Why I think Liam doesn't care about Steffy's past cheating - The World of the Bold & the Beautiful Fan Forum

There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

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It would do Liam good if he were alone for a while...just to see that even if you have one woman in your front pocket and the other in the back pocket, like an insurance to never be single, this can change.
Like Ridge had to learn after the failed Tridge wedding...though I have to say, the show, which at first showed us two strong women leaving the man who played them for decades, in the end messed up by (of course) having Taylor and Brooke fight over Ridge in the end like in old times.

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It would do Liam good if he were alone for a while...just to see that even if you have one woman in your front pocket and the other in the back pocket, like an insurance to never be single, this can change.
Like Ridge had to learn after the failed Tridge wedding...though I have to say, the show, which at first showed us two strong women leaving the man who played them for decades, in the end messed up by (of course) having Taylor and Brooke fight over Ridge in the end like in old times.

Men have to be the ones writing this... Brooke, Taylor, Hope, Steffy... All rich, beautiful and successful, but can't let go of mediocre waffles.

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It would do Liam good if he were alone for a while...just to see that even if you have one woman in your front pocket and the other in the back pocket, like an insurance to never be single, this can change.
Like Ridge had to learn after the failed Tridge wedding...though I have to say, the show, which at first showed us two strong women leaving the man who played them for decades, in the end messed up by (of course) having Taylor and Brooke fight over Ridge in the end like in old times.

Two sixty mature women who didn’t learn by now need psychiatrists…..looks like steffy got a brain now butHope time will tell but she needs to dump Liam he will allways have steffy on his mind

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I am so ready for a strong hope!! She was a lot stronger when she was younger play by Kim Matula. I don’t understand the switch into immaturity, sort of like what they did with Taylor uuggh

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

To me it has more to do with who he thought they were in the first place. Not that he thought Steffy was capable of sleeping with his father per se, but what Hope did, and he doesn’t even know the half of it (yet?), was a bigger fall from the virtuous perfect pedestal he (and she) had her standing on. He never put Steffy in a pedestal in the first place; he saw her for who she is.

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I agree here, I think Liam had Hope up on a pedestal as someone who would never do certain things and now her halo or his Hope goggles has fallen off. I would venture to say that Hope kissing Thomas probably hurt him more than Steffy sleeping with Bill.

He saw Steffy's flaws...

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

I don't think it has anything to do with a divided heart. I think Liam has gotten past it with Steffy for a few reasons. He did not see it happen with his own eyes. Steffy was not gaslighting him for months before it happened and lying to him. Steffy did not come back into his life at his lowest point and promise him she was nothing like his cheating wife, then turn out to BE like his cheating wife. Steffy never laid in his arms naked thinking about having sex with another man to the point, she had to jump up, get dressed and rush out of the house. And, Liam may not have known then what was going on with Hope, but he knows now. And most important and to me the top reason....the man Steffy cheated with never once wanted his child to be dead forever. Anyway, I think Liam is so betrayed by Hope and cannot forgive her because she may not have planned to have weird feelings about Tom, but when she began having them, she began acting with malice intent toward Liam. Steffy never hurt him purposefully. Liam pegged it perfectly on Thursday, she never forgave him for the ONS, she just let it fester, then she decided to punish Liam.

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I think though Hope probably never should have been put on a pedestal by Liam because she is just human too on the other hand she is not malicious and evil as you describe her.
We watched her having feelings she didn´t understand, we watched her trying to fight them.
She didn´t think about punishing Liam for his waffling consciously, I think it was rather unconsciously that this happened.
She would have liked to let the kiss stay in Rome if it had been possible, she didn´t want Liam to see it, but as Liam was watching it the drama unfolded.
This was not some devilish plan by Hope but just probably being not really happy in her marriage for some time.
She better should have talked to Liam about it before Rome happened, but she thought she had it all under control. :roll

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I think though Hope probably never should have been put on a pedestal by Liam because she is just human too on the other hand she is not malicious and evil as you describe her.
We watched her having feelings she didn´t understand, we watched her trying to fight them.
She didn´t think about punishing Liam for his waffling consciously, I think it was rather unconsciously that this happened.
She would have liked to let the kiss stay in Rome if it had been possible, she didn´t want Liam to see it, but as Liam was watching it the drama unfolded.
This was not some devilish plan by Hope but just probably being not really happy in her marriage for some time.
She better should have talked to Liam about it before Rome happened, but she thought she had it all under control.

Yeah now he puts Steffy on a pedestal... God knows why because he knows how flawed she is. He will put Hope on a pedestal again when the SL will change.

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Probably. Though I would wish for both Hope and Steffy to be with someone else and no option for Liam anymore. He really should be single for some time.

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Probably. Though I would wish for both Hope and Steffy to be with someone else and no option for Liam anymore. He really should be single for some time.

Sadly Liam is the new Ridge with his forever divided feelings and being both Hope and Steffy's first choice... These women can move on for some time, fall for some other dudes, but eventually they will turn to lil puke. :roll

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I think though Hope probably never should have been put on a pedestal by Liam because she is just human too on the other hand she is not malicious and evil as you describe her.
We watched her having feelings she didn´t understand, we watched her trying to fight them.
She didn´t think about punishing Liam for his waffling consciously, I think it was rather unconsciously that this happened.
She would have liked to let the kiss stay in Rome if it had been possible, she didn´t want Liam to see it, but as Liam was watching it the drama unfolded.
This was not some devilish plan by Hope but just probably being not really happy in her marriage for some time.
She better should have talked to Liam about it before Rome happened, but she thought she had it all under control.

Great post. I agree with every word. Hope didn't set out to hurt Liam. She was horrified by the idea that she was becoming attracted to Thomas. It messed with her head. She didn't even understand it. It was only after Liam refused to forgive her that she realized that she became attracted to him because he was the anti-Liam...a one-woman-man. She explained that in the scene where she gave him the divorce papers.

If you set aside the fact that it was Thomas, the person who hurt their family, that she cheated on Liam with, what did Hope do? A kiss and some hand holding. That pales in comparison to the things Liam has done to hurt Hope. He even said he would have forgiven her if it was anyone else.

Hope is a good person. She lost her way and acted out of character. It was great to hear Liam finally admit that he contributed to that with his divided heart and his many, many times he hurt Hope with her bully.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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I think though Hope probably never should have been put on a pedestal by Liam because she is just human too on the other hand she is not malicious and evil as you describe her.
We watched her having feelings she didn´t understand, we watched her trying to fight them.
She didn´t think about punishing Liam for his waffling consciously, I think it was rather unconsciously that this happened.
She would have liked to let the kiss stay in Rome if it had been possible, she didn´t want Liam to see it, but as Liam was watching it the drama unfolded.
This was not some devilish plan by Hope but just probably being not really happy in her marriage for some time.
She better should have talked to Liam about it before Rome happened, but she thought she had it all under control.

Great post. I agree with every word. Hope didn't set out to hurt Liam. She was horrified by the idea that she was becoming attracted to Thomas. It messed with her head. She didn't even understand it. It was only after Liam refused to forgive her that she realized that she became attracted to him because he was the anti-Liam...a one-woman-man. She explained that in the scene where she gave him the divorce papers.

If you set aside the fact that it was Thomas, the person who hurt their family, that she cheated on Liam with, what did Hope do? A kiss and some hand holding. That pales in comparison to the things Liam has done to hurt Hope. He even said he would have forgiven her if it was anyone else.

Hope is a good person. She lost her way and acted out of character. It was great to hear Liam finally admit that he contributed to that with his divided heart and his many, many times he hurt Hope with her bully.

But like not even 3 years ago he said he wouldn't forgive her for cheating... No matter if it was Thomas or someone else.

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I think though Hope probably never should have been put on a pedestal by Liam because she is just human too on the other hand she is not malicious and evil as you describe her.
We watched her having feelings she didn´t understand, we watched her trying to fight them.
She didn´t think about punishing Liam for his waffling consciously, I think it was rather unconsciously that this happened.
She would have liked to let the kiss stay in Rome if it had been possible, she didn´t want Liam to see it, but as Liam was watching it the drama unfolded.
This was not some devilish plan by Hope but just probably being not really happy in her marriage for some time.
She better should have talked to Liam about it before Rome happened, but she thought she had it all under control.

Great post. I agree with every word. Hope didn't set out to hurt Liam. She was horrified by the idea that she was becoming attracted to Thomas. It messed with her head. She didn't even understand it. It was only after Liam refused to forgive her that she realized that she became attracted to him because he was the anti-Liam...a one-woman-man. She explained that in the scene where she gave him the divorce papers.

If you set aside the fact that it was Thomas, the person who hurt their family, that she cheated on Liam with, what did Hope do? A kiss and some hand holding. That pales in comparison to the things Liam has done to hurt Hope. He even said he would have forgiven her if it was anyone else.

Hope is a good person. She lost her way and acted out of character. It was great to hear Liam finally admit that he contributed to that with his divided heart and his many, many times he hurt Hope with her bully.

It was a good thing to hear....and now Hope needs to do the right thing for her child and even for Tom, who has a history of mental illness and obsession....she needs to stay away from him completely. Anything less will show her to be selfish and self absorbed. Thomas harmed her child, and he cannot change that fact. Tom marginalized Beth Spencer's importance when he allowed the crime of her abduction and being sold to the highest bidder to keep going on. He put his own wants and needs over a helpless child. That is abuse of a child. He abused his own son, called him names to his face, told him to lie or else, twisted his arm, raised his fist to hit him and the kid was showing flinching from him, which IRL would denote, it was not the first time it happened. That is physical and mental abuse. If Tom had sexually abused these kids we would not be rooting for him to end up with their mother....so why is it any different when he abused them in other ways? And what kind of mother would even want to be touched by a man that abused her children.....it is just sickening. JMO....but I think this show is really sickening for pairing Tom with Hope in any way.

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I think though Hope probably never should have been put on a pedestal by Liam because she is just human too on the other hand she is not malicious and evil as you describe her.
We watched her having feelings she didn´t understand, we watched her trying to fight them.
She didn´t think about punishing Liam for his waffling consciously, I think it was rather unconsciously that this happened.
She would have liked to let the kiss stay in Rome if it had been possible, she didn´t want Liam to see it, but as Liam was watching it the drama unfolded.
This was not some devilish plan by Hope but just probably being not really happy in her marriage for some time.
She better should have talked to Liam about it before Rome happened, but she thought she had it all under control.

Great post. I agree with every word. Hope didn't set out to hurt Liam. She was horrified by the idea that she was becoming attracted to Thomas. It messed with her head. She didn't even understand it. It was only after Liam refused to forgive her that she realized that she became attracted to him because he was the anti-Liam...a one-woman-man. She explained that in the scene where she gave him the divorce papers.

If you set aside the fact that it was Thomas, the person who hurt their family, that she cheated on Liam with, what did Hope do? A kiss and some hand holding. That pales in comparison to the things Liam has done to hurt Hope. He even said he would have forgiven her if it was anyone else.

Hope is a good person. She lost her way and acted out of character. It was great to hear Liam finally admit that he contributed to that with his divided heart and his many, many times he hurt Hope with her bully.

It was a good thing to hear....and now Hope needs to do the right thing for her child and even for Tom, who has a history of mental illness and obsession....she needs to stay away from him completely. Anything less will show her to be selfish and self absorbed. Thomas harmed her child, and he cannot change that fact. Tom marginalized Beth Spencer's importance when he allowed the crime of her abduction and being sold to the highest bidder to keep going on. He put his own wants and needs over a helpless child. That is abuse of a child. He abused his own son, called him names to his face, told him to lie or else, twisted his arm, raised his fist to hit him and the kid was showing flinching from him, which IRL would denote, it was not the first time it happened. That is physical and mental abuse. If Tom had sexually abused these kids we would not be rooting for him to end up with their mother....so why is it any different when he abused them in other ways? And what kind of mother would even want to be touched by a man that abused her children.....it is just sickening. JMO....but I think this show is really sickening for pairing Tom with Hope in any way.

I agree that it's unrealistic and I can understand why it's a turn off for some viewers that Hope would ever be paired with Thomas. But if they're writing it that way then, IMO, it's a reflection on the writing team and their decision to go this route. It doesn't tell me that they're trying to write the Hope character as a horrible person.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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No, I rather think they are trying to write Tom as a better person now. They want to redeem him in a way so he can be put with a "normal" woman, like Hope or like whoever would come after Hope.

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No, I rather think they are trying to write Tom as a better person now. They want to redeem him in a way so he can be put with a "normal" woman, like Hope or like whoever would come after Hope.

That's exactly what I'm seeing. I think they are done writing Thomas as the villain and they now want him as a male romantic lead. They have a long row to hoe with that because some viewers will never accept it. But I think that's what they're doing.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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Well his mommy is a killer and his dad is a stalker rapist that have kept children from their parents too, yet for some they are these wonderful law abiding citizens and heroes of the universe. :rules

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I think though Hope probably never should have been put on a pedestal by Liam because she is just human too on the other hand she is not malicious and evil as you describe her.
We watched her having feelings she didn´t understand, we watched her trying to fight them.
She didn´t think about punishing Liam for his waffling consciously, I think it was rather unconsciously that this happened.
She would have liked to let the kiss stay in Rome if it had been possible, she didn´t want Liam to see it, but as Liam was watching it the drama unfolded.
This was not some devilish plan by Hope but just probably being not really happy in her marriage for some time.
She better should have talked to Liam about it before Rome happened, but she thought she had it all under control.

I am not disputing what you are saying....but people should not be excused for the harm they have done....because they were confused. Liam knew what he was doing bedding Steffy the night of the ONS...if Hope had told the truth that she could not get past it, none of this now would be happening and he would have deserved to be divorced. Instead she took 3.5 months to decide and then "forgave" him because of the Vinny situation. But in truth, as she admitted herself, she never really forgave him, it was just her trying to forgive him and always waiting for him to do it again. Hope didn't even want to give Liam the same grace he gave her, when he hung in there trying to get her to forgive him....she gave it 2 days and then was off banging Tom. Liam is right and Hope knows it, she could not forgive him and "tried" to forgive without ever telling him she was struggling. He is more honest than her, he told her straight out....he cannot forgive her spitting in their child's face....and what is the point when they are going to end up right back in the same place in a year or two. He is right. It was time to end the marriage. But, her going to Thomas in any way forward is not acceptable, because Thomas did harm their child, and Thomas harmed his own child, and Thomas harmed Hope and he has a criminal background going back years. Thomas is not safe and he has had mental issues for years...and he will again. Unless they tell us he is now in deep therapy....and we know he is not...because the first thing a REAL therapist would tell him is, to not get involved with the woman and child he harmed while in dissociative state.

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I think though Hope probably never should have been put on a pedestal by Liam because she is just human too on the other hand she is not malicious and evil as you describe her.
We watched her having feelings she didn´t understand, we watched her trying to fight them.
She didn´t think about punishing Liam for his waffling consciously, I think it was rather unconsciously that this happened.
She would have liked to let the kiss stay in Rome if it had been possible, she didn´t want Liam to see it, but as Liam was watching it the drama unfolded.
This was not some devilish plan by Hope but just probably being not really happy in her marriage for some time.
She better should have talked to Liam about it before Rome happened, but she thought she had it all under control.

I am not disputing what you are saying....but people should not be excused for the harm they have done....because they were confused. Liam knew what he was doing bedding Steffy the night of the ONS...if Hope had told the truth that she could not get past it, none of this now would be happening and he would have deserved to be divorced. Instead she took 3.5 months to decide and then "forgave" him because of the Vinny situation. But in truth, as she admitted herself, she never really forgave him, it was just her trying to forgive him and always waiting for him to do it again. Hope didn't even want to give Liam the same grace he gave her, when he hung in there trying to get her to forgive him....she gave it 2 days and then was off banging Tom. Liam is right and Hope knows it, she could not forgive him and "tried" to forgive without ever telling him she was struggling. He is more honest than her, he told her straight out....he cannot forgive her spitting in their child's face....and what is the point when they are going to end up right back in the same place in a year or two. He is right. It was time to end the marriage. But, her going to Thomas in any way forward is not acceptable, because Thomas did harm their child, and Thomas harmed his own child, and Thomas harmed Hope and he has a criminal background going back years. Thomas is not safe and he has had mental issues for years...and he will again. Unless they tell us he is now in deep therapy....and we know he is not...because the first thing a REAL therapist would tell him is, to not get involved with the woman and child he harmed while in dissociative state.

And yet, we have Liam now, finally admitting that Hope was right about him. Finally admitting that, yes, he does have a divided heart and that it is not going to change.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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This really was a step forward...admitting that he is NOT a 1-woman-man...I hope that Hope listened very well to this because if she got back with him in the future she never could say she didn´t know he would never change...now she knows.

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This really was a step forward...admitting that he is NOT a 1-woman-man...I hope that Hope listened very well to this because if she got back with him in the future she never could say she didn´t know he would never change...now she knows.

Yes, a very big step for Liam. I think it's going to come into play in the story with him, Steffy, and Finn. He's going to find out that it is NOT okay to bounce from one woman to another. He's done that for years and someone always gets hurt because of it. I think this time it may be Liam that gets hurt by it, if Steffy rejects him. Then he can reflect on how he wound up with neither woman.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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I hope that he, indeed, does not end up with either woman. It’s great for him to admit this, perhaps a step in the right direction, but he does have to understand the repercussions of that realization. He can be that way, but neither of these women are going to accept it anymore.

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Well there is always Taylor for him... She likes them young and is probably trawling the dock bars looking for sex.

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Well there is always Taylor for him... She likes them young and is probably trawling the dock bars looking for sex.

:lol

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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I think though Hope probably never should have been put on a pedestal by Liam because she is just human too on the other hand she is not malicious and evil as you describe her.
We watched her having feelings she didn´t understand, we watched her trying to fight them.
She didn´t think about punishing Liam for his waffling consciously, I think it was rather unconsciously that this happened.
She would have liked to let the kiss stay in Rome if it had been possible, she didn´t want Liam to see it, but as Liam was watching it the drama unfolded.
This was not some devilish plan by Hope but just probably being not really happy in her marriage for some time.
She better should have talked to Liam about it before Rome happened, but she thought she had it all under control.

I am not disputing what you are saying....but people should not be excused for the harm they have done....because they were confused. Liam knew what he was doing bedding Steffy the night of the ONS...if Hope had told the truth that she could not get past it, none of this now would be happening and he would have deserved to be divorced. Instead she took 3.5 months to decide and then "forgave" him because of the Vinny situation. But in truth, as she admitted herself, she never really forgave him, it was just her trying to forgive him and always waiting for him to do it again. Hope didn't even want to give Liam the same grace he gave her, when he hung in there trying to get her to forgive him....she gave it 2 days and then was off banging Tom. Liam is right and Hope knows it, she could not forgive him and "tried" to forgive without ever telling him she was struggling. He is more honest than her, he told her straight out....he cannot forgive her spitting in their child's face....and what is the point when they are going to end up right back in the same place in a year or two. He is right. It was time to end the marriage. But, her going to Thomas in any way forward is not acceptable, because Thomas did harm their child, and Thomas harmed his own child, and Thomas harmed Hope and he has a criminal background going back years. Thomas is not safe and he has had mental issues for years...and he will again. Unless they tell us he is now in deep therapy....and we know he is not...because the first thing a REAL therapist would tell him is, to not get involved with the woman and child he harmed while in dissociative state.

Correct and let's not forget that she used Steffy and Liam as an excuse to go over there and have sex with Thomas. On the one hand, she was perfectly fine to lie and gaslight, acting like she wanted Liam in Rome -- why? So they three can hold hands and kiss in the streets together? And her intent to leave Thomas in the dust after Rome made me, a semi-believer in Thomas' recovery, extremely angry.

But there's no confusion. She intended to go forward as if it never happened -- doing this to both men. SMH Unbelieveable. But she got caught, and when she got caught, she decided to use Steam as her excuse to go ahead and have the sex she wanted to have all along. That's pretty bad.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

I don't think it has anything to do with a divided heart. I think Liam has gotten past it with Steffy for a few reasons. He did not see it happen with his own eyes. Steffy was not gaslighting him for months before it happened and lying to him. Steffy did not come back into his life at his lowest point and promise him she was nothing like his cheating wife, then turn out to BE like his cheating wife. Steffy never laid in his arms naked thinking about having sex with another man to the point, she had to jump up, get dressed and rush out of the house. And, Liam may not have known then what was going on with Hope, but he knows now. And most important and to me the top reason....the man Steffy cheated with never once wanted his child to be dead forever. Anyway, I think Liam is so betrayed by Hope and cannot forgive her because she may not have planned to have weird feelings about Tom, but when she began having them, she began acting with malice intent toward Liam. Steffy never hurt him purposefully. Liam pegged it perfectly on Thursday, she never forgave him for the ONS, she just let it fester, then she decided to punish Liam.

Steffy just tried to lie even when she was caught and later yelled at him for kissing Hope and acted revengeful because Liam dared to kiss Hope after she "begged him to stay after she had sex with his dad" ...when they weren't even engaged. I won't even talk about all the times Steffy manipulated Liam's life over and over again. Hope's reaction to Liam's cheating was less aggressive than Steffy's reaction to a Lope kiss after she herself had an ONS with Liam's dad :whistle Hope's reaction to Liam's night with Steffy was also way even less aggressive and cruel then Liam's reaction to the Thope kiss, but I think we could expect it because Liam said that he begs Hope to forgive him something he wouldn't forgive her himself... So his lack of forgiveness is not about Thomas being bad or seeing the kiss or anything like that, but it's based on the fact that it's how Liam is and he confirmed it with his own words. If for Liam one cheating is worse because he saw it and not just heard about it then it means that he is just... Stupid. I don't think he is that dense... I seriously think that if he will be able to steal Steffy from a guy as sexy and great as Finn he will repair his current low self esteem.
Liam will put Hope on a pedestal again.. Mark my words. Now he puts Steffy on a pedestal even if few years ago he told her that the ONS with Bill changed how he see's her forever. <img src= " />

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Good post! I think you are right!

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

I don't think it has anything to do with a divided heart. I think Liam has gotten past it with Steffy for a few reasons. He did not see it happen with his own eyes. Steffy was not gaslighting him for months before it happened and lying to him. Steffy did not come back into his life at his lowest point and promise him she was nothing like his cheating wife, then turn out to BE like his cheating wife. Steffy never laid in his arms naked thinking about having sex with another man to the point, she had to jump up, get dressed and rush out of the house. And, Liam may not have known then what was going on with Hope, but he knows now. And most important and to me the top reason....the man Steffy cheated with never once wanted his child to be dead forever. Anyway, I think Liam is so betrayed by Hope and cannot forgive her because she may not have planned to have weird feelings about Tom, but when she began having them, she began acting with malice intent toward Liam. Steffy never hurt him purposefully. Liam pegged it perfectly on Thursday, she never forgave him for the ONS, she just let it fester, then she decided to punish Liam.

What I'm wondering is...how can the staged kiss be explained? There was a manipulation that was involved but the manipulation wouldn't have worked unless Liam had responded to it the way that Thomas and Steffy hoped he would. And he did. And unlike the ONS, he didn't kiss Steffy because he thought Hope cheated on him. He kissed her because he had feelings for her. He had feelings for Hope's bully. I mean, here she was, setting Hope and Liam up so they would break up and she could have Liam for herself, and he has feelings for her. This is what Hope had to live with, throughout their marriage.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

I don't think it has anything to do with a divided heart. I think Liam has gotten past it with Steffy for a few reasons. He did not see it happen with his own eyes. Steffy was not gaslighting him for months before it happened and lying to him. Steffy did not come back into his life at his lowest point and promise him she was nothing like his cheating wife, then turn out to BE like his cheating wife. Steffy never laid in his arms naked thinking about having sex with another man to the point, she had to jump up, get dressed and rush out of the house. And, Liam may not have known then what was going on with Hope, but he knows now. And most important and to me the top reason....the man Steffy cheated with never once wanted his child to be dead forever. Anyway, I think Liam is so betrayed by Hope and cannot forgive her because she may not have planned to have weird feelings about Tom, but when she began having them, she began acting with malice intent toward Liam. Steffy never hurt him purposefully. Liam pegged it perfectly on Thursday, she never forgave him for the ONS, she just let it fester, then she decided to punish Liam.

What I'm wondering is...how can the staged kiss be explained? There was a manipulation that was involved but the manipulation wouldn't have worked unless Liam had responded to it the way that Thomas and Steffy hoped he would. And he did. And unlike the ONS, he didn't kiss Steffy because he thought Hope cheated on him. He kissed her because he had feelings for her. He had feelings for Hope's bully. I mean, here she was, setting Hope and Liam up so they would break up and she could have Liam for herself, and he has feelings for her. This is what Hope had to live with, throughout their marriage.

The kiss was staged by Steffy and Thomas, but Liam's betrayal was real once more... He kissed Steffy back. Hope forgave him because she was so angry at Thomas and Steffy for lying that she lied to herself that their actions somehow erase what Liam did... Again.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

I don't think it has anything to do with a divided heart. I think Liam has gotten past it with Steffy for a few reasons. He did not see it happen with his own eyes. Steffy was not gaslighting him for months before it happened and lying to him. Steffy did not come back into his life at his lowest point and promise him she was nothing like his cheating wife, then turn out to BE like his cheating wife. Steffy never laid in his arms naked thinking about having sex with another man to the point, she had to jump up, get dressed and rush out of the house. And, Liam may not have known then what was going on with Hope, but he knows now. And most important and to me the top reason....the man Steffy cheated with never once wanted his child to be dead forever. Anyway, I think Liam is so betrayed by Hope and cannot forgive her because she may not have planned to have weird feelings about Tom, but when she began having them, she began acting with malice intent toward Liam. Steffy never hurt him purposefully. Liam pegged it perfectly on Thursday, she never forgave him for the ONS, she just let it fester, then she decided to punish Liam.

What I'm wondering is...how can the staged kiss be explained? There was a manipulation that was involved but the manipulation wouldn't have worked unless Liam had responded to it the way that Thomas and Steffy hoped he would. And he did. And unlike the ONS, he didn't kiss Steffy because he thought Hope cheated on him. He kissed her because he had feelings for her. He had feelings for Hope's bully. I mean, here she was, setting Hope and Liam up so they would break up and she could have Liam for herself, and he has feelings for her. This is what Hope had to live with, throughout their marriage.

The kiss was staged by Steffy and Thomas, but Liam's betrayal was real once more... He kissed Steffy back. Hope forgave him because she was so angry at Thomas and Steffy for lying that she lied to herself that their actions somehow erase what Liam did... Again.

Exactly. Steffy's cruelty to Hope doesn't rise to the level of what Thomas did. But she is to Hope what Thomas is to Liam. Liam cheated on Hope, over and over and over, with her bully. The person who virgin shamed her, manipulated her, and mocked her for taking anxiety medication.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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This is what I wish fans would remember. Steffy was cruel for a long time to Hope. And Hope was younger and more vulnerable. They even made fun of her age with the Bob Hope thing, and acted like they had more in common as well because of sex. Hope would ask Liam to respect their marriage, but he would just keep on doing his Liam thing. Eventually she realized he needed to have both women adore him. that was back when Kim Matula played the part, but the history is there.

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This is what I wish fans would remember. Steffy was cruel for a long time to Hope. And Hope was younger and more vulnerable. They even made fun of her age with the Bob Hope thing, and acted like they had more in common as well because of sex. Hope would ask Liam to respect their marriage, but he would just keep on doing his Liam thing. Eventually she realized he needed to have both women adore him. that was back when Kim Matula played the part, but the history is there.

Hope and Liam never technically married when KM played Hope.

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This is what I wish fans would remember. Steffy was cruel for a long time to Hope. And Hope was younger and more vulnerable. They even made fun of her age with the Bob Hope thing, and acted like they had more in common as well because of sex. Hope would ask Liam to respect their marriage, but he would just keep on doing his Liam thing. Eventually she realized he needed to have both women adore him. that was back when Kim Matula played the part, but the history is there.

Agree. It always galled me how Liam cheated on Hope with her worst enemy.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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This is what I wish fans would remember. Steffy was cruel for a long time to Hope. And Hope was younger and more vulnerable. They even made fun of her age with the Bob Hope thing, and acted like they had more in common as well because of sex. Hope would ask Liam to respect their marriage, but he would just keep on doing his Liam thing. Eventually she realized he needed to have both women adore him. that was back when Kim Matula played the part, but the history is there.

Agree. It always galled me how Liam cheated on Hope with her worst enemy.

This is why I don’t feel sorry for Liam at all. He loves to go on and on and on about how evil Thomas is..but he always failed to see that bully Steffy has been so evil to Hope many a times. That idiot goes on and on about how much he hates Thomas, but always failed to see that his trashy married ex hates Hope with a passion. Liam wants Hope to open her eyes about monster Thomas, but Liam himself wants to stayed blind about nasty witch Steffy. :grrr

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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This is what I wish fans would remember. Steffy was cruel for a long time to Hope. And Hope was younger and more vulnerable. They even made fun of her age with the Bob Hope thing, and acted like they had more in common as well because of sex. Hope would ask Liam to respect their marriage, but he would just keep on doing his Liam thing. Eventually she realized he needed to have both women adore him. that was back when Kim Matula played the part, but the history is there.

Absolutely. And the worst part, her bullying was PRAISED.

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And look who ended up with the real drug problem. Steffy, like her mother, used the pills she was popping to dull the pain from the she thinks Hope caused to her.... Hope did not become hooked on the anxiety meds, when she realized that she was headed for trouble she threw them out.... Steffy on the other hand came out with with a butcher knife when her family told her to get help.

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Liam will always have feelings for Steffy. Hope knows this.
If she decided to go back to him it would be her choice and she could never again hold it against him.

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Liam will always have feelings for Steffy. Hope knows this.
If she decided to go back to him it would be her choice and she could never again hold it against him.

Unless Liam has a wake up call and makes some changes. All it takes is the right dialogue. But I do NOT want Hope to ever get back with Liam unless he changes. And it has to be convincing. Not just begging, like after the ONS. ;-)

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

I don't think it has anything to do with a divided heart. I think Liam has gotten past it with Steffy for a few reasons. He did not see it happen with his own eyes. Steffy was not gaslighting him for months before it happened and lying to him. Steffy did not come back into his life at his lowest point and promise him she was nothing like his cheating wife, then turn out to BE like his cheating wife. Steffy never laid in his arms naked thinking about having sex with another man to the point, she had to jump up, get dressed and rush out of the house. And, Liam may not have known then what was going on with Hope, but he knows now. And most important and to me the top reason....the man Steffy cheated with never once wanted his child to be dead forever. Anyway, I think Liam is so betrayed by Hope and cannot forgive her because she may not have planned to have weird feelings about Tom, but when she began having them, she began acting with malice intent toward Liam. Steffy never hurt him purposefully. Liam pegged it perfectly on Thursday, she never forgave him for the ONS, she just let it fester, then she decided to punish Liam.

This is so not true IMO. Between Hope and Steffy, Steffy is the one that has a long history of acting with malice intent towards Liam. Steffy is a known schemer alongside Liams' father to purposely manipulate in breaking up Lope in love MORE than once..that IS malice intent. Even in recent years, Steffy staged a kiss..that IS malice intent. Not to mention, right before Steffy had cheating SEX on Liam with his father, Steffy was shown constantly going over to his father's house doing all those inapprpopriate touchy feely stuff..was Steffy honest with Liam about her emotional affair with his father? Nope!

Liam also witnessed Steffy's malice intent on others too! Over the years, her malice intent on Hope, Ivy, Aly, and Sally/Tally too. Steffy IS a born bully, Liam is just way too blinded right now acting like Steffy is the most loyal, wonderful, never cheated, never had a paternity test gal. It's just pathetic and hilarous to this viewer. Lastly, there's no way how a husband could think that his trashy wife having a wild night adulterous SEX then ran home and renewed marriage vows with him all on the same night..isn't worse than some stupid cheating kiss. NO WAY. And instead of being honest with Liam by coming clean, the ultimate malice intent was knowing she just had SEX with Liam's father, yet she still went ahead and renewed her marriage vows with Liam! Absolutely disgusting! JMO.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

I don't think it has anything to do with a divided heart. I think Liam has gotten past it with Steffy for a few reasons. He did not see it happen with his own eyes. Steffy was not gaslighting him for months before it happened and lying to him. Steffy did not come back into his life at his lowest point and promise him she was nothing like his cheating wife, then turn out to BE like his cheating wife. Steffy never laid in his arms naked thinking about having sex with another man to the point, she had to jump up, get dressed and rush out of the house. And, Liam may not have known then what was going on with Hope, but he knows now. And most important and to me the top reason....the man Steffy cheated with never once wanted his child to be dead forever. Anyway, I think Liam is so betrayed by Hope and cannot forgive her because she may not have planned to have weird feelings about Tom, but when she began having them, she began acting with malice intent toward Liam. Steffy never hurt him purposefully. Liam pegged it perfectly on Thursday, she never forgave him for the ONS, she just let it fester, then she decided to punish Liam.

This is so not true IMO. Between Hope and Steffy, Steffy is the one that has a long history of acting with malice intent towards Liam. Steffy is a known schemer alongside Liams' father to purposely manipulate in breaking up Lope in love MORE than once..that IS malice intent. Even in recent years, Steffy staged a kiss..that IS malice intent. Not to mention, right before Steffy had cheating SEX on Liam with his father, Steffy was shown constantly going over to his father's house doing all those inapprpopriate touchy feely stuff..was Steffy honest with Liam about her emotional affair with his father? Nope!

Liam also witnessed Steffy's malice intent on others too! Over the years, her malice intent on Hope, Ivy, Aly, and Sally/Tally too. Steffy IS a born bully, Liam is just way too blinded right now acting like Steffy is the most loyal, wonderful, never cheated, never had a paternity test gal. It's just pathetic and hilarous to this viewer. Lastly, there's no way how a husband could think that his trashy wife having a wild night adulterous SEX then ran home and renewed marriage vows with him all on the same night..isn't worse than some stupid cheating kiss. NO WAY. JMO.

Yup. Liam has accused Steffy of commandeering his life. And he said people have a way of getting hurt when she's around. He watched her bully Hope mercilessly and what does he do? Cheated on Hope with her. Hope's bully. The person that virgin shamed her.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

I don't think it has anything to do with a divided heart. I think Liam has gotten past it with Steffy for a few reasons. He did not see it happen with his own eyes. Steffy was not gaslighting him for months before it happened and lying to him. Steffy did not come back into his life at his lowest point and promise him she was nothing like his cheating wife, then turn out to BE like his cheating wife. Steffy never laid in his arms naked thinking about having sex with another man to the point, she had to jump up, get dressed and rush out of the house. And, Liam may not have known then what was going on with Hope, but he knows now. And most important and to me the top reason....the man Steffy cheated with never once wanted his child to be dead forever. Anyway, I think Liam is so betrayed by Hope and cannot forgive her because she may not have planned to have weird feelings about Tom, but when she began having them, she began acting with malice intent toward Liam. Steffy never hurt him purposefully. Liam pegged it perfectly on Thursday, she never forgave him for the ONS, she just let it fester, then she decided to punish Liam.

This is so not true IMO. Between Hope and Steffy, Steffy is the one that has a long history of acting with malice intent towards Liam. Steffy is a known schemer alongside Liams' father to purposely manipulate in breaking up Lope in love MORE than once..that IS malice intent. Even in recent years, Steffy staged a kiss..that IS malice intent. Not to mention, right before Steffy had cheating SEX on Liam with his father, Steffy was shown constantly going over to his father's house doing all those inapprpopriate touchy feely stuff..was Steffy honest with Liam about her emotional affair with his father? Nope!

Liam also witnessed Steffy's malice intent on others too! Over the years, her malice intent on Hope, Ivy, Aly, and Sally/Tally too. Steffy IS a born bully, Liam is just way too blinded right now acting like Steffy is the most loyal, wonderful, never cheated, never had a paternity test gal. It's just pathetic and hilarous to this viewer. Lastly, there's no way how a husband could think that his trashy wife having a wild night adulterous SEX then ran home and renewed marriage vows with him all on the same night..isn't worse than some stupid cheating kiss. NO WAY. And instead of being honest with Liam by coming clean, the ultimate malice intent was knowing she just had SEX with Liam's father, yet she still went ahead and renewed her marriage vows with Liam! Absolutely disgusting! JMO.

I agree. That sentence was false based on what we saw on our screens. Hope is also way less vindictive than Steffy and Liam.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

Hope slept with his brother Wyatt and he got past it.. It's not what she did but who she did it with he can't forgive. He constantly told her what he suspected and she just gas lighted him and betrayed him with a monster than tried to destroy their family. That's what he can't forgive. It has nothing to do with ego, frustration and disappointment are the reason.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

Hope slept with his brother Wyatt and he got past it.. It's not what she did but who she did it with he can't forgive. He constantly told her what he suspected and she just gas lighted him and betrayed him with a monster than tried to destroy their family. That's what he can't forgive. It has nothing to do with ego, frustration and disappointment are the reason.

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For me that is way too simplistic. But I do believe the whole sordid history of Liam and "his divided heart" and how he reacts to disappointment played out in Hope's behavior. This character has been shown to be loving and forgiving but hurt upon hurt can indeed fester and manifest in ways that the subconscious plays out. I think that is why Hope was confused and tried to deny the feelings she was having. She didn't understand them and didn't want them. She never consciously wanted to lie to or hurt Liam but what her unconscious mind had going on was perhaps not the same at all.

Regardless, I think Liam does need time to reflect on how they arrived at this place in time and just how destructive his behavior has been to Hope and to Steffy. He needs alone time not comfort or someone to gloss over his part in all this.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

Hope slept with his brother Wyatt and he got past it.. It's not what she did but who she did it with he can't forgive. He constantly told her what he suspected and she just gas lighted him and betrayed him with a monster than tried to destroy their family. That's what he can't forgive. It has nothing to do with ego, frustration and disappointment are the reason.

Well, that's his problem. Liam has every right to say he can't forgive Thomas. But Hope CAN forgive him. And it appears she has. She believes he has changed. It isn't realistic to me, in the real world, that someone who did the things Thomas did could be forgiven by his victim. But on soaps it is. And I think it's going to be shown that Thomas has changed. And then we'll get, if not now, at some time in the future, a Hope/Liam/RedeemedThomas triangle.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

Hope slept with his brother Wyatt and he got past it.. It's not what she did but who she did it with he can't forgive. He constantly told her what he suspected and she just gas lighted him and betrayed him with a monster than tried to destroy their family. That's what he can't forgive. It has nothing to do with ego, frustration and disappointment are the reason.

it's also more than just the person and the gaslighting, hope has a heavy emotional investment with thomas
steffy didn't and has regretted her night with bill to this day, and despite what hope said to liam repeatedly that
steffy would end up with bill, she was wrong
however steffy was right about hope and her feelings/involvement with thomas

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

Hope slept with his brother Wyatt and he got past it.. It's not what she did but who she did it with he can't forgive. He constantly told her what he suspected and she just gas lighted him and betrayed him with a monster than tried to destroy their family. That's what he can't forgive. It has nothing to do with ego, frustration and disappointment are the reason.

it's also more than just the person and the gaslighting, hope has a heavy emotional investment with thomas
steffy didn't and has regretted her night with bill to this day, and despite what hope said to liam repeatedly that
steffy would end up with bill, she was wrong
however steffy was right about hope and her feelings/involvement with thomas

Liam has said he said Hope "choose" Thomas. Yeah, that's not the same as Steffy and Bill. He at least got to witness that Steffy was not about Bill after the ONS.

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Yes, hopes situation is much more complicated. She didn’t just go off and have a fling with Liam‘s father.

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Yes, hopes situation is much more complicated. She didn’t just go off and have a fling with Liam‘s father.

yeah, she intentionally sneaked around with Liam's biggest enemy and kept doing it, doubled down on it when Liam caught her. :cool

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

I think it's that the show repackaged it's Bill’s fault.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

He should move on to doormat number 3 but get vasectomy first

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

Nope. Liam did something Hope could never do. He remained true to his daughter while the mother is off thanking tom with some banging no? This isn't about ego, Liam explained why he can't forgive her. But Hope Lied, Gaslighted and used him as a excuse because she is a very shallow and immature person. Liam has a lot to do when it comes to being a better man, he needs growth and a lot of self awareness. Liam isn't perfect, far from it and he saw Steffy for who she is because she never pretended to be perfect, she run off and go bang bill after her husband rightfully didn't forgive her, Hope on the other hand had this nasty entitlement and did a lot of bs.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

It’s also its been years. Kelly is like 6 or 7. That's a long time. It's easy to look back with rise colored glasses. What Hope did is fresh.

Also Liam was having an emotional affair with Sally back then and they kissed. That doesn’t justify Steffy’s actions but neither was innocent in the situation.
Hope cheated cause she felt like it. They weren’t having any obvious marital issues.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

It’s also its been years. Kelly is like 6 or 7. That's a long time. It's easy to look back with rise colored glasses. What Hope did is fresh.

Also Liam was having an emotional affair with Sally back then and they kissed. That doesn’t justify Steffy’s actions but neither was innocent in the situation.
Hope cheated cause she felt like it. They weren’t having any obvious marital issues.

Hope saw that chance to blame the sex on Liam by saying it was his feelings for Steffy. So she ran right over there and hoped on Thomas. That's why she was telling Thomas "Liam's probably over there right now, professing love." She wanted an excuse to bone. Sickening but glad she admitted it.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

It’s also its been years. Kelly is like 6 or 7. That's a long time. It's easy to look back with rise colored glasses. What Hope did is fresh.

Also Liam was having an emotional affair with Sally back then and they kissed. That doesn’t justify Steffy’s actions but neither was innocent in the situation.
Hope cheated cause she felt like it. They weren’t having any obvious marital issues.

Hope cheated because she has a divided heart...just like Liam. The only difference is that it was with Thomas...but Steffy isn't much better.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

It’s also its been years. Kelly is like 6 or 7. That's a long time. It's easy to look back with rise colored glasses. What Hope did is fresh.

Also Liam was having an emotional affair with Sally back then and they kissed. That doesn’t justify Steffy’s actions but neither was innocent in the situation.
Hope cheated cause she felt like it. They weren’t having any obvious marital issues.

Actually, Steffy was having emotional affair with Liam’s father too at the time. She was shown constantly going over to Bill’s house with all their inappropriate touchy-feely stuff..it’s no wonder she so easily ended up having wild night sex with Bill. And let’s not forget Liam fessed up about the Lally kiss as soon as he got home..Steffy on the other hand not only didn’t come clean, she went home and renewed marriage vows with Liam all on the same night! Funny how Liam can’t remember cheater Steffy’s nastiness now. :drunk

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

It’s also its been years. Kelly is like 6 or 7. That's a long time. It's easy to look back with rise colored glasses. What Hope did is fresh.

Also Liam was having an emotional affair with Sally back then and they kissed. That doesn’t justify Steffy’s actions but neither was innocent in the situation.
Hope cheated cause she felt like it. They weren’t having any obvious marital issues.

I disagree. Hope even yelled at Liam for his waffling past right before her fantasies about Thomas started.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

It’s also its been years. Kelly is like 6 or 7. That's a long time. It's easy to look back with rise colored glasses. What Hope did is fresh.

Also Liam was having an emotional affair with Sally back then and they kissed. That doesn’t justify Steffy’s actions but neither was innocent in the situation.
Hope cheated cause she felt like it. They weren’t having any obvious marital issues.

I disagree. Hope even yelled at Liam for his waffling past right before her fantasies about Thomas started.

That didn't mean she had to kiss and have sex with Thomas months later though. Nothing made her do that but her own nasty desires.

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There is no way in hell any man would consider his wife kissing some guy that he hates as being more disgusting than his wife sleeping with his own dad. Liam is now acting like he is trying to rescue his fragile ego from being completely destroyed. He isn't able to accept that Hope has a divided heart because that's something only he can have. If now he would make Steffy leave her amazing, loving and handsome husband for him his ego would be rescued. Also Steffy wanted him back desperately after her ONS with Bill while Hope isn't exactly acting like she's desperate. Liam always thought that he deserved a woman to be his doormat. Poor Liam... It looks like it won't be happening for him anytime soon or ever.

It is really gonna be a devastating blow for him when Steffy chooses the see Finn and Hope just moves on. Poor little guy gonna ask alone. What will you angle man do?? :gasp

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Taylor.... She likes waffles and youngsters.

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Taylor.... She likes waffles and youngsters.

That would be funny!

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I really do not believe that as shown the character is sitting there, saying I can’t wait to destroy Steffy‘s marriage. I think that Liam realizes that Hope was fantasizing about Thomas when she was with him, and I think that has undermined his confidence. I don’t think it’s just a kiss. I think the show presented this as gaslighting. I know a lot of people don’t believe that. Some say that Hope was confused, but I think the show intentionally had it to come across that way.

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I really do not believe that as shown the character is sitting there, saying I can’t wait to destroy Steffy‘s marriage. I think that Liam realizes that Hope was fantasizing about Thomas when she was with him, and I think that has undermined his confidence. I don’t think it’s just a kiss. I think the show presented this as gaslighting. I know a lot of people don’t believe that. Some say that Hope was confused, but I think the show intentionally had it to come across that way.

He’s chasing a married steffy….daily he tells her I want you….I don’t think he gives a hoot about marriage ..he should be single

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I really do not believe that as shown the character is sitting there, saying I can’t wait to destroy Steffy‘s marriage. I think that Liam realizes that Hope was fantasizing about Thomas when she was with him, and I think that has undermined his confidence. I don’t think it’s just a kiss. I think the show presented this as gaslighting. I know a lot of people don’t believe that. Some say that Hope was confused, but I think the show intentionally had it to come across that way.

He’s chasing a married steffy….daily he tells her I want you….I don’t think he gives a hoot about marriage ..he should be single

So what? The creeper Tom stalked married Hope for years. Now he is applauded by some for being evil. Sounds like a double standard IMO..

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I really do not believe that as shown the character is sitting there, saying I can’t wait to destroy Steffy‘s marriage. I think that Liam realizes that Hope was fantasizing about Thomas when she was with him, and I think that has undermined his confidence. I don’t think it’s just a kiss. I think the show presented this as gaslighting. I know a lot of people don’t believe that. Some say that Hope was confused, but I think the show intentionally had it to come across that way.

He’s chasing a married steffy….daily he tells her I want you….I don’t think he gives a hoot about marriage ..he should be single

So what? The creeper Tom stalked married Hope for years. Now he is applauded by some for being evil. Sounds like a double standard IMO..

Married Hope chased Thomas.

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