Hope is twisting facts (General)

churro79, 7/17/2023, 9:36PM (287 days ago)- one person liked this

Hope claims Liam refuses to forgive her because he wants Steffy. She is refusing to listen to what Liam said. Liam said he can't forgive it because she has feelings for Thomas, lied to him for months about it and will not stop working with him.

Hope should reflect she had conditions too to forgive Liam and she never forgave him immediately. She took months to forgive him for sleeping with Steffy and it was only after Liam proved his loyalty.

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Tiqui1999 @, 7/17/2023, 10:00PM (287 days ago) @churro79- one person liked this

Hope claims Liam refuses to forgive her because he wants Steffy. She is refusing to listen to what Liam said. Liam said he can't forgive it because she has feelings for Thomas, lied to him for months about it and will not stop working with him.

Hope should reflect she had conditions too to forgive Liam and she never forgave him immediately. She took months to forgive him for sleeping with Steffy and it was only after Liam proved his loyalty.

You're correct, and apparently, her lying ass did not forgive him. She just said she did. I don't get this instant forgiveness mess. No character has ever done that.

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takerkid @, 7/17/2023, 10:43PM (287 days ago) @churro79- one person liked this

It's complicated. Hope was clearly subconsciously harboring insecurity, which is understandable after years with Liam. That insecurity in turn drew her Thomas. On the conscious level she loved Liam and she feared the judgment that came with being with Thomas so she lied and denied. Eventually her feelings caught up to her and she kissed him. Liam's reaction and his flippant statement about Steffy verified her subconscious insecurity and here we are.

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Shimster @, 7/17/2023, 10:54PM (287 days ago) @takerkid- 2 people liked this

Hope feared the judgment, and she would have deserved it rightfully so. It still boggles me how she can be attracted to a man who evilly manipulated/abused her and her family. :neutral

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fan87, 7/17/2023, 11:11PM (287 days ago) @churro79- one person liked this

Hope claims Liam refuses to forgive her because he wants Steffy. She is refusing to listen to what Liam said. Liam said he can't forgive it because she has feelings for Thomas, lied to him for months about it and will not stop working with him.

Hope should reflect she had conditions too to forgive Liam and she never forgave him immediately. She took months to forgive him for sleeping with Steffy and it was only after Liam proved his loyalty.

Hope never tried to just hurt Liam the way he did her either. She wasn’t cruel when he confessed, nor did she say she wanted a divorce immediately. Liam shut the door on them that day and Hope heard him, she knew before he even told her Steffy was always occupying room in his heart. Hope knew what was coming and she was tired of fighting it.

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Tiqui1999 @, 7/17/2023, 11:16PM (287 days ago) @fan87- one person liked this

Hope claims Liam refuses to forgive her because he wants Steffy. She is refusing to listen to what Liam said. Liam said he can't forgive it because she has feelings for Thomas, lied to him for months about it and will not stop working with him.

Hope should reflect she had conditions too to forgive Liam and she never forgave him immediately. She took months to forgive him for sleeping with Steffy and it was only after Liam proved his loyalty.


Hope never tried to just hurt Liam the way he did her either. She wasn’t cruel when he confessed, nor did she say she wanted a divorce immediately. Liam shut the door on them that day and Hope heard him, she knew before he even told her Steffy was always occupying room in his heart. Hope knew what was coming and she was tired of fighting it.

That's not true. Hope is humiliated when the front of everybody before and done several times. When she can't get something her way to go everything must stop. Nothing could have been more humiliate than for him to be in his underwear in front of everybody on their wedding day, begging her to marry him and she refuses to do it just because he had a drunken night out.

Marrying his brother because he was late. Smh. Cruel and hurtful.

Liam knew what was coming and was tired of fighting for it.

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fan87, 7/18/2023, 9:19PM (286 days ago) @Tiqui1999- one person liked this
edited by fan87, 7/18/2023, 9:26PM

Hope claims Liam refuses to forgive her because he wants Steffy. She is refusing to listen to what Liam said. Liam said he can't forgive it because she has feelings for Thomas, lied to him for months about it and will not stop working with him.

Hope should reflect she had conditions too to forgive Liam and she never forgave him immediately. She took months to forgive him for sleeping with Steffy and it was only after Liam proved his loyalty.


Hope never tried to just hurt Liam the way he did her either. She wasn’t cruel when he confessed, nor did she say she wanted a divorce immediately. Liam shut the door on them that day and Hope heard him, she knew before he even told her Steffy was always occupying room in his heart. Hope knew what was coming and she was tired of fighting it.


That's not true. Hope is humiliated when the front of everybody before and done several times. When she can't get something her way to go everything must stop. Nothing could have been more humiliate than for him to be in his underwear in front of everybody on their wedding day, begging her to marry him and she refuses to do it just because he had a drunken night out.

Marrying his brother because he was late. Smh. Cruel and hurtful.

Liam knew what was coming and was tired of fighting for it.

If your intent is to compare the number of times Hope has hurt or cheated on Liam compared to the number of times he cheated on, lied to or hurt Hope I’m afraid the math won’t be in Liam’s favor. Liam is getting everything he so richly deserves! He’s already trying to break up Steffy’s marriage because he is all about what Liam wants.Also the drunken night was with Steffy, because he’s a waffler!

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Sammy @, 7/19/2023, 12:04AM (286 days ago) @fan87

Hope claims Liam refuses to forgive her because he wants Steffy. She is refusing to listen to what Liam said. Liam said he can't forgive it because she has feelings for Thomas, lied to him for months about it and will not stop working with him.

Hope should reflect she had conditions too to forgive Liam and she never forgave him immediately. She took months to forgive him for sleeping with Steffy and it was only after Liam proved his loyalty.


Hope never tried to just hurt Liam the way he did her either. She wasn’t cruel when he confessed, nor did she say she wanted a divorce immediately. Liam shut the door on them that day and Hope heard him, she knew before he even told her Steffy was always occupying room in his heart. Hope knew what was coming and she was tired of fighting it.


That's not true. Hope is humiliated when the front of everybody before and done several times. When she can't get something her way to go everything must stop. Nothing could have been more humiliate than for him to be in his underwear in front of everybody on their wedding day, begging her to marry him and she refuses to do it just because he had a drunken night out.

Marrying his brother because he was late. Smh. Cruel and hurtful.

Liam knew what was coming and was tired of fighting for it.


If your intent is to compare the number of times Hope has hurt or cheated on Liam compared to the number of times he cheated on, lied to or hurt Hope I’m afraid the math won’t be in Liam’s favor. Liam is getting everything he so richly deserves! He’s already trying to break up Steffy’s marriage because he is all about what Liam wants.Also the drunken night was with Steffy, because he’s a waffler!

Great post. Nope the math won’t be in Liam’s favor.

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Lizzy54 @, Austria, 7/18/2023, 1:54AM (286 days ago) @fan87- 2 people liked this

And actually she was right. Though the kiss and her fantasies about Tom were her fault, Liam too certainly must have been thinking of Steffy time and again, because the moment he spotted her in Rome he immediately kissed her as if it was the most natural thing. And back in LA, he went to the cliff house purposely, waited till Finn had left and then went in and kissed Steffy again, telling her his marriage to Hope was over. It is easy to see that his plan was to have Steffy fall into his lap like a ripe apple.
But Steffy sent him back, telling him to save his marriage. Liam didn´t expect she would, must have hurt his ego.:roll

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Tiqui1999 @, 7/18/2023, 1:16PM (286 days ago) @Lizzy54

And actually she was right. Though the kiss and her fantasies about Tom were her fault, Liam too certainly must have been thinking of Steffy time and again, because the moment he spotted her in Rome he immediately kissed her as if it was the most natural thing. And back in LA, he went to the cliff house purposely, waited till Finn had left and then went in and kissed Steffy again, telling her his marriage to Hope was over. It is easy to see that his plan was to have Steffy fall into his lap like a ripe apple.
But Steffy sent him back, telling him to save his marriage. Liam didn´t expect she would, must have hurt his ego.:roll

That's not true. He didn't immediately kiss Steffy the moment he saw her in Rome. Yes, Liam made a mistake and he said he was wrong. Hope on the other hand is unashamed of her disgusting behavior. Not surprised.

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Sammy @, 7/18/2023, 9:41PM (286 days ago) @Lizzy54

And actually she was right. Though the kiss and her fantasies about Tom were her fault, Liam too certainly must have been thinking of Steffy time and again, because the moment he spotted her in Rome he immediately kissed her as if it was the most natural thing. And back in LA, he went to the cliff house purposely, waited till Finn had left and then went in and kissed Steffy again, telling her his marriage to Hope was over. It is easy to see that his plan was to have Steffy fall into his lap like a ripe apple.
But Steffy sent him back, telling him to save his marriage. Liam didn´t expect she would, must have hurt his ego.:roll

I am sure it was. He is such a loser

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Tiqui1999 @, 7/18/2023, 5:17PM (286 days ago) @churro79- one person liked this

Hope claims Liam refuses to forgive her because he wants Steffy. She is refusing to listen to what Liam said. Liam said he can't forgive it because she has feelings for Thomas, lied to him for months about it and will not stop working with him.

Hope should reflect she had conditions too to forgive Liam and she never forgave him immediately. She took months to forgive him for sleeping with Steffy and it was only after Liam proved his loyalty.

She was still doing it today but I'm glad Liam got to hit her with some facts at the end.

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BBDOOLfan, 7/18/2023, 6:09PM (286 days ago) @churro79- one person liked this

I saw a woman concede 2x that she hurt him and asked him to admit his role to the lead up and he couldn't do it.

Her cheating did not happen in a vacuum, there was a lead up.

She told him he always runs back to Steffy and he failed to own the fact he has and does and did it again!

He has no moral high ground.

Hope had him pegged and as usual, he ran to Steffy.

She didn't twist facts at all.

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Liz @, 7/18/2023, 6:13PM (286 days ago) @BBDOOLfan- one person liked this

I saw a woman concede 2x that she hurt him and asked him to admit his role to the lead up and he couldn't do it.

Her cheating did not happen in a vacuum, there was a lead up.

She told him he always runs back to Steffy and he failed to own the fact he has and does and did it again!

He has no moral high ground.

Hope had him pegged and as usual, he ran to Steffy.

She didn't twist facts at all.

Admit his role in the lead up to what?

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BBDOOLfan, 7/18/2023, 11:43PM (286 days ago) @Liz- one person liked this

The present didn't happen in a bubble. Liam bounced between 2 women.

The history led to the present.

Hope owns her part.
Liam is too full of himself and plays victim to admit his role in marital issues.

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Sammy @, 7/19/2023, 12:06AM (286 days ago) @BBDOOLfan

The present didn't happen in a bubble. Liam bounced between 2 women.

The history led to the present.

Hope owns her part.
Liam is too full of himself and plays victim to admit his role in marital issues.

Exactly. Liam will never own up to his part

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