"It didn't matter to Hope" (General)

And perhaps his supersmart sister shouldn´t have forced the two of them to work together if she is so afraid he could be derailed.

Steffy derailed both Hope and Thomas. Anyone could see that Hope is too attached to her line and Thomas... Well, we know who Thomas is.

And perhaps his supersmart sister shouldn´t have forced the two of them to work together if she is so afraid he could be derailed.

She was so worried about Thomas that she sent him to the "City of Love" with the person she was worried would derail him.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

Steffy told Thomas that it didn't matter to Hope that he turned his life around. Why does she think that Hope is responsible for Thomas's mental health? Hope is responsible for Hope and Thomas is responsible for Thomas. Hope isn't doing so well herself when it comes to mental health. Who is responsible for her? Steffy? I want Steffy to have the same energy for her bestie Liam Spencer. He knew how obsesses she was with him for over a decade and he still decided to kiss her two times. He didn't care that she is married. Actually Liam going after Steffy could do the exact same harm as Hope kissing Thomas.

It demonstrates to me that Hope doesn’t really care about Thomas. As I’ve said before, I firmly believe everyone is responsible for their own actions, but I still wouldn’t hand a drink to an alcoholic who was trying to stay sober….and that’s any alcoholic, not just an alcoholic who was my friend, someone I might be in love with, or a coworker.

Perhaps the alcoholic shouldn't be around alcohol until they are absolutely certain that they can control themselves. Still Thomas' fault.

And Hope is still all about Hope.

Of course she is. She is responsible for herself. She even says she is responsible for herself. She is NOT responsible for Thomas.

Steffy told Thomas that it didn't matter to Hope that he turned his life around. Why does she think that Hope is responsible for Thomas's mental health? Hope is responsible for Hope and Thomas is responsible for Thomas. Hope isn't doing so well herself when it comes to mental health. Who is responsible for her? Steffy? I want Steffy to have the same energy for her bestie Liam Spencer. He knew how obsesses she was with him for over a decade and he still decided to kiss her two times. He didn't care that she is married. Actually Liam going after Steffy could do the exact same harm as Hope kissing Thomas.

It demonstrates to me that Hope doesn’t really care about Thomas. As I’ve said before, I firmly believe everyone is responsible for their own actions, but I still wouldn’t hand a drink to an alcoholic who was trying to stay sober….and that’s any alcoholic, not just an alcoholic who was my friend, someone I might be in love with, or a coworker.

Perhaps the alcoholic shouldn't be around alcohol until they are absolutely certain that they can control themselves. Still Thomas' fault.

And Hope is still all about Hope.

And Liam is all about Liam, Steffy is all about Steffy, etc etc

Steffy told Thomas that it didn't matter to Hope that he turned his life around. Why does she think that Hope is responsible for Thomas's mental health? Hope is responsible for Hope and Thomas is responsible for Thomas. Hope isn't doing so well herself when it comes to mental health. Who is responsible for her? Steffy? I want Steffy to have the same energy for her bestie Liam Spencer. He knew how obsesses she was with him for over a decade and he still decided to kiss her two times. He didn't care that she is married. Actually Liam going after Steffy could do the exact same harm as Hope kissing Thomas.

It demonstrates to me that Hope doesn’t really care about Thomas. As I’ve said before, I firmly believe everyone is responsible for their own actions, but I still wouldn’t hand a drink to an alcoholic who was trying to stay sober….and that’s any alcoholic, not just an alcoholic who was my friend, someone I might be in love with, or a coworker.

Truth is, Hope actually does care about Tom...she may not be deeply in love but she certainly didn´t try to derail him, or play with his feelings.
She has feelings herself, just doesn´t understand them. But she is not playing him.

The minute Hope said to Thomas on the plane after spending the previous day with him kissing and laughing and sightseeing and holding hands in the city of eternal love that he's to never say a word about what happened and that what they did was to stay in Rome and that she was going home to her husband and family, she was playing him.

To me it looks like Hope is not emotionally stable and needs therapy. It's not in Hope's character to play a guy for fun.

Steffy told Thomas that it didn't matter to Hope that he turned his life around. Why does she think that Hope is responsible for Thomas's mental health? Hope is responsible for Hope and Thomas is responsible for Thomas. Hope isn't doing so well herself when it comes to mental health. Who is responsible for her? Steffy? I want Steffy to have the same energy for her bestie Liam Spencer. He knew how obsesses she was with him for over a decade and he still decided to kiss her two times. He didn't care that she is married. Actually Liam going after Steffy could do the exact same harm as Hope kissing Thomas.

It demonstrates to me that Hope doesn’t really care about Thomas. As I’ve said before, I firmly believe everyone is responsible for their own actions, but I still wouldn’t hand a drink to an alcoholic who was trying to stay sober….and that’s any alcoholic, not just an alcoholic who was my friend, someone I might be in love with, or a coworker.

Truth is, Hope actually does care about Tom...she may not be deeply in love but she certainly didn´t try to derail him, or play with his feelings.
She has feelings herself, just doesn´t understand them. But she is not playing him.

The minute Hope said to Thomas on the plane after spending the previous day with him kissing and laughing and sightseeing and holding hands in the city of eternal love that he's to never say a word about what happened and that what they did was to stay in Rome and that she was going home to her husband and family, she was playing him.

I see what you’re saying, and I guess bottom line that’s true, but I just don’t think her mind gets far enough to think that her actions are affecting him. It’s all about her.

No, I don´t think so. She just knew what she could lose but she was not playing him. This kiss was true and not a lie. JMO

Steffy told Thomas that it didn't matter to Hope that he turned his life around. Why does she think that Hope is responsible for Thomas's mental health? Hope is responsible for Hope and Thomas is responsible for Thomas. Hope isn't doing so well herself when it comes to mental health. Who is responsible for her? Steffy? I want Steffy to have the same energy for her bestie Liam Spencer. He knew how obsesses she was with him for over a decade and he still decided to kiss her two times. He didn't care that she is married. Actually Liam going after Steffy could do the exact same harm as Hope kissing Thomas.

It demonstrates to me that Hope doesn’t really care about Thomas. As I’ve said before, I firmly believe everyone is responsible for their own actions, but I still wouldn’t hand a drink to an alcoholic who was trying to stay sober….and that’s any alcoholic, not just an alcoholic who was my friend, someone I might be in love with, or a coworker.

Truth is, Hope actually does care about Tom...she may not be deeply in love but she certainly didn´t try to derail him, or play with his feelings.
She has feelings herself, just doesn´t understand them. But she is not playing him.

No, I don’t think she’s playing him at all. I just think she’s very self centered, and always has been. JMO

Hope is very self-centered . She used Thomas in Rome to feed her own fantasies and then was cold as ice on the way home. Not a good look at all for Mrs. supposed to be kind , forgiving and loyal Spencer.

Steffy told Thomas that it didn't matter to Hope that he turned his life around. Why does she think that Hope is responsible for Thomas's mental health? Hope is responsible for Hope and Thomas is responsible for Thomas. Hope isn't doing so well herself when it comes to mental health. Who is responsible for her? Steffy? I want Steffy to have the same energy for her bestie Liam Spencer. He knew how obsesses she was with him for over a decade and he still decided to kiss her two times. He didn't care that she is married. Actually Liam going after Steffy could do the exact same harm as Hope kissing Thomas.

Steffy needs to give Hope a Leave of Absence and allow her to get professional help, Tom can take over is what she is saying. This is business and Hope at the moment is the screwup, so take some time off. Steffy is not making this personal, she is looking out for Forrester and Tom continue good mental health.

Thomas can't run HFTF by himself. Especially when Hope was his muse and he was never that successful as a designer in the past. HFTF was successful without Thomas in the past. Hope is the face of the line. Steffy can just cancel the line, but Thomas taking over Hope's line sounds ridiculous.

Shouldn’t he have the idea of the vibe the line is supposed to have by now? And he can still daydream about her when he sketches. But I suppose we could see him become incapable without her divine inspiration.

Thomas is not the face of the line and he was not a successful designer until Hope became his muse. No idea if he would still be a good designer without his muse... He certainly wouldn't look good as the face of the line after Hope was the face of it for 15 years.

Steffy told Thomas that it didn't matter to Hope that he turned his life around. Why does she think that Hope is responsible for Thomas's mental health? Hope is responsible for Hope and Thomas is responsible for Thomas. Hope isn't doing so well herself when it comes to mental health. Who is responsible for her? Steffy? I want Steffy to have the same energy for her bestie Liam Spencer. He knew how obsesses she was with him for over a decade and he still decided to kiss her two times. He didn't care that she is married. Actually Liam going after Steffy could do the exact same harm as Hope kissing Thomas.

I agree with you about Liam reigniting Steffy's obsession haphazardly.

As far as what Steffy told Thomas, I think Steffy meant that Hope kissed Thomas at the risk of derailing him and didn't care.

Yes, this is how I took it too and I happen to agree with Steffy.

Me, too, because Hope was cautioned enough by almost everyone about this. She still did it. And today, it sounded like an experiment into being a bad girl.

Yes!