Why didn't Liam move on when Hope MARRIED Thomas (General)

SonOfMan ⌂, VT, 7/4/2023, 8:30PM (303 days ago)- one person liked this

Color me confused, I don't get the logic here. He is done now because she had an affair with Thomas but he still desperately wanted her when she DUMPED him and MARRIED Thomas. Wasn't it about 10 times worse?? :surprised

As horrifying as this affair is, she still went 3 steps further a couple of years ago. Not only they kissed and she kept it from Liam. But then he forged a letter with Caroline's handwriting and she decided to dump Liam for Thomas. She gave him annulment papers and continuously begged him to sign them. Then a week later she was wearing Thomas' ring, vowing to spend the rest of her life with him... and marrying him. Liam begged her to stay with him and she still went ahead with the ceremony. If Liam had never found out Beth was alive, she'd still be married to Thomas today. I don't care if they were sad about losing Beth, it's not an excuse to cheat, throw a marriage away and marry another dude within a week!!! Liam should have slammed the door on her face and moved on back then. But he still begged her to leave Thomas and took her back with open arms!!! It was a bad decision to forgive her. At least she hasn't left Liam and married Thomas this time!!!

Then he wants to go back to Steffy, who also dumped him after her miscarriage, cheated on him with his brother and his father. How is it a better alternative than Hope? Terrible reasoning, writers!! They don't know what to do with his character, he is written all over the place. Keep him single for a while or bring someone new. I don't support Steffy and Finn but revisiting her and Liam is a terrible idea, they broke up way too many times!!!

Why didn't Liam move on when Hope MARRIED Thomas

hopeyougogirl, 7/4/2023, 9:44PM (303 days ago) @SonOfMan- one person liked this

Color me confused, I don't get the logic here. He is done now because she had an affair with Thomas but he still desperately wanted her when she DUMPED him and MARRIED Thomas. Wasn't it about 10 times worse?? :surprised

As horrifying as this affair is, she still went 3 steps further a couple of years ago. Not only they kissed and she kept it from Liam. But then he forged a letter with Caroline's handwriting and she decided to dump Liam for Thomas. She gave him annulment papers and continuously begged him to sign them. Then a week later she was wearing Thomas' ring, vowing to spend the rest of her life with him... and marrying him. Liam begged her to stay with him and she still went ahead with the ceremony. If Liam had never found out Beth was alive, she'd still be married to Thomas today. I don't care if they were sad about losing Beth, it's not an excuse to cheat, throw a marriage away and marry another dude within a week!!! Liam should have slammed the door on her face and moved on back then. But he still begged her to leave Thomas and took her back with open arms!!! It was a bad decision to forgive her. At least she hasn't left Liam and married Thomas this time!!!

Then he wants to go back to Steffy, who also dumped him after her miscarriage, cheated on him with his brother and his father. How is it a better alternative than Hope? Terrible reasoning, writers!! They don't know what to do with his character, he is written all over the place. Keep him single for a while or bring someone new. I don't support Steffy and Finn but revisiting her and Liam is a terrible idea, they broke up way too many times!!!

Because Liam knew and admitted she wasn't in her right mind after losing Beth..her grief got the best of her and she wasn't thinking straight..that's why he forgave her for marrying Thomas back then. Plus, that short fraud marriage wasn't even consummated.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

Why didn't Liam move on when Hope MARRIED Thomas

matisse, 7/5/2023, 11:21AM (302 days ago) @hopeyougogirl- one person liked this

Color me confused, I don't get the logic here. He is done now because she had an affair with Thomas but he still desperately wanted her when she DUMPED him and MARRIED Thomas. Wasn't it about 10 times worse?? :surprised

As horrifying as this affair is, she still went 3 steps further a couple of years ago. Not only they kissed and she kept it from Liam. But then he forged a letter with Caroline's handwriting and she decided to dump Liam for Thomas. She gave him annulment papers and continuously begged him to sign them. Then a week later she was wearing Thomas' ring, vowing to spend the rest of her life with him... and marrying him. Liam begged her to stay with him and she still went ahead with the ceremony. If Liam had never found out Beth was alive, she'd still be married to Thomas today. I don't care if they were sad about losing Beth, it's not an excuse to cheat, throw a marriage away and marry another dude within a week!!! Liam should have slammed the door on her face and moved on back then. But he still begged her to leave Thomas and took her back with open arms!!! It was a bad decision to forgive her. At least she hasn't left Liam and married Thomas this time!!!

Then he wants to go back to Steffy, who also dumped him after her miscarriage, cheated on him with his brother and his father. How is it a better alternative than Hope? Terrible reasoning, writers!! They don't know what to do with his character, he is written all over the place. Keep him single for a while or bring someone new. I don't support Steffy and Finn but revisiting her and Liam is a terrible idea, they broke up way too many times!!!


Because Liam knew and admitted she wasn't in her right mind after losing Beth..her grief got the best of her and she wasn't thinking straight..that's why he forgave her for marrying Thomas back then. Plus, that short fraud marriage wasn't even consummated.

Then why can't he see that she is in the middle of a mental crisis right now? That is the part that is not making sense to me. Hope is telling everyone at this point she has no idea why she is doing what she is doing, she does not understand it, she even told Liam she didn't know who she is anymore. She has told her mother, Liam and now RJ, she has no idea what is going on with her. That she knows that she should be repelled by the man that wanted her child to be dead to her forever. That she does not want Tom, that she is in love with Liam and their family. Why is no one hearing her? She is begging for help and they are ignoring it.

Why didn't Liam move on when Hope MARRIED Thomas

hopeyougogirl, 7/5/2023, 1:13PM (302 days ago) @matisse

Color me confused, I don't get the logic here. He is done now because she had an affair with Thomas but he still desperately wanted her when she DUMPED him and MARRIED Thomas. Wasn't it about 10 times worse?? :surprised

As horrifying as this affair is, she still went 3 steps further a couple of years ago. Not only they kissed and she kept it from Liam. But then he forged a letter with Caroline's handwriting and she decided to dump Liam for Thomas. She gave him annulment papers and continuously begged him to sign them. Then a week later she was wearing Thomas' ring, vowing to spend the rest of her life with him... and marrying him. Liam begged her to stay with him and she still went ahead with the ceremony. If Liam had never found out Beth was alive, she'd still be married to Thomas today. I don't care if they were sad about losing Beth, it's not an excuse to cheat, throw a marriage away and marry another dude within a week!!! Liam should have slammed the door on her face and moved on back then. But he still begged her to leave Thomas and took her back with open arms!!! It was a bad decision to forgive her. At least she hasn't left Liam and married Thomas this time!!!

Then he wants to go back to Steffy, who also dumped him after her miscarriage, cheated on him with his brother and his father. How is it a better alternative than Hope? Terrible reasoning, writers!! They don't know what to do with his character, he is written all over the place. Keep him single for a while or bring someone new. I don't support Steffy and Finn but revisiting her and Liam is a terrible idea, they broke up way too many times!!!


Because Liam knew and admitted she wasn't in her right mind after losing Beth..her grief got the best of her and she wasn't thinking straight..that's why he forgave her for marrying Thomas back then. Plus, that short fraud marriage wasn't even consummated.


Then why can't he see that she is in the middle of a mental crisis right now? That is the part that is not making sense to me. Hope is telling everyone at this point she has no idea why she is doing what she is doing, she does not understand it, she even told Liam she didn't know who she is anymore. She has told her mother, Liam and now RJ, she has no idea what is going on with her. That she knows that she should be repelled by the man that wanted her child to be dead to her forever. That she does not want Tom, that she is in love with Liam and their family. Why is no one hearing her? She is begging for help and they are ignoring it.

Because the show is pushing creepy Thope..they want to force Thope in this very plot driven story. JMO. Remember, Hope actually said to Paris that she thinks her husband Liam is the HOTTEST guy in the world but the show is ignoring this dialogue..and suddenly, she’s now lusting after a “bad boy” who’s not as hot as her HOTTEST husband. Makes absolutely no sense to me either. LOL.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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Why didn't Liam move on when Hope MARRIED Thomas

Drangonfly @, 7/5/2023, 1:24PM (302 days ago) @matisse

Color me confused, I don't get the logic here. He is done now because she had an affair with Thomas but he still desperately wanted her when she DUMPED him and MARRIED Thomas. Wasn't it about 10 times worse?? :surprised

As horrifying as this affair is, she still went 3 steps further a couple of years ago. Not only they kissed and she kept it from Liam. But then he forged a letter with Caroline's handwriting and she decided to dump Liam for Thomas. She gave him annulment papers and continuously begged him to sign them. Then a week later she was wearing Thomas' ring, vowing to spend the rest of her life with him... and marrying him. Liam begged her to stay with him and she still went ahead with the ceremony. If Liam had never found out Beth was alive, she'd still be married to Thomas today. I don't care if they were sad about losing Beth, it's not an excuse to cheat, throw a marriage away and marry another dude within a week!!! Liam should have slammed the door on her face and moved on back then. But he still begged her to leave Thomas and took her back with open arms!!! It was a bad decision to forgive her. At least she hasn't left Liam and married Thomas this time!!!

Then he wants to go back to Steffy, who also dumped him after her miscarriage, cheated on him with his brother and his father. How is it a better alternative than Hope? Terrible reasoning, writers!! They don't know what to do with his character, he is written all over the place. Keep him single for a while or bring someone new. I don't support Steffy and Finn but revisiting her and Liam is a terrible idea, they broke up way too many times!!!


Because Liam knew and admitted she wasn't in her right mind after losing Beth..her grief got the best of her and she wasn't thinking straight..that's why he forgave her for marrying Thomas back then. Plus, that short fraud marriage wasn't even consummated.


Then why can't he see that she is in the middle of a mental crisis right now? That is the part that is not making sense to me. Hope is telling everyone at this point she has no idea why she is doing what she is doing, she does not understand it, she even told Liam she didn't know who she is anymore. She has told her mother, Liam and now RJ, she has no idea what is going on with her. That she knows that she should be repelled by the man that wanted her child to be dead to her forever. That she does not want Tom, that she is in love with Liam and their family. Why is no one hearing her? She is begging for help and they are ignoring it.

Because then the story would be over before it started. If Liam recognized that Hope was in a mental crisis and forgave her for what happened in Rome, then we couldn't have the Thope tease/pairing.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

Why didn't Liam move on when Hope MARRIED Thomas

Sammy @, 7/5/2023, 1:31PM (302 days ago) @matisse

Then why can't he see that she is in the middle of a mental crisis right now? That is the part that is not making sense to me. Hope is telling everyone at this point she has no idea why she is doing what she is doing, she does not understand it, she even told Liam she didn't know who she is anymore. She has told her mother, Liam and now RJ, she has no idea what is going on with her. That she knows that she should be repelled by the man that wanted her child to be dead to her forever. That she does not want Tom, that she is in love with Liam and their family. Why is no one hearing her? She is begging for help and they are ignoring it.

Hope is NOT in middle of having a mental crisis! She isn’t begging for help. Most of the above, Hope never said. Yes she has gotten close to Thomas. What happened in Rome, was just the excitement of what was happening. It was a kiss. They never had sex or came close. Liam didn’t let her know he was coming or was there. Even if he was he would put on his broken record. She was in the moment
Liam had two moments and a lot worse than a kiss. I am all for locking him up in a mental hospital
Thomas isn’t the one causing issues. That is all on Liam.
Hope said she doesn’t know why she Did what she Did. Big difference in not knowing what she is doing
It was a kiss. Liam has had a lot more

Mental crisis? Liam would drive anyone to it

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Why didn't Liam move on when Hope MARRIED Thomas

Drangonfly @, 7/5/2023, 2:16PM (302 days ago) @Sammy

Then why can't he see that she is in the middle of a mental crisis right now? That is the part that is not making sense to me. Hope is telling everyone at this point she has no idea why she is doing what she is doing, she does not understand it, she even told Liam she didn't know who she is anymore. She has told her mother, Liam and now RJ, she has no idea what is going on with her. That she knows that she should be repelled by the man that wanted her child to be dead to her forever. That she does not want Tom, that she is in love with Liam and their family. Why is no one hearing her? She is begging for help and they are ignoring it.


Hope is NOT in middle of having a mental crisis! She isn’t begging for help. Most of the above, Hope never said. Yes she has gotten close to Thomas. What happened in Rome, was just the excitement of what was happening. It was a kiss. They never had sex or came close. Liam didn’t let her know he was coming or was there. Even if he was he would put on his broken record. She was in the moment
Liam had two moments and a lot worse than a kiss. I am all for locking him up in a mental hospital
Thomas isn’t the one causing issues. That is all on Liam.
Hope said she doesn’t know why she Did what she Did. Big difference in not knowing what she is doing
It was a kiss. Liam has had a lot more

Mental crisis? Liam would drive anyone to it

What she described today sounded like she's having more of an identity crisis. It isn't an excuse for what happened, but it did offer some insight into what's going on with her. Now it's up to Liam to either forgive her or not. If he can't, oh, well. Then he should go through with the divorce.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

Why didn't Liam move on when Hope MARRIED Thomas

SonOfMan ⌂, VT, 7/6/2023, 10:38PM (301 days ago) @matisse

Color me confused, I don't get the logic here. He is done now because she had an affair with Thomas but he still desperately wanted her when she DUMPED him and MARRIED Thomas. Wasn't it about 10 times worse?? :surprised

As horrifying as this affair is, she still went 3 steps further a couple of years ago. Not only they kissed and she kept it from Liam. But then he forged a letter with Caroline's handwriting and she decided to dump Liam for Thomas. She gave him annulment papers and continuously begged him to sign them. Then a week later she was wearing Thomas' ring, vowing to spend the rest of her life with him... and marrying him. Liam begged her to stay with him and she still went ahead with the ceremony. If Liam had never found out Beth was alive, she'd still be married to Thomas today. I don't care if they were sad about losing Beth, it's not an excuse to cheat, throw a marriage away and marry another dude within a week!!! Liam should have slammed the door on her face and moved on back then. But he still begged her to leave Thomas and took her back with open arms!!! It was a bad decision to forgive her. At least she hasn't left Liam and married Thomas this time!!!

Then he wants to go back to Steffy, who also dumped him after her miscarriage, cheated on him with his brother and his father. How is it a better alternative than Hope? Terrible reasoning, writers!! They don't know what to do with his character, he is written all over the place. Keep him single for a while or bring someone new. I don't support Steffy and Finn but revisiting her and Liam is a terrible idea, they broke up way too many times!!!


Because Liam knew and admitted she wasn't in her right mind after losing Beth..her grief got the best of her and she wasn't thinking straight..that's why he forgave her for marrying Thomas back then. Plus, that short fraud marriage wasn't even consummated.


Then why can't he see that she is in the middle of a mental crisis right now? That is the part that is not making sense to me. Hope is telling everyone at this point she has no idea why she is doing what she is doing, she does not understand it, she even told Liam she didn't know who she is anymore. She has told her mother, Liam and now RJ, she has no idea what is going on with her. That she knows that she should be repelled by the man that wanted her child to be dead to her forever. That she does not want Tom, that she is in love with Liam and their family. Why is no one hearing her? She is begging for help and they are ignoring it.


I don't see any mental crisis. If she didn't know what was going on, she would have never worked with Thomas in the first place. She has known about her feelings for how many months? Yet she has done nothing to stay away from Thomas. She knows exactly what she is doing. She didn't look repelled in Italy. She spent the whole trip smiling about her and Thomas.

Why didn't Liam move on when Hope MARRIED Thomas

GracieGirl, 7/4/2023, 10:36PM (303 days ago) @SonOfMan

None of it makes sense because of timing.

Why didn't Liam move on when Hope MARRIED Thomas

Sammy @, 7/4/2023, 10:57PM (303 days ago) @SonOfMan

Liam is a waffler that when things don’t go his way he justifies the waffling. Liam is a “Do as say, not as I do” do kind of guy. Not a real man. He has done the same with Hope and Steffy and even Ivy. Worse kind of man. Only thinks of himself

Why didn't Liam move on when Hope MARRIED Thomas

SonOfMan ⌂, VT, 7/6/2023, 10:30PM (301 days ago) @Sammy

Liam is a waffler that when things don’t go his way he justifies the waffling. Liam is a “Do as say, not as I do” do kind of guy. Not a real man. He has done the same with Hope and Steffy and even Ivy. Worse kind of man. Only thinks of himself

He is married to a waffler who waffles and cheats when things don't go her way. My point is when things didn't go her way, what did she do? She kissed Thomas, dumped Liam, served him with annulment papers, accepted Thomas' proposal and married Thomas. Liam still wanted her... why? It is illogical that he forgave MARRIAGE but he thinks an affair is worse. Both are terrible but marrying Thomas was still 3 levels worse, in my opinion!!!

Why didn't Liam move on when Hope MARRIED Thomas

Sammy @, 7/6/2023, 10:35PM (301 days ago) @SonOfMan

Liam is a waffler that when things don’t go his way he justifies the waffling. Liam is a “Do as say, not as I do” do kind of guy. Not a real man. He has done the same with Hope and Steffy and even Ivy. Worse kind of man. Only thinks of himself


He is married to a waffler who waffles and cheats when things don't go her way. My point is when things didn't go her way, what did she do? She kissed Thomas, dumped Liam, served him with annulment papers, accepted Thomas' proposal and married Thomas. Liam still wanted her... why? It is illogical that he forgave MARRIAGE but he thinks an affair is worse. Both are terrible but marrying Thomas was still 3 levels worse, in my opinion!!!

You are actually calling Hope a waffler? Really? LOL. :rofl She is married to Liam and you are calling Hope a waffler? That takes the cake! Geeez I don’t even know what to say.

Why didn't Liam move on when Hope MARRIED Thomas

SonOfMan ⌂, VT, 7/6/2023, 10:40PM (301 days ago) @Sammy

Liam is a waffler that when things don’t go his way he justifies the waffling. Liam is a “Do as say, not as I do” do kind of guy. Not a real man. He has done the same with Hope and Steffy and even Ivy. Worse kind of man. Only thinks of himself


He is married to a waffler who waffles and cheats when things don't go her way. My point is when things didn't go her way, what did she do? She kissed Thomas, dumped Liam, served him with annulment papers, accepted Thomas' proposal and married Thomas. Liam still wanted her... why? It is illogical that he forgave MARRIAGE but he thinks an affair is worse. Both are terrible but marrying Thomas was still 3 levels worse, in my opinion!!!


You are actually calling Hope a waffler? Really? LOL. :rofl She is married to Liam and you are calling Hope a waffler? That takes the cake! Geeez I don’t even know what to say.

I mean... How many years has she waffled with Wyatt and Liam? She bounced back and forth how many times between the brothers? I lost count.

Hasn't she been waffling between Liam and Thomas for years? She dated Thomas once. Then Married to Liam, marries Thomas, goes back to Liam, flirts with Thomas, fantasizes about Thomas but claims she still wants Liam but then she wants Thomas again. Didn't she waffle with Liam and her first boyfriend too?

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Why didn't Liam move on when Hope MARRIED Thomas

Drangonfly @, 7/5/2023, 11:53AM (302 days ago) @SonOfMan- one person liked this

Color me confused, I don't get the logic here. He is done now because she had an affair with Thomas but he still desperately wanted her when she DUMPED him and MARRIED Thomas. Wasn't it about 10 times worse?? :surprised

As horrifying as this affair is, she still went 3 steps further a couple of years ago. Not only they kissed and she kept it from Liam. But then he forged a letter with Caroline's handwriting and she decided to dump Liam for Thomas. She gave him annulment papers and continuously begged him to sign them. Then a week later she was wearing Thomas' ring, vowing to spend the rest of her life with him... and marrying him. Liam begged her to stay with him and she still went ahead with the ceremony. If Liam had never found out Beth was alive, she'd still be married to Thomas today. I don't care if they were sad about losing Beth, it's not an excuse to cheat, throw a marriage away and marry another dude within a week!!! Liam should have slammed the door on her face and moved on back then. But he still begged her to leave Thomas and took her back with open arms!!! It was a bad decision to forgive her. At least she hasn't left Liam and married Thomas this time!!!

Then he wants to go back to Steffy, who also dumped him after her miscarriage, cheated on him with his brother and his father. How is it a better alternative than Hope? Terrible reasoning, writers!! They don't know what to do with his character, he is written all over the place. Keep him single for a while or bring someone new. I don't support Steffy and Finn but revisiting her and Liam is a terrible idea, they broke up way too many times!!!

Hope agreed to marry Thomas because he manipulated her when she was deep in grief. Liam knows that. And he knows that she decided to accept Thomas's proposal after he had sex with Steffy. Neither of them knew that Thomas drugged Liam to make it happen.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

Why didn't Liam move on when Hope MARRIED Thomas

SonOfMan ⌂, VT, 7/6/2023, 10:35PM (301 days ago) @Drangonfly

Color me confused, I don't get the logic here. He is done now because she had an affair with Thomas but he still desperately wanted her when she DUMPED him and MARRIED Thomas. Wasn't it about 10 times worse?? :surprised

As horrifying as this affair is, she still went 3 steps further a couple of years ago. Not only they kissed and she kept it from Liam. But then he forged a letter with Caroline's handwriting and she decided to dump Liam for Thomas. She gave him annulment papers and continuously begged him to sign them. Then a week later she was wearing Thomas' ring, vowing to spend the rest of her life with him... and marrying him. Liam begged her to stay with him and she still went ahead with the ceremony. If Liam had never found out Beth was alive, she'd still be married to Thomas today. I don't care if they were sad about losing Beth, it's not an excuse to cheat, throw a marriage away and marry another dude within a week!!! Liam should have slammed the door on her face and moved on back then. But he still begged her to leave Thomas and took her back with open arms!!! It was a bad decision to forgive her. At least she hasn't left Liam and married Thomas this time!!!

Then he wants to go back to Steffy, who also dumped him after her miscarriage, cheated on him with his brother and his father. How is it a better alternative than Hope? Terrible reasoning, writers!! They don't know what to do with his character, he is written all over the place. Keep him single for a while or bring someone new. I don't support Steffy and Finn but revisiting her and Liam is a terrible idea, they broke up way too many times!!!


Hope agreed to marry Thomas because he manipulated her when she was deep in grief. Liam knows that. And he knows that she decided to accept Thomas's proposal after he had sex with Steffy. Neither of them knew that Thomas drugged Liam to make it happen.


Manipulated her how? Ok, he knew Beth was alive and he did some shady things, but Hope could have said no!!! He never forced her to leave Liam and make vows to him. Everyone begged her to stay single and not marry Thomas but she did it anyway!!!

Annulling her marriage to Liam was one thing. But keeping the kiss with Thomas secret before they signed the papers? And jumping into a relationship with Thomas right away, minutes after they signed the papers? And then MARRIAGE? Ridiculous. Grieving doesn't excuse everything. Liam was also grieving but he didn't annul Hope and he didn't date or marry anybody else before they found out Beth was alive. Hope could have stayed single for a few months, she married Thomas before the ink on her annulment papers was dry! Liam still wanted her after that, I will never understand why. I understand why he doesn't want her now, but his reasoning makes no sense.

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