Why is Hope not telling Brooke, Liam and Zoe... (General Discussion)

by Heather172, Thursday, February 13, 2020, 8:12PM (5 days ago)

If anyone has the power to put an end to Thomas' (supposedly so devious, evil, monstruous) plan, it's Hope.... Liam already told her that Thomas admitted to his face that he's using Zoe and Hope is his endgame.... Then Thomas directly told her how much he loves her and how he still wants to be with her.... She knows he used his son before and And today she saw him kissing Zoe in front of Douglas, which means she knows what he is doing....

She has the power to fire him from her line... She has the power to help her mother's marriage out, by telling her that she is right (and Ridge is wrong) about Thomas still wanting to be with her.... She has the power to prevent Zoe from lot of heartbreak, if she repeats what Thomas said in front of her... She has the power to cut most ties she has with Thomas (except the co-parenting), all she has to do is repeat what he said, expose him to Brooke and Zoe and stay away from him...

But no... Instead 1) she is still working with him, praising and complimenting him for his designs.... 2) She hides her last conversation with Thomas from her mother and tells her he is getting better and is no longer interested in her... 3) She continues to pretend Liam is wrong about Zoe and Thomas' relationship, instead of telling him the truth.... 4) She intends to let Thomas continue to lie to Zoe, she intends to let Zoe move on with a man knowing he would drop her in a heartbeat if she snapped her finger... (And finally, as Douglas' mother it's also her job to explain the boy that while she and Thomas are co-parenting him, they are never going to be together again... she is giving him false hopes instead)...

Apparently, Hope doesn't care about Liam's fears and what Thomas put him through and how he threatened him.... She doesn't mind that he is using her collection as a mean to be close to her... She doesn't care about her mother's marriage (or she would tell her the truth, instead of telling her the opposite)... She doesn't care about Zoe and the fact that Thomas is settling for her because he can't have her (or she would have run straight to Zoe the moment he told her)...

For all these reasons I can't see Hope as a victim... She knows what Thomas is doing with Zoe and Douglas and she knows he still wants her... She is still working with him, taking his side and siding with him aagainst Liam... She hasn't tried to put distance between them and still hasn't told Douglas his dreams won't come true... and won't tell Zoe or Hope the truth about her conversation with him..... She is lying to everybody and isn't doing anything to put an end to Thomas' quest!!!

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Why is Hope not telling Brooke, Liam and Zoe...

by Viola, Thursday, February 13, 2020, 8:41PM (5 days ago) @ Heather172

One sec... Didn't Thomas tell Hope that he realized that he can't have everything that he wants and he is trying to move on with Zoe? Thomas just said that he would rather be with her, but she doesn't know he has some vicious plan. For all Hope knows Thomas is very fond of Zoe. The only two people that know that really know that Thomas is still scheming are Vinny and Steffy... :roll

Steffy is also the only person that Ridge could actually believe.

Why is Hope not telling Brooke, Liam and Zoe...

by Ryc1976, Thursday, February 13, 2020, 9:28PM (5 days ago) @ Viola

Quinn knows too.

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by Viola, Thursday, February 13, 2020, 9:35PM (5 days ago) @ Ryc1976

Quinn knows too.

Yeah, but this one obviously doesn't care. She is also nuts.

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by Drangonfly, Thursday, February 13, 2020, 10:07PM (5 days ago) @ Ryc1976

Quinn knows too.

And Shauna.

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by kizilay, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:29AM (5 days ago) @ Ryc1976

Quinn knows too.

I don't like Quinn, but don't see how Hope and Liam's love life is any of her business, frankly. Sure she could tell Brooke and Ridge about Thomas' intentions, but I am not gonna blame her for her silence here. The one who are being abused and manipulated by Thomas are Hope and Liam, and Brooke and Ridge to another extent. And now Hope knows his plan and knows she is still his first choice. The fact that she is keeping those secret talks with Thomas to herself is mind-boggling. If something terrible happens to Douglas or Liam or Zoe, she will be as responsible as Thomas.

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by kizilay, Friday, February 14, 2020, 1:22AM (5 days ago) @ Viola

One sec... Didn't Thomas tell Hope that he realized that he can't have everything that he wants and he is trying to move on with Zoe? Thomas just said that he would rather be with her, but she doesn't know he has some vicious plan. For all Hope knows Thomas is very fond of Zoe. The only two people that know that really know that Thomas is still scheming are Vinny and Steffy... :roll

Steffy is also the only person that Ridge could actually believe.

No. Actually, Thomas told Steffy that he doesn't want Hope anymore even if he thinks Liam should be with her, and he is moving on with Zoe. He didn't tell Hope the same things at all. Thomas told Hope last week that he still wants to be with her and today he reconfirmed it. Hope knows he still wants to be with her and doesn't truly want Zoe. Zoe has a right to know. And so does Liam. After all, according to Hope, Thomas isn't the problem between them. Steffy is. But the way Thomas can manipulate Hope proves she is wrong and he is the biggest issue for her and Liam. Brooke knows it too.

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Why is Hope not telling Brooke, Liam and Zoe...

by Drangonfly, Friday, February 14, 2020, 7:39AM (5 days ago) @ kizilay

One sec... Didn't Thomas tell Hope that he realized that he can't have everything that he wants and he is trying to move on with Zoe? Thomas just said that he would rather be with her, but she doesn't know he has some vicious plan. For all Hope knows Thomas is very fond of Zoe. The only two people that know that really know that Thomas is still scheming are Vinny and Steffy... :roll

Steffy is also the only person that Ridge could actually believe.


No. Actually, Thomas told Steffy that he doesn't want Hope anymore even if he thinks Liam should be with her, and he is moving on with Zoe. He didn't tell Hope the same things at all. Thomas told Hope last week that he still wants to be with her and today he reconfirmed it. Hope knows he still wants to be with her and doesn't truly want Zoe. Zoe has a right to know. And so does Liam. After all, according to Hope, Thomas isn't the problem between them. Steffy is. But the way Thomas can manipulate Hope proves she is wrong and he is the biggest issue for her and Liam. Brooke knows it too.

The reason Hope doesn't believe that Thomas is the problem is because she walked in on Liam and Steffy kissing. She has no idea that the kiss was set up by Thomas and Steffy.

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by Drangonfly, Thursday, February 13, 2020, 8:52PM (5 days ago) @ Heather172

If anyone has the power to put an end to Thomas' (supposedly so devious, evil, monstruous) plan, it's Hope.... Liam already told her that Thomas admitted to his face that he's using Zoe and Hope is his endgame.... Then Thomas directly told her how much he loves her and how he still wants to be with her.... She knows he used his son before and And today she saw him kissing Zoe in front of Douglas, which means she knows what he is doing....

She has the power to fire him from her line... She has the power to help her mother's marriage out, by telling her that she is right (and Ridge is wrong) about Thomas still wanting to be with her.... She has the power to prevent Zoe from lot of heartbreak, if she repeats what Thomas said in front of her... She has the power to cut most ties she has with Thomas (except the co-parenting), all she has to do is repeat what he said, expose him to Brooke and Zoe and stay away from him...

But no... Instead 1) she is still working with him, praising and complimenting him for his designs.... 2) She hides her last conversation with Thomas from her mother and tells her he is getting better and is no longer interested in her... 3) She continues to pretend Liam is wrong about Zoe and Thomas' relationship, instead of telling him the truth.... 4) She intends to let Thomas continue to lie to Zoe, she intends to let Zoe move on with a man knowing he would drop her in a heartbeat if she snapped her finger... (And finally, as Douglas' mother it's also her job to explain the boy that while she and Thomas are co-parenting him, they are never going to be together again... she is giving him false hopes instead)...

Apparently, Hope doesn't care about Liam's fears and what Thomas put him through and how he threatened him.... She doesn't mind that he is using her collection as a mean to be close to her... She doesn't care about her mother's marriage (or she would tell her the truth, instead of telling her the opposite)... She doesn't care about Zoe and the fact that Thomas is settling for her because he can't have her (or she would have run straight to Zoe the moment he told her)...

For all these reasons I can't see Hope as a victim... She knows what Thomas is doing with Zoe and Douglas and she knows he still wants her... She is still working with him, taking his side and siding with him aagainst Liam... She hasn't tried to put distance between them and still hasn't told Douglas his dreams won't come true... and won't tell Zoe or Hope the truth about her conversation with him..... She is lying to everybody and isn't doing anything to put an end to Thomas' quest!!!

This isn't what's happening at all. Hope knows that Thomas wants her. What she doesn't know is that he's only using Zoe to make her believe that he's trying to move on.

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by Ryc1976, Thursday, February 13, 2020, 9:28PM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Exactly

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by krort @, Thursday, February 13, 2020, 9:42PM (5 days ago) @ Heather172

Heather said:<<<<She is lying to everybody and isn't doing anything to put an end to Thomas' quest!!!>>>


ALL of that makes sense so that is why we can not consider it on this soap.
Hope needs a lobotomy.

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by Bold_Team70, Australia, Thursday, February 13, 2020, 11:40PM (5 days ago) @ Heather172

Good questions. Not that she owes something to Zoe. But she should at least further Thomas' conversation with her to Liam. And tell Brooke about his intentions.
They are still trying to prove that Thomas wants to be with her. And now Hope knows he is right; but she does not say anything. She needs to inform them now.

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by Drangonfly, Friday, February 14, 2020, 7:47AM (5 days ago) @ Bold_Team70

Good questions. Not that she owes something to Zoe. But she should at least further Thomas' conversation with her to Liam. And tell Brooke about his intentions.
They are still trying to prove that Thomas wants to be with her. And now Hope knows he is right; but she does not say anything. She needs to inform them now.

All Hope knows is that Thomas wants her. She has no idea that he's still scheming to get her. He is using Zoe to make it look like he's no longer obsessed. That's why Hope believes he is trying to move on.

She doesn't have any new information. She knows the same exact information that she always did. That Thomas says he loves her. What she doesn't know is that he's using Zoe to make her believe he is no longer obsessed with her. And that he's also using Douglas's insecurities.

What exactly is she supposed to inform everyone about? That Thomas still loves her? Everyone already knows that.

But you know who could say something? Steffy. She knows what Thomas is up to. She's also a part of it.

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by viennagirl @, Friday, February 14, 2020, 2:02AM (5 days ago) @ Heather172
edited by viennagirl, Friday, February 14, 2020, 2:14AM

If anyone has the power to put an end to Thomas' (supposedly so devious, evil, monstruous) plan, it's Hope.... Liam already told her that Thomas admitted to his face that he's using Zoe and Hope is his endgame.... Then Thomas directly told her how much he loves her and how he still wants to be with her.... She knows he used his son before and And today she saw him kissing Zoe in front of Douglas, which means she knows what he is doing....

I don't really get what Hope is supposed to say and what that would change?

They all know that Thomas just recently has still wanted Hope and has even hit on her at the time when they signed the papers at FC.

Thomas has told Hope that she is his first choice, but in every one of their talks he at the same time has assured her that he is moving on and isn't any longer fixated on her - even lied to her that he wishes her the best with Liam if that is what she wants (just to then stalk Hope and manipulate Steffy into kissing Liam when Hope would definitely have to watch it).

Hope will just look as paranoid as Liam is, because Thomas can just state that he has told Hope every time that he is trying to move on and has told Hope that he has accepted that he can't force anything and that a future for them might be impossible.

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Hope: What, that he cares about steffy? No. And if you're trying to say that to intimidate me, it's not going to work. You say you're moving on, and yet here you are--
Thomas: Here I am, looking after the mother of my child. That's all this is, okay? If liam leaves you, he hurts you and he goes back to steffy, what does that mean for douglas? I have every right to voice my concern.
Hope: Well, I am not worried about liam's feelings for steffy. I am worried about you, thomas. You threatened his life.
Thomas: You know, that's-- that's not exactly what happened.
Hope: Oh, okay, taking me to liam's gravesite? That's pretty--pretty hard to misinterpret.
Thomas: Look, he came in here, he was harassing me, okay? I'm not gonna apologize for defending myself.
Hope: I'm not looking for an apology, thomas. I just want to understand. You say that you've changed, you say that you're moving on, and it--and it seems like you're a couple with zoe, but I don't know. Is it a lie?
Thomas: [ Scoffs ]
Hope: You're still trying to manipulate me, aren't you? That's why you brought up liam's feelings for steffy. That's why you threatened him the way that you did. And look, I'm no fan of zoe, but if you don't really care about her you need to be honest with her. Please do not use her.
Thomas: Look, zoe has been good for me. She makes me happy. And yeah, I am attracted to her. What guy wouldn't be? But I share a son with you.
Thomas: Look, I'm not trying to make you uncomfortable. I'm trying to be as honest as I can and honestly, yes, I do believe that the best thing for douglas would be for us to be together, and for us to be a family--one family under one roof, but hey, I fully understand that isn't possible.

Hope: Do you?
Thomas: Yes, I do, but do you realize that it's not exactly the best idea to question my relationship with zoe? I mean, we just started dating, and yeah, I like her a lot, but please don't ask me to put a label on it.
Hope: Okay, well, I am not asking you to marry the girl. I just want to know what your intentions are and that you're not using her.
Thomas: Using her to-- to move on, maybe?
[ Chuckles ] I mean, but that should make you happy. That's what you wanted.
Hope: Well, using her to make me believe that you're moving on is something entirely different and that confrontation you had with liam, that's making me believe that that's exactly what you're doing.
Thomas: Liam has a way of twisting things around. All I was trying to say is that we're working on a line together. We're co-parenting douglas. That means that we're going to spend time with each other. We have a strong mutual love... for douglas. Of course that's gonna bond us and liam has to accept that but he couldn't, okay? That's why he barged in here and he got in my face, and yes, I overreacted. All right? I said something about his grave. It's not my finest moment. I can admit that. But I value the connection you have with my child, okay? The joy and the stability that you brought into his life. I'm not gonna mess that up. I'm not gonna risk him losing that, okay? By not doing everything that I can to move on from you. Trust me.
Hope: You know how much I adore douglas. And he will never lose me, ever. Thank you for being honest. I can...I can see your side of things. And I really do wish the best for you and zoe, whatever ends up happening.
Thomas: And--and, uh... and I'm hoping for the best for you and liam. If he's really the person you want to spend your life with.
(Jan 7, 2020)
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Thomas: Wow. Well, I wouldn't give you anything less. I'm devoted to you. I'm here for you, you know. Whatever you need. I'm sorry. That-- that might have come across as me coming on to you. Uh, that-- that's not what I'm doing, I promise. I just--I know that you've been going through a really tough time lately. I want to fix it. I want to make it better. But I have to be straight with you. That's probably not the best thing for me. I mean, if I'm being completely honest... maybe I should have tried harder to forget about you. Hey, your mother hates me. Your whole family, actually, and that's not gonna change.
Hope: Okay, what are you trying to say?
Thomas: Douglas loves you. And I don't regret giving you custody at all. But... it's not the only reason I did it. It's not just for him. You know I did it to show you how much I love you. And I do love you. But I'm beginning to realize you can't always get what you want, no matter how much you want it. And what I want most and what I had for so long is you.
Hope: Thomas, I thought things were going well with zoe.
Thomas: They are.
Hope: Okay, so you're still together?
Thomas: Yeah. I mean, she's--she's beautiful. Zoe's fun, you know? I mean, we enjoy each other.
Hope: Oh. So you're not serious.
Thomas: I'm-- I don't know. I can't say that we won't be. I need a life of my own, a woman of my own. That sounds possessive. That's not what I mean. I just--I... I need a woman who really appreciates me who I can build a life with. And you know I want that woman to be you.
Zoe: Oh. Uh, pam said that you were in here.
Thomas: Yeah, we're, uh, just going over my latest etch.
Zoe: Hmm.
Thomas: Hi.
Zoe: Hi. So you almost done?
Thomas: Um, I think so.
Hope: Plans tonight?
Thomas: Uh, yeah. Dinner.
Zoe: Yeah. And maybe we could catch that cabaret show in hollywood.
Thomas: That could actually go kind of late. Um, hope, I know this is short notice, but would you mind watching douglas tonight?
Hope: Sure.
(Feb 6, 2020)

Why is Hope not telling Brooke, Liam and Zoe...

by Steffyfanatic, Friday, February 14, 2020, 4:34AM (5 days ago) @ Heather172

If anyone has the power to put an end to Thomas' (supposedly so devious, evil, monstruous) plan, it's Hope.... Liam already told her that Thomas admitted to his face that he's using Zoe and Hope is his endgame.... Then Thomas directly told her how much he loves her and how he still wants to be with her.... She knows he used his son before and And today she saw him kissing Zoe in front of Douglas, which means she knows what he is doing....

She has the power to fire him from her line... She has the power to help her mother's marriage out, by telling her that she is right (and Ridge is wrong) about Thomas still wanting to be with her.... She has the power to prevent Zoe from lot of heartbreak, if she repeats what Thomas said in front of her... She has the power to cut most ties she has with Thomas (except the co-parenting), all she has to do is repeat what he said, expose him to Brooke and Zoe and stay away from him...

But no... Instead 1) she is still working with him, praising and complimenting him for his designs.... 2) She hides her last conversation with Thomas from her mother and tells her he is getting better and is no longer interested in her... 3) She continues to pretend Liam is wrong about Zoe and Thomas' relationship, instead of telling him the truth.... 4) She intends to let Thomas continue to lie to Zoe, she intends to let Zoe move on with a man knowing he would drop her in a heartbeat if she snapped her finger... (And finally, as Douglas' mother it's also her job to explain the boy that while she and Thomas are co-parenting him, they are never going to be together again... she is giving him false hopes instead)...

Apparently, Hope doesn't care about Liam's fears and what Thomas put him through and how he threatened him.... She doesn't mind that he is using her collection as a mean to be close to her... She doesn't care about her mother's marriage (or she would tell her the truth, instead of telling her the opposite)... She doesn't care about Zoe and the fact that Thomas is settling for her because he can't have her (or she would have run straight to Zoe the moment he told her)...

For all these reasons I can't see Hope as a victim... She knows what Thomas is doing with Zoe and Douglas and she knows he still wants her... She is still working with him, taking his side and siding with him aagainst Liam... She hasn't tried to put distance between them and still hasn't told Douglas his dreams won't come true... and won't tell Zoe or Hope the truth about her conversation with him..... She is lying to everybody and isn't doing anything to put an end to Thomas' quest!!!

I never thought Hope could be dumber than Liam but I was wrong. I’m sick of her, Thomas and this story overall. It’s time to move the f on.

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by MegsMom, Friday, February 14, 2020, 11:22AM (5 days ago) @ Heather172

Those are a lot of assumptions, which is fine, but no one truly knows what Hope is feeling or thinking. We, the viewers, may think Hope has the power to put an end to Thomas, but we see and know far more than Hope does. We may assume Hope is lying to everyone, but her reasons for doing what she is doing are her own and unknown to us. How you view her actions depends on how you feel about the character. If you dislike Hope, then it wouldn't matter if her behaviour matched Mother Teresa's. If you like the character of Hope, then you're more likely to cut her slack when she does seemingly nonsensical things. :neutral

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by Drangonfly, Friday, February 14, 2020, 9:33PM (4 days ago) @ Heather172

If anyone has the power to put an end to Thomas' (supposedly so devious, evil, monstruous) plan, it's Hope.... Liam already told her that Thomas admitted to his face that he's using Zoe and Hope is his endgame.... Then Thomas directly told her how much he loves her and how he still wants to be with her.... She knows he used his son before and And today she saw him kissing Zoe in front of Douglas, which means she knows what he is doing....

She has the power to fire him from her line... She has the power to help her mother's marriage out, by telling her that she is right (and Ridge is wrong) about Thomas still wanting to be with her.... She has the power to prevent Zoe from lot of heartbreak, if she repeats what Thomas said in front of her... She has the power to cut most ties she has with Thomas (except the co-parenting), all she has to do is repeat what he said, expose him to Brooke and Zoe and stay away from him...

But no... Instead 1) she is still working with him, praising and complimenting him for his designs.... 2) She hides her last conversation with Thomas from her mother and tells her he is getting better and is no longer interested in her... 3) She continues to pretend Liam is wrong about Zoe and Thomas' relationship, instead of telling him the truth.... 4) She intends to let Thomas continue to lie to Zoe, she intends to let Zoe move on with a man knowing he would drop her in a heartbeat if she snapped her finger... (And finally, as Douglas' mother it's also her job to explain the boy that while she and Thomas are co-parenting him, they are never going to be together again... she is giving him false hopes instead)...

Apparently, Hope doesn't care about Liam's fears and what Thomas put him through and how he threatened him.... She doesn't mind that he is using her collection as a mean to be close to her... She doesn't care about her mother's marriage (or she would tell her the truth, instead of telling her the opposite)... She doesn't care about Zoe and the fact that Thomas is settling for her because he can't have her (or she would have run straight to Zoe the moment he told her)...

For all these reasons I can't see Hope as a victim... She knows what Thomas is doing with Zoe and Douglas and she knows he still wants her... She is still working with him, taking his side and siding with him aagainst Liam... She hasn't tried to put distance between them and still hasn't told Douglas his dreams won't come true... and won't tell Zoe or Hope the truth about her conversation with him..... She is lying to everybody and isn't doing anything to put an end to Thomas' quest!!!

So, there we have it. Hope told Brooke today that she knows Thomas still wants her but is trying to move on with Zoe. No lying to Brooke, or anyone else. She really believes Thomas is trying to move on with Zoe.

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