If Brad Bell was asked... (General Discussion)

by Drangonfly, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 4:42PM (11 days ago)

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by mutzi, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 4:45PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

I honestly don't think they give character development much thought for any of the B&B characters. Every character is written to fit the current plot and if that makes them behave inconsistently, too bad.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:23PM (11 days ago) @ mutzi

I honestly don't think they give character development much thought for any of the B&B characters. Every character is written to fit the current plot and if that makes them behave inconsistently, too bad.

I agree with this, to a point. Sometimes they make a character do loopity loops with their actions, changing the character 180 degrees to serve a plot point. Caroline is a good example of this. But I think for the most part we have our heroes and villains, protagonists, antagonists, and vixens. And of course some characters' personalities will change over time.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Barbybo, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:25PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

I honestly don't think they give character development much thought for any of the B&B characters. Every character is written to fit the current plot and if that makes them behave inconsistently, too bad.


I agree with this, to a point. Sometimes they make a character do loopity loops with their actions, changing the character 180 degrees to serve a plot point. Caroline is a good example of this. But I think for the most part we have our heroes and villains, protagonists, antagonists, and vixens. And of course some characters' personalities will change over time.

Lobotomies at noon or brain transplants ...

If Brad Bell was asked...

by LRDbold&beautiful, Monday, February 11, 2019, 9:33AM (10 days ago) @ mutzi

AGREE! The inconsistency in character development/writing is plot driven. Caroline is a PERFECT example. Excellent post.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Barbybo, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 4:45PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly
edited by Barbybo, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 4:48PM

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.

Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad

If Brad Bell was asked...

by mutzi, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 4:47PM (11 days ago) @ Barbybo

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopesca gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...

:lol But I honestly don't think that is how Bell sees her. I don't think he gives much thought to character development. (See my post above.)

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Barbybo, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 4:50PM (11 days ago) @ mutzi

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopesca gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...


:lol But I honestly don't think that is how Bell sees her. I don't think he gives much thought to character development. (See my post above.)

There is no development ..gawd she lives with mommy and whines daily

If Brad Bell was asked...

by hopeyougogirl, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 4:57PM (11 days ago) @ Barbybo

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopesca gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...


:lol But I honestly don't think that is how Bell sees her. I don't think he gives much thought to character development. (See my post above.)


There is no development ..gawd she lives with mommy and whines daily

That sounds exactly like Steffy to me! :rofl Aren't Taylor/Steffy living under the same roof?!

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Barbybo, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 4:58PM (11 days ago) @ hopeyougogirl

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopesca gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...


:lol But I honestly don't think that is how Bell sees her. I don't think he gives much thought to character development. (See my post above.)


There is no development ..gawd she lives with mommy and whines daily


That sounds exactly like Steffy to me! :rofl Aren't Taylor/Steffy living under the same roof?!

Steffy owns that roof ...Liam mooches off his mother in law

If Brad Bell was asked...

by hopeyougogirl, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:01PM (11 days ago) @ Barbybo

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopesca gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...


:lol But I honestly don't think that is how Bell sees her. I don't think he gives much thought to character development. (See my post above.)


There is no development ..gawd she lives with mommy and whines daily


That sounds exactly like Steffy to me! :rofl Aren't Taylor/Steffy living under the same roof?!


Steffy owns that roof ...Liam mooches off his mother in law

So? She needs her mommy's help..especially now she's got two babies. :rules

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Brenda3, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 6:04PM (11 days ago) @ mutzi

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopesca gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...


:lol But I honestly don't think that is how Bell sees her. I don't think he gives much thought to character development. (See my post above.)

I don't know, he keep writing her reminding everyone constantly of how good she is while she judges others.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:26PM (11 days ago) @ Barbybo

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad

Barb! This is exactly what I was NOT looking for. :rules :na

Do you think Hope is WRITTEN as being heartless? Or do you think she just came off that way to viewers who didn't care for her to begin with?

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Barbybo, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:41PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Barb! This is exactly what I was NOT looking for. :rules :na

Do you think Hope is WRITTEN as being heartless? Or do you think she just came off that way to viewers who didn't care for her to begin with?

I only liked her with Wyatt in the tent....I think she’s written as a sad sack whiner

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:57PM (11 days ago) @ Barbybo

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Barb! This is exactly what I was NOT looking for. :rules :na

Do you think Hope is WRITTEN as being heartless? Or do you think she just came off that way to viewers who didn't care for her to begin with?

I only liked her with Wyatt in the tent....I think she’s written as a sad sack whiner

Do you think she's written as heartless?

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Barbybo, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 8:10PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Barb! This is exactly what I was NOT looking for. :rules :na

Do you think Hope is WRITTEN as being heartless? Or do you think she just came off that way to viewers who didn't care for her to begin with?

I only liked her with Wyatt in the tent....I think she’s written as a sad sack whiner


Do you think she's written as heartless?

I guess if you go after a married guy with a infant you could call herbthat

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If Brad Bell was asked...

by Viola, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 8:12PM (11 days ago) @ Barbybo

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Barb! This is exactly what I was NOT looking for. :rules :na

Do you think Hope is WRITTEN as being heartless? Or do you think she just came off that way to viewers who didn't care for her to begin with?

I only liked her with Wyatt in the tent....I think she’s written as a sad sack whiner


Do you think she's written as heartless?


I guess if you go after a married guy with a infant you could call herbthat

An infant doesn't erase what Steffy did. People usually don't stay together for the sake of a baby after something like Steffy did. It's not healthy or beautiful and it's better to end the relationship when the kid is little instead of tearing the childs life afterwards because the thing will Bill... Will never leave "steam" alone.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by ShortandSassy, Home of the Carolina Panthers :), Monday, February 11, 2019, 12:50AM (11 days ago) @ Barbybo

So you liked her when she was more like Steffy? To me she is like the younger Taylor which is why I'm a fan. Steffy is the younger Brooke who I couldn't stand ( that is why I can call Brooke TSFTV and not blink). There is good in both girls, I just think Hope is more calm and doesn't have to use sex to get her men. Not that she don't like sex after she has her man like every other woman lol. She doesn't set out to hurt anyone either unlike Steffy but she will fight for justice once she finds out a wrong has been done as she should.

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Liam to Hope: I was born to love you!!!

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Barbybo, Monday, February 11, 2019, 3:01AM (11 days ago) @ ShortandSassy

So you liked her when she was more like Steffy? To me she is like the younger Taylor which is why I'm a fan. Steffy is the younger Brooke who I couldn't stand ( that is why I can call Brooke TSFTV and not blink). There is good in both girls, I just think Hope is more calm and doesn't have to use sex to get her men. Not that she don't like sex after she has her man like every other woman lol. She doesn't set out to hurt anyone either unlike Steffy but she will fight for justice once she finds out a wrong has been done as she should.

Hopes boreing...blah don’t make a good soap...

If Brad Bell was asked...

by ShortandSassy, Home of the Carolina Panthers :), Monday, February 11, 2019, 5:59PM (10 days ago) @ Barbybo

Agree to disagree, I enjoy her lol. I'm not all about using your body to get the guy.

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Liam to Hope: I was born to love you!!!

If Brad Bell was asked...

by IW, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 7:07PM (11 days ago) @ Barbybo

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad

Steffy is a gal who used both of her babies to hold onto a man who loved someone else more. Steffy is a gal who tried to convince a married man to leave his wife because she couldn't have children. Steffy is a gal who didn't know if she was knocked up by her husband or her husband's father. Steffy is a gal who begged 2 different men to have sex with her, while the girlfriend they were dating was still a virgin. Steffy is a gal who begged multiple married men to dump their wife for her. Steffy is a gal who begged a married man to have sex with her, while his wife was fighting for her life on a hospital bed. Steffy is a gal who blackmailed a man into leaving his girlfriend for him, against her shares. Steffy is a gal who told her brother to date rape a virgin, so she could hold onto her unhappy husband. Steffy is a gal who dumped her very loyal husband, because he wouldn't commit a crime for her. Steffy is a gal who hid a cellphone and locked a woman in a telecabin, so her ex-fiancee could marry her on the rebound instead. It was bad. I think Hope wins.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 7:15PM (11 days ago) @ IW

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Steffy is a gal who used both of her babies to hold onto a man who loved someone else more. Steffy is a gal who tried to convince a married man to leave his wife because she couldn't have children. Steffy is a gal who didn't know if she was knocked up by her husband or her husband's father. Steffy is a gal who begged 2 different men to have sex with her, while the girlfriend they were dating was still a virgin. Steffy is a gal who begged multiple married men to dump their wife for her. Steffy is a gal who begged a married man to have sex with her, while his wife was fighting for her life on a hospital bed. Steffy is a gal who blackmailed a man into leaving his girlfriend for him, against her shares. Steffy is a gal who told her brother to date rape a virgin, so she could hold onto her unhappy husband. Steffy is a gal who dumped her very loyal husband, because he wouldn't commit a crime for her. Steffy is a gal who hid a cellphone and locked a woman in a telecabin, so her ex-fiancee could marry her on the rebound instead. It was bad. I think Hope wins.

But Hope is the bad one. :drunk

If Brad Bell was asked...

by IW, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 7:45PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Steffy is a gal who used both of her babies to hold onto a man who loved someone else more. Steffy is a gal who tried to convince a married man to leave his wife because she couldn't have children. Steffy is a gal who didn't know if she was knocked up by her husband or her husband's father. Steffy is a gal who begged 2 different men to have sex with her, while the girlfriend they were dating was still a virgin. Steffy is a gal who begged multiple married men to dump their wife for her. Steffy is a gal who begged a married man to have sex with her, while his wife was fighting for her life on a hospital bed. Steffy is a gal who blackmailed a man into leaving his girlfriend for him, against her shares. Steffy is a gal who told her brother to date rape a virgin, so she could hold onto her unhappy husband. Steffy is a gal who dumped her very loyal husband, because he wouldn't commit a crime for her. Steffy is a gal who hid a cellphone and locked a woman in a telecabin, so her ex-fiancee could marry her on the rebound instead. It was bad. I think Hope wins.


But Hope is the bad one. :drunk

It seems like the 2 only arguments thrown around here are that she slept with a married Liam and went after him after Steffy lost her baby, and that's enough to label her as the most heartless and selfish woman on the show. I don't excuse these 2 cases, but in the first one, Liam was very much separared and broken up with his adultress wife, and having sex was HIS idea. Very different from Steffy, who schemed, lied and begged MULTIPLE married men for sex. In the second case, some are clearly leaving out the context of Steffy's marriage. She had interfered in Hope and Liam's relationship for years, and had used her pregnancy to keep him. That doesn't excuse Hope for making a play for Liam, but it still makes a big difference. If that's all they have to hold against Hope, I rhink I can write a book to criticize each other regular woman on the show.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 8:00PM (11 days ago) @ IW

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Steffy is a gal who used both of her babies to hold onto a man who loved someone else more. Steffy is a gal who tried to convince a married man to leave his wife because she couldn't have children. Steffy is a gal who didn't know if she was knocked up by her husband or her husband's father. Steffy is a gal who begged 2 different men to have sex with her, while the girlfriend they were dating was still a virgin. Steffy is a gal who begged multiple married men to dump their wife for her. Steffy is a gal who begged a married man to have sex with her, while his wife was fighting for her life on a hospital bed. Steffy is a gal who blackmailed a man into leaving his girlfriend for him, against her shares. Steffy is a gal who told her brother to date rape a virgin, so she could hold onto her unhappy husband. Steffy is a gal who dumped her very loyal husband, because he wouldn't commit a crime for her. Steffy is a gal who hid a cellphone and locked a woman in a telecabin, so her ex-fiancee could marry her on the rebound instead. It was bad. I think Hope wins.


But Hope is the bad one. :drunk


It seems like the 2 only arguments thrown around here are that she slept with a married Liam and went after him after Steffy lost her baby, and that's enough to label her as the most heartless and selfish woman on the show. I don't excuse these 2 cases, but in the first one, Liam was very much separared and broken up with his adultress wife, and having sex was HIS idea. Very different from Steffy, who schemed, lied and begged MULTIPLE married men for sex. In the second case, some are clearly leaving out the context of Steffy's marriage. She had interfered in Hope and Liam's relationship for years, and had used her pregnancy to keep him. That doesn't excuse Hope for making a play for Liam, but it still makes a big difference. If that's all they have to hold against Hope, I rhink I can write a book to criticize each other regular woman on the show.

I find the idea that Hope should have even one shred of respect for Steffy's marriages mind boggling. Hope and Liam were clearly the couple when Steffy started scheming, lying, manipulating, and using her body to get him.

If Hope was wrong for wanting him back and letting him know that.. oh well, that is, like you said, nothing compared to what some other characters on this show have done. Including...or rather, especially Steffy.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by hopeyougogirl, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 8:14PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Steffy is a gal who used both of her babies to hold onto a man who loved someone else more. Steffy is a gal who tried to convince a married man to leave his wife because she couldn't have children. Steffy is a gal who didn't know if she was knocked up by her husband or her husband's father. Steffy is a gal who begged 2 different men to have sex with her, while the girlfriend they were dating was still a virgin. Steffy is a gal who begged multiple married men to dump their wife for her. Steffy is a gal who begged a married man to have sex with her, while his wife was fighting for her life on a hospital bed. Steffy is a gal who blackmailed a man into leaving his girlfriend for him, against her shares. Steffy is a gal who told her brother to date rape a virgin, so she could hold onto her unhappy husband. Steffy is a gal who dumped her very loyal husband, because he wouldn't commit a crime for her. Steffy is a gal who hid a cellphone and locked a woman in a telecabin, so her ex-fiancee could marry her on the rebound instead. It was bad. I think Hope wins.


But Hope is the bad one. :drunk


It seems like the 2 only arguments thrown around here are that she slept with a married Liam and went after him after Steffy lost her baby, and that's enough to label her as the most heartless and selfish woman on the show. I don't excuse these 2 cases, but in the first one, Liam was very much separared and broken up with his adultress wife, and having sex was HIS idea. Very different from Steffy, who schemed, lied and begged MULTIPLE married men for sex. In the second case, some are clearly leaving out the context of Steffy's marriage. She had interfered in Hope and Liam's relationship for years, and had used her pregnancy to keep him. That doesn't excuse Hope for making a play for Liam, but it still makes a big difference. If that's all they have to hold against Hope, I rhink I can write a book to criticize each other regular woman on the show.


I find the idea that Hope should have even one shred of respect for Steffy's marriages mind boggling. Hope and Liam were clearly the couple when Steffy started scheming, lying, manipulating, and using her body to get him.

If Hope was wrong for wanting him back and letting him know that.. oh well, that is, like you said, nothing compared to what some other characters on this show have done. Including...or rather, especially Steffy.

Yes, it’s indeed mind boggling to think that Hope should respect Steffy’s marriage..I just don’t get how Steffy can expect that from Hope when Steffy herself did NOT respect it. Hilarious.

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If Brad Bell was asked...

by Viola, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 8:17PM (11 days ago) @ hopeyougogirl

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Steffy is a gal who used both of her babies to hold onto a man who loved someone else more. Steffy is a gal who tried to convince a married man to leave his wife because she couldn't have children. Steffy is a gal who didn't know if she was knocked up by her husband or her husband's father. Steffy is a gal who begged 2 different men to have sex with her, while the girlfriend they were dating was still a virgin. Steffy is a gal who begged multiple married men to dump their wife for her. Steffy is a gal who begged a married man to have sex with her, while his wife was fighting for her life on a hospital bed. Steffy is a gal who blackmailed a man into leaving his girlfriend for him, against her shares. Steffy is a gal who told her brother to date rape a virgin, so she could hold onto her unhappy husband. Steffy is a gal who dumped her very loyal husband, because he wouldn't commit a crime for her. Steffy is a gal who hid a cellphone and locked a woman in a telecabin, so her ex-fiancee could marry her on the rebound instead. It was bad. I think Hope wins.


But Hope is the bad one. :drunk


It seems like the 2 only arguments thrown around here are that she slept with a married Liam and went after him after Steffy lost her baby, and that's enough to label her as the most heartless and selfish woman on the show. I don't excuse these 2 cases, but in the first one, Liam was very much separared and broken up with his adultress wife, and having sex was HIS idea. Very different from Steffy, who schemed, lied and begged MULTIPLE married men for sex. In the second case, some are clearly leaving out the context of Steffy's marriage. She had interfered in Hope and Liam's relationship for years, and had used her pregnancy to keep him. That doesn't excuse Hope for making a play for Liam, but it still makes a big difference. If that's all they have to hold against Hope, I rhink I can write a book to criticize each other regular woman on the show.


I find the idea that Hope should have even one shred of respect for Steffy's marriages mind boggling. Hope and Liam were clearly the couple when Steffy started scheming, lying, manipulating, and using her body to get him.

If Hope was wrong for wanting him back and letting him know that.. oh well, that is, like you said, nothing compared to what some other characters on this show have done. Including...or rather, especially Steffy.


Yes, it’s indeed mind boggling to think that Hope should respect Steffy’s marriage..I just don’t get how Steffy can expect that from Hope when Steffy herself did NOT respect it. Hilarious.

When Steffy killed her unborn baby Liam was supposed to stay with Steffy even if he married her because of the pregnancy because Steffy was sad...
Steffy has sex with Liam's only living parent and Liam is supposed to stay with Steffy for Kelly's sake like he can't be a father unless he lives with Steffy...
Whoever tells Liam to do what he really wants and feels is heartless because apparently Steffy lives on different terms and must be treated like a princess. To hell with other people's feelings and needs...

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 8:41PM (11 days ago) @ Viola

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Steffy is a gal who used both of her babies to hold onto a man who loved someone else more. Steffy is a gal who tried to convince a married man to leave his wife because she couldn't have children. Steffy is a gal who didn't know if she was knocked up by her husband or her husband's father. Steffy is a gal who begged 2 different men to have sex with her, while the girlfriend they were dating was still a virgin. Steffy is a gal who begged multiple married men to dump their wife for her. Steffy is a gal who begged a married man to have sex with her, while his wife was fighting for her life on a hospital bed. Steffy is a gal who blackmailed a man into leaving his girlfriend for him, against her shares. Steffy is a gal who told her brother to date rape a virgin, so she could hold onto her unhappy husband. Steffy is a gal who dumped her very loyal husband, because he wouldn't commit a crime for her. Steffy is a gal who hid a cellphone and locked a woman in a telecabin, so her ex-fiancee could marry her on the rebound instead. It was bad. I think Hope wins.


But Hope is the bad one. :drunk


It seems like the 2 only arguments thrown around here are that she slept with a married Liam and went after him after Steffy lost her baby, and that's enough to label her as the most heartless and selfish woman on the show. I don't excuse these 2 cases, but in the first one, Liam was very much separared and broken up with his adultress wife, and having sex was HIS idea. Very different from Steffy, who schemed, lied and begged MULTIPLE married men for sex. In the second case, some are clearly leaving out the context of Steffy's marriage. She had interfered in Hope and Liam's relationship for years, and had used her pregnancy to keep him. That doesn't excuse Hope for making a play for Liam, but it still makes a big difference. If that's all they have to hold against Hope, I rhink I can write a book to criticize each other regular woman on the show.


I find the idea that Hope should have even one shred of respect for Steffy's marriages mind boggling. Hope and Liam were clearly the couple when Steffy started scheming, lying, manipulating, and using her body to get him.

If Hope was wrong for wanting him back and letting him know that.. oh well, that is, like you said, nothing compared to what some other characters on this show have done. Including...or rather, especially Steffy.


Yes, it’s indeed mind boggling to think that Hope should respect Steffy’s marriage..I just don’t get how Steffy can expect that from Hope when Steffy herself did NOT respect it. Hilarious.


When Steffy killed her unborn baby Liam was supposed to stay with Steffy even if he married her because of the pregnancy because Steffy was sad...
Steffy has sex with Liam's only living parent and Liam is supposed to stay with Steffy for Kelly's sake like he can't be a father unless he lives with Steffy...
Whoever tells Liam to do what he really wants and feels is heartless because apparently Steffy lives on different terms and must be treated like a princess. To hell with other people's feelings and needs...

Exactly. And I remember that Hope was the only one that even asked Liam how he was doing after the baby died. Everyone, especially Bill, was telling him to suck it up so Steffy wouldn't feel bad. Liam was grateful for that.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by hopeyougogirl, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 11:33PM (11 days ago) @ Viola

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Steffy is a gal who used both of her babies to hold onto a man who loved someone else more. Steffy is a gal who tried to convince a married man to leave his wife because she couldn't have children. Steffy is a gal who didn't know if she was knocked up by her husband or her husband's father. Steffy is a gal who begged 2 different men to have sex with her, while the girlfriend they were dating was still a virgin. Steffy is a gal who begged multiple married men to dump their wife for her. Steffy is a gal who begged a married man to have sex with her, while his wife was fighting for her life on a hospital bed. Steffy is a gal who blackmailed a man into leaving his girlfriend for him, against her shares. Steffy is a gal who told her brother to date rape a virgin, so she could hold onto her unhappy husband. Steffy is a gal who dumped her very loyal husband, because he wouldn't commit a crime for her. Steffy is a gal who hid a cellphone and locked a woman in a telecabin, so her ex-fiancee could marry her on the rebound instead. It was bad. I think Hope wins.


But Hope is the bad one. :drunk


It seems like the 2 only arguments thrown around here are that she slept with a married Liam and went after him after Steffy lost her baby, and that's enough to label her as the most heartless and selfish woman on the show. I don't excuse these 2 cases, but in the first one, Liam was very much separared and broken up with his adultress wife, and having sex was HIS idea. Very different from Steffy, who schemed, lied and begged MULTIPLE married men for sex. In the second case, some are clearly leaving out the context of Steffy's marriage. She had interfered in Hope and Liam's relationship for years, and had used her pregnancy to keep him. That doesn't excuse Hope for making a play for Liam, but it still makes a big difference. If that's all they have to hold against Hope, I rhink I can write a book to criticize each other regular woman on the show.


I find the idea that Hope should have even one shred of respect for Steffy's marriages mind boggling. Hope and Liam were clearly the couple when Steffy started scheming, lying, manipulating, and using her body to get him.

If Hope was wrong for wanting him back and letting him know that.. oh well, that is, like you said, nothing compared to what some other characters on this show have done. Including...or rather, especially Steffy.


Yes, it’s indeed mind boggling to think that Hope should respect Steffy’s marriage..I just don’t get how Steffy can expect that from Hope when Steffy herself did NOT respect it. Hilarious.


When Steffy killed her unborn baby Liam was supposed to stay with Steffy even if he married her because of the pregnancy because Steffy was sad...
Steffy has sex with Liam's only living parent and Liam is supposed to stay with Steffy for Kelly's sake like he can't be a father unless he lives with Steffy...
Whoever tells Liam to do what he really wants and feels is heartless because apparently Steffy lives on different terms and must be treated like a princess. To hell with other people's feelings and needs...

IKR? Apparently, the world revolves around bully Steffy..and Hope and Liam must cater to her needs and wants above their own desire and love. :roll

If Brad Bell was asked...

by EmaU, Monday, February 11, 2019, 10:28AM (10 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Steffy is a gal who used both of her babies to hold onto a man who loved someone else more. Steffy is a gal who tried to convince a married man to leave his wife because she couldn't have children. Steffy is a gal who didn't know if she was knocked up by her husband or her husband's father. Steffy is a gal who begged 2 different men to have sex with her, while the girlfriend they were dating was still a virgin. Steffy is a gal who begged multiple married men to dump their wife for her. Steffy is a gal who begged a married man to have sex with her, while his wife was fighting for her life on a hospital bed. Steffy is a gal who blackmailed a man into leaving his girlfriend for him, against her shares. Steffy is a gal who told her brother to date rape a virgin, so she could hold onto her unhappy husband. Steffy is a gal who dumped her very loyal husband, because he wouldn't commit a crime for her. Steffy is a gal who hid a cellphone and locked a woman in a telecabin, so her ex-fiancee could marry her on the rebound instead. It was bad. I think Hope wins.


But Hope is the bad one. :drunk


It seems like the 2 only arguments thrown around here are that she slept with a married Liam and went after him after Steffy lost her baby, and that's enough to label her as the most heartless and selfish woman on the show. I don't excuse these 2 cases, but in the first one, Liam was very much separared and broken up with his adultress wife, and having sex was HIS idea. Very different from Steffy, who schemed, lied and begged MULTIPLE married men for sex. In the second case, some are clearly leaving out the context of Steffy's marriage. She had interfered in Hope and Liam's relationship for years, and had used her pregnancy to keep him. That doesn't excuse Hope for making a play for Liam, but it still makes a big difference. If that's all they have to hold against Hope, I rhink I can write a book to criticize each other regular woman on the show.


I find the idea that Hope should have even one shred of respect for Steffy's marriages mind boggling. Hope and Liam were clearly the couple when Steffy started scheming, lying, manipulating, and using her body to get him.

ALL this happened more than 10 years ago ...

If Hope was wrong for wanting him back and letting him know that..

Hope thought about getting Liam back while Steffy was STILL in the hospital ... Steam had lost a child but they were still MARRIED ...
Can't you admit the TIMING was inappropriate ?
Can't you see how HYPOCRITE it was of Hope to target a MARRIED man after all her speechs about her moral and virtue ?

oh well, that is, like you said, nothing compared to what some other characters on this show have done. Including...or rather, especially Steffy.

In THIS triangle, Steffy target an engaged man ... Lope were not even a real adult relationship ...
Hope target a MARRIAGE and a FAMILY ...

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Monday, February 11, 2019, 11:10AM (10 days ago) @ EmaU

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Steffy is a gal who used both of her babies to hold onto a man who loved someone else more. Steffy is a gal who tried to convince a married man to leave his wife because she couldn't have children. Steffy is a gal who didn't know if she was knocked up by her husband or her husband's father. Steffy is a gal who begged 2 different men to have sex with her, while the girlfriend they were dating was still a virgin. Steffy is a gal who begged multiple married men to dump their wife for her. Steffy is a gal who begged a married man to have sex with her, while his wife was fighting for her life on a hospital bed. Steffy is a gal who blackmailed a man into leaving his girlfriend for him, against her shares. Steffy is a gal who told her brother to date rape a virgin, so she could hold onto her unhappy husband. Steffy is a gal who dumped her very loyal husband, because he wouldn't commit a crime for her. Steffy is a gal who hid a cellphone and locked a woman in a telecabin, so her ex-fiancee could marry her on the rebound instead. It was bad. I think Hope wins.


But Hope is the bad one. :drunk


It seems like the 2 only arguments thrown around here are that she slept with a married Liam and went after him after Steffy lost her baby, and that's enough to label her as the most heartless and selfish woman on the show. I don't excuse these 2 cases, but in the first one, Liam was very much separared and broken up with his adultress wife, and having sex was HIS idea. Very different from Steffy, who schemed, lied and begged MULTIPLE married men for sex. In the second case, some are clearly leaving out the context of Steffy's marriage. She had interfered in Hope and Liam's relationship for years, and had used her pregnancy to keep him. That doesn't excuse Hope for making a play for Liam, but it still makes a big difference. If that's all they have to hold against Hope, I rhink I can write a book to criticize each other regular woman on the show.


I find the idea that Hope should have even one shred of respect for Steffy's marriages mind boggling. Hope and Liam were clearly the couple when Steffy started scheming, lying, manipulating, and using her body to get him.

ALL this happened more than 10 years ago ...

If Hope was wrong for wanting him back and letting him know that..

Hope thought about getting Liam back while Steffy was STILL in the hospital ... Steam had lost a child but they were still MARRIED ...
Can't you admit the TIMING was inappropriate ?
Can't you see how HYPOCRITE it was of Hope to target a MARRIED man after all her speechs about her moral and virtue ?

oh well, that is, like you said, nothing compared to what some other characters on this show have done. Including...or rather, especially Steffy.

In THIS triangle, Steffy target an engaged man ... Lope were not even a real adult relationship ...
Hope target a MARRIAGE and a FAMILY ...

What Steffy did can be dismissed by saying it happened 10 years ago but not Hope. Okay then. :oops

If the timing was bad blame Taylor.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by EmaU, Monday, February 11, 2019, 5:51PM (10 days ago) @ Drangonfly
edited by EmaU, Monday, February 11, 2019, 6:11PM

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.

Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Steffy is a gal who used both of her babies to hold onto a man who loved someone else more. Steffy is a gal who tried to convince a married man to leave his wife because she couldn't have children. Steffy is a gal who didn't know if she was knocked up by her husband or her husband's father. Steffy is a gal who begged 2 different men to have sex with her, while the girlfriend they were dating was still a virgin. Steffy is a gal who begged multiple married men to dump their wife for her. Steffy is a gal who begged a married man to have sex with her, while his wife was fighting for her life on a hospital bed. Steffy is a gal who blackmailed a man into leaving his girlfriend for him, against her shares. Steffy is a gal who told her brother to date rape a virgin, so she could hold onto her unhappy husband. Steffy is a gal who dumped her very loyal husband, because he wouldn't commit a crime for her. Steffy is a gal who hid a cellphone and locked a woman in a telecabin, so her ex-fiancee could marry her on the rebound instead. It was bad. I think Hope wins.

But Hope is the bad one. :drunk

It seems like the 2 only arguments thrown around here are that she slept with a married Liam and went after him after Steffy lost her baby, and that's enough to label her as the most heartless and selfish woman on the show. I don't excuse these 2 cases, but in the first one, Liam was very much separared and broken up with his adultress wife, and having sex was HIS idea. Very different from Steffy, who schemed, lied and begged MULTIPLE married men for sex. In the second case, some are clearly leaving out the context of Steffy's marriage. She had interfered in Hope and Liam's relationship for years, and had used her pregnancy to keep him. That doesn't excuse Hope for making a play for Liam, but it still makes a big difference. If that's all they have to hold against Hope, I rhink I can write a book to criticize each other regular woman on the show.

I find the idea that Hope should have even one shred of respect for Steffy's marriages mind boggling. Hope and Liam were clearly the couple when Steffy started scheming, lying, manipulating, and using her body to get him.

ALL this happened more than 10 years ago ...

If Hope was wrong for wanting him back and letting him know that..

Hope thought about getting Liam back while Steffy was STILL in the hospital ... Steam had lost a child but they were still MARRIED ...
Can't you admit the TIMING was inappropriate ?
Can't you see how HYPOCRITE it was of Hope to target a MARRIED man after all her speechs about her moral and virtue ?

oh well, that is, like you said, nothing compared to what some other characters on this show have done. Including...or rather, especially Steffy.

In THIS triangle, Steffy target an engaged man ... Lope were not even a real adult relationship ...
Hope target a MARRIAGE and a FAMILY ...

What Steffy did can be dismissed by saying it happened 10 years ago but not Hope. Okay then. :oops

Hope chasing after Liam in the hospital was not 10 years ago
And Hope targeted married Liam AGAIN recently...
I KNOW the marriage was on the rocks but Hope s interference ruined the reunion Liam had planned
Hope wrecked Kelly’s family....

If the timing was bad blame Taylor.

NOPE .... Hope told Katie she was after Steffys husband at the minute Steffy lost the child
Baby or not, there was a marriage
Having another child is a way to deal with loss and grief ...
This was a decision between Liam and Steffy ...
The aborted shotgun wedding planned by Brooke was not a justification
To me Hope was wrong to chase after a married man who just lost his child PERIOD
But OF COURSE everything Hope does is justified bc Steffy stopped’ the bitter ex in a gondola :lol
Bottom line 10 years ago the dichotomy was clear
Hope was the wannabe nice and Steffy the sexy vixen using Brooke’s tricks
NOW ?
Now Hope lost most of her halo and Steffy, although impulsive, changed for the better
I intensely disliked Steffy when she was à Brooke wannabe but I gave her she was smart and family loyalty, something Brooke never had.
I saw Hope was supposed to be the nice one but I couldn’t support sneaky hypocrite Hope ....
She NEVER was a 100% victim like Caroline sr was ... raped, betrayed manipulated by people claiming to care for her
I know many hated Taylor for being a « fake » saint ... but She NEVER bragged about herself the way Hope did

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Monday, February 11, 2019, 7:28PM (10 days ago) @ EmaU

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.

Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Steffy is a gal who used both of her babies to hold onto a man who loved someone else more. Steffy is a gal who tried to convince a married man to leave his wife because she couldn't have children. Steffy is a gal who didn't know if she was knocked up by her husband or her husband's father. Steffy is a gal who begged 2 different men to have sex with her, while the girlfriend they were dating was still a virgin. Steffy is a gal who begged multiple married men to dump their wife for her. Steffy is a gal who begged a married man to have sex with her, while his wife was fighting for her life on a hospital bed. Steffy is a gal who blackmailed a man into leaving his girlfriend for him, against her shares. Steffy is a gal who told her brother to date rape a virgin, so she could hold onto her unhappy husband. Steffy is a gal who dumped her very loyal husband, because he wouldn't commit a crime for her. Steffy is a gal who hid a cellphone and locked a woman in a telecabin, so her ex-fiancee could marry her on the rebound instead. It was bad. I think Hope wins.

But Hope is the bad one. :drunk

It seems like the 2 only arguments thrown around here are that she slept with a married Liam and went after him after Steffy lost her baby, and that's enough to label her as the most heartless and selfish woman on the show. I don't excuse these 2 cases, but in the first one, Liam was very much separared and broken up with his adultress wife, and having sex was HIS idea. Very different from Steffy, who schemed, lied and begged MULTIPLE married men for sex. In the second case, some are clearly leaving out the context of Steffy's marriage. She had interfered in Hope and Liam's relationship for years, and had used her pregnancy to keep him. That doesn't excuse Hope for making a play for Liam, but it still makes a big difference. If that's all they have to hold against Hope, I rhink I can write a book to criticize each other regular woman on the show.

I find the idea that Hope should have even one shred of respect for Steffy's marriages mind boggling. Hope and Liam were clearly the couple when Steffy started scheming, lying, manipulating, and using her body to get him.

ALL this happened more than 10 years ago ...

If Hope was wrong for wanting him back and letting him know that..

Hope thought about getting Liam back while Steffy was STILL in the hospital ... Steam had lost a child but they were still MARRIED ...
Can't you admit the TIMING was inappropriate ?
Can't you see how HYPOCRITE it was of Hope to target a MARRIED man after all her speechs about her moral and virtue ?

oh well, that is, like you said, nothing compared to what some other characters on this show have done. Including...or rather, especially Steffy.

In THIS triangle, Steffy target an engaged man ... Lope were not even a real adult relationship ...
Hope target a MARRIAGE and a FAMILY ...

What Steffy did can be dismissed by saying it happened 10 years ago but not Hope. Okay then. :oops

Hope chasing after Liam in the hospital was not 10 years ago
And Hope targeted married Liam AGAIN recently...
I KNOW the marriage was on the rocks but Hope s interference ruined the reunion Liam had planned
Hope wrecked Kelly’s family....

If the timing was bad blame Taylor.

NOPE .... Hope told Katie she was after Steffys husband at the minute Steffy lost the child
Baby or not, there was a marriage
Having another child is a way to deal with loss and grief ...
This was a decision between Liam and Steffy ...
The aborted shotgun wedding planned by Brooke was not a justification
To me Hope was wrong to chase after a married man who just lost his child PERIOD
But OF COURSE everything Hope does is justified bc Steffy stopped’ the bitter ex in a gondola :lol
Bottom line 10 years ago the dichotomy was clear
Hope was the wannabe nice and Steffy the sexy vixen using Brooke’s tricks
NOW ?
Now Hope lost most of her halo and Steffy, although impulsive, changed for the better
I intensely disliked Steffy when she was à Brooke wannabe but I gave her she was smart and family loyalty, something Brooke never had.
I saw Hope was supposed to be the nice one but I couldn’t support sneaky hypocrite Hope ....
She NEVER was a 100% victim like Caroline sr was ... raped, betrayed manipulated by people claiming to care for her
I know many hated Taylor for being a « fake » saint ... but She NEVER bragged about herself the way Hope did

Meh. I don't care. There are no saints on soap operas. Thank goodness or there would be no drama to watch. But Hope is the character on the show who has the least amount of transgressions. She really is the heroine of the show.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by EmaU, Monday, February 11, 2019, 8:37PM (10 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.

Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Steffy is a gal who used both of her babies to hold onto a man who loved someone else more. Steffy is a gal who tried to convince a married man to leave his wife because she couldn't have children. Steffy is a gal who didn't know if she was knocked up by her husband or her husband's father. Steffy is a gal who begged 2 different men to have sex with her, while the girlfriend they were dating was still a virgin. Steffy is a gal who begged multiple married men to dump their wife for her. Steffy is a gal who begged a married man to have sex with her, while his wife was fighting for her life on a hospital bed. Steffy is a gal who blackmailed a man into leaving his girlfriend for him, against her shares. Steffy is a gal who told her brother to date rape a virgin, so she could hold onto her unhappy husband. Steffy is a gal who dumped her very loyal husband, because he wouldn't commit a crime for her. Steffy is a gal who hid a cellphone and locked a woman in a telecabin, so her ex-fiancee could marry her on the rebound instead. It was bad. I think Hope wins.

But Hope is the bad one. :drunk

It seems like the 2 only arguments thrown around here are that she slept with a married Liam and went after him after Steffy lost her baby, and that's enough to label her as the most heartless and selfish woman on the show. I don't excuse these 2 cases, but in the first one, Liam was very much separared and broken up with his adultress wife, and having sex was HIS idea. Very different from Steffy, who schemed, lied and begged MULTIPLE married men for sex. In the second case, some are clearly leaving out the context of Steffy's marriage. She had interfered in Hope and Liam's relationship for years, and had used her pregnancy to keep him. That doesn't excuse Hope for making a play for Liam, but it still makes a big difference. If that's all they have to hold against Hope, I rhink I can write a book to criticize each other regular woman on the show.

I find the idea that Hope should have even one shred of respect for Steffy's marriages mind boggling. Hope and Liam were clearly the couple when Steffy started scheming, lying, manipulating, and using her body to get him.

ALL this happened more than 10 years ago ...

If Hope was wrong for wanting him back and letting him know that..

Hope thought about getting Liam back while Steffy was STILL in the hospital ... Steam had lost a child but they were still MARRIED ...
Can't you admit the TIMING was inappropriate ?
Can't you see how HYPOCRITE it was of Hope to target a MARRIED man after all her speechs about her moral and virtue ?

oh well, that is, like you said, nothing compared to what some other characters on this show have done. Including...or rather, especially Steffy.

In THIS triangle, Steffy target an engaged man ... Lope were not even a real adult relationship ...
Hope target a MARRIAGE and a FAMILY ...

What Steffy did can be dismissed by saying it happened 10 years ago but not Hope. Okay then. :oops

Hope chasing after Liam in the hospital was not 10 years ago
And Hope targeted married Liam AGAIN recently...
I KNOW the marriage was on the rocks but Hope s interference ruined the reunion Liam had planned
Hope wrecked Kelly’s family....

If the timing was bad blame Taylor.

NOPE .... Hope told Katie she was after Steffys husband at the minute Steffy lost the child
Baby or not, there was a marriage
Having another child is a way to deal with loss and grief ...
This was a decision between Liam and Steffy ...
The aborted shotgun wedding planned by Brooke was not a justification
To me Hope was wrong to chase after a married man who just lost his child PERIOD
But OF COURSE everything Hope does is justified bc Steffy stopped’ the bitter ex in a gondola :lol
Bottom line 10 years ago the dichotomy was clear
Hope was the wannabe nice and Steffy the sexy vixen using Brooke’s tricks
NOW ?
Now Hope lost most of her halo and Steffy, although impulsive, changed for the better
I intensely disliked Steffy when she was à Brooke wannabe but I gave her she was smart and family loyalty, something Brooke never had.
I saw Hope was supposed to be the nice one but I couldn’t support sneaky hypocrite Hope ....
She NEVER was a 100% victim like Caroline sr was ... raped, betrayed manipulated by people claiming to care for her
I know many hated Taylor for being a « fake » saint ... but She NEVER bragged about herself the way Hope did


Meh. I don't care. There are no saints on soap operas. Thank goodness or there would be no drama to watch. But Hope is the character on the show who has the least amount of transgressions. She really is the heroine of the show.

Just bc You say so ? All right... :lol

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Monday, February 11, 2019, 10:58PM (10 days ago) @ EmaU

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.
Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Steffy is a gal who used both of her babies to hold onto a man who loved someone else more. Steffy is a gal who tried to convince a married man to leave his wife because she couldn't have children. Steffy is a gal who didn't know if she was knocked up by her husband or her husband's father. Steffy is a gal who begged 2 different men to have sex with her, while the girlfriend they were dating was still a virgin. Steffy is a gal who begged multiple married men to dump their wife for her. Steffy is a gal who begged a married man to have sex with her, while his wife was fighting for her life on a hospital bed. Steffy is a gal who blackmailed a man into leaving his girlfriend for him, against her shares. Steffy is a gal who told her brother to date rape a virgin, so she could hold onto her unhappy husband. Steffy is a gal who dumped her very loyal husband, because he wouldn't commit a crime for her. Steffy is a gal who hid a cellphone and locked a woman in a telecabin, so her ex-fiancee could marry her on the rebound instead. It was bad. I think Hope wins.

But Hope is the bad one. :drunk

It seems like the 2 only arguments thrown around here are that she slept with a married Liam and went after him after Steffy lost her baby, and that's enough to label her as the most heartless and selfish woman on the show. I don't excuse these 2 cases, but in the first one, Liam was very much separared and broken up with his adultress wife, and having sex was HIS idea. Very different from Steffy, who schemed, lied and begged MULTIPLE married men for sex. In the second case, some are clearly leaving out the context of Steffy's marriage. She had interfered in Hope and Liam's relationship for years, and had used her pregnancy to keep him. That doesn't excuse Hope for making a play for Liam, but it still makes a big difference. If that's all they have to hold against Hope, I rhink I can write a book to criticize each other regular woman on the show.

I find the idea that Hope should have even one shred of respect for Steffy's marriages mind boggling. Hope and Liam were clearly the couple when Steffy started scheming, lying, manipulating, and using her body to get him.

ALL this happened more than 10 years ago ...

If Hope was wrong for wanting him back and letting him know that..

Hope thought about getting Liam back while Steffy was STILL in the hospital ... Steam had lost a child but they were still MARRIED ...
Can't you admit the TIMING was inappropriate ?
Can't you see how HYPOCRITE it was of Hope to target a MARRIED man after all her speechs about her moral and virtue ?

oh well, that is, like you said, nothing compared to what some other characters on this show have done. Including...or rather, especially Steffy.

In THIS triangle, Steffy target an engaged man ... Lope were not even a real adult relationship ...
Hope target a MARRIAGE and a FAMILY ...

What Steffy did can be dismissed by saying it happened 10 years ago but not Hope. Okay then. :oops

Hope chasing after Liam in the hospital was not 10 years ago
And Hope targeted married Liam AGAIN recently...
I KNOW the marriage was on the rocks but Hope s interference ruined the reunion Liam had planned
Hope wrecked Kelly’s family....

If the timing was bad blame Taylor.

NOPE .... Hope told Katie she was after Steffys husband at the minute Steffy lost the child
Baby or not, there was a marriage
Having another child is a way to deal with loss and grief ...
This was a decision between Liam and Steffy ...
The aborted shotgun wedding planned by Brooke was not a justification
To me Hope was wrong to chase after a married man who just lost his child PERIOD
But OF COURSE everything Hope does is justified bc Steffy stopped’ the bitter ex in a gondola :lol
Bottom line 10 years ago the dichotomy was clear
Hope was the wannabe nice and Steffy the sexy vixen using Brooke’s tricks
NOW ?
Now Hope lost most of her halo and Steffy, although impulsive, changed for the better
I intensely disliked Steffy when she was à Brooke wannabe but I gave her she was smart and family loyalty, something Brooke never had.
I saw Hope was supposed to be the nice one but I couldn’t support sneaky hypocrite Hope ....
She NEVER was a 100% victim like Caroline sr was ... raped, betrayed manipulated by people claiming to care for her
I know many hated Taylor for being a « fake » saint ... but She NEVER bragged about herself the way Hope did


Meh. I don't care. There are no saints on soap operas. Thank goodness or there would be no drama to watch. But Hope is the character on the show who has the least amount of transgressions. She really is the heroine of the show.

Just bc You say so ? All right... :lol

Well, yeah. And I don't have to convince anyone but myself. :dance3

If Brad Bell was asked...

by IW, Monday, February 11, 2019, 7:01PM (10 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Steffy is a gal who used both of her babies to hold onto a man who loved someone else more. Steffy is a gal who tried to convince a married man to leave his wife because she couldn't have children. Steffy is a gal who didn't know if she was knocked up by her husband or her husband's father. Steffy is a gal who begged 2 different men to have sex with her, while the girlfriend they were dating was still a virgin. Steffy is a gal who begged multiple married men to dump their wife for her. Steffy is a gal who begged a married man to have sex with her, while his wife was fighting for her life on a hospital bed. Steffy is a gal who blackmailed a man into leaving his girlfriend for him, against her shares. Steffy is a gal who told her brother to date rape a virgin, so she could hold onto her unhappy husband. Steffy is a gal who dumped her very loyal husband, because he wouldn't commit a crime for her. Steffy is a gal who hid a cellphone and locked a woman in a telecabin, so her ex-fiancee could marry her on the rebound instead. It was bad. I think Hope wins.


But Hope is the bad one. :drunk


It seems like the 2 only arguments thrown around here are that she slept with a married Liam and went after him after Steffy lost her baby, and that's enough to label her as the most heartless and selfish woman on the show. I don't excuse these 2 cases, but in the first one, Liam was very much separared and broken up with his adultress wife, and having sex was HIS idea. Very different from Steffy, who schemed, lied and begged MULTIPLE married men for sex. In the second case, some are clearly leaving out the context of Steffy's marriage. She had interfered in Hope and Liam's relationship for years, and had used her pregnancy to keep him. That doesn't excuse Hope for making a play for Liam, but it still makes a big difference. If that's all they have to hold against Hope, I rhink I can write a book to criticize each other regular woman on the show.


I find the idea that Hope should have even one shred of respect for Steffy's marriages mind boggling. Hope and Liam were clearly the couple when Steffy started scheming, lying, manipulating, and using her body to get him.

ALL this happened more than 10 years ago ...

If Hope was wrong for wanting him back and letting him know that..

Hope thought about getting Liam back while Steffy was STILL in the hospital ... Steam had lost a child but they were still MARRIED ...
Can't you admit the TIMING was inappropriate ?
Can't you see how HYPOCRITE it was of Hope to target a MARRIED man after all her speechs about her moral and virtue ?

oh well, that is, like you said, nothing compared to what some other characters on this show have done. Including...or rather, especially Steffy.

In THIS triangle, Steffy target an engaged man ... Lope were not even a real adult relationship ...
Hope target a MARRIAGE and a FAMILY ...


What Steffy did can be dismissed by saying it happened 10 years ago but not Hope. Okay then. :oops

If the timing was bad blame Taylor.

I was thinking the same. Some of the points I listed about Steffy happened long after Hope made a play for Liam after Steffy's miscarriage. Having sex with her father-in-law, electrocuting Ivy, shooting Sheila, interfering between Livy, Wivy, Tally and Queric all happened very recently. Not sure why Steffy's past can't be brought up if Hope's can.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Barbybo, Monday, February 11, 2019, 12:53PM (10 days ago) @ EmaU

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Steffy is a gal who used both of her babies to hold onto a man who loved someone else more. Steffy is a gal who tried to convince a married man to leave his wife because she couldn't have children. Steffy is a gal who didn't know if she was knocked up by her husband or her husband's father. Steffy is a gal who begged 2 different men to have sex with her, while the girlfriend they were dating was still a virgin. Steffy is a gal who begged multiple married men to dump their wife for her. Steffy is a gal who begged a married man to have sex with her, while his wife was fighting for her life on a hospital bed. Steffy is a gal who blackmailed a man into leaving his girlfriend for him, against her shares. Steffy is a gal who told her brother to date rape a virgin, so she could hold onto her unhappy husband. Steffy is a gal who dumped her very loyal husband, because he wouldn't commit a crime for her. Steffy is a gal who hid a cellphone and locked a woman in a telecabin, so her ex-fiancee could marry her on the rebound instead. It was bad. I think Hope wins.


But Hope is the bad one. :drunk


It seems like the 2 only arguments thrown around here are that she slept with a married Liam and went after him after Steffy lost her baby, and that's enough to label her as the most heartless and selfish woman on the show. I don't excuse these 2 cases, but in the first one, Liam was very much separared and broken up with his adultress wife, and having sex was HIS idea. Very different from Steffy, who schemed, lied and begged MULTIPLE married men for sex. In the second case, some are clearly leaving out the context of Steffy's marriage. She had interfered in Hope and Liam's relationship for years, and had used her pregnancy to keep him. That doesn't excuse Hope for making a play for Liam, but it still makes a big difference. If that's all they have to hold against Hope, I rhink I can write a book to criticize each other regular woman on the show.


I find the idea that Hope should have even one shred of respect for Steffy's marriages mind boggling. Hope and Liam were clearly the couple when Steffy started scheming, lying, manipulating, and using her body to get him.

ALL this happened more than 10 years ago ...

If Hope was wrong for wanting him back and letting him know that..

Hope thought about getting Liam back while Steffy was STILL in the hospital ... Steam had lost a child but they were still MARRIED ...
Can't you admit the TIMING was inappropriate ?
Can't you see how HYPOCRITE it was of Hope to target a MARRIED man after all her speechs about her moral and virtue ?

oh well, that is, like you said, nothing compared to what some other characters on this show have done. Including...or rather, especially Steffy.

In THIS triangle, Steffy target an engaged man ... Lope were not even a real adult relationship ...
Hope target a MARRIAGE and a FAMILY ...

Hope didn’t give a thought to kelly when she laid down in cabin

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Monday, February 11, 2019, 1:15PM (10 days ago) @ Barbybo

Neither did Liam.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by LRDbold&beautiful, Monday, February 11, 2019, 9:37AM (10 days ago) @ Barbybo

The writing for Hope in this particular case made her look as selfish and manipulative as I have see her from the start. Hope is both hypocritical and self serving. That is what is most consistently written for Hope. And, what is mind boggling is how the writers constantly have other characters, especially Brooke and Liam, saying she is all goodness and light with a straight face even! Seriously, it's crazy. And, I'm STILL trying to understand what the heck Hope has ever done to give such "positive" inspiration through her line? What a joke this whole Hope for the Future mysterious message is.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by angry gal ⌂, Melbourne AUS, Monday, February 11, 2019, 6:41PM (10 days ago) @ Barbybo

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad

Omg again with the cabin floor . You do know that this is the same cabin floor that Steffy got knocked up on years ago by Liam who was engaged to Hope . I'm over all the slurs about getting knocked up , cabin floor, cabin having just one room which has been disproven and shown that the cabin has a bedroom , bathroom, kitchen and living area none which really matters as all we've ever seen is that the cliff house has a living room and a nursery which until yesterday was never shown.We all have watched the same show yet we see different things and have our own versions which somehow differ from what was actually aired. :rules

If Brad Bell was asked...

by EmaU, Monday, February 11, 2019, 6:47PM (10 days ago) @ angry gal

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Omg again with the cabin floor . You do know that this is the same cabin floor that Steffy got knocked up on years ago by Liam who was engaged to Hope . I'm over all the slurs about getting knocked up , cabin floor, cabin having just one room which has been disproven and shown that the cabin has a bedroom , bathroom, kitchen and living area none which really matters as all we've ever seen is that the cliff house has a living room and a nursery which until yesterday was never shown.We all have watched the same show yet we see different things and have our own versions which somehow differ from what was actually aired. :rules

On the show I watched Liam and Steffy were in a relationship, living together when she got pregnant
She was about to tell him when she catched Hope throwing herself at him
Hope was NOT a fiancée, she was an EX who chased after Steffy’s boyfriend after SHE had dumped him and told him to move on...

Of course when he did, Hope could not stand it ...

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If Brad Bell was asked...

by Viola, Monday, February 11, 2019, 7:01PM (10 days ago) @ EmaU

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Omg again with the cabin floor . You do know that this is the same cabin floor that Steffy got knocked up on years ago by Liam who was engaged to Hope . I'm over all the slurs about getting knocked up , cabin floor, cabin having just one room which has been disproven and shown that the cabin has a bedroom , bathroom, kitchen and living area none which really matters as all we've ever seen is that the cliff house has a living room and a nursery which until yesterday was never shown.We all have watched the same show yet we see different things and have our own versions which somehow differ from what was actually aired. :rules

On the show I watched Liam and Steffy were in a relationship, living together when she got pregnant
She was about to tell him when she catched Hope throwing herself at him
Hope was NOT a fiancée, she was an EX who chased after Steffy’s boyfriend after SHE had dumped him and told him to move on...

Of course when he did, Hope could not stand it ...

And of course Steffy had nothing to do with the fact that Liam and Hope broke up... Innocent Steffy.

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If Brad Bell was asked...

by Viola, Monday, February 11, 2019, 7:02PM (10 days ago) @ angry gal

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Hopes a gal who got knocked up on a cabin floor by a married guy with a infant ...quickie wedding. And whines...the rest is discussed in roses thread ......I mean in the day Steffys baby died ..she wasn’t going to get pregnent in the day her baby died why rush over....she was pathetic..why throw yourself at a guy who just lost a baby.. it was bad


Omg again with the cabin floor . You do know that this is the same cabin floor that Steffy got knocked up on years ago by Liam who was engaged to Hope . I'm over all the slurs about getting knocked up , cabin floor, cabin having just one room which has been disproven and shown that the cabin has a bedroom , bathroom, kitchen and living area none which really matters as all we've ever seen is that the cliff house has a living room and a nursery which until yesterday was never shown.We all have watched the same show yet we see different things and have our own versions which somehow differ from what was actually aired. :rules

I agree. It's boring and annoying.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by hopeyougogirl, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 4:53PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.

I honestly think from Bell's perspective..Hope vs. Steffy is a classic good girl vs. bad girl..a virgin vs. a vixen.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Barbybo, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 4:57PM (11 days ago) @ hopeyougogirl

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


I honestly think from Bell's perspective..Hope vs. Steffy is a classic good girl vs. bad girl..a virgin vs. a vixen.

And a cad character who makes them interchangeable..looking like doormats

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:27PM (11 days ago) @ hopeyougogirl

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


I honestly think from Bell's perspective..Hope vs. Steffy is a classic good girl vs. bad girl..a virgin vs. a vixen.

I do too. And I think that's exactly why the triangle has gone on so long. It's the best rivalry on soaps right now, IMO.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Barbybo, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:42PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


I honestly think from Bell's perspective..Hope vs. Steffy is a classic good girl vs. bad girl..a virgin vs. a vixen.


I do too. And I think that's exactly why the triangle has gone on so long. It's the best rivalry on soaps right now, IMO.

Oh it’s a drag.....

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If Brad Bell was asked...

by EsterMD @, Somewhere in the Local Group!!!, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:15PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

The same reasoning could me made for Liam. Like him or not, he is not written as a criminal or a revengful person who enjoys hurting people. I have never seen Hope as a mean girl either. She is a lot better than her mother or Taylor. I just don't care about the character outside of the triangle. She bores me in half of her scenes. But I agree that Bell sees her the same way he sees Liam. Does not mean every viewers have to feel the way he does.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Barbybo, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:16PM (11 days ago) @ EsterMD

The same reasoning could me made for Liam. Like him or not, he is not written as a criminal or a revengful person who enjoys hurting people. I have never seen Hope as a mean girl either. She is a lot better than her mother or Taylor. I just don't care about the character outside of the triangle. She bores me in half of her scenes. But I agree that Bell sees her the same way he sees Liam. Does not mean every viewers have to feel the way he does.

Hi now liam that’s a whole thread by himself:lol

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If Brad Bell was asked...

by EsterMD @, Somewhere in the Local Group!!!, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:16PM (11 days ago) @ Barbybo

Maybe

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:19PM (11 days ago) @ EsterMD

The same reasoning could me made for Liam. Like him or not, he is not written as a criminal or a revengful person who enjoys hurting people. I have never seen Hope as a mean girl either. She is a lot better than her mother or Taylor. I just don't care about the character outside of the triangle. She bores me in half of her scenes. But I agree that Bell sees her the same way he sees Liam. Does not mean every viewers have to feel the way he does.

Agree, Liam is written as a good character. Flawed but good.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Barbybo, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:23PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

The same reasoning could me made for Liam. Like him or not, he is not written as a criminal or a revengful person who enjoys hurting people. I have never seen Hope as a mean girl either. She is a lot better than her mother or Taylor. I just don't care about the character outside of the triangle. She bores me in half of her scenes. But I agree that Bell sees her the same way he sees Liam. Does not mean every viewers have to feel the way he does.


Agree, Liam is written as a good character. Flawed but good.

Flawed is right he treats the two gals like doormats with his waffeling..Bell should give the triangle up...I am sick of it hire a new guy for Steffy..

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If Brad Bell was asked...

by EsterMD @, Somewhere in the Local Group!!!, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:25PM (11 days ago) @ Barbybo

He treats women a lot better than Ridge, Thorne, Eric, Bill, Thomas & Rick.
& unlike others, he does not scheme, conspire, lie & manipulate to be with the woman he wants.
But if Liam treats women so horribly, then Steffy & Hope treat men just as bad, for me. They have also waffled, lied & cheated.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Barbybo, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:39PM (11 days ago) @ EsterMD

He treats women a lot better than Ridge, Thorne, Eric, Bill, Thomas & Rick.
& unlike others, he does not scheme, conspire, lie & manipulate to be with the woman he wants.
But if Liam treats women so horribly, then Steffy & Hope treat men just as bad, for me. They have also waffled, lied & cheated.

Waffeling is disgusting to me....

If Brad Bell was asked...

by IW, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 6:58PM (11 days ago) @ Barbybo

He treats women a lot better than Ridge, Thorne, Eric, Bill, Thomas & Rick.
& unlike others, he does not scheme, conspire, lie & manipulate to be with the woman he wants.
But if Liam treats women so horribly, then Steffy & Hope treat men just as bad, for me. They have also waffled, lied & cheated.


Waffeling is disgusting to me....

Nobody waffles more than Steffy, so coming from a Steffy fan, it surprises me a little bit. She waffled between Marcus and Rick, between Oliver and Bill, between Liam and Wyatt and more recently, Liam and Bill. She cheated on both of her husbands, and not just kisses but sex. She interfered in multiple relationships, conspired against multiple couples, the latest one being Thomas and Sally. She harassed and begged multiple men to have sex with her. Now she pretends she is done with Liam for good, but her behavior shows she hasn't moved on from him. Is she more disgusting than Liam?

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Barbybo, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 8:12PM (11 days ago) @ IW

He treats women a lot better than Ridge, Thorne, Eric, Bill, Thomas & Rick.
& unlike others, he does not scheme, conspire, lie & manipulate to be with the woman he wants.
But if Liam treats women so horribly, then Steffy & Hope treat men just as bad, for me. They have also waffled, lied & cheated.


Waffeling is disgusting to me....


Nobody waffles more than Steffy, so coming from a Steffy fan, it surprises me a little bit. She waffled between Marcus and Rick, between Oliver and Bill, between Liam and Wyatt and more recently, Liam and Bill. She cheated on both of her husbands, and not just kisses but sex. She interfered in multiple relationships, conspired against multiple couples, the latest one being Thomas and Sally. She harassed and begged multiple men to have sex with her. Now she pretends she is done with Liam for good, but her behavior shows she hasn't moved on from him. Is she more disgusting than Liam?

To,me liams the epidomy of a women abuser..mentaly

If Brad Bell was asked...

by EmaU, Monday, February 11, 2019, 10:32AM (10 days ago) @ IW

He treats women a lot better than Ridge, Thorne, Eric, Bill, Thomas & Rick.
& unlike others, he does not scheme, conspire, lie & manipulate to be with the woman he wants.
But if Liam treats women so horribly, then Steffy & Hope treat men just as bad, for me. They have also waffled, lied & cheated.


Waffeling is disgusting to me....


Nobody waffles more than Steffy, so coming from a Steffy fan, it surprises me a little bit. She waffled between Marcus and Rick, between Oliver and Bill, between Liam and Wyatt and more recently, Liam and Bill. She cheated on both of her husbands, and not just kisses but sex. She interfered in multiple relationships, conspired against multiple couples, the latest one being Thomas and Sally. She harassed and begged multiple men to have sex with her. Now she pretends she is done with Liam for good, but her behavior shows she hasn't moved on from him. Is she more disgusting than Liam?

WHEN was the last time Steffy begged a man for sex ?

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Barbybo, Tuesday, February 12, 2019, 1:17PM (9 days ago) @ EmaU

He treats women a lot better than Ridge, Thorne, Eric, Bill, Thomas & Rick.
& unlike others, he does not scheme, conspire, lie & manipulate to be with the woman he wants.
But if Liam treats women so horribly, then Steffy & Hope treat men just as bad, for me. They have also waffled, lied & cheated.


Waffeling is disgusting to me....


Nobody waffles more than Steffy, so coming from a Steffy fan, it surprises me a little bit. She waffled between Marcus and Rick, between Oliver and Bill, between Liam and Wyatt and more recently, Liam and Bill. She cheated on both of her husbands, and not just kisses but sex. She interfered in multiple relationships, conspired against multiple couples, the latest one being Thomas and Sally. She harassed and begged multiple men to have sex with her. Now she pretends she is done with Liam for good, but her behavior shows she hasn't moved on from him. Is she more disgusting than Liam?

WHEN was the last time Steffy begged a man for sex ?

That’s why this show is. Soo stupid just look at her:love

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If Brad Bell was asked...

by muppetfish @, Tuesday, February 12, 2019, 1:23PM (9 days ago) @ IW

He treats women a lot better than Ridge, Thorne, Eric, Bill, Thomas & Rick.
& unlike others, he does not scheme, conspire, lie & manipulate to be with the woman he wants.
But if Liam treats women so horribly, then Steffy & Hope treat men just as bad, for me. They have also waffled, lied & cheated.


Waffeling is disgusting to me....


Nobody waffles more than Steffy, so coming from a Steffy fan, it surprises me a little bit. She waffled between Marcus and Rick, between Oliver and Bill, between Liam and Wyatt and more recently, Liam and Bill. She cheated on both of her husbands, and not just kisses but sex. She interfered in multiple relationships, conspired against multiple couples, the latest one being Thomas and Sally. She harassed and begged multiple men to have sex with her. Now she pretends she is done with Liam for good, but her behavior shows she hasn't moved on from him. Is she more disgusting than Liam?

Steffy never waffled between Liam and Bill :lol
A ons born out of An overreaction to Liam cheating followed by months and months of her saying no to Bill isn't waffeling imo.

And who on the show hasn't messed with a relationship? Even Pam is guilty of that

If Brad Bell was asked...

by heynow, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:22PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

A counterpoint to Steffy.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:29PM (11 days ago) @ heynow

A counterpoint to Steffy.

Yes, agree. :cool

If Brad Bell was asked...

by HopeNationROCKS @, California, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 5:41PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Even if a soap character is more layered respect with fairy tales characters, IMO, writers have clearly written Hope as the virginal heroine and Steffy as the manipulative vixen. Of course, some fans are free to believe that snow white is the witch and the witch is the heroine...

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by MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, Monday, February 11, 2019, 6:31AM (10 days ago) @ HopeNationROCKS

Even if a soap character is more layered respect with fairy tales characters, IMO, writers have clearly written Hope as the virginal heroine and Steffy as the manipulative vixen. Of course, some fans are free to believe that snow white is the witch and the witch is the heroine...

I prefer my characters to be a bit more nuanced than fairy tale princesses, and it's on that point where many seem to disagree in general.

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Still Hoping for the Future...


Team Putz...nah, just kidding!

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Brenda3, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 6:02PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.

Maybe everyone says she is good because she is always reminding everyone she is good and how she lives by those lofty standards that apparently no one else lives up to. Apparently the definition and standard of goodness has been lowered to the level Hope has sunk to. Good people don't do the things that Hope has done.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 6:17PM (11 days ago) @ Brenda3

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Maybe everyone says she is good because she is always reminding everyone she is good and how she lives by those lofty standards that apparently no one else lives up to. Apparently the definition and standard of goodness has been lowered to the level Hope has sunk to. Good people don't do the things that Hope has done.

So, you don't think Liam thinks Hope is a good person?

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Brenda3, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 6:39PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Maybe everyone says she is good because she is always reminding everyone she is good and how she lives by those lofty standards that apparently no one else lives up to. Apparently the definition and standard of goodness has been lowered to the level Hope has sunk to. Good people don't do the things that Hope has done.


So, you don't think Liam thinks Hope is a good person?

I think she portrays herself to Liam as a good person. She is always telling him how good she is and she always compares herself to Stffy as being better.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Barbybo, Monday, February 11, 2019, 2:06AM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Maybe everyone says she is good because she is always reminding everyone she is good and how she lives by those lofty standards that apparently no one else lives up to. Apparently the definition and standard of goodness has been lowered to the level Hope has sunk to. Good people don't do the things that Hope has done.


So, you don't think Liam thinks Hope is a good person?

Liam and Hope keep telling each other how good they are to each other ..two goofy characters :lol

If Brad Bell was asked...

by krort @, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 6:23PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Drangonfly said:<<<<I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.>>>>>

Perhaps it is more complicated than this but my opinion is that from day ONE the writers followed the old movie laws, virginal good blonde girl against the sexy, brunette vixen. Yes there is always some bad in a good girl and likewise some good in a typically bad girl, but the bottom line we generally think of them in one category or the other. And you will base your opinion of who you like depending on this.

And it worked for many many years with Hope and Steffy's mothers, blonde Brooke and brunette Taylor. They can not break that habit. I do not think they will change now.


Wanda

If Brad Bell was asked...

by IW, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 6:52PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.

Nobody is perfect, and we are free to like who we want. Some people prefer selfish, heartless characters and it's ok, it's a fictionnal soap. I don't judge. But I agree that Bell sees Hope as a good girl. He made Steffy a manipulative vixen and whether it was an accident or not, he made her a killer. He made Sally a con artist and a thief, even if he redeemed her. He made Quinn an attempted murderess and abductor. He made Taylor a killer and attempted killer. He made Zoe a stalker who steals a computer and sends death threats with it. He made Flo a complicit of Reese's crimes, who has no problem with keeping his secret. He made Pam a loony. The Logans can be seen as homewreckers but Bell wrote them as good girls, in general. Still, Brooke's list of mistakes and bad behavior is long, but Hope's isn't. Small level of cheating, waffling and interfering in relationships, and those are her biggest wrongdoings.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 7:12PM (11 days ago) @ IW

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


Nobody is perfect, and we are free to like who we want. Some people prefer selfish, heartless characters and it's ok, it's a fictionnal soap. I don't judge. But I agree that Bell sees Hope as a good girl. He made Steffy a manipulative vixen and whether it was an accident or not, he made her a killer. He made Sally a con artist and a thief, even if he redeemed her. He made Quinn an attempted murderess and abductor. He made Taylor a killer and attempted killer. He made Zoe a stalker who steals a computer and sends death threats with it. He made Flo a complicit of Reese's crimes, who has no problem with keeping his secret. He made Pam a loony. The Logans can be seen as homewreckers but Bell wrote them as good girls, in general. Still, Brooke's list of mistakes and bad behavior is long, but Hope's isn't. Small level of cheating, waffling and interfering in relationships, and those are her biggest wrongdoings.

Couldn't agree more. And this is exactly what I'm talking about.

I would add that ALL of these types of characters are needed on the show and make it better. I love Hope but I wouldn't want every character to be like her. I detest Steffy but I love that she's on the show. They play off each other perfectly.

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by Viola, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 7:44PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

I think that if someone hates Hope nothing will change their mind. She is Brooke's daughter and people hated her since the moment she was a teen.

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by hopeyougogirl, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 7:58PM (11 days ago) @ Viola

I think that if someone hates Hope nothing will change their mind. She is Brooke's daughter and people hated her since the moment she was a teen.

I think so too. Hope can save Kelly from a burning building and she will still be hated by some.

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by Viola, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 8:04PM (11 days ago) @ hopeyougogirl

I think that if someone hates Hope nothing will change their mind. She is Brooke's daughter and people hated her since the moment she was a teen.


I think so too. Hope can save Kelly from a burning building and she will still be hated by some.

It would be said that she did it to look good in Liam's eyes. :-D

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by Barbybo, Monday, February 11, 2019, 3:06AM (11 days ago) @ Viola

I think that if someone hates Hope nothing will change their mind. She is Brooke's daughter and people hated her since the moment she was a teen.


I think so too. Hope can save Kelly from a burning building and she will still be hated by some.


It would be said that she did it to look good in Liam's eyes. :-D

I don’t remember Hope as a teen I didn’t watch...if some hated her then what for? I can’t stand the character cause she’s hypocritical and boreing ...and she preaches gawd the message stuff zzzzz. But why was she hated as a teen..? Was she annoying even young girl? Viola scoop please

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by muppetfish @, Monday, February 11, 2019, 3:54AM (11 days ago) @ Barbybo

I think that if someone hates Hope nothing will change their mind. She is Brooke's daughter and people hated her since the moment she was a teen.


I think so too. Hope can save Kelly from a burning building and she will still be hated by some.


It would be said that she did it to look good in Liam's eyes. :-D


I don’t remember Hope as a teen I didn’t watch...if some hated her then what for? I can’t stand the character cause she’s hypocritical and boreing ...and she preaches gawd the message stuff zzzzz. But why was she hated as a teen..? Was she annoying even young girl? Viola scoop please

She became annoying imo when KM started to portray her, when she first came on as an intern in FC. Very entitled and condescending and it only went downhill from there - with her absolute lowpoint when Steffy lost her baby and the dating 2 brothers at the same time imo.

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by Viola, Monday, February 11, 2019, 5:42AM (10 days ago) @ muppetfish

I think that if someone hates Hope nothing will change their mind. She is Brooke's daughter and people hated her since the moment she was a teen.


I think so too. Hope can save Kelly from a burning building and she will still be hated by some.


It would be said that she did it to look good in Liam's eyes. :-D


I don’t remember Hope as a teen I didn’t watch...if some hated her then what for? I can’t stand the character cause she’s hypocritical and boreing ...and she preaches gawd the message stuff zzzzz. But why was she hated as a teen..? Was she annoying even young girl? Viola scoop please


She became annoying imo when KM started to portray her, when she first came on as an intern in FC. Very entitled and condescending and it only went downhill from there - with her absolute lowpoint when Steffy lost her baby and the dating 2 brothers at the same time imo.

lol so she wasn't annoying only as a toddler, right? :-D

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by muppetfish @, Monday, February 11, 2019, 6:11AM (10 days ago) @ Viola

I think that if someone hates Hope nothing will change their mind. She is Brooke's daughter and people hated her since the moment she was a teen.


I think so too. Hope can save Kelly from a burning building and she will still be hated by some.


It would be said that she did it to look good in Liam's eyes. :-D


I don’t remember Hope as a teen I didn’t watch...if some hated her then what for? I can’t stand the character cause she’s hypocritical and boreing ...and she preaches gawd the message stuff zzzzz. But why was she hated as a teen..? Was she annoying even young girl? Viola scoop please


She became annoying imo when KM started to portray her, when she first came on as an intern in FC. Very entitled and condescending and it only went downhill from there - with her absolute lowpoint when Steffy lost her baby and the dating 2 brothers at the same time imo.


lol so she wasn't annoying only as a toddler, right? :-D

Pretty much.

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by EmaU, Monday, February 11, 2019, 10:34AM (10 days ago) @ Viola

I think that if someone hates Hope nothing will change their mind. She is Brooke's daughter and people hated her since the moment she was a teen.


I think so too. Hope can save Kelly from a burning building and she will still be hated by some.


It would be said that she did it to look good in Liam's eyes. :-D


I don’t remember Hope as a teen I didn’t watch...if some hated her then what for? I can’t stand the character cause she’s hypocritical and boreing ...and she preaches gawd the message stuff zzzzz. But why was she hated as a teen..? Was she annoying even young girl? Viola scoop please


She became annoying imo when KM started to portray her, when she first came on as an intern in FC. Very entitled and condescending and it only went downhill from there - with her absolute lowpoint when Steffy lost her baby and the dating 2 brothers at the same time imo.


lol so she wasn't annoying only as a toddler, right? :-D

Little Hope was adorable for long bc she stayed little ...

She was not aged like the tridge kids ...

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by EmaU, Monday, February 11, 2019, 10:36AM (10 days ago) @ muppetfish

I think that if someone hates Hope nothing will change their mind. She is Brooke's daughter and people hated her since the moment she was a teen.


I think so too. Hope can save Kelly from a burning building and she will still be hated by some.


It would be said that she did it to look good in Liam's eyes. :-D


I don’t remember Hope as a teen I didn’t watch...if some hated her then what for? I can’t stand the character cause she’s hypocritical and boreing ...and she preaches gawd the message stuff zzzzz. But why was she hated as a teen..? Was she annoying even young girl? Viola scoop please


She became annoying imo when KM started to portray her, when she first came on as an intern in FC. Very entitled and condescending and it only went downhill from there - with her absolute lowpoint when Steffy lost her baby and the dating 2 brothers at the same time imo.

ICAM ... She was SNEAKY since she was aged
She came to mommy and aunty to get a job at FC because she KNEW it would upset Steffy

THEN she pretended to Ridge she didn't understand why Steffy wasnt't happy to see her in STEFFY's family company ...

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Twigs @, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 8:06PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.

I love the way they write Hope. It’s obvious she’s the heroine and Brad has actually SAID that she is, calling her “our young heroine”.

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Liam: I don't want Steffy. I want you!

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by Drangonfly, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 8:37PM (11 days ago) @ Twigs

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


I love the way they write Hope. It’s obvious she’s the heroine and Brad has actually SAID that she is, calling her “our young heroine”.

:love

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by Steamfan339 ⌂, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 10:11PM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly
edited by Steamfan339, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 10:16PM

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.

I have never considered Hope a bad person or a "selfish, heartless character" as you say. Is she a good, honest, decent woman with values and principles, I wouldn't go that far. But as someone else pointed out, most of the other women have more baggage than her.

My biggest problem with Hope is her hypocrisy, but more important the way she sees herself. She is walking with a halo over her head. She has never said she is flawless, but more than once she called herself a decent and honest person (one of the message of her line Hope For The Future, by the way) She thinks she is better than anyone else, she is put on a perdestal by everyone else and gets to criticize and judge everyone. I DON'T CARE if she is better than anyone else or not, it's not the point! But the fact than everyone (including Liam) worships her is what bothers me.
Worse, she thinks she is a catch and thinks it's normal several guys would fight over her. To me, that was obvious when she was caught between Liam and Wyatt. Wyatt, as much as I used to despise him (and still do), was loyal to her and ONLY loved her. Some would say he was even obsessed and would have done anything for her. As for Liam, he had hurt her too, but he made sincere apologies and she said she forgave him and had put everything behind her. She accepted his ring and said she was ready for a fresh start. If it was true, then why punish him and do the same thing to him in return? Revenge is low. The fact that he had hurt her with Steffy didn't give her the right to treat him and Wyatt even worse than Liam treated her. Not an excuse, sorry. She enjoyed being in the middle, she pitted them against each other and that made her happy. She did nothing to stop them. She waffled between them as long as they let her. (and I won't talk about the waffling or how she ended her marriage the day after she lost the baby) She has never wondered why 2 rich and handsome men would chase her and be so desperate to be with her. In her head, it was normal, because she is incredible . But she didn't care about how they felt nor how much she hurt them. In the end, I think she hurt Liam and Wyatt in a similar level as Liam hurt her and Steffy, the difference is she thought it was normal and enjoyed the attention. A good example, it was ok for her to have a fierce make out session with her option B a day before her wedding with Liam. She kept that from her future husband. But when she caught Liam discussing with Steffy in the cabin (they were just TALKING, for pete's sake), it was unforgivable and she had to put him though 3 months of apologizing and begging, until she decided he was good enough for her again. Another example is when she got the video tribute for Steffy. The only one who was cheating on the other was Hope, Liam was faithful but he got crucified for a video? She crucified him again because he was 2 minutes late meeting her in Paris. That shows how highly she thinks of herself. She always held Liam to impossible standards. Even before Wyatt came on the show, she always decided when Liam was good enough or not. Clearly for me, she sees herself as a very good person and a desirable woman, who couldn't care less that Liam and Wyatt were going through hell. Not a good look, IMO. Doesn't make her a bad person, but it makes her unrootworthy in my eyes.
For the record, I think this part is partly true for Liam as well, but in a much much less important way. Generally, he sees himself as a good person and has shown hypocrisy, but he isn't as hypocritical and goody-goody as she is. He has also called himself a fraud, a hypocrite and a flawed person, and said Steffy and Hope deserve better than him. He doesn't think he deserves better than Hope, he isn't a playboy like Ridge and Thomas for instance. And more important, I've never seen him pitting them against each other and enjoying being caught between them. At least according to the dialogues.

My other problem with Hope is she is just an annoying character. She isn't dreamy, she isn't complex or intriguing. It's always the same. Predictable, repetitive and dull. When I watch a scene with her, I don't fall asleep but I'm not firing up like I am for other characters. The storylines in which she is front and center have never impassionned me. I think she is a better person than characters like Bill, Ridge, Taylor or Sally for example, but those are more entertaining and rootworthy characters. If I had to meet someone between Hope or Bill, I would choose Hope (Bill would scare me, to be honest) but on B&B, I'd rather have Bill or even Sally as the star of a storyline. That has nothing to do with the actresses. I liked KM and I like AN very much, but the character bores me. I like her better than Quinn, Wyatt and Eric, but that's it.
Unless they completely rewrite Hope, I will always see her as simple and boring.

I won't even talk about Lope. The couple annoys me even more than Hope herself. I actually liked her a lot better than Oliver and Thomas, even Wyatt would be a better match for her. I still think Wyatt and Hope should be revisited. And Liam would have been much better with Sally (or even Ivy, another character I despised... I liked Hope better than Ivy but Livy had much more chemistry)

I am not comparing Hope and Steffy's personalities. This is a moot topic, and I'm done with the fan wars, (who is better, who is more gorgeous or who Liam loves the most, etc...). The 2 fan bases will never find an agreement or change their minds, and the debates don't lead anywhere. I don't care who has more principles and who is the bigger hypocrite. I like Steffy because of the chemistry between SC and JMW and the history between Steam, most of all. And because I think Steffy is everything but boring. She is a flawed but complex, strong, determined intriguing character. Good or bad, I can always root for her, no matter what's happening to her. I don't care about what she has done (or not done) 10 years ago, how many mistakes she has made or how many men she has bedded. I like the person she is now, and I think Bell sees her that way as well. A heroine, and his lead woman. Is she better than Hope or not, I don't care. She doesn't pretend she has principles and doesn't treat Liam like he is an object she can throw away and then snap her finger and he comes back. She has hurt him too, but she sincerely loves him. And she isn't boring at all. It's enough for me. :happy

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If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Sunday, February 10, 2019, 11:17PM (11 days ago) @ Steamfan339

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


I have never considered Hope a bad person or a "selfish, heartless character" as you say. Is she a good, honest, decent woman with values and principles, I wouldn't go that far. But as someone else pointed out, most of the other women have more baggage than her.

My biggest problem with Hope is her hypocrisy, but more important the way she sees herself. She is walking with a halo over her head. She has never said she is flawless, but more than once she called herself a decent and honest person (one of the message of her line Hope For The Future, by the way) She thinks she is better than anyone else, she is put on a perdestal by everyone else and gets to criticize and judge everyone. I DON'T CARE if she is better than anyone else or not, it's not the point! But the fact than everyone (including Liam) worships her is what bothers me.
Worse, she thinks she is a catch and thinks it's normal several guys would fight over her. To me, that was obvious when she was caught between Liam and Wyatt. Wyatt, as much as I used to despise him (and still do), was loyal to her and ONLY loved her. Some would say he was even obsessed and would have done anything for her. As for Liam, he had hurt her too, but he made sincere apologies and she said she forgave him and had put everything behind her. She accepted his ring and said she was ready for a fresh start. If it was true, then why punish him and do the same thing to him in return? Revenge is low. The fact that he had hurt her with Steffy didn't give her the right to treat him and Wyatt even worse than Liam treated her. Not an excuse, sorry. She enjoyed being in the middle, she pitted them against each other and that made her happy. She did nothing to stop them. She waffled between them as long as they let her. (and I won't talk about the waffling or how she ended her marriage the day after she lost the baby) She has never wondered why 2 rich and handsome men would chase her and be so desperate to be with her. In her head, it was normal, because she is incredible . But she didn't care about how they felt nor how much she hurt them. In the end, I think she hurt Liam and Wyatt in a similar level as Liam hurt her and Steffy, the difference is she thought it was normal and enjoyed the attention. A good example, it was ok for her to have a fierce make out session with her option B a day before her wedding with Liam. She kept that from her future husband. But when she caught Liam discussing with Steffy in the cabin (they were just TALKING, for pete's sake), it was unforgivable and she had to put him though 3 months of apologizing and begging, until she decided he was good enough for her again. Another example is when she got the video tribute for Steffy. The only one who was cheating on the other was Hope, Liam was faithful but he got crucified for a video? She crucified him again because he was 2 minutes late meeting her in Paris. That shows how highly she thinks of herself. She always held Liam to impossible standards. Even before Wyatt came on the show, she always decided when Liam was good enough or not. Clearly for me, she sees herself as a very good person and a desirable woman, who couldn't care less that Liam and Wyatt were going through hell. Not a good look, IMO. Doesn't make her a bad person, but it makes her unrootworthy in my eyes.
For the record, I think this part is partly true for Liam as well, but in a much much less important way. Generally, he sees himself as a good person and has shown hypocrisy, but he isn't as hypocritical and goody-goody as she is. He has also called himself a fraud, a hypocrite and a flawed person, and said Steffy and Hope deserve better than him. He doesn't think he deserves better than Hope, he isn't a playboy like Ridge and Thomas for instance. And more important, I've never seen him pitting them against each other and enjoying being caught between them. At least according to the dialogues.

My other problem with Hope is she is just an annoying character. She isn't dreamy, she isn't complex or intriguing. It's always the same. Predictable, repetitive and dull. When I watch a scene with her, I don't fall asleep but I'm not firing up like I am for other characters. The storylines in which she is front and center have never impassionned me. I think she is a better person than characters like Bill, Ridge, Taylor or Sally for example, but those are more entertaining and rootworthy characters. If I had to meet someone between Hope or Bill, I would choose Hope (Bill would scare me, to be honest) but on B&B, I'd rather have Bill or even Sally as the star of a storyline. That has nothing to do with the actresses. I liked KM and I like AN very much, but the character bores me. I like her better than Quinn, Wyatt and Eric, but that's it.
Unless they completely rewrite Hope, I will always see her as simple and boring.

I won't even talk about Lope. The couple annoys me even more than Hope herself. I actually liked her a lot better than Oliver and Thomas, even Wyatt would be a better match for her. I still think Wyatt and Hope should be revisited. And Liam would have been much better with Sally (or even Ivy, another character I despised... I liked Hope better than Ivy but Livy had much more chemistry)

I am not comparing Hope and Steffy's personalities. This is a moot topic, and I'm done with the fan wars, (who is better, who is more gorgeous or who Liam loves the most, etc...). The 2 fan bases will never find an agreement or change their minds, and the debates don't lead anywhere. I don't care who has more principles and who is the bigger hypocrite. I like Steffy because of the chemistry between SC and JMW and the history between Steam, most of all. And because I think Steffy is everything but boring. She is a flawed but complex, strong, determined intriguing character. Good or bad, I can always root for her, no matter what's happening to her. I don't care about what she has done (or not done) 10 years ago, how many mistakes she has made or how many men she has bedded. I like the person she is now, and I think Bell sees her that way as well. A heroine, and his lead woman. Is she better than Hope or not, I don't care. She doesn't pretend she has principles and doesn't treat Liam like he is an object she can throw away and then snap her finger and he comes back. She has hurt him too, but she sincerely loves him. And she isn't boring at all. It's enough for me. :happy

The way you feel about Steffy is the same way I feel about Brooke. Brooke has done some absolutely horrible things, but I don't care and I don't look to make excuses for her. I root for her because I like her, flaws and all. :cool

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Lea, Monday, February 11, 2019, 12:05AM (11 days ago) @ Steamfan339

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


I have never considered Hope a bad person or a "selfish, heartless character" as you say. Is she a good, honest, decent woman with values and principles, I wouldn't go that far. But as someone else pointed out, most of the other women have more baggage than her.

My biggest problem with Hope is her hypocrisy, but more important the way she sees herself. She is walking with a halo over her head. She has never said she is flawless, but more than once she called herself a decent and honest person (one of the message of her line Hope For The Future, by the way) She thinks she is better than anyone else, she is put on a perdestal by everyone else and gets to criticize and judge everyone. I DON'T CARE if she is better than anyone else or not, it's not the point! But the fact than everyone (including Liam) worships her is what bothers me.
Worse, she thinks she is a catch and thinks it's normal several guys would fight over her. To me, that was obvious when she was caught between Liam and Wyatt. Wyatt, as much as I used to despise him (and still do), was loyal to her and ONLY loved her. Some would say he was even obsessed and would have done anything for her. As for Liam, he had hurt her too, but he made sincere apologies and she said she forgave him and had put everything behind her. She accepted his ring and said she was ready for a fresh start. If it was true, then why punish him and do the same thing to him in return? Revenge is low. The fact that he had hurt her with Steffy didn't give her the right to treat him and Wyatt even worse than Liam treated her. Not an excuse, sorry. She enjoyed being in the middle, she pitted them against each other and that made her happy. She did nothing to stop them. She waffled between them as long as they let her. (and I won't talk about the waffling or how she ended her marriage the day after she lost the baby) She has never wondered why 2 rich and handsome men would chase her and be so desperate to be with her. In her head, it was normal, because she is incredible . But she didn't care about how they felt nor how much she hurt them. In the end, I think she hurt Liam and Wyatt in a similar level as Liam hurt her and Steffy, the difference is she thought it was normal and enjoyed the attention. A good example, it was ok for her to have a fierce make out session with her option B a day before her wedding with Liam. She kept that from her future husband. But when she caught Liam discussing with Steffy in the cabin (they were just TALKING, for pete's sake), it was unforgivable and she had to put him though 3 months of apologizing and begging, until she decided he was good enough for her again. Another example is when she got the video tribute for Steffy. The only one who was cheating on the other was Hope, Liam was faithful but he got crucified for a video? She crucified him again because he was 2 minutes late meeting her in Paris. That shows how highly she thinks of herself. She always held Liam to impossible standards. Even before Wyatt came on the show, she always decided when Liam was good enough or not. Clearly for me, she sees herself as a very good person and a desirable woman, who couldn't care less that Liam and Wyatt were going through hell. Not a good look, IMO. Doesn't make her a bad person, but it makes her unrootworthy in my eyes.
For the record, I think this part is partly true for Liam as well, but in a much much less important way. Generally, he sees himself as a good person and has shown hypocrisy, but he isn't as hypocritical and goody-goody as she is. He has also called himself a fraud, a hypocrite and a flawed person, and said Steffy and Hope deserve better than him. He doesn't think he deserves better than Hope, he isn't a playboy like Ridge and Thomas for instance. And more important, I've never seen him pitting them against each other and enjoying being caught between them. At least according to the dialogues.

My other problem with Hope is she is just an annoying character. She isn't dreamy, she isn't complex or intriguing. It's always the same. Predictable, repetitive and dull. When I watch a scene with her, I don't fall asleep but I'm not firing up like I am for other characters. The storylines in which she is front and center have never impassionned me. I think she is a better person than characters like Bill, Ridge, Taylor or Sally for example, but those are more entertaining and rootworthy characters. If I had to meet someone between Hope or Bill, I would choose Hope (Bill would scare me, to be honest) but on B&B, I'd rather have Bill or even Sally as the star of a storyline. That has nothing to do with the actresses. I liked KM and I like AN very much, but the character bores me. I like her better than Quinn, Wyatt and Eric, but that's it.
Unless they completely rewrite Hope, I will always see her as simple and boring.

I won't even talk about Lope. The couple annoys me even more than Hope herself. I actually liked her a lot better than Oliver and Thomas, even Wyatt would be a better match for her. I still think Wyatt and Hope should be revisited. And Liam would have been much better with Sally (or even Ivy, another character I despised... I liked Hope better than Ivy but Livy had much more chemistry)

I am not comparing Hope and Steffy's personalities. This is a moot topic, and I'm done with the fan wars, (who is better, who is more gorgeous or who Liam loves the most, etc...). The 2 fan bases will never find an agreement or change their minds, and the debates don't lead anywhere. I don't care who has more principles and who is the bigger hypocrite. I like Steffy because of the chemistry between SC and JMW and the history between Steam, most of all. And because I think Steffy is everything but boring. She is a flawed but complex, strong, determined intriguing character. Good or bad, I can always root for her, no matter what's happening to her. I don't care about what she has done (or not done) 10 years ago, how many mistakes she has made or how many men she has bedded. I like the person she is now, and I think Bell sees her that way as well. A heroine, and his lead woman. Is she better than Hope or not, I don't care. She doesn't pretend she has principles and doesn't treat Liam like he is an object she can throw away and then snap her finger and he comes back. She has hurt him too, but she sincerely loves him. And she isn't boring at all. It's enough for me. :happy

I agree with pretty much everything you said about Hope/Lope, though I dislike Steffy/Leffy even more. They both annoy me. I wouldn't miss them for a second if they disappeared off screen together and they gave Liam another woman.

The only female heroine for me has always been Brooke. And now Sally.

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If Brad Bell was asked...

by muppetfish @, Monday, February 11, 2019, 3:35AM (11 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.

If you're not asking for our opinion, I suggest you write to the writers themselves and ask them.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Monday, February 11, 2019, 8:32AM (10 days ago) @ muppetfish

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


If you're not asking for our opinion, I suggest you write to the writers themselves and ask them.

Jeez. I didn't say I'm not asking for your opinion. I was asking for your opinion on how you think the WRITERS try to portray Hope as opposed to your PERSONAL opinion of the character.

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If Brad Bell was asked...

by muppetfish @, Monday, February 11, 2019, 8:48AM (10 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


If you're not asking for our opinion, I suggest you write to the writers themselves and ask them.


Jeez. I didn't say I'm not asking for your opinion. I was asking for your opinion on how you think the WRITERS try to portray Hope as opposed to your PERSONAL opinion of the character.

I don't like to speak for other people, only for myself.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Monday, February 11, 2019, 8:57AM (10 days ago) @ muppetfish

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


If you're not asking for our opinion, I suggest you write to the writers themselves and ask them.


Jeez. I didn't say I'm not asking for your opinion. I was asking for your opinion on how you think the WRITERS try to portray Hope as opposed to your PERSONAL opinion of the character.


I don't like to speak for other people, only for myself.

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If Brad Bell was asked...

by mglass, Monday, February 11, 2019, 6:00PM (10 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.

I always thought she was written as the good girl - that is why her actions/words after steffy lost her baby upset me so much -
I think she is written more good than bad -

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Monday, February 11, 2019, 7:33PM (10 days ago) @ mglass

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


I always thought she was written as the good girl - that is why her actions/words after steffy lost her baby upset me so much -
I think she is written more good than bad -

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If Brad Bell was asked...

by angry gal ⌂, Melbourne AUS, Monday, February 11, 2019, 6:33PM (10 days ago) @ Drangonfly

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.

The writers have written Hope as the young heroine of the show as Bell has also said many times when interviewed . So I believe that she is the good of the two and will always be written this way.

If Brad Bell was asked...

by Drangonfly, Monday, February 11, 2019, 7:36PM (10 days ago) @ angry gal

...how the character of Hope Logan was written, what do you think he would say? Would he say she's written as a selfish, heartless character? Or as the good girl of the show? Because if this character is supposed to be heartless, then why all of the dialogue of how she's a good person? How she radiates goodness? Liam always telling her that her goodness is what attracts him to her?

And specifically, in the scene where Liam goes to see Hope after Steffy's baby died, do you think Bell and his writers were trying to tell the viewers that Hope is a terrible person that was taking advantage of the baby's death? Was that the narrative of the story line? Or was it a plot point for Hope to tell Liam that she wanted to restart their life together and needed to tell him that before he got Steffy pregnant again, as Taylor told Hope was going to happen?

I'm not asking what your personal opinion of Hope is. I'm wondering what you think the WRITERS are trying to put forth as the character of Hope.


The writers have written Hope as the young heroine of the show as Bell has also said many times when interviewed . So I believe that she is the good of the two and will always be written this way.

I think so too. And AN's Hope even more so. KM's Hope was also the good girl but I thought she had more of a sassy attitude at times than AN's Hope.

I'm just glad the character is back. I think the Hope and Steffy dynamic is very good for the show.

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