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Steffy could end this whole mess. (General Discussion)

by Drangonfly, Friday, February 14, 2020, 8:21AM (5 days ago)

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by amethyst, Friday, February 14, 2020, 8:38AM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.

So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted with Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back she will never tell him the truth! Same old Steffy!

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Drangonfly, Friday, February 14, 2020, 8:39AM (5 days ago) @ amethyst

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!

Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 9:31AM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.

How can two people be so dumb ...you hit nail on head ..they are stupid...liam married Steffy what three times ..lope had so many failures too stupid to just move on.....liam is happy with either he’s just a jerk

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Viola, Friday, February 14, 2020, 9:41AM (5 days ago) @ Barbybo

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


How can two people be so dumb ...you hit nail on head ..they are stupid...liam married Steffy what three times ..lope had so many failures too stupid to just move on.....liam is happy with either he’s just a jerk

Imo nobody is more stupid than people who want to force relationships with people who would rather be with somebody else and lie to get it.

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:43AM (5 days ago) @ Viola

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


How can two people be so dumb ...you hit nail on head ..they are stupid...liam married Steffy what three times ..lope had so many failures too stupid to just move on.....liam is happy with either he’s just a jerk


Imo nobody is more stupid than people who want to force relationships with people who would rather be with somebody else and lie to get it.

I doubt anyone would want their daughter with a liam...

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by muppetfish @, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:01AM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.

So manipulative of steffy to advise hope not to annul Liam and marry Thomas all of last year.Of course she knew hope would do the exact opposite of whatever steffy and Brooke would advise her... Not to mention it was steffy that killed Caroline so Thomas would return to make hope doug's new Mommy. So cunning!

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by PatriotGirl @, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:04AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


So manipulative of steffy to advise hope not to annul Liam and marry Thomas all of last year.Of course she knew hope would do the exact opposite of whatever steffy and Brooke would advise her... Not to mention it was steffy that killed Caroline so Thomas would return to make hope doug's new Mommy. So cunning!

You nailed it! That darn Steffy! :lol :lol

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by muppetfish @, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:06AM (5 days ago) @ PatriotGirl

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


So manipulative of steffy to advise hope not to annul Liam and marry Thomas all of last year.Of course she knew hope would do the exact opposite of whatever steffy and Brooke would advise her... Not to mention it was steffy that killed Caroline so Thomas would return to make hope doug's new Mommy. So cunning!


You nailed it! That darn Steffy! :lol :lol

Well, if steffy is the puppet master, it would explain hope's sawdust for brains :lol

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by PatriotGirl @, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:07AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


So manipulative of steffy to advise hope not to annul Liam and marry Thomas all of last year.Of course she knew hope would do the exact opposite of whatever steffy and Brooke would advise her... Not to mention it was steffy that killed Caroline so Thomas would return to make hope doug's new Mommy. So cunning!


You nailed it! That darn Steffy! :lol :lol


Well, if steffy is the puppet master, it would explain hope's sawdust for brains :lol

:rofl :rofl

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:49AM (5 days ago) @ PatriotGirl

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


So manipulative of steffy to advise hope not to annul Liam and marry Thomas all of last year.Of course she knew hope would do the exact opposite of whatever steffy and Brooke would advise her... Not to mention it was steffy that killed Caroline so Thomas would return to make hope doug's new Mommy. So cunning!


You nailed it! That darn Steffy! :lol :lol


Well, if steffy is the puppet master, it would explain hope's sawdust for brains :lol


:rofl :rofl

This new Hope is beyond dumb

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by EnuffAlready, Texas, Friday, February 14, 2020, 11:20AM (5 days ago) @ Barbybo

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


So manipulative of steffy to advise hope not to annul Liam and marry Thomas all of last year.Of course she knew hope would do the exact opposite of whatever steffy and Brooke would advise her... Not to mention it was steffy that killed Caroline so Thomas would return to make hope doug's new Mommy. So cunning!


You nailed it! That darn Steffy! :lol :lol


Well, if steffy is the puppet master, it would explain hope's sawdust for brains :lol


:rofl :rofl


This new Hope is beyond dumb

She sure is, and Hope the Mope seems to get dumber every day!

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:29PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


So manipulative of steffy to advise hope not to annul Liam and marry Thomas all of last year.Of course she knew hope would do the exact opposite of whatever steffy and Brooke would advise her... Not to mention it was steffy that killed Caroline so Thomas would return to make hope doug's new Mommy. So cunning!


You nailed it! That darn Steffy! :lol :lol


Well, if steffy is the puppet master, it would explain hope's sawdust for brains :lol

You’ve cracked the code! This explains so much ... :rofl

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by EnuffAlready, Texas, Friday, February 14, 2020, 11:14AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


So manipulative of steffy to advise hope not to annul Liam and marry Thomas all of last year.Of course she knew hope would do the exact opposite of whatever steffy and Brooke would advise her... Not to mention it was steffy that killed Caroline so Thomas would return to make hope doug's new Mommy. So cunning!

That darn Steffy! How dare she be manipulating Lope for ten years!

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 12:58PM (5 days ago) @ EnuffAlready

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


So manipulative of steffy to advise hope not to annul Liam and marry Thomas all of last year.Of course she knew hope would do the exact opposite of whatever steffy and Brooke would advise her... Not to mention it was steffy that killed Caroline so Thomas would return to make hope doug's new Mommy. So cunning!


That darn Steffy! How dare she be manipulating Lope for ten years!

Omg these two idiots can’t make a go after ten years that’s gotta be a Guinness record for stupid..

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by harper1, Friday, February 14, 2020, 11:34AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


So manipulative of steffy to advise hope not to annul Liam and marry Thomas all of last year.Of course she knew hope would do the exact opposite of whatever steffy and Brooke would advise her... Not to mention it was steffy that killed Caroline so Thomas would return to make hope doug's new Mommy. So cunning!

:lol Not to mention that Lope couldn't make it when Steffy wasn't even around. That statement sums up a lot of why I hate Lope SO much. Nothing is ever their fault.

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by EnuffAlready, Texas, Friday, February 14, 2020, 11:39AM (5 days ago) @ harper1

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


So manipulative of steffy to advise hope not to annul Liam and marry Thomas all of last year.Of course she knew hope would do the exact opposite of whatever steffy and Brooke would advise her... Not to mention it was steffy that killed Caroline so Thomas would return to make hope doug's new Mommy. So cunning!


:lol Not to mention that Lope couldn't make it when Steffy wasn't even around. That statement sums up a lot of why I hate Lope SO much. Nothing is ever their fault.

Well, certainly not Hope the Mope's fault. She's so perfect. :oops

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:04PM (5 days ago) @ EnuffAlready

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


So manipulative of steffy to advise hope not to annul Liam and marry Thomas all of last year.Of course she knew hope would do the exact opposite of whatever steffy and Brooke would advise her... Not to mention it was steffy that killed Caroline so Thomas would return to make hope doug's new Mommy. So cunning!


:lol Not to mention that Lope couldn't make it when Steffy wasn't even around. That statement sums up a lot of why I hate Lope SO much. Nothing is ever their fault.


Well, certainly not Hope the Mope's fault. She's so perfect. :oops

Is there a mope emmy...Hope would win hands down pitiful character:tv4

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by EnuffAlready, Texas, Friday, February 14, 2020, 4:18PM (4 days ago) @ Barbybo

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


So manipulative of steffy to advise hope not to annul Liam and marry Thomas all of last year.Of course she knew hope would do the exact opposite of whatever steffy and Brooke would advise her... Not to mention it was steffy that killed Caroline so Thomas would return to make hope doug's new Mommy. So cunning!


:lol Not to mention that Lope couldn't make it when Steffy wasn't even around. That statement sums up a lot of why I hate Lope SO much. Nothing is ever their fault.


Well, certainly not Hope the Mope's fault. She's so perfect. :oops


Is there a mope emmy...Hope would win hands down pitiful character:tv4

I think there should be a "worst wardrobe" category and Hope would most likely win that one hands down! I don't remember any girl on the show (where fashion is the core of B&B!) wearing such tacky clothes as this Hope. Original Hope was always dressed so well!

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by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 7:03PM (4 days ago) @ EnuffAlready

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


So manipulative of steffy to advise hope not to annul Liam and marry Thomas all of last year.Of course she knew hope would do the exact opposite of whatever steffy and Brooke would advise her... Not to mention it was steffy that killed Caroline so Thomas would return to make hope doug's new Mommy. So cunning!


:lol Not to mention that Lope couldn't make it when Steffy wasn't even around. That statement sums up a lot of why I hate Lope SO much. Nothing is ever their fault.


Well, certainly not Hope the Mope's fault. She's so perfect. :oops


Is there a mope emmy...Hope would win hands down pitiful character:tv4


I think there should be a "worst wardrobe" category and Hope would most likely win that one hands down! I don't remember any girl on the show (where fashion is the core of B&B!) wearing such tacky clothes as this Hope. Original Hope was always dressed so well!

The pink fluffy number tell me she wasn’t like Nellie on little house on prarie:lol. All she needed was a lollipop and ribbon in her hair.....the prarie character

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:00PM (5 days ago) @ harper1

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted wirh Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back sge will never tell him the truth!


Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


So manipulative of steffy to advise hope not to annul Liam and marry Thomas all of last year.Of course she knew hope would do the exact opposite of whatever steffy and Brooke would advise her... Not to mention it was steffy that killed Caroline so Thomas would return to make hope doug's new Mommy. So cunning!


:lol Not to mention that Lope couldn't make it when Steffy wasn't even around. That statement sums up a lot of why I hate Lope SO much. Nothing is ever their fault.

Time for a lope cation....off our screens

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Bystander07, Friday, February 14, 2020, 5:55PM (4 days ago) @ muppetfish

This does not change the fact that Steffy was supposed to be helping Liam to see if Thomas was still dangerously obsessed with Hope and instead of being honest and telling Liam the truth she jumped on the let me team up with my psycho brother band wagon so I can get what I want whether other people get hurt or are in danger or not....Sorry you can't excuse that kind of behavior especially when her little innocent nephew is involved..
SMH:roll

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Drangonfly, Friday, February 14, 2020, 6:43PM (4 days ago) @ Bystander07

This does not change the fact that Steffy was supposed to be helping Liam to see if Thomas was still dangerously obsessed with Hope and instead of being honest and telling Liam the truth she jumped on the let me team up with my psycho brother band wagon so I can get what I want whether other people get hurt or are in danger or not....Sorry you can't excuse that kind of behavior especially when her little innocent nephew is involved..
SMH:roll

Thank you. That's exactly what I meant. Steffy could end this whole thing just by telling what she knows. And it could save people from being hurt, including little Douglas. It's just so selfish of her to keep this secret.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 7:05PM (4 days ago) @ Drangonfly

This does not change the fact that Steffy was supposed to be helping Liam to see if Thomas was still dangerously obsessed with Hope and instead of being honest and telling Liam the truth she jumped on the let me team up with my psycho brother band wagon so I can get what I want whether other people get hurt or are in danger or not....Sorry you can't excuse that kind of behavior especially when her little innocent nephew is involved..
SMH:roll


Thank you. That's exactly what I meant. Steffy could end this whole thing just by telling what she knows. And it could save people from being hurt, including little Douglas. It's just so selfish of her to keep this secret.

Liam walked out seems that’s over looked

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by PatriotGirl @, Friday, February 14, 2020, 7:41PM (4 days ago) @ Barbybo

This does not change the fact that Steffy was supposed to be helping Liam to see if Thomas was still dangerously obsessed with Hope and instead of being honest and telling Liam the truth she jumped on the let me team up with my psycho brother band wagon so I can get what I want whether other people get hurt or are in danger or not....Sorry you can't excuse that kind of behavior especially when her little innocent nephew is involved..
SMH:roll


Thank you. That's exactly what I meant. Steffy could end this whole thing just by telling what she knows. And it could save people from being hurt, including little Douglas. It's just so selfish of her to keep this secret.


Liam walked out seems that’s over looked

Yes, it is overlooked and shouldn’t be. No one forced him to leave and go straight to Steffy’s.

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by Drangonfly, Friday, February 14, 2020, 7:59PM (4 days ago) @ PatriotGirl

This does not change the fact that Steffy was supposed to be helping Liam to see if Thomas was still dangerously obsessed with Hope and instead of being honest and telling Liam the truth she jumped on the let me team up with my psycho brother band wagon so I can get what I want whether other people get hurt or are in danger or not....Sorry you can't excuse that kind of behavior especially when her little innocent nephew is involved..
SMH:roll


Thank you. That's exactly what I meant. Steffy could end this whole thing just by telling what she knows. And it could save people from being hurt, including little Douglas. It's just so selfish of her to keep this secret.


Liam walked out seems that’s over looked


Yes, it is overlooked and shouldn’t be. No one forced him to leave and go straight to Steffy’s.

It's not overlooked. Liam did what Liam did and Steffy did what Steffy did. Liam kissed Steffy back. That's what he's responsible for. Steffy manipulated with Thomas and is keeping the secret of that deception to herself when telling Ridge about it would stop people from being hurt...some of whom are her family members.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 12:51AM (4 days ago) @ Drangonfly

This does not change the fact that Steffy was supposed to be helping Liam to see if Thomas was still dangerously obsessed with Hope and instead of being honest and telling Liam the truth she jumped on the let me team up with my psycho brother band wagon so I can get what I want whether other people get hurt or are in danger or not....Sorry you can't excuse that kind of behavior especially when her little innocent nephew is involved..
SMH:roll


Thank you. That's exactly what I meant. Steffy could end this whole thing just by telling what she knows. And it could save people from being hurt, including little Douglas. It's just so selfish of her to keep this secret.


Liam walked out seems that’s over looked


Yes, it is overlooked and shouldn’t be. No one forced him to leave and go straight to Steffy’s.


It's not overlooked. Liam did what Liam did and Steffy did what Steffy did. Liam kissed Steffy back. That's what he's responsible for. Steffy manipulated with Thomas and is keeping the secret of that deception to herself when telling Ridge about it would stop people from being hurt...some of whom are her family members.

Zoe’s single Hopes single tom can date both ..Hopes used to sharing anyway

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 9:46PM (4 days ago) @ PatriotGirl

This does not change the fact that Steffy was supposed to be helping Liam to see if Thomas was still dangerously obsessed with Hope and instead of being honest and telling Liam the truth she jumped on the let me team up with my psycho brother band wagon so I can get what I want whether other people get hurt or are in danger or not....Sorry you can't excuse that kind of behavior especially when her little innocent nephew is involved..
SMH:roll


Thank you. That's exactly what I meant. Steffy could end this whole thing just by telling what she knows. And it could save people from being hurt, including little Douglas. It's just so selfish of her to keep this secret.


Liam walked out seems that’s over looked


Yes, it is overlooked and shouldn’t be. No one forced him to leave and go straight to Steffy’s.

Ah he needed a swim:lol

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Bystander07, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 8:33AM (4 days ago) @ PatriotGirl

No it's not over looked but it has nothing to do with Steffy lying and teaming up with Thomas to cover the fact that he's still obsessed with hope....Thomas has already proven he's dangerous, even to his own son..non of this has anything to do with liam walking out because he couldn't man up for a change.

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by Drangonfly, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 10:20AM (4 days ago) @ Bystander07

No it's not over looked but it has nothing to do with Steffy lying and teaming up with Thomas to cover the fact that he's still obsessed with hope....Thomas has already proven he's dangerous, even to his own son..non of this has anything to do with liam walking out because he couldn't man up for a change.

Yeah, I don't get that. Just because Hope and Liam had a disagreement about Douglas, which they may even have reached a compromise on eventually, doesn't excuse what Steffy did.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Bystander07, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 8:27AM (4 days ago) @ Barbybo

And so that excuses Steffy...one thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other...if Liams an ass thats on him but Steffy lying for her crazy brother because it benefits her Is on Her!!!

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 7:06PM (4 days ago) @ Bystander07

This does not change the fact that Steffy was supposed to be helping Liam to see if Thomas was still dangerously obsessed with Hope and instead of being honest and telling Liam the truth she jumped on the let me team up with my psycho brother band wagon so I can get what I want whether other people get hurt or are in danger or not....Sorry you can't excuse that kind of behavior especially when her little innocent nephew is involved..
SMH:roll

The Hope mommy kid wants Thope he will be very happy

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by mutzi, Friday, February 14, 2020, 5:06PM (4 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.

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If I admit that Steffy has manipulated Hope (and I think it goes both ways, Hope manipulates as well), how does that let Liam off the hook for responsibility? I don't care who Liam "loves more" as it is obviously himself and he gets off on these games and the women's competition. For ten years, he has put up with Steffy's so-called manipulations and continues to go back to her when the mood strikes him or when he and Hope throw tantrums with each other. He has even married her more than once. You know the old saying: "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me". Liam either enjoys being manipulated by both women or he is quite simply the stupidest creature on our green earth.

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by MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, Friday, February 14, 2020, 5:09PM (4 days ago) @ mutzi

Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


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If I admit that Steffy has manipulated Hope (and I think it goes both ways, Hope manipulates as well), how does that let Liam off the hook for responsibility? I don't care who Liam "loves more" as it is obviously himself and he gets off on these games and the women's competition. For ten years, he has put up with Steffy's so-called manipulations and continues to go back to her when the mood strikes him or when he and Hope throw tantrums with each other. He has even married her more than once. You know the old saying: "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me". Liam either enjoys being manipulated by both women or he is quite simply the stupidest creature on our green earth.

Post of the day. Heck, post of the whole dang month. :star :star :star

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by mutzi, Friday, February 14, 2020, 5:10PM (4 days ago) @ MsBold

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by Drangonfly, Friday, February 14, 2020, 5:28PM (4 days ago) @ mutzi

Exactly. She's been manipulating Hope and Liam for ten years now.


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If I admit that Steffy has manipulated Hope (and I think it goes both ways, Hope manipulates as well), how does that let Liam off the hook for responsibility? I don't care who Liam "loves more" as it is obviously himself and he gets off on these games and the women's competition. For ten years, he has put up with Steffy's so-called manipulations and continues to go back to her when the mood strikes him or when he and Hope throw tantrums with each other. He has even married her more than once. You know the old saying: "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me". Liam either enjoys being manipulated by both women or he is quite simply the stupidest creature on our green earth.

I've not defended Liam. That's a whole different topic.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:48AM (5 days ago) @ amethyst

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted with Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back she will never tell him the truth! Same old Steffy!

Oh and last year Hope was stalking liam in that flea bitten cheapo hotel knocking steffy

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by cranberryboy, Friday, February 14, 2020, 11:27AM (5 days ago) @ amethyst

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted with Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back she will never tell him the truth! Same old Steffy!

And did Hope tell Liam the truth when she was scheming to take custody away from Thomas? Same old Hope!

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by EnuffAlready, Texas, Friday, February 14, 2020, 11:38AM (5 days ago) @ cranberryboy

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted with Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back she will never tell him the truth! Same old Steffy!


And did Hope tell Liam the truth when she was scheming to take custody away from Thomas? Same old Hope!

Yup! Same old honest(?), holier than thou, Hope.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:07PM (5 days ago) @ EnuffAlready

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted with Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back she will never tell him the truth! Same old Steffy!


And did Hope tell Liam the truth when she was scheming to take custody away from Thomas? Same old Hope!


Yup! Same old honest(?), holier than thou, Hope.

Hope mopes liam surfs:lol

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:02PM (5 days ago) @ cranberryboy

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted with Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back she will never tell him the truth! Same old Steffy!


And did Hope tell Liam the truth when she was scheming to take custody away from Thomas? Same old Hope!

Yea sneeky ain’t she now she will be toms new squeeze

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by MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:31PM (5 days ago) @ cranberryboy

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


So true! And to think just two year ago Hope and Liam were sharing Valentines candy together because Liam was absolutely disgusted with Steffy having sex wirh his father. Now she has the upper hand in manipulating to get Liam back she will never tell him the truth! Same old Steffy!


And did Hope tell Liam the truth when she was scheming to take custody away from Thomas? Same old Hope!

Pretty much! :lol

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 9:25AM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.

The kiss was just a cherry on top your forgetting liam left cause he didn’t want tom in their lives ...Hope didn’t adopt kid liam would still be there......but of course it’s Steffys fault the usual...liam and Hope never last I don’t know why they rewash this boreing couple and the kids now mommy Hope is now annoying...liams surfing rent free Hopes starting to dig Thomas ....

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by Viola, Friday, February 14, 2020, 9:27AM (5 days ago) @ Barbybo

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


The kiss was just a cherry on top your forgetting liam left cause he didn’t want tom in their lives ...

Tom and Steffy both are schemers.

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by mutzi, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:21AM (5 days ago) @ Viola

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


The kiss was just a cherry on top your forgetting liam left cause he didn’t want tom in their lives ...


Tom and Steffy both are schemers.

So is Hope and I used to like Hope and Steffy. Now, I don't see why anyone would like either of them. But you don't think Hope schemed to get Thomas to share Douglas' custody with her? You don't call it scheming that Hope pursued the custody knowing Liam didn't want it and just assumed he would accept it when it was a done deal? Thomas, Steffy and Hope are all schemers and Liam probably would be as well if he wasn't so freakin' lazy and just looking for a place to crash. (He doesn't even have to scheme for that; he can just boomerang between his two doormats, Hope and Steffy. And, please, no one suggest Hope isn't Liam's doormat just like Steffy. Give her a little time and she will do anything to get him back. That is just the way this triangle rolls.)

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by Viola, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:33AM (5 days ago) @ mutzi

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


The kiss was just a cherry on top your forgetting liam left cause he didn’t want tom in their lives ...


Tom and Steffy both are schemers.


So is Hope and I used to like Hope and Steffy. Now, I don't see why anyone would like either of them. But you don't think Hope schemed to get Thomas to share Douglas' custody with her? You don't call it scheming that Hope pursued the custody knowing Liam didn't want it and just assumed he would accept it when it was a done deal? Thomas, Steffy and Hope are all schemers and Liam probably would be as well if he wasn't so freakin' lazy and just looking for a place to crash. (He doesn't even have to scheme for that; he can just boomerang between his two doormats, Hope and Steffy. And, please, no one suggest Hope isn't Liam's doormat just like Steffy. Give her a little time and she will do anything to get him back. That is just the way this triangle rolls.)

No.

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by mutzi, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:37AM (5 days ago) @ Viola

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


The kiss was just a cherry on top your forgetting liam left cause he didn’t want tom in their lives ...


Tom and Steffy both are schemers.


So is Hope and I used to like Hope and Steffy. Now, I don't see why anyone would like either of them. But you don't think Hope schemed to get Thomas to share Douglas' custody with her? You don't call it scheming that Hope pursued the custody knowing Liam didn't want it and just assumed he would accept it when it was a done deal? Thomas, Steffy and Hope are all schemers and Liam probably would be as well if he wasn't so freakin' lazy and just looking for a place to crash. (He doesn't even have to scheme for that; he can just boomerang between his two doormats, Hope and Steffy. And, please, no one suggest Hope isn't Liam's doormat just like Steffy. Give her a little time and she will do anything to get him back. That is just the way this triangle rolls.)


No.

:roll That's your proof or rebuttal? Yes, Hope is a schemer.

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by EnuffAlready, Texas, Friday, February 14, 2020, 12:08PM (5 days ago) @ mutzi

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


The kiss was just a cherry on top your forgetting liam left cause he didn’t want tom in their lives ...


Tom and Steffy both are schemers.


So is Hope and I used to like Hope and Steffy. Now, I don't see why anyone would like either of them. But you don't think Hope schemed to get Thomas to share Douglas' custody with her? You don't call it scheming that Hope pursued the custody knowing Liam didn't want it and just assumed he would accept it when it was a done deal? Thomas, Steffy and Hope are all schemers and Liam probably would be as well if he wasn't so freakin' lazy and just looking for a place to crash. (He doesn't even have to scheme for that; he can just boomerang between his two doormats, Hope and Steffy. And, please, no one suggest Hope isn't Liam's doormat just like Steffy. Give her a little time and she will do anything to get him back. That is just the way this triangle rolls.)


No.


:roll That's your proof or rebuttal? Yes, Hope is a schemer.

Hope certainly IS a schemer. I really don't see how the way she got Thomas to give her shared custody (and when she KNEW that Liam didn't want it) could be considered anything else but scheming.

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by mutzi, Friday, February 14, 2020, 12:10PM (5 days ago) @ EnuffAlready

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


The kiss was just a cherry on top your forgetting liam left cause he didn’t want tom in their lives ...


Tom and Steffy both are schemers.


So is Hope and I used to like Hope and Steffy. Now, I don't see why anyone would like either of them. But you don't think Hope schemed to get Thomas to share Douglas' custody with her? You don't call it scheming that Hope pursued the custody knowing Liam didn't want it and just assumed he would accept it when it was a done deal? Thomas, Steffy and Hope are all schemers and Liam probably would be as well if he wasn't so freakin' lazy and just looking for a place to crash. (He doesn't even have to scheme for that; he can just boomerang between his two doormats, Hope and Steffy. And, please, no one suggest Hope isn't Liam's doormat just like Steffy. Give her a little time and she will do anything to get him back. That is just the way this triangle rolls.)


No.


:roll That's your proof or rebuttal? Yes, Hope is a schemer.


Hope certainly IS a schemer. I really don't see how the way she got Thomas to give her shared custody (and when she KNEW that Liam didn't want it) could be considered anything else but scheming.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:08PM (5 days ago) @ mutzi

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


The kiss was just a cherry on top your forgetting liam left cause he didn’t want tom in their lives ...


Tom and Steffy both are schemers.


So is Hope and I used to like Hope and Steffy. Now, I don't see why anyone would like either of them. But you don't think Hope schemed to get Thomas to share Douglas' custody with her? You don't call it scheming that Hope pursued the custody knowing Liam didn't want it and just assumed he would accept it when it was a done deal? Thomas, Steffy and Hope are all schemers and Liam probably would be as well if he wasn't so freakin' lazy and just looking for a place to crash. (He doesn't even have to scheme for that; he can just boomerang between his two doormats, Hope and Steffy. And, please, no one suggest Hope isn't Liam's doormat just like Steffy. Give her a little time and she will do anything to get him back. That is just the way this triangle rolls.)


No.


:roll That's your proof or rebuttal? Yes, Hope is a schemer.


Hope certainly IS a schemer. I really don't see how the way she got Thomas to give her shared custody (and when she KNEW that Liam didn't want it) could be considered anything else but scheming.


:cool

Oh that kid says mommy Hope one more time:puke

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by harper1, Friday, February 14, 2020, 12:23PM (5 days ago) @ EnuffAlready

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


The kiss was just a cherry on top your forgetting liam left cause he didn’t want tom in their lives ...


Tom and Steffy both are schemers.


So is Hope and I used to like Hope and Steffy. Now, I don't see why anyone would like either of them. But you don't think Hope schemed to get Thomas to share Douglas' custody with her? You don't call it scheming that Hope pursued the custody knowing Liam didn't want it and just assumed he would accept it when it was a done deal? Thomas, Steffy and Hope are all schemers and Liam probably would be as well if he wasn't so freakin' lazy and just looking for a place to crash. (He doesn't even have to scheme for that; he can just boomerang between his two doormats, Hope and Steffy. And, please, no one suggest Hope isn't Liam's doormat just like Steffy. Give her a little time and she will do anything to get him back. That is just the way this triangle rolls.)


No.


:roll That's your proof or rebuttal? Yes, Hope is a schemer.


Hope certainly IS a schemer. I really don't see how the way she got Thomas to give her shared custody (and when she KNEW that Liam didn't want it) could be considered anything else but scheming.

Agree. Didn't she even admit to Brooke she was going to use Thomas's feelings for her to get shared-custody and then maybe full DTR?

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by EnuffAlready, Texas, Friday, February 14, 2020, 12:28PM (5 days ago) @ harper1

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


The kiss was just a cherry on top your forgetting liam left cause he didn’t want tom in their lives ...


Tom and Steffy both are schemers.


So is Hope and I used to like Hope and Steffy. Now, I don't see why anyone would like either of them. But you don't think Hope schemed to get Thomas to share Douglas' custody with her? You don't call it scheming that Hope pursued the custody knowing Liam didn't want it and just assumed he would accept it when it was a done deal? Thomas, Steffy and Hope are all schemers and Liam probably would be as well if he wasn't so freakin' lazy and just looking for a place to crash. (He doesn't even have to scheme for that; he can just boomerang between his two doormats, Hope and Steffy. And, please, no one suggest Hope isn't Liam's doormat just like Steffy. Give her a little time and she will do anything to get him back. That is just the way this triangle rolls.)


No.


:roll That's your proof or rebuttal? Yes, Hope is a schemer.


Hope certainly IS a schemer. I really don't see how the way she got Thomas to give her shared custody (and when she KNEW that Liam didn't want it) could be considered anything else but scheming.


Agree. Didn't she even admit to Brooke she was going to use Thomas's feelings for her to get shared-custody and then maybe full DTR?

Yes, she did! But little details like that somehow get left out.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:16PM (5 days ago) @ EnuffAlready

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


The kiss was just a cherry on top your forgetting liam left cause he didn’t want tom in their lives ...


Tom and Steffy both are schemers.


So is Hope and I used to like Hope and Steffy. Now, I don't see why anyone would like either of them. But you don't think Hope schemed to get Thomas to share Douglas' custody with her? You don't call it scheming that Hope pursued the custody knowing Liam didn't want it and just assumed he would accept it when it was a done deal? Thomas, Steffy and Hope are all schemers and Liam probably would be as well if he wasn't so freakin' lazy and just looking for a place to crash. (He doesn't even have to scheme for that; he can just boomerang between his two doormats, Hope and Steffy. And, please, no one suggest Hope isn't Liam's doormat just like Steffy. Give her a little time and she will do anything to get him back. That is just the way this triangle rolls.)


No.


:roll That's your proof or rebuttal? Yes, Hope is a schemer.


Hope certainly IS a schemer. I really don't see how the way she got Thomas to give her shared custody (and when she KNEW that Liam didn't want it) could be considered anything else but scheming.


Agree. Didn't she even admit to Brooke she was going to use Thomas's feelings for her to get shared-custody and then maybe full DTR?


Yes, she did! But little details like that somehow get left out.

Pesky details ...like liam was married when Hope got knocked up..

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:10PM (5 days ago) @ harper1

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


The kiss was just a cherry on top your forgetting liam left cause he didn’t want tom in their lives ...


Tom and Steffy both are schemers.


So is Hope and I used to like Hope and Steffy. Now, I don't see why anyone would like either of them. But you don't think Hope schemed to get Thomas to share Douglas' custody with her? You don't call it scheming that Hope pursued the custody knowing Liam didn't want it and just assumed he would accept it when it was a done deal? Thomas, Steffy and Hope are all schemers and Liam probably would be as well if he wasn't so freakin' lazy and just looking for a place to crash. (He doesn't even have to scheme for that; he can just boomerang between his two doormats, Hope and Steffy. And, please, no one suggest Hope isn't Liam's doormat just like Steffy. Give her a little time and she will do anything to get him back. That is just the way this triangle rolls.)


No.


:roll That's your proof or rebuttal? Yes, Hope is a schemer.


Hope certainly IS a schemer. I really don't see how the way she got Thomas to give her shared custody (and when she KNEW that Liam didn't want it) could be considered anything else but scheming.


Agree. Didn't she even admit to Brooke she was going to use Thomas's feelings for her to get shared-custody and then maybe full DTR?

Yup....step 2 but my guess she marrys Tom ...maybe even has his baby and they live in the little cabin on mommy’s lawn

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:47AM (5 days ago) @ mutzi

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


The kiss was just a cherry on top your forgetting liam left cause he didn’t want tom in their lives ...


Tom and Steffy both are schemers.


So is Hope and I used to like Hope and Steffy. Now, I don't see why anyone would like either of them. But you don't think Hope schemed to get Thomas to share Douglas' custody with her? You don't call it scheming that Hope pursued the custody knowing Liam didn't want it and just assumed he would accept it when it was a done deal? Thomas, Steffy and Hope are all schemers and Liam probably would be as well if he wasn't so freakin' lazy and just looking for a place to crash. (He doesn't even have to scheme for that; he can just boomerang between his two doormats, Hope and Steffy. And, please, no one suggest Hope isn't Liam's doormat just like Steffy. Give her a little time and she will do anything to get him back. That is just the way this triangle rolls.)

Liams a creep soap character who uses women fir free rent

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by cranberryboy, Friday, February 14, 2020, 11:41AM (5 days ago) @ Barbybo

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


The kiss was just a cherry on top your forgetting liam left cause he didn’t want tom in their lives ...


Tom and Steffy both are schemers.


So is Hope and I used to like Hope and Steffy. Now, I don't see why anyone would like either of them. But you don't think Hope schemed to get Thomas to share Douglas' custody with her? You don't call it scheming that Hope pursued the custody knowing Liam didn't want it and just assumed he would accept it when it was a done deal? Thomas, Steffy and Hope are all schemers and Liam probably would be as well if he wasn't so freakin' lazy and just looking for a place to crash. (He doesn't even have to scheme for that; he can just boomerang between his two doormats, Hope and Steffy. And, please, no one suggest Hope isn't Liam's doormat just like Steffy. Give her a little time and she will do anything to get him back. That is just the way this triangle rolls.)


Liams a creep soap character who uses women fir free rent

Liam’s never been written that way.

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:11PM (5 days ago) @ cranberryboy

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


The kiss was just a cherry on top your forgetting liam left cause he didn’t want tom in their lives ...


Tom and Steffy both are schemers.


So is Hope and I used to like Hope and Steffy. Now, I don't see why anyone would like either of them. But you don't think Hope schemed to get Thomas to share Douglas' custody with her? You don't call it scheming that Hope pursued the custody knowing Liam didn't want it and just assumed he would accept it when it was a done deal? Thomas, Steffy and Hope are all schemers and Liam probably would be as well if he wasn't so freakin' lazy and just looking for a place to crash. (He doesn't even have to scheme for that; he can just boomerang between his two doormats, Hope and Steffy. And, please, no one suggest Hope isn't Liam's doormat just like Steffy. Give her a little time and she will do anything to get him back. That is just the way this triangle rolls.)


Liams a creep soap character who uses women fir free rent

Liam’s never been written that way.

Of course he has he goes from house to cabin and mooches then moves back like a ping pong ball Bill had him begged

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by EnuffAlready, Texas, Friday, February 14, 2020, 11:45AM (5 days ago) @ mutzi

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


The kiss was just a cherry on top your forgetting liam left cause he didn’t want tom in their lives ...


Tom and Steffy both are schemers.


So is Hope and I used to like Hope and Steffy. Now, I don't see why anyone would like either of them. But you don't think Hope schemed to get Thomas to share Douglas' custody with her? You don't call it scheming that Hope pursued the custody knowing Liam didn't want it and just assumed he would accept it when it was a done deal? Thomas, Steffy and Hope are all schemers and Liam probably would be as well if he wasn't so freakin' lazy and just looking for a place to crash. (He doesn't even have to scheme for that; he can just boomerang between his two doormats, Hope and Steffy. And, please, no one suggest Hope isn't Liam's doormat just like Steffy. Give her a little time and she will do anything to get him back. That is just the way this triangle rolls.)

I really, really love this post! Used to like Hope, didn't like Steffy, now I like Steffy much better than Hope - never thought I'd ever dislike Hope so very, very much. But she is one of the characters I despise the very most (Brooke is just as bad)

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:12PM (5 days ago) @ EnuffAlready

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


The kiss was just a cherry on top your forgetting liam left cause he didn’t want tom in their lives ...


Tom and Steffy both are schemers.


So is Hope and I used to like Hope and Steffy. Now, I don't see why anyone would like either of them. But you don't think Hope schemed to get Thomas to share Douglas' custody with her? You don't call it scheming that Hope pursued the custody knowing Liam didn't want it and just assumed he would accept it when it was a done deal? Thomas, Steffy and Hope are all schemers and Liam probably would be as well if he wasn't so freakin' lazy and just looking for a place to crash. (He doesn't even have to scheme for that; he can just boomerang between his two doormats, Hope and Steffy. And, please, no one suggest Hope isn't Liam's doormat just like Steffy. Give her a little time and she will do anything to get him back. That is just the way this triangle rolls.)


I really, really love this post! Used to like Hope, didn't like Steffy, now I like Steffy much better than Hope - never thought I'd ever dislike Hope so very, very much. But she is one of the characters I despise the very most (Brooke is just as bad)

Brookes big nut Hopes baby nut...both wacked

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:32PM (5 days ago) @ mutzi

Love this post! :cool

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by KatieFan32, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:08AM (5 days ago) @ Barbybo

:cool

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by rain4 @, Friday, February 14, 2020, 9:41AM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Even though I agree about Steffy I could say the same thing about all the people who aren't against Thomas at this point. And it includes Hope. She is as dumb and stupid as Ridge and Steffy when it comes to Thomas.

Liam gave her all the evidences she needed. He told her Thomas admitted he was using Zoe and still wanted Hope and told her he threatened his life. How did she react? By telling Liam it's his fault and he provoked him. Brooke warned her about Thomas times and times again, she refuses to admit she is right. She saw Thomas with her own eyes kissing Zoe in front of her and Douglas and she heard it from his mouth that he still intends to make a family with her.

The kiss is just the tip of the iceberg here, she can't blame all of the problems on this one. Their marriage imploded because Hope ended it, and threw him out, not because Liam was sniffling around Steffy. Their problems started again when Hope decided to adopt Douglas without telling Liam the truth. And finally he gave her an ultimatum because she wouldn't hear him out, and she wouldnt't even stop working with him. The kiss didn't help them for sure but it's only a small part of the problem.

If she still refuses to open her eyes and defends his behavior after that, then she is a lost cause too. I used to like Hope but Sadly she is no better than Steffy and Ridge in this story. The only ones who haven't completely lost it are Liam and Brooke. All the others had lobotomy.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Viola, Friday, February 14, 2020, 9:42AM (5 days ago) @ rain4

Even though I agree about Steffy I could say the same thing about all the people who aren't against Thomas at this point. And it includes Hope. She is as dumb and stupid as Ridge and Steffy when it comes to Thomas.

Liam gave her all the evidences she needed. He told her Thomas admitted he was using Zoe and still wanted Hope and told her he threatened his life. How did she react? By telling Liam it's his fault and he provoked him. Brooke warned her about Thomas times and times again, she refuses to admit she is right. She saw Thomas with her own eyes kissing Zoe in front of her and Douglas and she heard it from his mouth that he still intends to make a family with her.

The kiss is just the tip of the iceberg here, she can't blame all of the problems on this one. Their marriage imploded because Hope ended it, and threw him out, not because Liam was sniffling around Steffy. Their problems started again when Hope decided to adopt Douglas without telling Liam the truth. And finally he gave her an ultimatum because she wouldn't hear him out, and she wouldnt't even stop working with him. The kiss didn't help them for sure but it's only a small part of the problem.

If she still refuses to open her eyes and defend his behavior after that, then she is a lost cause too. I used to like Hope but Sadly she is no better than Steffy and Ridge in this story. The only ones who haven't completely lost it are Liam and Brooke.

Hope and Ridge do not know what Steffy knows... More... Steffy actually helped him in one of his schemes.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Drangonfly, Friday, February 14, 2020, 11:41AM (5 days ago) @ Viola

Even though I agree about Steffy I could say the same thing about all the people who aren't against Thomas at this point. And it includes Hope. She is as dumb and stupid as Ridge and Steffy when it comes to Thomas.

Liam gave her all the evidences she needed. He told her Thomas admitted he was using Zoe and still wanted Hope and told her he threatened his life. How did she react? By telling Liam it's his fault and he provoked him. Brooke warned her about Thomas times and times again, she refuses to admit she is right. She saw Thomas with her own eyes kissing Zoe in front of her and Douglas and she heard it from his mouth that he still intends to make a family with her.

The kiss is just the tip of the iceberg here, she can't blame all of the problems on this one. Their marriage imploded because Hope ended it, and threw him out, not because Liam was sniffling around Steffy. Their problems started again when Hope decided to adopt Douglas without telling Liam the truth. And finally he gave her an ultimatum because she wouldn't hear him out, and she wouldnt't even stop working with him. The kiss didn't help them for sure but it's only a small part of the problem.

If she still refuses to open her eyes and defend his behavior after that, then she is a lost cause too. I used to like Hope but Sadly she is no better than Steffy and Ridge in this story. The only ones who haven't completely lost it are Liam and Brooke.


Hope and Ridge do not know what Steffy knows... More... Steffy actually helped him in one of his schemes.

Exactly. Hope doesn't know Thomas is still scheming. Steffy does. She's actually his accomplice.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:14PM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Even though I agree about Steffy I could say the same thing about all the people who aren't against Thomas at this point. And it includes Hope. She is as dumb and stupid as Ridge and Steffy when it comes to Thomas.

Liam gave her all the evidences she needed. He told her Thomas admitted he was using Zoe and still wanted Hope and told her he threatened his life. How did she react? By telling Liam it's his fault and he provoked him. Brooke warned her about Thomas times and times again, she refuses to admit she is right. She saw Thomas with her own eyes kissing Zoe in front of her and Douglas and she heard it from his mouth that he still intends to make a family with her.

The kiss is just the tip of the iceberg here, she can't blame all of the problems on this one. Their marriage imploded because Hope ended it, and threw him out, not because Liam was sniffling around Steffy. Their problems started again when Hope decided to adopt Douglas without telling Liam the truth. And finally he gave her an ultimatum because she wouldn't hear him out, and she wouldnt't even stop working with him. The kiss didn't help them for sure but it's only a small part of the problem.

If she still refuses to open her eyes and defend his behavior after that, then she is a lost cause too. I used to like Hope but Sadly she is no better than Steffy and Ridge in this story. The only ones who haven't completely lost it are Liam and Brooke.


Hope and Ridge do not know what Steffy knows... More... Steffy actually helped him in one of his schemes.


Exactly. Hope doesn't know Thomas is still scheming. Steffy does. She's actually his accomplice.

Annoying kid will be very happy mommy Hopes gets tom his daddy..big smile on that annoying kid

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Viola, Friday, February 14, 2020, 8:28PM (4 days ago) @ Barbybo

Even though I agree about Steffy I could say the same thing about all the people who aren't against Thomas at this point. And it includes Hope. She is as dumb and stupid as Ridge and Steffy when it comes to Thomas.

Liam gave her all the evidences she needed. He told her Thomas admitted he was using Zoe and still wanted Hope and told her he threatened his life. How did she react? By telling Liam it's his fault and he provoked him. Brooke warned her about Thomas times and times again, she refuses to admit she is right. She saw Thomas with her own eyes kissing Zoe in front of her and Douglas and she heard it from his mouth that he still intends to make a family with her.

The kiss is just the tip of the iceberg here, she can't blame all of the problems on this one. Their marriage imploded because Hope ended it, and threw him out, not because Liam was sniffling around Steffy. Their problems started again when Hope decided to adopt Douglas without telling Liam the truth. And finally he gave her an ultimatum because she wouldn't hear him out, and she wouldnt't even stop working with him. The kiss didn't help them for sure but it's only a small part of the problem.

If she still refuses to open her eyes and defend his behavior after that, then she is a lost cause too. I used to like Hope but Sadly she is no better than Steffy and Ridge in this story. The only ones who haven't completely lost it are Liam and Brooke.


Hope and Ridge do not know what Steffy knows... More... Steffy actually helped him in one of his schemes.


Exactly. Hope doesn't know Thomas is still scheming. Steffy does. She's actually his accomplice.


Annoying kid will be very happy mommy Hopes gets tom his daddy..big smile on that annoying kid

Normal kid. Nothing annoying about him.

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 12:53AM (4 days ago) @ Viola

Even though I agree about Steffy I could say the same thing about all the people who aren't against Thomas at this point. And it includes Hope. She is as dumb and stupid as Ridge and Steffy when it comes to Thomas.

Liam gave her all the evidences she needed. He told her Thomas admitted he was using Zoe and still wanted Hope and told her he threatened his life. How did she react? By telling Liam it's his fault and he provoked him. Brooke warned her about Thomas times and times again, she refuses to admit she is right. She saw Thomas with her own eyes kissing Zoe in front of her and Douglas and she heard it from his mouth that he still intends to make a family with her.

The kiss is just the tip of the iceberg here, she can't blame all of the problems on this one. Their marriage imploded because Hope ended it, and threw him out, not because Liam was sniffling around Steffy. Their problems started again when Hope decided to adopt Douglas without telling Liam the truth. And finally he gave her an ultimatum because she wouldn't hear him out, and she wouldnt't even stop working with him. The kiss didn't help them for sure but it's only a small part of the problem.

If she still refuses to open her eyes and defend his behavior after that, then she is a lost cause too. I used to like Hope but Sadly she is no better than Steffy and Ridge in this story. The only ones who haven't completely lost it are Liam and Brooke.


Hope and Ridge do not know what Steffy knows... More... Steffy actually helped him in one of his schemes.


Exactly. Hope doesn't know Thomas is still scheming. Steffy does. She's actually his accomplice.


Annoying kid will be very happy mommy Hopes gets tom his daddy..big smile on that annoying kid


Normal kid. Nothing annoying about him.

Nothing wrong with kid but he ertainly annoying with his mommy Hope stuff .kid needs friends how many times we going to hear mommy Hope:didas.......I think Hope likes annoying kid more than Beth who?

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by hopeyougogirl, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:25AM (5 days ago) @ rain4

Even though I agree about Steffy I could say the same thing about all the people who aren't against Thomas at this point. And it includes Hope. She is as dumb and stupid as Ridge and Steffy when it comes to Thomas.

Liam gave her all the evidences she needed. He told her Thomas admitted he was using Zoe and still wanted Hope and told her he threatened his life. How did she react? By telling Liam it's his fault and he provoked him. Brooke warned her about Thomas times and times again, she refuses to admit she is right. She saw Thomas with her own eyes kissing Zoe in front of her and Douglas and she heard it from his mouth that he still intends to make a family with her.

The kiss is just the tip of the iceberg here, she can't blame all of the problems on this one. Their marriage imploded because Hope ended it, and threw him out, not because Liam was sniffling around Steffy. Their problems started again when Hope decided to adopt Douglas without telling Liam the truth. And finally he gave her an ultimatum because she wouldn't hear him out, and she wouldnt't even stop working with him. The kiss didn't help them for sure but it's only a small part of the problem.

If she still refuses to open her eyes and defends his behavior after that, then she is a lost cause too. I used to like Hope but Sadly she is no better than Steffy and Ridge in this story. The only ones who haven't completely lost it are Liam and Brooke. All the others had lobotomy.

Liam ain't too bright either. He gave Hope the stupid ultimatum and it backfired on him..how can he expect Hope to ditch little Douglas at his demand? It's too late for that. And the reason he gave Hope the stupid ultimatum to begin with..is because he wants nothing to do with big bad dangerous Thomas..and here he is free of Hope and living with Steffy, yet he is still insisting on inserting himself trying to figure out what Thomas is up to next.

His logic makes no sense either..why still obsessing about Thomas when he is already free of the custody mess and free of Thomas?

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Viola, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:32AM (5 days ago) @ hopeyougogirl

Even though I agree about Steffy I could say the same thing about all the people who aren't against Thomas at this point. And it includes Hope. She is as dumb and stupid as Ridge and Steffy when it comes to Thomas.

Liam gave her all the evidences she needed. He told her Thomas admitted he was using Zoe and still wanted Hope and told her he threatened his life. How did she react? By telling Liam it's his fault and he provoked him. Brooke warned her about Thomas times and times again, she refuses to admit she is right. She saw Thomas with her own eyes kissing Zoe in front of her and Douglas and she heard it from his mouth that he still intends to make a family with her.

The kiss is just the tip of the iceberg here, she can't blame all of the problems on this one. Their marriage imploded because Hope ended it, and threw him out, not because Liam was sniffling around Steffy. Their problems started again when Hope decided to adopt Douglas without telling Liam the truth. And finally he gave her an ultimatum because she wouldn't hear him out, and she wouldnt't even stop working with him. The kiss didn't help them for sure but it's only a small part of the problem.

If she still refuses to open her eyes and defends his behavior after that, then she is a lost cause too. I used to like Hope but Sadly she is no better than Steffy and Ridge in this story. The only ones who haven't completely lost it are Liam and Brooke. All the others had lobotomy.


Liam ain't too bright either. He gave Hope the stupid ultimatum and it backfired on him..how can he expect Hope to ditch little Douglas at his demand? It's too late for that. And the reason he gave Hope the stupid ultimatum to begin with..is because he wants nothing to do with big bad dangerous Thomas..and here he is free of Hope and living with Steffy, yet he is still insisting on inserting himself trying to figure out what Thomas is up to next.

His logic makes no sense either..why still obsessing about Thomas when he is already free of the custody mess and free of Thomas?

Plus he trusts Steffy and that makes him the ultimate loser and idiot.

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by hopeyougogirl, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:47AM (5 days ago) @ Viola

Even though I agree about Steffy I could say the same thing about all the people who aren't against Thomas at this point. And it includes Hope. She is as dumb and stupid as Ridge and Steffy when it comes to Thomas.

Liam gave her all the evidences she needed. He told her Thomas admitted he was using Zoe and still wanted Hope and told her he threatened his life. How did she react? By telling Liam it's his fault and he provoked him. Brooke warned her about Thomas times and times again, she refuses to admit she is right. She saw Thomas with her own eyes kissing Zoe in front of her and Douglas and she heard it from his mouth that he still intends to make a family with her.

The kiss is just the tip of the iceberg here, she can't blame all of the problems on this one. Their marriage imploded because Hope ended it, and threw him out, not because Liam was sniffling around Steffy. Their problems started again when Hope decided to adopt Douglas without telling Liam the truth. And finally he gave her an ultimatum because she wouldn't hear him out, and she wouldnt't even stop working with him. The kiss didn't help them for sure but it's only a small part of the problem.

If she still refuses to open her eyes and defends his behavior after that, then she is a lost cause too. I used to like Hope but Sadly she is no better than Steffy and Ridge in this story. The only ones who haven't completely lost it are Liam and Brooke. All the others had lobotomy.


Liam ain't too bright either. He gave Hope the stupid ultimatum and it backfired on him..how can he expect Hope to ditch little Douglas at his demand? It's too late for that. And the reason he gave Hope the stupid ultimatum to begin with..is because he wants nothing to do with big bad dangerous Thomas..and here he is free of Hope and living with Steffy, yet he is still insisting on inserting himself trying to figure out what Thomas is up to next.

His logic makes no sense either..why still obsessing about Thomas when he is already free of the custody mess and free of Thomas?

Plus he trusts Steffy and that makes him the ultimate loser and idiot.

Yeah, he trusted Steffy and look what she did to him AGAIN? Betraying him AGAIN...she went from team Liam to team Thomas now. :rofl

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Hit-Girl, Friday, February 14, 2020, 9:51AM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.

I bet you're wrong, Hope and Ridge wouldn't care one bit that someone set up the kiss! All that matters is that Steffy wanted to kiss him and Liam wanted it just as much! Ridge would still defend his son, Hope would still work and co-parent with Thomas, Liam may be disappointed in Steffy for about 5 minutes but seeing how he kissed her again last week, he would take full responsability for this situation! Nothing would really change! Hope knows Liam has a divided heart and will always love Steffy! She knows he would still be with his first family if it were not for Bill! She knows Thomas is still head over heels in love with her and doesn't care for Zoe and unlike Brooke it doesn't bother her one bit! She also knows Thomas is telling her the truth when he says Douglas' biggest dream is to see her and Thomas together and happy! It's not like Thomas is manipulating him into wanting him to be with Hope... the boy wanted that from the very beginning! :roll

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by MegsMom, Friday, February 14, 2020, 9:54AM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.

Steffy seems to be incapable of seeing beyond her goal of that fantasy happy family that's depicted in the picture on the wall. That's her goal. It always has been. And while she may feel the odd twinge of guilt for the pain she caused Hope by working with her sick brother to manipulate Liam, she's not about to tell the truth and jeopardize her chances with a life with Liam and Kelly. I'd hoped Steffy had changed, found some measure of empathy and maturity, but sadly, she's still that insecure, desperate manipulative schemer of her younger days. :neutral

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:45AM (5 days ago) @ MegsMom

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Steffy seems to be incapable of seeing beyond her goal of that fantasy happy family that's depicted in the picture on the wall. That's her goal. It always has been. And while she may feel the odd twinge of guilt for the pain she caused Hope by working with her sick brother to manipulate Liam, she's not about to tell the truth and jeopardize her chances with a life with Liam and Kelly. I'd hoped Steffy had changed, found some measure of empathy and maturity, but sadly, she's still that insecure, desperate manipulative schemer of her younger days. :neutral

And Hopes a ditz ...liams a waffel all looney

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Drangonfly, Friday, February 14, 2020, 11:43AM (5 days ago) @ MegsMom

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Steffy seems to be incapable of seeing beyond her goal of that fantasy happy family that's depicted in the picture on the wall. That's her goal. It always has been. And while she may feel the odd twinge of guilt for the pain she caused Hope by working with her sick brother to manipulate Liam, she's not about to tell the truth and jeopardize her chances with a life with Liam and Kelly. I'd hoped Steffy had changed, found some measure of empathy and maturity, but sadly, she's still that insecure, desperate manipulative schemer of her younger days. :neutral

Spot on. She is no different than she was during the gondola scheming days. Manipulating so she can have Liam.

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by cranberryboy, Friday, February 14, 2020, 11:45AM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Steffy seems to be incapable of seeing beyond her goal of that fantasy happy family that's depicted in the picture on the wall. That's her goal. It always has been. And while she may feel the odd twinge of guilt for the pain she caused Hope by working with her sick brother to manipulate Liam, she's not about to tell the truth and jeopardize her chances with a life with Liam and Kelly. I'd hoped Steffy had changed, found some measure of empathy and maturity, but sadly, she's still that insecure, desperate manipulative schemer of her younger days. :neutral


Spot on. She is no different than she was during the gondola scheming days. Manipulating so she can have Liam.

Well Hope sure makes it easy for her, when Hope dumps Liam and tells him to be with steffy.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Drangonfly, Friday, February 14, 2020, 11:49AM (5 days ago) @ cranberryboy

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Steffy seems to be incapable of seeing beyond her goal of that fantasy happy family that's depicted in the picture on the wall. That's her goal. It always has been. And while she may feel the odd twinge of guilt for the pain she caused Hope by working with her sick brother to manipulate Liam, she's not about to tell the truth and jeopardize her chances with a life with Liam and Kelly. I'd hoped Steffy had changed, found some measure of empathy and maturity, but sadly, she's still that insecure, desperate manipulative schemer of her younger days. :neutral


Spot on. She is no different than she was during the gondola scheming days. Manipulating so she can have Liam.


Well Hope sure makes it easy for her, when Hope dumps Liam and tells him to be with steffy.

That's no excuse for Steffy reverting back to her scheming ways though.

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 2:00PM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Steffy seems to be incapable of seeing beyond her goal of that fantasy happy family that's depicted in the picture on the wall. That's her goal. It always has been. And while she may feel the odd twinge of guilt for the pain she caused Hope by working with her sick brother to manipulate Liam, she's not about to tell the truth and jeopardize her chances with a life with Liam and Kelly. I'd hoped Steffy had changed, found some measure of empathy and maturity, but sadly, she's still that insecure, desperate manipulative schemer of her younger days. :neutral


Spot on. She is no different than she was during the gondola scheming days. Manipulating so she can have Liam.


Well Hope sure makes it easy for her, when Hope dumps Liam and tells him to be with steffy.


That's no excuse for Steffy reverting back to her scheming ways though.

And to liam again bouncing like a rubber ball from house to house....he’s a idiot he’s no prize he’s every mamas nightmare

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by MegsMom, Friday, February 14, 2020, 11:50AM (5 days ago) @ cranberryboy

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Steffy seems to be incapable of seeing beyond her goal of that fantasy happy family that's depicted in the picture on the wall. That's her goal. It always has been. And while she may feel the odd twinge of guilt for the pain she caused Hope by working with her sick brother to manipulate Liam, she's not about to tell the truth and jeopardize her chances with a life with Liam and Kelly. I'd hoped Steffy had changed, found some measure of empathy and maturity, but sadly, she's still that insecure, desperate manipulative schemer of her younger days. :neutral


Spot on. She is no different than she was during the gondola scheming days. Manipulating so she can have Liam.


Well Hope sure makes it easy for her, when Hope dumps Liam and tells him to be with steffy.

Yes, she certainly does. However, this time around, Liam appears to have validated Hope's actions, seeing as he's quite content to be with his "other family" and put no effort into changing Hope's mind. :neutral

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:32PM (5 days ago) @ MegsMom

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Steffy seems to be incapable of seeing beyond her goal of that fantasy happy family that's depicted in the picture on the wall. That's her goal. It always has been. And while she may feel the odd twinge of guilt for the pain she caused Hope by working with her sick brother to manipulate Liam, she's not about to tell the truth and jeopardize her chances with a life with Liam and Kelly. I'd hoped Steffy had changed, found some measure of empathy and maturity, but sadly, she's still that insecure, desperate manipulative schemer of her younger days. :neutral


Spot on. She is no different than she was during the gondola scheming days. Manipulating so she can have Liam.


Well Hope sure makes it easy for her, when Hope dumps Liam and tells him to be with steffy.


Yes, she certainly does. However, this time around, Liam appears to have validated Hope's actions, seeing as he's quite content to be with his "other family" and put no effort into changing Hope's mind. :neutral

Yea liam even stood up to Brooke that was a biggie for constipated liam

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 2:02PM (5 days ago) @ cranberryboy

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Steffy seems to be incapable of seeing beyond her goal of that fantasy happy family that's depicted in the picture on the wall. That's her goal. It always has been. And while she may feel the odd twinge of guilt for the pain she caused Hope by working with her sick brother to manipulate Liam, she's not about to tell the truth and jeopardize her chances with a life with Liam and Kelly. I'd hoped Steffy had changed, found some measure of empathy and maturity, but sadly, she's still that insecure, desperate manipulative schemer of her younger days. :neutral


Spot on. She is no different than she was during the gondola scheming days. Manipulating so she can have Liam.


Well Hope sure makes it easy for her, when Hope dumps Liam and tells him to be with steffy.

Liams like the gift of the month guy...thirty days you can return no charge

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 2:01PM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Steffy seems to be incapable of seeing beyond her goal of that fantasy happy family that's depicted in the picture on the wall. That's her goal. It always has been. And while she may feel the odd twinge of guilt for the pain she caused Hope by working with her sick brother to manipulate Liam, she's not about to tell the truth and jeopardize her chances with a life with Liam and Kelly. I'd hoped Steffy had changed, found some measure of empathy and maturity, but sadly, she's still that insecure, desperate manipulative schemer of her younger days. :neutral


Spot on. She is no different than she was during the gondola scheming days. Manipulating so she can have Liam.

Least you forget liam keeps saying I do...

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by PatriotGirl @, Friday, February 14, 2020, 2:54PM (4 days ago) @ Barbybo

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Steffy seems to be incapable of seeing beyond her goal of that fantasy happy family that's depicted in the picture on the wall. That's her goal. It always has been. And while she may feel the odd twinge of guilt for the pain she caused Hope by working with her sick brother to manipulate Liam, she's not about to tell the truth and jeopardize her chances with a life with Liam and Kelly. I'd hoped Steffy had changed, found some measure of empathy and maturity, but sadly, she's still that insecure, desperate manipulative schemer of her younger days. :neutral


Spot on. She is no different than she was during the gondola scheming days. Manipulating so she can have Liam.


Least you forget liam keeps saying I do...

:cool

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by BabyKelly, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:31AM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.

Firstly Steffy isn't even on screen for now. And won't be for a good while. The actress spend several weeks in Japan after the Holydays and she isn't mentioned in any of the spoilers for the next 2 weeks. She is irrelevant to Thomas and Hope's current shambles. Secondly, protecting the Logans from her brother isn't her job. She doesn't owe anything to any of them, especially not Hope the woman who harassed her husband when she was pregnant and is still trying to keep her from seeing the baby she raised for 9 months. She shouldn't even feel guilty about any of it, she kissed a single Liam after Hope betrayed him and Liam walked out of her. Again, she owes Hope zilch.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by KatieFan32, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:33AM (5 days ago) @ BabyKelly

Baby Kelly. Bravo! :dance3

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In Bill and Katie's corner always

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by ShirleyB#1, Friday, February 14, 2020, 11:49AM (5 days ago) @ BabyKelly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Firstly Steffy isn't even on screen for now. And won't be for a good while. The actress spend several weeks in Japan after the Holydays and she isn't mentioned in any of the spoilers for the next 2 weeks. She is irrelevant to Thomas and Hope's current shambles. Secondly, protecting the Logans from her brother isn't her job. She doesn't owe anything to any of them, especially not Hope the woman who harassed her husband when she was pregnant and is still trying to keep her from seeing the baby she raised for 9 months. She shouldn't even feel guilty about any of it, she kissed a single Liam after Hope betrayed him and Liam walked out of her. Again, she owes Hope zilch.

I don't think Japan would be a good place to be right now with that virus killing thousands of people so far....

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by mutzi, Friday, February 14, 2020, 12:09PM (5 days ago) @ ShirleyB#1

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Firstly Steffy isn't even on screen for now. And won't be for a good while. The actress spend several weeks in Japan after the Holydays and she isn't mentioned in any of the spoilers for the next 2 weeks. She is irrelevant to Thomas and Hope's current shambles. Secondly, protecting the Logans from her brother isn't her job. She doesn't owe anything to any of them, especially not Hope the woman who harassed her husband when she was pregnant and is still trying to keep her from seeing the baby she raised for 9 months. She shouldn't even feel guilty about any of it, she kissed a single Liam after Hope betrayed him and Liam walked out of her. Again, she owes Hope zilch.


I don't think Japan would be a good place to be right now with that virus killing thousands of people so far....

That is China, not Japan. So far, there has been one fatality in Japan and somewhat over 1,000 in China (not thousands) And cases of coronavirus have been found all over the world now.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:34PM (5 days ago) @ mutzi

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Firstly Steffy isn't even on screen for now. And won't be for a good while. The actress spend several weeks in Japan after the Holydays and she isn't mentioned in any of the spoilers for the next 2 weeks. She is irrelevant to Thomas and Hope's current shambles. Secondly, protecting the Logans from her brother isn't her job. She doesn't owe anything to any of them, especially not Hope the woman who harassed her husband when she was pregnant and is still trying to keep her from seeing the baby she raised for 9 months. She shouldn't even feel guilty about any of it, she kissed a single Liam after Hope betrayed him and Liam walked out of her. Again, she owes Hope zilch.


I don't think Japan would be a good place to be right now with that virus killing thousands of people so far....


That is China, not Japan. So far, there has been one fatality in Japan and somewhat over 1,000 in China (not thousands) And cases of coronavirus have been found all over the world now.


Thank you :cool

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Team Liam Logan!!!
Lope 4EVA
This is a mope free zone.

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by mutzi, Friday, February 14, 2020, 2:03PM (4 days ago) @ MsBold

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Firstly Steffy isn't even on screen for now. And won't be for a good while. The actress spend several weeks in Japan after the Holydays and she isn't mentioned in any of the spoilers for the next 2 weeks. She is irrelevant to Thomas and Hope's current shambles. Secondly, protecting the Logans from her brother isn't her job. She doesn't owe anything to any of them, especially not Hope the woman who harassed her husband when she was pregnant and is still trying to keep her from seeing the baby she raised for 9 months. She shouldn't even feel guilty about any of it, she kissed a single Liam after Hope betrayed him and Liam walked out of her. Again, she owes Hope zilch.


I don't think Japan would be a good place to be right now with that virus killing thousands of people so far....


That is China, not Japan. So far, there has been one fatality in Japan and somewhat over 1,000 in China (not thousands) And cases of coronavirus have been found all over the world now.

Thank you :cool

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by muppetfish @, Friday, February 14, 2020, 11:56AM (5 days ago) @ BabyKelly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Firstly Steffy isn't even on screen for now. And won't be for a good while. The actress spend several weeks in Japan after the Holydays and she isn't mentioned in any of the spoilers for the next 2 weeks. She is irrelevant to Thomas and Hope's current shambles. Secondly, protecting the Logans from her brother isn't her job. She doesn't owe anything to any of them, especially not Hope the woman who harassed her husband when she was pregnant and is still trying to keep her from seeing the baby she raised for 9 months. She shouldn't even feel guilty about any of it, she kissed a single Liam after Hope betrayed him and Liam walked out of her. Again, she owes Hope zilch.

ICAM! :cool :cool :cool

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by hopeyougogirl, Friday, February 14, 2020, 5:16PM (4 days ago) @ BabyKelly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Firstly Steffy isn't even on screen for now. And won't be for a good while. The actress spend several weeks in Japan after the Holydays and she isn't mentioned in any of the spoilers for the next 2 weeks. She is irrelevant to Thomas and Hope's current shambles. Secondly, protecting the Logans from her brother isn't her job. She doesn't owe anything to any of them, especially not Hope the woman who harassed her husband when she was pregnant and is still trying to keep her from seeing the baby she raised for 9 months. She shouldn't even feel guilty about any of it, she kissed a single Liam after Hope betrayed him and Liam walked out of her. Again, she owes Hope zilch.

Just like Hope owes Steffy zilch when she first came back..given Steffy's manipulative history inserting herself into Lope's relationship. Not to mention, Leffy had already imploded all on their own and Liam separated himself from his cheating adulterous wife all on his own. Hope wasn't on screen for Leffy's dysfunctional downfall.

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by CaptainHook, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 12:11PM (4 days ago) @ BabyKelly

Thank you, Steffy is not even on screen right now, and last time she saw Thomas he told her he is done with Hope and moving on with Zoe, if anyone knows Thomas' intentions and could end this mess it's Hope

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by PatriotGirl @, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 12:13PM (4 days ago) @ CaptainHook

Thank you, Steffy is not even on screen right now, and last time she saw Thomas he told her he is done with Hope and moving on with Zoe, if anyone knows Thomas' intentions and could end this mess it's Hope

Agree! :cool

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Soap-Passion, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:39PM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Of course she could. But I hope she doesn't. If she does, the drama ends now. Hope and Liam get back together, and Thomas jumps to his next plan to break them up.

If she doesn't, the storyline continues. I don't know if Bell will put Thomas with Hope and Liam with Steffy, but he wants these pairs to be closer. Hope has to be on Thomas' side for a while, Liam has to live with Steffy. There is no point for this "whole mess" if everything is exposed and fixed. This isn't how soaps work. :)

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:59PM (5 days ago) @ Soap-Passion

Of course she could. But I hope she doesn't. If she does, the drama ends now. Hope and Liam get back together, and Thomas jumps to his next plan to break them up.

If she doesn't, the storyline continues. I don't know if Bell will put Thomas with Hope and Liam with Steffy, but he wants these pairs to be closer. Hope has to be on Thomas' side for a while, Liam has to live with Steffy. There is no point for this "whole mess" if everything is exposed and fixed. This isn't how soaps work. :)

These gals git to wise up two babies involved dump the jerk get a staple life quite sharing a looser

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Drangonfly, Friday, February 14, 2020, 5:32PM (4 days ago) @ Soap-Passion

Of course she could. But I hope she doesn't. If she does, the drama ends now. Hope and Liam get back together, and Thomas jumps to his next plan to break them up.

If she doesn't, the storyline continues. I don't know if Bell will put Thomas with Hope and Liam with Steffy, but he wants these pairs to be closer. Hope has to be on Thomas' side for a while, Liam has to live with Steffy. There is no point for this "whole mess" if everything is exposed and fixed. This isn't how soaps work. :)

True enough. ;-)

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Steffyfanatic, Friday, February 14, 2020, 2:29PM (4 days ago) @ Drangonfly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.

I doubt it will end. Thomas will use Douglas as the reason why he did what he did. He’ll flip it around and Hope & Ridge would buy it because Liam did want Hope to give up Douglas. I think Steffy should tell the truth so she can have a clear conscience.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 2:31PM (4 days ago) @ Steffyfanatic

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


I doubt it will end. Thomas will use Douglas as the reason why he did what he did and Hope & Ridge would buy it. I think Steffy should tell the truth so she can have a clear conscience.

Hey kid wants mommy Hope with daddy tom why not get on with it anyway

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Mariposaa, Friday, February 14, 2020, 7:14PM (4 days ago) @ Drangonfly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.

If, the mess will just keep going on and on. Steffy can't do anything about how Thomas feels for Hope or how Liam feels for them both.

What would happen if she told Liam the truth? He'll run back to Hope? Then he'll find another reason to run back to Steffy as they have a child.

If Steffy fess up, it changes nothing but Liam's living arrangements. Thomas will still continue to plot and still create rifts between them. And Steffy isn't at fault alone, in spite of her wrong move & weak moment, Liam still kissed her back. He still made a move on her and he will always run to her.

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Friday, February 14, 2020, 7:15PM (4 days ago) @ Mariposaa

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


If, the mess will just keep going on and on. Steffy can't do anything about how Thomas feels for Hope or how Liam feels for them both.

What would happen if she told Liam the truth? He'll run back to Hope? Then he'll find another reason to run back to Steffy as they have a child.

If Steffy fess up, it changes nothing but Liam's living arrangements. Thomas will still continue to plot and still create rifts between them. And Steffy isn't at fault alone, in spite of her wrong move & weak moment, Liam still kissed her back. He still made a move on her and he will always run to her.

Liams ruined ..

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Drangonfly, Friday, February 14, 2020, 7:56PM (4 days ago) @ Mariposaa

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


If, the mess will just keep going on and on. Steffy can't do anything about how Thomas feels for Hope or how Liam feels for them both.

What would happen if she told Liam the truth? He'll run back to Hope? Then he'll find another reason to run back to Steffy as they have a child.

If Steffy fess up, it changes nothing but Liam's living arrangements. Thomas will still continue to plot and still create rifts between them. And Steffy isn't at fault alone, in spite of her wrong move & weak moment, Liam still kissed her back. He still made a move on her and he will always run to her.

My point is that, if Steffy would tell Ridge what she and Thomas did, then Ridge would realize that Thomas is not better. He would then make sure he gets the help he needs. It would prevent Thomas from using Douglas as a pawn and maybe keep him safe. My posts don't have anything to do with Liam. That's a different topic altogether.

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 12:50AM (4 days ago) @ Drangonfly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


If, the mess will just keep going on and on. Steffy can't do anything about how Thomas feels for Hope or how Liam feels for them both.

What would happen if she told Liam the truth? He'll run back to Hope? Then he'll find another reason to run back to Steffy as they have a child.

If Steffy fess up, it changes nothing but Liam's living arrangements. Thomas will still continue to plot and still create rifts between them. And Steffy isn't at fault alone, in spite of her wrong move & weak moment, Liam still kissed her back. He still made a move on her and he will always run to her.


My point is that, if Steffy would tell Ridge what she and Thomas did, then Ridge would realize that Thomas is not better. He would then make sure he gets the help he needs. It would prevent Thomas from using Douglas as a pawn and maybe keep him safe. My posts don't have anything to do with Liam. That's a different topic altogether.

Hey kid will be happy if daddy marrys mommy

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Mariposaa, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 8:46AM (4 days ago) @ Drangonfly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


If, the mess will just keep going on and on. Steffy can't do anything about how Thomas feels for Hope or how Liam feels for them both.

What would happen if she told Liam the truth? He'll run back to Hope? Then he'll find another reason to run back to Steffy as they have a child.

If Steffy fess up, it changes nothing but Liam's living arrangements. Thomas will still continue to plot and still create rifts between them. And Steffy isn't at fault alone, in spite of her wrong move & weak moment, Liam still kissed her back. He still made a move on her and he will always run to her.


My point is that, if Steffy would tell Ridge what she and Thomas did, then Ridge would realize that Thomas is not better. He would then make sure he gets the help he needs. It would prevent Thomas from using Douglas as a pawn and maybe keep him safe. My posts don't have anything to do with Liam. That's a different topic altogether.

Ridge is too dense to believe Steffy. If he couldn't believe her then she told sex with Daddy in law was consensual, he's going to believe Thomas is a obessesive freak, nope.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Drangonfly, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 10:22AM (4 days ago) @ Mariposaa

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


If, the mess will just keep going on and on. Steffy can't do anything about how Thomas feels for Hope or how Liam feels for them both.

What would happen if she told Liam the truth? He'll run back to Hope? Then he'll find another reason to run back to Steffy as they have a child.

If Steffy fess up, it changes nothing but Liam's living arrangements. Thomas will still continue to plot and still create rifts between them. And Steffy isn't at fault alone, in spite of her wrong move & weak moment, Liam still kissed her back. He still made a move on her and he will always run to her.


My point is that, if Steffy would tell Ridge what she and Thomas did, then Ridge would realize that Thomas is not better. He would then make sure he gets the help he needs. It would prevent Thomas from using Douglas as a pawn and maybe keep him safe. My posts don't have anything to do with Liam. That's a different topic altogether.


Ridge is too dense to believe Steffy. If he couldn't believe her then she told sex with Daddy in law was consensual, he's going to believe Thomas is a obessesive freak, nope.

Fair point. I guess Ridge will actually have to see Thomas in the act of doing something horrible to get his head out of the sand.

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 1:45PM (4 days ago) @ Drangonfly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


If, the mess will just keep going on and on. Steffy can't do anything about how Thomas feels for Hope or how Liam feels for them both.

What would happen if she told Liam the truth? He'll run back to Hope? Then he'll find another reason to run back to Steffy as they have a child.

If Steffy fess up, it changes nothing but Liam's living arrangements. Thomas will still continue to plot and still create rifts between them. And Steffy isn't at fault alone, in spite of her wrong move & weak moment, Liam still kissed her back. He still made a move on her and he will always run to her.


My point is that, if Steffy would tell Ridge what she and Thomas did, then Ridge would realize that Thomas is not better. He would then make sure he gets the help he needs. It would prevent Thomas from using Douglas as a pawn and maybe keep him safe. My posts don't have anything to do with Liam. That's a different topic altogether.


Ridge is too dense to believe Steffy. If he couldn't believe her then she told sex with Daddy in law was consensual, he's going to believe Thomas is a obessesive freak, nope.


Fair point. I guess Ridge will actually have to see Thomas in the act of doing something horrible to get his head out of the sand.

Well at least Brooke knows Hopes nit bright she has to babysit her ..

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by tercor123 @, Friday, February 14, 2020, 10:33PM (4 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Why should she. She owes hope nothing. Not her fault that hope is stupid

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by muppetfish @, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 4:20AM (4 days ago) @ Drangonfly
edited by muppetfish, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 4:24AM

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.

Typical. This whole Mess started because of hope. But now it's steffy's responsibility to end it? Gmab.

So tired of the hope character. It takes a village to prop her and it diminishes the talent that is in the cast. No idea how or why they put up with it.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Drangonfly, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 7:44AM (4 days ago) @ muppetfish

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Typical. This whole Mess started because of hope. But now it's steffy's responsibility to end it? Gmab.

So tired of the hope character. It takes a village to prop her and it diminishes the talent that is in the cast. No idea how or why they put up with it.

Hope didn't make Steffy act on Thomas's cue to kiss Liam when she heard the phone ring. That manipulation is on her. Why won't she tell?

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by muppetfish @, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 7:54AM (4 days ago) @ Drangonfly
edited by muppetfish, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 7:57AM

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Typical. This whole Mess started because of hope. But now it's steffy's responsibility to end it? Gmab.

So tired of the hope character. It takes a village to prop her and it diminishes the talent that is in the cast. No idea how or why they put up with it.


Hope didn't make Steffy act on Thomas's cue to kiss Liam when she heard the phone ring. That manipulation is on her. Why won't she tell?

That kiss is nothing compared to what hope has allowed, did and defended when it Comes to Thomas. Steffy didn't make hope fall out with Liam over thomas. That's on hope for not listening to and considering her husband.

Making it so that the kiss is the only thing keeping lope from Being together is just not true. Liam knows what Thomas wants, hope knows it and steffy knows it. It's not on steffy if hope doesn't use her Brain.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Drangonfly, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 10:19AM (4 days ago) @ muppetfish

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Typical. This whole Mess started because of hope. But now it's steffy's responsibility to end it? Gmab.

So tired of the hope character. It takes a village to prop her and it diminishes the talent that is in the cast. No idea how or why they put up with it.


Hope didn't make Steffy act on Thomas's cue to kiss Liam when she heard the phone ring. That manipulation is on her. Why won't she tell?


That kiss is nothing compared to what hope has allowed, did and defended when it Comes to Thomas. Steffy didn't make hope fall out with Liam over thomas. That's on hope for not listening to and considering her husband.

Making it so that the kiss is the only thing keeping lope from Being together is just not true. Liam knows what Thomas wants, hope knows it and steffy knows it. It's not on steffy if hope doesn't use her Brain.

The disagreements between Hope and Liam about Douglas isn't on Steffy. But manipulating with Thomas to break them up is.

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 8:55AM (4 days ago) @ Drangonfly

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Typical. This whole Mess started because of hope. But now it's steffy's responsibility to end it? Gmab.

So tired of the hope character. It takes a village to prop her and it diminishes the talent that is in the cast. No idea how or why they put up with it.


Hope didn't make Steffy act on Thomas's cue to kiss Liam when she heard the phone ring. That manipulation is on her. Why won't she tell?

Yes, that manipulation is on Steffy. I wish she'd just tell Liam.
Because in the larger picture, it's a joke. MuppetFish is right.
Hope is a helpless woman who makes ridiculous, juvenile decisions and then sits in a corner while everyone else tries to figure out a solution.

Next up on Bold: watch Liam chase his tail in circles while Hope claps.

It's more than old. It's stale writing that focuses on one character that has turned into a caricature of herself, and wastes the rest of the talent on the show.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by mutzi, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 12:05PM (4 days ago) @ MsBold

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Typical. This whole Mess started because of hope. But now it's steffy's responsibility to end it? Gmab.

So tired of the hope character. It takes a village to prop her and it diminishes the talent that is in the cast. No idea how or why they put up with it.


Hope didn't make Steffy act on Thomas's cue to kiss Liam when she heard the phone ring. That manipulation is on her. Why won't she tell?


Yes, that manipulation is on Steffy. I wish she'd just tell Liam.
Because in the larger picture, it's a joke. MuppetFish is right.
Hope is a helpless woman who makes ridiculous, juvenile decisions and then sits in a corner while everyone else tries to figure out a solution.

Next up on Bold: watch Liam chase his tail in circles while Hope claps.

It's more than old. It's stale writing that focuses on one character that has turned into a caricature of herself, and wastes the rest of the talent on the show.

I agree, MsBold. But it even wastes AN's talents. While I don't like her as much as KM's Hope or even the Pace twins' Hope, she impressed me with her acting when they were told Beth was dead. Since then, Bell has just had her doing the same thing over and over again.

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by PatriotGirl @, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 12:29PM (4 days ago) @ MsBold

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Typical. This whole Mess started because of hope. But now it's steffy's responsibility to end it? Gmab.

So tired of the hope character. It takes a village to prop her and it diminishes the talent that is in the cast. No idea how or why they put up with it.


Hope didn't make Steffy act on Thomas's cue to kiss Liam when she heard the phone ring. That manipulation is on her. Why won't she tell?


Yes, that manipulation is on Steffy. I wish she'd just tell Liam.
Because in the larger picture, it's a joke. MuppetFish is right.
Hope is a helpless woman who makes ridiculous, juvenile decisions and then sits in a corner while everyone else tries to figure out a solution.

Next up on Bold: watch Liam chase his tail in circles while Hope claps.

It's more than old. It's stale writing that focuses on one character that has turned into a caricature of herself, and wastes the rest of the talent on the show.

Love this post! :cool

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 1:40PM (4 days ago) @ PatriotGirl
edited by Barbybo, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 1:44PM

All she has to do is tell Ridge that she and Thomas schemed to make Hope see her and Liam kissing. Then Ridge would know Thomas hasn't changed and finally get him the help he needs.

But she won't. Because of her own selfish reasons. She knows Liam would dump her for deceiving him and blowing up his relationship with Hope.

Steffy is so desperate to have Liam that she doesn't even care that her own brother needs help and isn't getting it. And now her little nephew, who just lost his mommy, is going to be used as a pawn as Thomas exploits his insecurities in order to get Hope.


Typical. This whole Mess started because of hope. But now it's steffy's responsibility to end it? Gmab.

So tired of the hope character. It takes a village to prop her and it diminishes the talent that is in the cast. No idea how or why they put up with it.


Hope didn't make Steffy act on Thomas's cue to kiss Liam when she heard the phone ring. That manipulation is on her. Why won't she tell?


Yes, that manipulation is on Steffy. I wish she'd just tell Liam.
Because in the larger picture, it's a joke. MuppetFish is right.
Hope is a helpless woman who makes ridiculous, juvenile decisions and then sits in a corner while everyone else tries to figure out a solution.

Next up on Bold: watch Liam chase his tail in circles while Hope claps.

It's more than old. It's stale writing that focuses on one character that has turned into a caricature of herself, and wastes the rest of the talent on the show.


Love this post! :cool

So next week Hope and zoe hear liam stirring pot with Tom they take toms side this should be good:lol. Liam will have his famous constipated look...little kid should hear liam saying mean to his daddy...he won’t like liam much...time fir that kid to go away to school like r.j did invisible or visit his grandma a long visit

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by KatieFan32, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 9:06AM (4 days ago) @ muppetfish

Hope should go back to Milan Italy.

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Steffy could end this whole mess.

by CaptainHook, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 11:49AM (4 days ago) @ KatieFan32

And take her crazy mother with her

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Barbybo, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 1:38PM (4 days ago) @ CaptainHook

And take her crazy mother with her

Two crazy’s on a plane imagine that:lol

Steffy could end this whole mess.

by Bystander07, Saturday, February 15, 2020, 6:21PM (3 days ago) @ KatieFan32

And Steffy should go back to Paris!

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