam as useless waffler with no spine who thinks he is better than everybody? For me to FEEL pure revulsion?
Is that why he writes Steffy as a doormat obsessed over a guy who has never put her first and has only managed to trample her self esteem? For me to FEEL frustration and disgust?
Is that why he writes Hope as insecure and self absorbed equally stuck on a guy who has a divided heart? For me to FEEL annoyance and irritation?
Is that why he writes Katie as a brainless doormat ready to go back for more abuse? For me to FEEL exasperation and apathy?

I could go on but I think I get it now. And yes, it is clearly working for me. I am certainly feeling all sorts of things :whistle

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Lope2.0, Friday, March 15, 2019, 1:46PM (7 days ago) @ Steffyfanatic

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?

He is my favorite actor but don't really see it the same way. Whatever. There would be bo B&B for me without him, so I respect what he says. :kiss

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Kasey38, Friday, March 15, 2019, 1:58PM (7 days ago) @ Lope2.0

Doesn't a good story pull viewers in, not push them away? I would go for the ratings. People know what they want to watch. The baby story is dying out...people are tired of it.

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Curiosity12, Friday, March 15, 2019, 2:10PM (7 days ago) @ Kasey38

Doesn't a good story pull viewers in, not push them away? I would go for the ratings. People know what they want to watch. The baby story is dying out...people are tired of it.

The storyline could have been compelling if well written and developed. But it wasn't. And having Steffy adopt the baby was a plot point that should have never happened. It was absurd to begin with. They should have chosen somebody else.

The other problem is that this storyline isn't going anywhere. It would probably be somewhat more enjoyable if it was actually moving along, somebody growing suspicious, investigating Reese or overhearing something they shouldn't have. In other words, slowly but surely moving towards a conclusion. But the only thing we have is Flo pretending she wants to confess and then changing her mind and I expect this is what we will get in the next couple of weeks and months until JMW returns from maternity leave.

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by theduchess, Friday, March 15, 2019, 2:32PM (7 days ago) @ Steffyfanatic

i agree it's about making viewers feel something, whether it be happiness, sadness or anger, because the vast majority of those viewers (even though they say they won't) will continue watching

feeling something, anything, signals being invested: i might hate a character but will still tune in to see them suffer for example

being indifferent, not caring, that's mostly when people tune out because at that point they no longer give a flying fig

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by mutzi, Friday, March 15, 2019, 3:13PM (7 days ago) @ theduchess

i agree it's about making viewers feel something, whether it be happiness, sadness or anger, because the vast majority of those viewers (even though they say they won't) will continue watching

feeling something, anything, signals being invested: i might hate a character but will still tune in to see them suffer for example

being indifferent, not caring, that's mostly when people tune out because at that point they no longer give a flying fig

I think it is a mistake to assume that because people post here that they are still watching. I have not watched (except a few brief clips) in well over a year. I keep up and post for three reasons:

1. in the hope that stories and writing will improve.
2. in tribute to what the show used to be and I hope will be again.
3. I enjoy posting with people, both those still watching and those like me. The ideas and posters here are awesome.

You can assume I am lying about not watching, but you would be wrong.

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Curiosity12, Friday, March 15, 2019, 3:44PM (7 days ago) @ mutzi

i agree it's about making viewers feel something, whether it be happiness, sadness or anger, because the vast majority of those viewers (even though they say they won't) will continue watching

feeling something, anything, signals being invested: i might hate a character but will still tune in to see them suffer for example

being indifferent, not caring, that's mostly when people tune out because at that point they no longer give a flying fig


I think it is a mistake to assume that because people post here that they are still watching. I have not watched (except a few brief clips) in well over a year. I keep up and post for three reasons:

1. in the hope that stories and writing will improve.
2. in tribute to what the show used to be and I hope will be again.
3. I enjoy posting with people, both those still watching and those like me. The ideas and posters here are awesome.

You can assume I am lying about not watching, but you would be wrong.

Same here. I am mostly not watching. I do tune in occasionally when I want to comment on something that is happening. I feel that I cannot properly do that without having seen the show for myself as certain scenes are often left for interpretation. But when I do tune in I am reminded of how bad the show is.

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Steamfan339 ⌂, Friday, March 15, 2019, 4:26PM (7 days ago) @ mutzi

i agree it's about making viewers feel something, whether it be happiness, sadness or anger, because the vast majority of those viewers (even though they say they won't) will continue watching

feeling something, anything, signals being invested: i might hate a character but will still tune in to see them suffer for example

being indifferent, not caring, that's mostly when people tune out because at that point they no longer give a flying fig


I think it is a mistake to assume that because people post here that they are still watching. I have not watched (except a few brief clips) in well over a year. I keep up and post for three reasons:

1. in the hope that stories and writing will improve.
2. in tribute to what the show used to be and I hope will be again.
3. I enjoy posting with people, both those still watching and those like me. The ideas and posters here are awesome.

You can assume I am lying about not watching, but you would be wrong.

I don't think anyone is accusing you of lying.

You aren't the only poster here who don't watch the show. But based on the recent ratings, I think it would be wrong to assume that everyone hates this storyline and have stopped wacthing. They aren't all great, but there is no massive drop either. IMO, a lot of people WANT to stop watching (much like Flo WANTS to tell Hope) but yet they continnue to watch anyway (much like Flo won't say anything) It doesn't make them liars. Just frustrated viewers who still find the show good enough to invest 150 minutes a week in it. I have hated a bunch of storylines over the years and I wanted to throw away my DVR, but I'm still a loyal viewer and I'm not going anywhere.

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Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by mutzi, Friday, March 15, 2019, 4:45PM (7 days ago) @ Steamfan339

i agree it's about making viewers feel something, whether it be happiness, sadness or anger, because the vast majority of those viewers (even though they say they won't) will continue watching

feeling something, anything, signals being invested: i might hate a character but will still tune in to see them suffer for example

being indifferent, not caring, that's mostly when people tune out because at that point they no longer give a flying fig


I think it is a mistake to assume that because people post here that they are still watching. I have not watched (except a few brief clips) in well over a year. I keep up and post for three reasons:

1. in the hope that stories and writing will improve.
2. in tribute to what the show used to be and I hope will be again.
3. I enjoy posting with people, both those still watching and those like me. The ideas and posters here are awesome.

You can assume I am lying about not watching, but you would be wrong.


I don't think anyone is accusing you of lying.

You aren't the only poster here who don't watch the show. But based on the recent ratings, I think it would be wrong to assume that everyone hates this storyline and have stopped wacthing. They aren't all great, but there is no massive drop either. IMO, a lot of people WANT to stop watching (much like Flo WANTS to tell Hope) but yet they continnue to watch anyway (much like Flo won't say anything) It doesn't make them liars. Just frustrated viewers who still find the show good enough to invest 150 minutes a week in it. I have hated a bunch of storylines over the years and I wanted to throw away my DVR, but I'm still a loyal viewer and I'm not going anywhere.

I respect that you still enjoy the show and some of the stories. I just don't and, at this point, not sure I will ever watch again. But who knows?

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Barbybo, Friday, March 15, 2019, 4:55PM (7 days ago) @ mutzi

i agree it's about making viewers feel something, whether it be happiness, sadness or anger, because the vast majority of those viewers (even though they say they won't) will continue watching

feeling something, anything, signals being invested: i might hate a character but will still tune in to see them suffer for example

being indifferent, not caring, that's mostly when people tune out because at that point they no longer give a flying fig


I think it is a mistake to assume that because people post here that they are still watching. I have not watched (except a few brief clips) in well over a year. I keep up and post for three reasons:

1. in the hope that stories and writing will improve.
2. in tribute to what the show used to be and I hope will be again.
3. I enjoy posting with people, both those still watching and those like me. The ideas and posters here are awesome.

You can assume I am lying about not watching, but you would be wrong.


I don't think anyone is accusing you of lying.

You aren't the only poster here who don't watch the show. But based on the recent ratings, I think it would be wrong to assume that everyone hates this storyline and have stopped wacthing. They aren't all great, but there is no massive drop either. IMO, a lot of people WANT to stop watching (much like Flo WANTS to tell Hope) but yet they continnue to watch anyway (much like Flo won't say anything) It doesn't make them liars. Just frustrated viewers who still find the show good enough to invest 150 minutes a week in it. I have hated a bunch of storylines over the years and I wanted to throw away my DVR, but I'm still a loyal viewer and I'm not going anywhere.


I respect that you still enjoy the show and some of the stories. I just don't and, at this point, not sure I will ever watch again. But who knows?

Don’t stop posting, I enjoy your views your very nice;-)

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by mutzi, Friday, March 15, 2019, 5:05PM (7 days ago) @ Barbybo

i agree it's about making viewers feel something, whether it be happiness, sadness or anger, because the vast majority of those viewers (even though they say they won't) will continue watching

feeling something, anything, signals being invested: i might hate a character but will still tune in to see them suffer for example

being indifferent, not caring, that's mostly when people tune out because at that point they no longer give a flying fig


I think it is a mistake to assume that because people post here that they are still watching. I have not watched (except a few brief clips) in well over a year. I keep up and post for three reasons:

1. in the hope that stories and writing will improve.
2. in tribute to what the show used to be and I hope will be again.
3. I enjoy posting with people, both those still watching and those like me. The ideas and posters here are awesome.

You can assume I am lying about not watching, but you would be wrong.


I don't think anyone is accusing you of lying.

You aren't the only poster here who don't watch the show. But based on the recent ratings, I think it would be wrong to assume that everyone hates this storyline and have stopped wacthing. They aren't all great, but there is no massive drop either. IMO, a lot of people WANT to stop watching (much like Flo WANTS to tell Hope) but yet they continnue to watch anyway (much like Flo won't say anything) It doesn't make them liars. Just frustrated viewers who still find the show good enough to invest 150 minutes a week in it. I have hated a bunch of storylines over the years and I wanted to throw away my DVR, but I'm still a loyal viewer and I'm not going anywhere.


I respect that you still enjoy the show and some of the stories. I just don't and, at this point, not sure I will ever watch again. But who knows?


Don’t stop posting, I enjoy your views your very nice;-)

Thank you; I enjoy your posts, too, even if we disagree. :-D I won't stop posting; how else can I complain? :rofl

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Barbybo, Friday, March 15, 2019, 6:05PM (6 days ago) @ mutzi

i agree it's about making viewers feel something, whether it be happiness, sadness or anger, because the vast majority of those viewers (even though they say they won't) will continue watching

feeling something, anything, signals being invested: i might hate a character but will still tune in to see them suffer for example

being indifferent, not caring, that's mostly when people tune out because at that point they no longer give a flying fig


I think it is a mistake to assume that because people post here that they are still watching. I have not watched (except a few brief clips) in well over a year. I keep up and post for three reasons:

1. in the hope that stories and writing will improve.
2. in tribute to what the show used to be and I hope will be again.
3. I enjoy posting with people, both those still watching and those like me. The ideas and posters here are awesome.

You can assume I am lying about not watching, but you would be wrong.


I don't think anyone is accusing you of lying.

You aren't the only poster here who don't watch the show. But based on the recent ratings, I think it would be wrong to assume that everyone hates this storyline and have stopped wacthing. They aren't all great, but there is no massive drop either. IMO, a lot of people WANT to stop watching (much like Flo WANTS to tell Hope) but yet they continnue to watch anyway (much like Flo won't say anything) It doesn't make them liars. Just frustrated viewers who still find the show good enough to invest 150 minutes a week in it. I have hated a bunch of storylines over the years and I wanted to throw away my DVR, but I'm still a loyal viewer and I'm not going anywhere.


I respect that you still enjoy the show and some of the stories. I just don't and, at this point, not sure I will ever watch again. But who knows?


Don’t stop posting, I enjoy your views your very nice;-)


Thank you; I enjoy your posts, too, even if we disagree. :-D I won't stop posting; how else can I complain? :rofl

Agree disagree who cares it’s fun....enjoy the board don’t leave

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Barbybo, Friday, March 15, 2019, 4:49PM (7 days ago) @ Steamfan339
edited by Barbybo, Friday, March 15, 2019, 4:54PM

i agree it's about making viewers feel something, whether it be happiness, sadness or anger, because the vast majority of those viewers (even though they say they won't) will continue watching

feeling something, anything, signals being invested: i might hate a character but will still tune in to see them suffer for example

being indifferent, not caring, that's mostly when people tune out because at that point they no longer give a flying fig


I think it is a mistake to assume that because people post here that they are still watching. I have not watched (except a few brief clips) in well over a year. I keep up and post for three reasons:

1. in the hope that stories and writing will improve.
2. in tribute to what the show used to be and I hope will be again.
3. I enjoy posting with people, both those still watching and those like me. The ideas and posters here are awesome.

You can assume I am lying about not watching, but you would be wrong.


I don't think anyone is accusing you of lying.

You aren't the only poster here who don't watch the show. But based on the recent ratings, I think it would be wrong to assume that everyone hates this storyline and have stopped wacthing. They aren't all great, but there is no massive drop either. IMO, a lot of people WANT to stop watching (much like Flo WANTS to tell Hope) but yet they continnue to watch anyway (much like Flo won't say anything) It doesn't make them liars. Just frustrated viewers who still find the show good enough to invest 150 minutes a week in it. I have hated a bunch of storylines over the years and I wanted to throw away my DVR, but I'm still a loyal viewer and I'm not going anywhere.

I can see lack of interest in the show all the flipping and sexing family members stinks....I can see reading the board chatting with posters..cause the boards fun, it passes time and is kinda humorous at times.....I can see not watching but still coming here to read what’s going on .....I mean it’s repeditive fir days on end on t.v so here you can catch up...and if something interesting happens you can tune in...years ago people ran home to watch my guess no ones running anymore ..I do think some take it to heart and get very caught up, I just can’t do that..the story are beyond believable babymoon was so off the rails and kate bed hopping is out of control..and Brookecand Taylor been on forever still throwing cakes thank goodness for fast forward ..I love the board the moderater knocked out poster bashers and we have a great group everyone’s nice

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Barbybo, Friday, March 15, 2019, 3:35PM (7 days ago) @ Steffyfanatic

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?

Of course milking it , beth could be a adult before reveal...liam knows if he’s hapoy married he’s a dud bore

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by sensgirl, Ottawa, Canada, Friday, March 15, 2019, 3:50PM (7 days ago) @ Steffyfanatic

I agree with him. We don't watch soaps to watch them sit around and sing kumbayah.

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Team Steam!

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by HopeNationROCKS @, California, Friday, March 15, 2019, 4:18PM (7 days ago) @ Steffyfanatic

I agree with him until a certain point. If the story drags for so long, the viewers get tired and they are not interested anymore. Especially if the story is full of fake reveals. Viewers stop to tune in if they suspect that who knows won't speak for the umpteenth time

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Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, Friday, March 15, 2019, 4:25PM (7 days ago) @ Steffyfanatic

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?

I see his point, but really...art/literature?
This is a schmoozy soap opera - and not one of the better ones!:lol

I'm not afraid to "feel something", but we are beaten over the head with this baby plot, with nothing to temper it - ie other storylines.

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Still Hoping for the Future...


Team Putz...nah, just kidding!

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by mutzi, Friday, March 15, 2019, 4:46PM (7 days ago) @ MsBold

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


I see his point, but really...art/literature?
This is a schmoozy soap opera - and not one of the better ones!:lol

I'm not afraid to "feel something", but we are beaten over the head with this baby plot, with nothing to temper it - ie other storylines.

:cool I agree with everything you said. And, in my opinion, calling this art/literature is just silly. I am sorry, but this is not good storytelling either; we can have angst and heartache without the same insipid dialogue day after day and we do not need to be beat over the head with banal comments to make a point we already perceived.

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Barbybo, Friday, March 15, 2019, 4:57PM (7 days ago) @ MsBold

A fan asked why the writers don’t listen to fans and put Beth back with Hope.

Scott replied

The writers know what you want. But sometimes what fans want doesn’t make for good storytelling.

Art and literature isn’t about making your favorite characters happy; it’s about making you, the audience, *feel* something.

And in this case, it’s clearly working!


Do you agree or disagree?


I see his point, but really...art/literature?
This is a schmoozy soap opera - and not one of the better ones!:lol

I'm not afraid to "feel something", but we are beaten over the head with this baby plot, with nothing to temper it - ie other storylines.

Babymoon skits now a dead horse give the baby back ...I can’t watch Hope one more day with the mug on....enjoy the weekend..maybe Tiom will knock .hope up now that could be interesting..no more wings or halo she could be less boreing then..no hope for Liam a nerdy allways nerdy character

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by MegsMom, Friday, March 15, 2019, 4:39PM (7 days ago) @ Steffyfanatic

Oh this storyline is definitely making fans feel something. Let's see. Anger, disgust annoyance. They've made some fans feel so much, they're no longer watching the show and are no longer fans. The longer this asinine story continues, the longer it is that I don't watch, the less I miss watching it. Yep, that's a great way to make fans feel. :oops :drunk :oops

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Barbybo, Friday, March 15, 2019, 4:44PM (7 days ago) @ MegsMom

Oh this storyline is definitely making fans feel something. Let's see. Anger, disgust annoyance. They've made some fans feel so much, they're no longer watching the show and are no longer fans. The longer this asinine story continues, the longer it is that I don't watch, the less I miss watching it. Yep, that's a great way to make fans feel. :oops :drunk :oops

You can fast forward Hopes depression..

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Lucky13, Friday, March 15, 2019, 7:39PM (6 days ago) @ MegsMom

Oh this storyline is definitely making fans feel something. Let's see. Anger, disgust annoyance. They've made some fans feel so much, they're no longer watching the show and are no longer fans. The longer this asinine story continues, the longer it is that I don't watch, the less I miss watching it. Yep, that's a great way to make fans feel. :oops :drunk :oops

Totally agree!

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Barbybo, Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:23PM (6 days ago) @ Lucky13

Oh this storyline is definitely making fans feel something. Let's see. Anger, disgust annoyance. They've made some fans feel so much, they're no longer watching the show and are no longer fans. The longer this asinine story continues, the longer it is that I don't watch, the less I miss watching it. Yep, that's a great way to make fans feel. :oops :drunk :oops


Totally agree!

Wait you didn’t get to Hope getting knocked up by Tom then you will really be disgusted.....I think the baby reveal won’t be for years , it’s already annoying with flo and Zoe in mix .these two should go to Vegas and hop the first plane....can’t stand neither one

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by RoseDeWBu, Friday, March 15, 2019, 7:23PM (6 days ago) @ Steffyfanatic

If the writers' wanted me to feel OUTRAGE and FED UP with the show, then congratulations, writing staff. Mission accomplished.

Scott Clifton’s reply to a frustrated fan

by Barbybo, Friday, March 15, 2019, 11:25PM (6 days ago) @ RoseDeWBu

If the writers' wanted me to feel OUTRAGE and FED UP with the show, then congratulations, writing staff. Mission accomplished.

I could never have outrage over a nineteen minute soap opera that’s not real....to me it’s getting boreing.....I ff a lot

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