Was it horrifying and terrible for Oliver? (General)
Tiqui1999 
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Did the Forresters care as much about this when it happened to Oliver? I know Oliver did not take drugs, but he thought he'd been with Hope. As it turned out, he'd been with her mother! Did Brooke feel a responsibility for that Forrester employee? Was she horrified that it had taken place at the Forrester estate? Did they worry about Oliver's reputation? Did he even have reputation problems -- you know, because he's a guy?
Just wondering for my "innocent" friend, Oliver, under that bus. Hope never went back to him after that. There is a double standard when this stuff happens to female characters versus male. And I think the writers are trying to have their cake, pie, and ice cream and eat them, too, with this mistaken sex storyline. They want to try to make it no one's fault while side-blaming Poppy and Zende. They can't have it both ways. They can't both blame these two characters and at the same time say they would never have done it on purpose.
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For Caroline when Ridge did it (she was married to Thorne)
Or for Brooke when Ridge did it (she was with Nick and on medication)
For Caroline when Ridge did it (she was married to Thorne)
Or for Brooke when Ridge did it (she was with Nick and on medication)
I hope if Brooke talks to Luna, she'll talk about her experiences -- from both sides. Caroline said later that she knew it had been Ridge and she'd wanted it. I don't agree with it, but that's how the SL went. But staying on topic, Oliver didn't get this sympathy, I don't think. Neither did Ridge when he had drugged sex with Taylor.
Was it horrifying and terrible for Oliver?
And the characters were never allowed to find out that Thomas drugged Liam.
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Tiqui1999 , 4/23/2024, 2:57PM (10 days ago) @Ilovebizzie- one person liked this
And the characters were never allowed to find out that Thomas drugged Liam.
Right. That has never been brought up or discussed, and neither did they delve into how horrifying it had to be for Liam to be told he was MARRIED to Quinn and having sex with her! That's way worse than this Luna thing. But did they address it like this? Was Liam allowed to feel traumatized? i don't recall if they chastised Quinn for having sex with a captive amnesiac.
Was it horrifying and terrible for Oliver?
I don’t think they ever did bring up that to Quinn.
And they’ll never bring up the drugged sex from when Thomas drugged him. Wasn’t it even implied in an interview that Liam just needed a little “help” to do what “he would have done anyway”?
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Tiqui1999 , 4/23/2024, 3:40PM (10 days ago) @Ilovebizzie- one person liked this
I don’t think they ever did bring up that to Quinn.
And they’ll never bring up the drugged sex from when Thomas drugged him. Wasn’t it even implied in an interview that Liam just needed a little “help” to do what “he would have done anyway”?
That's sick if it was said in an interview and just proves the show can't take this topic seriously when it happens to a guy.
Was it horrifying and terrible for Oliver?
I can’t remember the exact wording but I actually think it was SC defending the story, saying it didn’t need to come out and I’m pretty sure did say something to the effect that what Thomas did only made Liam do something he wanted to do anyway…..
That was when the story played out though, at a fan event more recently SC made a comment about something coming out “when Thomas drugging Liam comes out”.
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Tiqui1999 , 4/23/2024, 3:54PM (10 days ago) @Ilovebizzie- one person liked this
I can’t remember the exact wording but I actually think it was SC defending the story, saying it didn’t need to come out and I’m pretty sure did say something to the effect that what Thomas did only made Liam do something he wanted to do anyway…..
That was when the story played out though, at a fan event more recently SC made a comment about something coming out “when Thomas drugging Liam comes out”.
IDK but it just shows me the soap thinks stuff like this in relation to men is just funny.
Was it horrifying and terrible for Oliver?
Yeah, it does seem that way.
And like you said for Oliver, it destroyed his relationship with Hope, who he loved (I actually preferred him for Hope and was hoping she’d return to him).
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Tiqui1999 , 4/23/2024, 6:01PM (10 days ago) @Ilovebizzie- one person liked this
Yeah, it does seem that way.
And like you said for Oliver, it destroyed his relationship with Hope, who he loved (I actually preferred him for Hope and was hoping she’d return to him).
Yeah, it did. I'm guessing the family cares more about Luna than Oliver.
Was it horrifying and terrible for Oliver?
Yeah, it does seem that way.
And like you said for Oliver, it destroyed his relationship with Hope, who he loved (I actually preferred him for Hope and was hoping she’d return to him).
She was 17 a high school grad …it’s not like her and Oliver were committed ….too much a teenage thing it passes….Brooke getting sex at a teen party yikes
Was it horrifying and terrible for Oliver?
Good point Tiqui.
Between this and the Leffy flirting, I have not watched since last week.
You know this is all a big deal just because it’s Zende. Ridge has done this twice with not only no consequences but being rewarded with the women he did it to. One being Brooke. We know that’s never going to come up.
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Tiqui1999 , 4/23/2024, 3:00PM (10 days ago) @Ilovebizzie- one person liked this
Good point Tiqui.
Between this and the Leffy flirting, I have not watched since last week.
You know this is all a big deal just because it’s Zende. Ridge has done this twice with not only no consequences but being rewarded with the women he did it to. One being Brooke. We know that’s never going to come up.
I know they aren't going to handle this right. The proper way to handle it -- if Brooke is THIS LEVEL of upset -- is for her to talk about her past. Yeah, if Zende's at fault, someone needs to bring up Thomas and drunk Caroline. Ridge and drunk Caroline. Ridge and drugged Brooke. Taylor and drugged Ridge. Oliver and Brooke. And drunk Brooke and Deacon. And especially amnesiac Liam and Quinn.
If Luna is such a victim, what about the victims in these scenarios? The writers have pulled this TOO MANY TIMES over the years to suddenly want to make a federal case out of it.
Was it horrifying and terrible for Oliver?
All of this!
And for me personally, to make a federal case out of this particular incident makes me feel sick because I suspect that Zende is being treated differently because of the color of his skin. I’m sorry, I can’t help it….I get that vibe and it bothers the heck out of me…..
My only hope is that if Brooke suddenly despises Zende, maybe that could play into my dream of a Hope/Zende pairing….
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Tiqui1999 , 4/23/2024, 3:53PM (10 days ago) @Ilovebizzie- one person liked this
All of this!
And for me personally, to make a federal case out of this particular incident makes me feel sick because I suspect that Zende is being treated differently because of the color of his skin. I’m sorry, I can’t help it….I get that vibe and it bothers the heck out of me…..
My only hope is that if Brooke suddenly despises Zende, maybe that could play into my dream of a Hope/Zende pairing….
I don't know how race plays a factor or if it does, but I have a problem with Poppy, Asian, being blamed, and Zende (multi--racial?) being blamed.
I don't know if I EVER remember anyone on the show saying Thomas should have known better about Caroline because of Ridge, or Ridge should have known better about Caroline because of Thorne. It's very rare that she show makes a big deal of family ties in situations like this. The only other time I can recall is Steffy and Bill. They made that in NO WAY Steffy's fault, even though she kept telling them she knew what she'd been doing.
I take that back, Caroline told Thomas he should have known better because of her love for Ridge -- well, then it comes out 9 months later that she actually wanted it. So, no. Brooke has no case saying Zende should have known better because Luna "loves" RJ.
Was it horrifying and terrible for Oliver?
Well, I have a fear that the show wants Zende gone so they’re trying to convince the characters that he’s evil and then Zende will leave town to prove he means it that he wants to make amends.
With the Caroline thing, Ridge knew she thought he was Thorne because she wouldn’t say “back so soon” to Ridge. So even though they rewrote it that she knew it was Ridge (wasn’t shown that way), RIDGE thought she thought he was Thorne.
None of the characters ever cared about family when wanting someone lol. So Zende is not unique there at all.
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Tiqui1999 , 4/23/2024, 6:03PM (10 days ago) @Ilovebizzie- one person liked this
Well, I have a fear that the show wants Zende gone so they’re trying to convince the characters that he’s evil and then Zende will leave town to prove he means it that he wants to make amends.
With the Caroline thing, Ridge knew she thought he was Thorne because she wouldn’t say “back so soon” to Ridge. So even though they rewrote it that she knew it was Ridge (wasn’t shown that way), RIDGE thought she thought he was Thorne.
None of the characters ever cared about family when wanting someone lol. So Zende is not unique there at all.
Yes, all you say is correct, making what Ridge did with Caroline Sr much worse. And no, Zende is not unique in this department, but for some reason, he's now the villain in the script.
Was it horrifying and terrible for Oliver?
They’re not going to sell me on the idea that he’s a villain. Zende has shown remorse and isn’t doing anything to try to win over Luna. Even if he was, that doesn’t make him a villain because every character on this show save for Finn, Li and Poppy have manipulated someone to get them to choose them.
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Kammie , 4/23/2024, 8:58PM (10 days ago) @Tiqui1999
Zende is not multiracial, both of his bio-parents were dark skin Africans.
Was it horrifying and terrible for Oliver?
Tiqui1999 , 4/24/2024, 12:17AM (9 days ago) @Kammie
edited by Tiqui1999, 4/24/2024, 12:43AM
Was it horrifying and terrible for Oliver?
Did the Forresters care as much about this when it happened to Oliver? I know Oliver did not take drugs, but he thought he'd been with Hope. As it turned out, he'd been with her mother! Did Brooke feel a responsibility for that Forrester employee? Was she horrified that it had taken place at the Forrester estate? Did they worry about Oliver's reputation? Did he even have reputation problems -- you know, because he's a guy?
Just wondering for my "innocent" friend, Oliver, under that bus. Hope never went back to him after that. There is a double standard when this stuff happens to female characters versus male. And I think the writers are trying to have their cake, pie, and ice cream and eat them, too, with this mistaken sex storyline. They want to try to make it no one's fault while side-blaming Poppy and Zende. They can't have it both ways. They can't both blame these two characters and at the same time say they would never have done it on purpose.
It was so dumb Brooke having sex at all at a teen graduation party …..she was a idiot ..
Was it horrifying and terrible for Oliver?
Tiqui1999 , 4/23/2024, 3:28PM (10 days ago) @Barbybo- one person liked this
edited by Tiqui1999, 4/23/2024, 3:33PM
Did the Forresters care as much about this when it happened to Oliver? I know Oliver did not take drugs, but he thought he'd been with Hope. As it turned out, he'd been with her mother! Did Brooke feel a responsibility for that Forrester employee? Was she horrified that it had taken place at the Forrester estate? Did they worry about Oliver's reputation? Did he even have reputation problems -- you know, because he's a guy?
Just wondering for my "innocent" friend, Oliver, under that bus. Hope never went back to him after that. There is a double standard when this stuff happens to female characters versus male. And I think the writers are trying to have their cake, pie, and ice cream and eat them, too, with this mistaken sex storyline. They want to try to make it no one's fault while side-blaming Poppy and Zende. They can't have it both ways. They can't both blame these two characters and at the same time say they would never have done it on purpose.
It was so dumb Brooke having sex at all at a teen graduation party …..she was a idiot ..
Maybe it was or wasn't, but I don't recall Brooke feeling this protective for poor Oliver. In fact, she asked Oliver if he had "bragged" to people about this. So she hardly cared for him being traumatized. In fact, she's blaming it on Oliver for not agreeing with her that Hope wasn't ready for sex.
Unlike dumbass Luna, Oliver got why it probably needed to stay secret. Brooke even said if Oliver loved Hope, Oliver should shut up and stay shut up. But Luna on the other hand...?
Was it horrifying and terrible for Oliver?
Sammy , 4/23/2024, 3:38PM (10 days ago) @Barbybo
Did the Forresters care as much about this when it happened to Oliver? I know Oliver did not take drugs, but he thought he'd been with Hope. As it turned out, he'd been with her mother! Did Brooke feel a responsibility for that Forrester employee? Was she horrified that it had taken place at the Forrester estate? Did they worry about Oliver's reputation? Did he even have reputation problems -- you know, because he's a guy?
Just wondering for my "innocent" friend, Oliver, under that bus. Hope never went back to him after that. There is a double standard when this stuff happens to female characters versus male. And I think the writers are trying to have their cake, pie, and ice cream and eat them, too, with this mistaken sex storyline. They want to try to make it no one's fault while side-blaming Poppy and Zende. They can't have it both ways. They can't both blame these two characters and at the same time say they would never have done it on purpose.
It was so dumb Brooke having sex at all at a teen graduation party …..she was a idiot ..
I agree. Made no sense
Was it horrifying and terrible for Oliver?
Did the Forresters care as much about this when it happened to Oliver? I know Oliver did not take drugs, but he thought he'd been with Hope. As it turned out, he'd been with her mother! Did Brooke feel a responsibility for that Forrester employee? Was she horrified that it had taken place at the Forrester estate? Did they worry about Oliver's reputation? Did he even have reputation problems -- you know, because he's a guy?
Just wondering for my "innocent" friend, Oliver, under that bus. Hope never went back to him after that. There is a double standard when this stuff happens to female characters versus male. And I think the writers are trying to have their cake, pie, and ice cream and eat them, too, with this mistaken sex storyline. They want to try to make it no one's fault while side-blaming Poppy and Zende. They can't have it both ways. They can't both blame these two characters and at the same time say they would never have done it on purpose.
It was so dumb Brooke having sex at all at a teen graduation party …..she was a idiot ..
I agree. Made no sense
she showed her level of maturity tbh
Was it horrifying and terrible for Oliver?
It was also pretty dumb of Oliver to think Hope wanted her first time at a party.
Brooke made a serious and concerning error in judgment.
Oliver was an idiotic teenage boy
It was also pretty dumb of Oliver to think Hope wanted her first time at a party.
Brooke made a serious and concerning error in judgment.
Oliver was an idiotic teenage boy
Whether it was dumb or not Hope said she'd whisper "I'm ready" in his ear and that's exactly what happened. He was supposed to ask if she was sure or something?