Why I think this is a Lope story, not a Thope story. (General)

Well that's a horrible thought. I feel like Hope has finally seen the light and she's breaking the cycle. Why would she leave a man who's whole heart she has for one who can only give her half? I think Lope is done for a long time.

Why would she leave the love of her life for someone who looks good to her now because he represents the opposite of what bothers her about her husband? I agree that Lope are done for a while, but they will eventually reunite. If they both recognize their part in why the marriage failed they can fix it.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

Well that's a horrible thought. I feel like Hope has finally seen the light and she's breaking the cycle. Why would she leave a man who's whole heart she has for one who can only give her half? I think Lope is done for a long time.

Didn't Taylor and Brooke give us false hopes that they were free of Ridge too? Didn't Taylor have a epiphany that lasted for all of 5 seconds? Didn't Brooke tell Ridge off only to want him back a few months later? Didn't Steffy slap Liam and tell him that she deserved better? But eventually they all go back to the same toxic cycle. Breaking it can never happen, not on this soap because the writers do not know what else to write for these people.

Well that's a horrible thought. I feel like Hope has finally seen the light and she's breaking the cycle. Why would she leave a man who's whole heart she has for one who can only give her half? I think Lope is done for a long time.

I agree. Especially if the spoiler that Liam sees something shocking IS Thope in an intimate situation. If the kiss made him want to puke what’s sex going to do ??

Well that's a horrible thought. I feel like Hope has finally seen the light and she's breaking the cycle. Why would she leave a man who's whole heart she has for one who can only give her half? I think Lope is done for a long time.

Didn’t Brooke and Taylor swear up and down they they are done with the toxic cycle? Yet, their BFF garbage never lasted. LOL. Lope may be over for now, but they will never be done for good. IMO.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

Well that's a horrible thought. I feel like Hope has finally seen the light and she's breaking the cycle. Why would she leave a man who's whole heart she has for one who can only give her half? I think Lope is done for a long time.

Brooke and Taylor saw the light, decided to break the cycle and became BFFs and look where they are now. Hope and Steffy tried putting family first and it never lasts.

I think there was always going to be more to the story than just Hope cheating on Liam.

It makes perfect sense to me that the story would now shift to Liam's part in the end of his and Hope's marriage. The first part of the story was about Hope and her disturbing fantasies, her trying to fight the feelings for Thomas, and the shock of her kissing Thomas in Rome. Now that the shock of all that is over, we get to the part of the story where we learn how we got to this point.

I don't know why they would write a story about the end of Lope that didn't include Liam's divided heart and feelings for Steffy. Liam's pattern of hurting Hope with Steffy has been one of the major themes of their history on the show. The scenes between Liam and Wyatt yesterday convinced me that Liam does, indeed, keep bringing Steffy into the marriage. When Wyatt challenged him, he couldn't even keep a straight face when he was trying to deny it.

I don't believe what we are seeing is a 'Hope is a cheater and a liar who just wants sex from Thomas' story. And it's not a 'Thomas is the better man for Hope' story, either. It's Lope angst, IMO. They are both to blame for their marriage ending. And once they recognize that, there is hope for their relationship. Of course, a lot will happen between now and then, but I believe we will see Hope and Liam back together when all is said and done.

I completely agree with this. I thought they had both grown up but it's apparent that wasn't so. They still do need to do a lot of growing up. I think this is the "unique" story Bell talked about last year. I am not seeing any romance with Thomas here.

Agree. And it's a way more interesting way to break them up than to have one of them cheating for no reason. And I do believe it was time to break them up. They've been together and happily married for a long time now. This story can also be the vehicle that redeems Thomas. Let's see if he starts scheming to keep Hope with him.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

Can’t buy that. This is imo an evolution of Hope. If not, the entire dialogue yesterday was for naught and a waste of airtime. The situation with liam is never going to change, he will always have the connection to steffy, so Hope will circle back to the same situation she just declared freedom from?

Actually, yes, she will.

For example, I have never been more disappointed in my life than when Steffy declared her freedom and went right back to chasing Liam. Another example, Taylor doesn't need a man but chases Ridge. Another example, Ridge and Taylor put themselves first but devolve into war over Ridge.

For me, it's not about Hope evolving but whining because she's under the mistaken impression that right at that very moment, Liam is at Steffy's house professing love. Hope said it to Thomas before sex. She said Liam had "all but" told her this and then "Left the house" and she told Brooke the same thing.

She is running off Steffy fumes. That's it.

Can’t buy that. This is imo an evolution of Hope. If not, the entire dialogue yesterday was for naught and a waste of airtime. The situation with liam is never going to change, he will always have the connection to steffy, so Hope will circle back to the same situation she just declared freedom from?

Liam will always have a co-parenting connection with Steffy. That doesn't have to be done on Steffy's couch with the two of them alone after Kelly goes to bed and Finn is at work. And Liam shouldn't talk about his marriage with Steffy. Hope can stop working on HFTF with Thomas. There are things that BOTH of them can do to break the cycle.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

Can’t buy that. This is imo an evolution of Hope. If not, the entire dialogue yesterday was for naught and a waste of airtime. The situation with liam is never going to change, he will always have the connection to steffy, so Hope will circle back to the same situation she just declared freedom from?

It could be the evolution of Hope. But as long as she is hooked up with the demented creeper, Tom, I don't see it happening.

Co-Sign.. I do believe Lope are the endgame. Like I said a few weeks ago this may be the best thing to happen to them. Even for Thomas. The only way to make him presentable for another love interest is to free him from his obsession. The best way to free him is to give him what he wants. He usually gets tired of his obsessions relatively quickly.

Oh and the best part is Hope is finding her voice. She is finally telling Liam that there is a major problem in their marriage and she has opened her eyes. Not saying she is right, but at the same time she is not wrong. Liam has played a huge part in this, just as Hope has. Thomas is not really the problem, he is a symptom. She is just fed up with Liam and Steffy.

Something's wrong then because if they are both at fault, I'm not hearing enough defense of Liam at all. If they are the end-game, things should be written such that viewers see both sides, but I'm not seeing that. All I see is Liam is wrong. Liam is wrong and Liam is bad. So the writers did something wrong if Liam is indeed supposed to be the end-game. If we as viewers cannot see both sides and defend both sides, I don't know how Liam and Hope can ever have a genuine reunion. It will be crap like Bridge. Done to be undone and done again. SMH

I am not trying to put any viewers on the defense, just discussing how the writers didn't do their job because this hasn't been reflected in viewer opinion. That's all. I'm not even seeing Hope's side, so it's just bad writing.

Co-Sign.. I do believe Lope are the endgame. Like I said a few weeks ago this may be the best thing to happen to them. Even for Thomas. The only way to make him presentable for another love interest is to free him from his obsession. The best way to free him is to give him what he wants. He usually gets tired of his obsessions relatively quickly.

Oh and the best part is Hope is finding her voice. She is finally telling Liam that there is a major problem in their marriage and she has opened her eyes. Not saying she is right, but at the same time she is not wrong. Liam has played a huge part in this, just as Hope has. Thomas is not really the problem, he is a symptom. She is just fed up with Liam and Steffy.

Agree, 100%. I said right at the beginning of this crazy story that I thought it was a good story for Hope. I said I thought it would be dicey and would get a lot worse before it got better, and it sure did. But I think the writing is giving us clarity now about what is happening. The Liam/Wyatt scenes yesterday provided context for what's going on. Liam DOES still have inappropriate feelings for Steffy. And Hope's conversation with Brooke told us that, even though she forgave him for all the cheating, a part of her was damaged from it. Broken, to use Liam's term.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

Co-Sign.. I do believe Lope are the endgame. Like I said a few weeks ago this may be the best thing to happen to them. Even for Thomas. The only way to make him presentable for another love interest is to free him from his obsession. The best way to free him is to give him what he wants. He usually gets tired of his obsessions relatively quickly.

Oh and the best part is Hope is finding her voice. She is finally telling Liam that there is a major problem in their marriage and she has opened her eyes. Not saying she is right, but at the same time she is not wrong. Liam has played a huge part in this, just as Hope has. Thomas is not really the problem, he is a symptom. She is just fed up with Liam and Steffy.

I agree here for the most part. But I would love to see Hope stop forgiving Thomas so easily whenever he does evil..she seemed to trust him at his words easily..more so than other characters. And I would like to see Hope and Liam set boundaries on the 2 nasty siblings too.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

Possible but I am an old timer and what was once a Caroline/Ridge love story became a Bridge love story that became a triad with Taylor.

Lope could evolve to a Thope that can evolve to a Hott.

Who knows with the writer's.

This viewer is DONE with Lope so if they do happen again, I will simply ff through their scenes like I have in the past.

I get that. And it may go the way you've suggested. We'll see.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

I think there was always going to be more to the story than just Hope cheating on Liam.

It makes perfect sense to me that the story would now shift to Liam's part in the end of his and Hope's marriage. The first part of the story was about Hope and her disturbing fantasies, her trying to fight the feelings for Thomas, and the shock of her kissing Thomas in Rome. Now that the shock of all that is over, we get to the part of the story where we learn how we got to this point.

I don't know why they would write a story about the end of Lope that didn't include Liam's divided heart and feelings for Steffy. Liam's pattern of hurting Hope with Steffy has been one of the major themes of their history on the show. The scenes between Liam and Wyatt yesterday convinced me that Liam does, indeed, keep bringing Steffy into the marriage. When Wyatt challenged him, he couldn't even keep a straight face when he was trying to deny it.

I don't believe what we are seeing is a 'Hope is a cheater and a liar who just wants sex from Thomas' story. And it's not a 'Thomas is the better man for Hope' story, either. It's Lope angst, IMO. They are both to blame for their marriage ending. And once they recognize that, there is hope for their relationship. Of course, a lot will happen between now and then, but I believe we will see Hope and Liam back together when all is said and done.

Yep. I just want to add that in the end, Hope needs to recognize that she’s blind when it comes to monster Thomas, and Liam needs to recognize that’s he’s always blind when it comes to bully Steffy. Then when they reunite DTR, they BOTH need to set boundaries on Steffy AND Thomas.

Agree, 100%.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

Bingo! The only way they can ever get back together is if Thomas and Steffy cease to exist or if they put them in their proper place in their lives. The should be able to co-parent the children, but this one big happy family scenario is complete BS. Liam needs to bring Kelly into the Lope home and stop playing house over at Steffy's. The same can be said with Douglas. He can be picked up from Hope's house and spend time with his father away from Hope and Liam. As for HFTF, if it is to move forward, then Hope should never work alone with Thomas. There is no reason why he needs Hope there while he designs. He can get another office or they can just work remotely away from each other. Better yet, Hope should hire a new designer.

Steffy needs to focus on her marriage to Finn and stop playing a huge role in Liam's marriage. Bestie's is not going to work anymore. Finn has expressed his opinion on Liam and it looks to me that he is no happier about it than Hope is.