Thomas's Timetable is Wrong (General)

I actually think Hope is putting Thomas first. Sure let them get engage and give him more false hope that they will be married. A broken engagement is just as devastating as a failed marriage. Also she is putting Douglas first, the moment she agrees to be married and "make them a real family" that kid would be devastated if they did not get married. Thomas has been gaslighted by his evil sister to believe things that are not true.

Sure Hope could give into his demands to become engaged, BUT she says she is not ready to get married and Thomas would pressure her to get married the next day.

She should have thought of all that the first time he proposed. Yeah Thomas knew what he was getting into when he continued on her terms after she turned down his proposal the first time but Hope also knew she had no intention of saying yes. Keeping the ring around her neck and dropping little tidbits like she is thinking about it and she doesn't take it lightly were just ways to make sure he doesn't go anywhere. She knew all along she didn't want to marry him. But she was more concerned with her own gratification rather than what another rejection would do to Thomas or Douglas. Hope has been extremely selfish since last July so I find it hard to believe that she's finally thinking of Thomas for a change. And yes she could lie and get engaged and then break it off down the line but as far as she's currently fallen, I think if she did that there would be no coming back for her. That would be unspeakably cruel, to both Thomas and Douglas. And even though it looks like the writers are hellbent on butchering her character I don't think they would dare go that far.

IA that she should have not let him put that ring on the chain around her neck. I do think Hope was honest with him right up until the 1st proposal this year. But, when he changed the status quo by proposing, she needed to end it with him after she told him no. Her face after the proposal and after he put it on the chain around her neck said it all. The look of despair on her face and the way she put her hand to her head behind his back was like she had the biggest migraine in the world. Since that proposal, Hope has been leading Tom on, does she know it? I think she does to some degree. Hope has been selfish since last July. The fact she went to drop her pants for Tom less than an hour after Liam dumped her shows just how selfish and self absorbed she has become. And the fact that she told Tom on the plane just a few days prior that they were a one and done deal in Rome, and was cold to him, also told us what she thought of Tom. Tom is not a long term plan for Hope, never has been, not since the first proposal on the beach years ago. She should have been a more decent human than he has ever been to her or her family, and never gotten involved with him romantically. I don't care that he is now heartbroken and burned...good....he should be made to feel what Lope and Brooke had to feel at his hands....heartbreak and burned.

Tom has now been inflicted with some of the pain he inflicted on Hope and her family. Now he knows a little of what they felt. Maybe it will teach him the lesson he did not learn before, that bad behavior should never be rewarded, and there is always a price to pay for your crimes. Tom is finally paying the price for what he did. Lesson learned. He should be forever denied Hope's whole heart and should take that with him as the lesson he learned from his tragic behavior and the pain he inflicted on others. Tom can now move forward with a piece of his heart in tatters, Just like Lope had to when they thought their child was dead forever. Just like Liam had to when he finally realized there would be no peace in his life with Tom always inserting himself into his life with Hope and Hope allowing Tom into their lives.

She has never said that she did not want to marry him. What she said is that she is not ready for another marriage at this time. She has already gotten out of one nightmare of a relationship/marriage. If Thomas really loved Hope he would be happy to have her and respect and understand why she feels the way she does.

AND she has never lead him on. She has made it crystal clear that in the beginning it was just sex, then it became a relationship, and when she is ready it will be marriage if Thomas (or Hope) doesn't screw it up.

I fully acknowledge that Thomas is counting the entire ten years he's been pursuing Hope in his timeline when he talks about how long he's been waiting. That doesn't make it correct. They've been in an official relationship since December. That's when he needs to start counting. If this was June and they were having this exact same conversation that would be one thing but we're talking three months. That's unreasonable for him to be upset that Hope isn't ready for marriage. Someone needs to tell him that. Instead Steffy convinced him he was right. That's the problem.

How is that fair to him? Why is he expected to work on Hope's timetable and not his own? The clock is ticking for him too. It's not like Hope doesn't know where he's coming from. She has known for years. And fine, even if she needs more time, what's stopping her from getting engaged at least? Thomas would have his commitment and Hope would get her time. Win win. But she won't even do that. It's either her way or the highway. Good for Thomas that he finally put himself first and walked away.

I don't think an engagement is something one compromises on. You compromise on where you live or how big the wedding is going to be. But an engagement is agreed to when both couples feel that it's the right time and know that it's what they want.

Thomas has to work on Hope's timetable on an engagement because she is the only one that can say when she is ready for it. She should accept a proposal only if it's something she wholeheartedly wants, not because Thomas wants it. And she may never want it and that's her right, too.

Indeed, good for Thomas for realizing that he'd rather walk away from Hope than work on her timetable. He has every right to do that. The problem is that, he'll probably realize afterwards that he did it because Steffy convinced him to, not because it's what he wants, and that he was collateral damage in her war against the Logans.

Agreed. Hope could agree to the engagement if that's what she wanted. But she doesn't. That was exactly the point of my post. Whether Thomas is walking away because Steffy convinced him or because he realized it's the right thing to do doesn't really matter. He needs to walk away if Hope isn't ready. She can go to him when she is and see if he's still on the same page. And if he isnt too bad. That's how it works in real life too.

Exactly.

I fully acknowledge that Thomas is counting the entire ten years he's been pursuing Hope in his timeline when he talks about how long he's been waiting. That doesn't make it correct. They've been in an official relationship since December. That's when he needs to start counting. If this was June and they were having this exact same conversation that would be one thing but we're talking three months. That's unreasonable for him to be upset that Hope isn't ready for marriage. Someone needs to tell him that. Instead Steffy convinced him he was right. That's the problem.

How is that fair to him? Why is he expected to work on Hope's timetable and not his own? The clock is ticking for him too. It's not like Hope doesn't know where he's coming from. She has known for years. And fine, even if she needs more time, what's stopping her from getting engaged at least? Thomas would have his commitment and Hope would get her time. Win win. But she won't even do that. It's either her way or the highway. Good for Thomas that he finally put himself first and walked away.

I don't think an engagement is something one compromises on. You compromise on where you live or how big the wedding is going to be. But an engagement is agreed to when both couples feel that it's the right time and know that it's what they want.

Thomas has to work on Hope's timetable on an engagement because she is the only one that can say when she is ready for it. She should accept a proposal only if it's something she wholeheartedly wants, not because Thomas wants it. And she may never want it and that's her right, too.

Indeed, good for Thomas for realizing that he'd rather walk away from Hope than work on her timetable. He has every right to do that. The problem is that, he'll probably realize afterwards that he did it because Steffy convinced him to, not because it's what he wants, and that he was collateral damage in her war against the Logans.

But the real issue isn't Steffy convincing him anything....it's the fact that his timetable and Hope's timetable do NOT align. I hate Thomas but him walking away is actually a mature thing to do. Hope can not guarantee him that she will eventually say yes to be his wife because even she admitted that she doesn't know her timetable. So how much longer is he suppose to wait? Another year? 5 years? What if she ultimately decided that she's walking away from Thope for good? Then he would be waiting all this time for absolutely nothing!

We don't know yet how this will all end. Maybe Thope are over. Maybe they reunite. But Steffy most definitely was a factor. She worked him for four episodes. I'm sure that wasn't meant to be filler.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

That makes sense, I didn’t consider that he was counting all the prior years. Then he’s being even more unfair. It hasn’t even been a year since Rome and even less time that they’re in a relationship. I completely understand Thomas’s POV but I also get Hope’s. She’s the one I feel most sorry for in this situation, my heart is breaking for her. He didn’t give her more time. He had everything he wanted and he just threw it away.

You cannot continue giving someone more time when there's no guarantee they'll come around to your way of thinking eventually. If they decide down the line that they don't want to be married to you, then you've wasted all the time over them when you could have actually found someone who is on the same page and wants exactly what you want. And as I've said before, if Hope will come around to wanting to marry him, then she should agree to an engagement at least. But shes not doing that either. Which means there's no guarantee that she wants a future with Thomas. How is it fair for him to continue waiting then, and wasting all his time when he wants to get married? Let Hope find someone who is content with just having fun and doesn't want a commitment and let Thomas find what he wants. That's how real life works too.

I don't think that's disputed. The thing is, Thomas might be feeling differently about it all if Steffy wasn't in his ear. He must realize it's not unreasonable for Hope to not even have marriage on her mind so soon after a divorce...let alone get engaged.

I don't agree. He is the one that stormed out in anger when she rejected his proposal. In fact, I'd say Steffys reaction stems from how angry Thomas was. If he had been nonchalant about it I doubt Steffy would have pushed so hard for him to break up with Hope. Case in point, the first proposal. Thomas was ok with Hopes rejection. Steffy wasn't happy but she didn't interfere. By the same logic if Thomas had accepted Hope's rejection again, in my opinion Steffy would have stayed out of it again.

That makes sense, I didn’t consider that he was counting all the prior years. Then he’s being even more unfair. It hasn’t even been a year since Rome and even less time that they’re in a relationship. I completely understand Thomas’s POV but I also get Hope’s. She’s the one I feel most sorry for in this situation, my heart is breaking for her. He didn’t give her more time. He had everything he wanted and he just threw it away.

You cannot continue giving someone more time when there's no guarantee they'll come around to your way of thinking eventually. If they decide down the line that they don't want to be married to you, then you've wasted all the time over them when you could have actually found someone who is on the same page and wants exactly what you want. And as I've said before, if Hope will come around to wanting to marry him, then she should agree to an engagement at least. But shes not doing that either. Which means there's no guarantee that she wants a future with Thomas. How is it fair for him to continue waiting then, and wasting all his time when he wants to get married? Let Hope find someone who is content with just having fun and doesn't want a commitment and let Thomas find what he wants. That's how real life works too.

Exactly. And I know people who have had crushes on people since high school. They finally got a chance with them, but then the person didn't want to progress. Knowing they had been in love with that person since high school, they let them go. It doesn't matter how long one person has been in love versus the other. When one person thinks they've been involved for too long, even if it's one day, they have a right to walk away, which is contrary to what the original post states.

The original post states that Thomas should discard and disregard all the time that he has been longing for Hope and dreaming of a life in marriage with her and give her even more of his energy. I vehemently disagree with that.

I completely disagree with that as well. And it galls me to say this because I'm no Thomas fan but his feelings are just as valid as Hope's. He can't discard all the years of loving and waiting simply because Hope wasn't ready at the time and she's ready now. That is just not fair. And if the situation were reversed it wouldn't be fair to Hope either.

That makes sense, I didn’t consider that he was counting all the prior years. Then he’s being even more unfair. It hasn’t even been a year since Rome and even less time that they’re in a relationship. I completely understand Thomas’s POV but I also get Hope’s. She’s the one I feel most sorry for in this situation, my heart is breaking for her. He didn’t give her more time. He had everything he wanted and he just threw it away.

You cannot continue giving someone more time when there's no guarantee they'll come around to your way of thinking eventually. If they decide down the line that they don't want to be married to you, then you've wasted all the time over them when you could have actually found someone who is on the same page and wants exactly what you want. And as I've said before, if Hope will come around to wanting to marry him, then she should agree to an engagement at least. But shes not doing that either. Which means there's no guarantee that she wants a future with Thomas. How is it fair for him to continue waiting then, and wasting all his time when he wants to get married? Let Hope find someone who is content with just having fun and doesn't want a commitment and let Thomas find what he wants. That's how real life works too.

I get that, but for her it’s been about three months and not years. Nothing is guaranteed and love is always taking a chance. You’re right it’s not fair to him, but giving it 6 more months wouldn’t have killed him. Don’t get me wrong I think he was right to leave but I think he owes her more grace. I mean he’s wanted her for years and it was just last yr she even looked at him romantically. I’m also taking into account the multiple chances Hope has afforded him.

Like you said, love is always taking a chance. She wasn't willing to take that leap of faith. He doesn't owe her anything. That's the same conversation we had about Liam owing her forgiveness. They don't owe her anything. It may sound unfair, but they don't.

Thomas has an obsession problem. And he needs to go and take care of himself. He's had enough. He did give her a chance and he gave her time. He proposed three times. The show keeps saying twice, but it was actually three. And between each proposal was time. Now he questioned whether he gave her enough time, but he did give her the time he said he was going to give her from the first proposal to the last.

That makes sense, I didn’t consider that he was counting all the prior years. Then he’s being even more unfair. It hasn’t even been a year since Rome and even less time that they’re in a relationship. I completely understand Thomas’s POV but I also get Hope’s. She’s the one I feel most sorry for in this situation, my heart is breaking for her. He didn’t give her more time. He had everything he wanted and he just threw it away.

It is very fair to Thomas for Thomas to decide that after a decade of wanting hope, he needs to let go and refocus his life. He has every right to think that and decide that and to do that because he's the one that's been obsessed with her since Beth was an infant.

I can agree with this and still think he’s being unfair to her. I believe he should and did do what’s best for him and Douglas but Hope was promised more time that she didn’t get.

He gave her more time. That's why the ring was around her neck. He questioned whether he had given her enough time, but he did give her more time.