Is Hope Really Gaslighting Liam? (General)

I think you bring up a good point. I don't think she has accepted that she has feelings for Thomas at ALL even though she is actively having fantasies, she was uncomfortable even admitting that she felt "something" to her mother. She is a married woman with kids who holds herself to a high moral standard. That's why she is so disturbed by all this because she does love Liam and their life. She doesn't want these feelings and thinks she is in control because she would never do that. I do believe she loves her husband and doesn't want to destroy her life. Liam has generally been her end all be all and now she's really drawn to the wrong man. She hasn't actually acted on those feelings so to me she hasn't actually done anything, yes she is emotionally intertwined with Thomas, but it's a one-sided entanglement since Thomas is oblivious even though he is a full participant.

At the same time, she doesn't want to give up Thomas, as his face gets more revealed in the fantasy - I think this symbolizes her own acceptance of whats happening with her.

As someone said, she's gaslighting herself. She fighting with herself and currently losing...

Good points, but in seeing Tom more clearly in the fantasy, does that mean she wants a life with him, over the life she has now? I doubt it. But, we know from the spoiler for next week, the choice is not going to be hers to make anymore. Liam goes to Rome to surprise her and tell her he was sorry for not trusting the situation, he is going to get an eyeful or earful, and then the choice is going to be Liam's. Hope will not choose Tom over Liam even if she is head over heals for Tom, so this is going to be Liam making the choice. I am now wondering if whatever happens leads to Tom losing all the ground he has gained in his mental health, and Hope will be to blame? I do blame Hope for all of this stuff. She knows she is having fantasies about Tom, and she knows she is putting Tom above her own husband and child....she should be adult enough to know that she needed to stop working with Tom without someone else in the room, all the time. And that she should have been talking this out with a therapist, priest, or best friend or even her dad, who is no novice to any of this stuff and he is street savvy. Let's say Tom is just not biding his time here, which I think he is still a sicko, but let's say he is not....Hope is not only messing with her life, Liam and Beth's life, she would be messing with Tom too. Hope is the bad guy here. She is going to have to own this now, whichever direction it goes. Another thing, she has given Steffy the moral upper hand here by denying to Steffy the truth about what Steffy saw, she has also given ammo to Taylor to use against her and her mother. And Ridge will be none to happy with her if Tom regresses because of her school girl fantasy act.

Hope is doing wrong, but she is not in control of what Thomas does. If Thomas goes off the deep end, it is because Thomas has not changed. If he is soooooo very fragile that Hope can "set him off", he should be taking care of himself by not putting himself in the situation as well. Hope isn't responsible for Thomas' actions, ever.

No, she isn´t.
If he really could be "derailed" so easily he probably was not "changed" from the beginning on.
Then it would be Steffy´s fault for bringing him back and forcing Hope to work with him.
And if he really had changed then finding out that Hope indeed wants him too, that the attraction is mutual, will certainly not make him regress.

Exactly. Hope cannot be blamed for Thomas. Hope is responsible for her own poor choices, and as of yet, she has done nothing that cannot be fixed. Even if she kisses or does more with Thomas, she still will not have done anything that anyone else hasn't done and already been forgiven for, so nothing will be permanent. I mean, Steffy cheated on Finn with her married ex and got rewarded with a wedding proposal.

I think you bring up a good point. I don't think she has accepted that she has feelings for Thomas at ALL even though she is actively having fantasies, she was uncomfortable even admitting that she felt "something" to her mother. She is a married woman with kids who holds herself to a high moral standard. That's why she is so disturbed by all this because she does love Liam and their life. She doesn't want these feelings and thinks she is in control because she would never do that. I do believe she loves her husband and doesn't want to destroy her life. Liam has generally been her end all be all and now she's really drawn to the wrong man. She hasn't actually acted on those feelings so to me she hasn't actually done anything, yes she is emotionally intertwined with Thomas, but it's a one-sided entanglement since Thomas is oblivious even though he is a full participant.

At the same time, she doesn't want to give up Thomas, as his face gets more revealed in the fantasy - I think this symbolizes her own acceptance of whats happening with her.

As someone said, she's gaslighting herself. She fighting with herself and currently losing...

Good points, but in seeing Tom more clearly in the fantasy, does that mean she wants a life with him, over the life she has now? I doubt it. But, we know from the spoiler for next week, the choice is not going to be hers to make anymore. Liam goes to Rome to surprise her and tell her he was sorry for not trusting the situation, he is going to get an eyeful or earful, and then the choice is going to be Liam's. Hope will not choose Tom over Liam even if she is head over heals for Tom, so this is going to be Liam making the choice. I am now wondering if whatever happens leads to Tom losing all the ground he has gained in his mental health, and Hope will be to blame? I do blame Hope for all of this stuff. She knows she is having fantasies about Tom, and she knows she is putting Tom above her own husband and child....she should be adult enough to know that she needed to stop working with Tom without someone else in the room, all the time. And that she should have been talking this out with a therapist, priest, or best friend or even her dad, who is no novice to any of this stuff and he is street savvy. Let's say Tom is just not biding his time here, which I think he is still a sicko, but let's say he is not....Hope is not only messing with her life, Liam and Beth's life, she would be messing with Tom too. Hope is the bad guy here. She is going to have to own this now, whichever direction it goes. Another thing, she has given Steffy the moral upper hand here by denying to Steffy the truth about what Steffy saw, she has also given ammo to Taylor to use against her and her mother. And Ridge will be none to happy with her if Tom regresses because of her school girl fantasy act.

Hope is doing wrong, but she is not in control of what Thomas does. If Thomas goes off the deep end, it is because Thomas has not changed. If he is soooooo very fragile that Hope can "set him off", he should be taking care of himself by not putting himself in the situation as well. Hope isn't responsible for Thomas' actions, ever.

If Tom is really trying to be better, and I don't believe he is, then yes Hope needs to do everything she can to make sure he succeeds in it. And gazing into his eyes and sending signals to him and spending 14 hours a day with him, alone, is not helping him to stay "sober" so to speak. Hope may not be responsible if he goes off the deep end, but she would have aided and abetted it happening. Just confiding in him about Liam's personal feelings and insecurities was wrong, she betrayed her husbands trust right there. She gave Tom ammo to use against her husband. Sorry, but I do see this mess as almost be all Hope's fault and I do think she will come to a fool's end when all is said and done. She will be left in the ashes. JMO. And then maybe she can rise up.

Still disagree. Hope owes Thomas nothing. HE needs to make sure HE is not doing things HE cannot control. Using your "sober" analogy, if Thomas were an alcoholic, it would be up to him to decide if he could or could not be around alcohol, it would not be up to everyone else to not have alcohol just so HE doesn't mess up.

I think you bring up a good point. I don't think she has accepted that she has feelings for Thomas at ALL even though she is actively having fantasies, she was uncomfortable even admitting that she felt "something" to her mother. She is a married woman with kids who holds herself to a high moral standard. That's why she is so disturbed by all this because she does love Liam and their life. She doesn't want these feelings and thinks she is in control because she would never do that. I do believe she loves her husband and doesn't want to destroy her life. Liam has generally been her end all be all and now she's really drawn to the wrong man. She hasn't actually acted on those feelings so to me she hasn't actually done anything, yes she is emotionally intertwined with Thomas, but it's a one-sided entanglement since Thomas is oblivious even though he is a full participant.

At the same time, she doesn't want to give up Thomas, as his face gets more revealed in the fantasy - I think this symbolizes her own acceptance of whats happening with her.

As someone said, she's gaslighting herself. She fighting with herself and currently losing...

Good points, but in seeing Tom more clearly in the fantasy, does that mean she wants a life with him, over the life she has now? I doubt it. But, we know from the spoiler for next week, the choice is not going to be hers to make anymore. Liam goes to Rome to surprise her and tell her he was sorry for not trusting the situation, he is going to get an eyeful or earful, and then the choice is going to be Liam's. Hope will not choose Tom over Liam even if she is head over heals for Tom, so this is going to be Liam making the choice. I am now wondering if whatever happens leads to Tom losing all the ground he has gained in his mental health, and Hope will be to blame? I do blame Hope for all of this stuff. She knows she is having fantasies about Tom, and she knows she is putting Tom above her own husband and child....she should be adult enough to know that she needed to stop working with Tom without someone else in the room, all the time. And that she should have been talking this out with a therapist, priest, or best friend or even her dad, who is no novice to any of this stuff and he is street savvy. Let's say Tom is just not biding his time here, which I think he is still a sicko, but let's say he is not....Hope is not only messing with her life, Liam and Beth's life, she would be messing with Tom too. Hope is the bad guy here. She is going to have to own this now, whichever direction it goes. Another thing, she has given Steffy the moral upper hand here by denying to Steffy the truth about what Steffy saw, she has also given ammo to Taylor to use against her and her mother. And Ridge will be none to happy with her if Tom regresses because of her school girl fantasy act.

Hope is doing wrong, but she is not in control of what Thomas does. If Thomas goes off the deep end, it is because Thomas has not changed. If he is soooooo very fragile that Hope can "set him off", he should be taking care of himself by not putting himself in the situation as well. Hope isn't responsible for Thomas' actions, ever.

If Tom is really trying to be better, and I don't believe he is, then yes Hope needs to do everything she can to make sure he succeeds in it. And gazing into his eyes and sending signals to him and spending 14 hours a day with him, alone, is not helping him to stay "sober" so to speak. Hope may not be responsible if he goes off the deep end, but she would have aided and abetted it happening. Just confiding in him about Liam's personal feelings and insecurities was wrong, she betrayed her husbands trust right there. She gave Tom ammo to use against her husband. Sorry, but I do see this mess as almost be all Hope's fault and I do think she will come to a fool's end when all is said and done. She will be left in the ashes. JMO. And then maybe she can rise up.

Agree with you Matisse. While everyone is ultimately responsible for their own actions, decent people do consider the effects of their actions on those around them, and in this storyline Hope’s “feelings”, which she seems to see as all about her, also very much affect both Liam and Thomas.

I think you bring up a good point. I don't think she has accepted that she has feelings for Thomas at ALL even though she is actively having fantasies, she was uncomfortable even admitting that she felt "something" to her mother. She is a married woman with kids who holds herself to a high moral standard. That's why she is so disturbed by all this because she does love Liam and their life. She doesn't want these feelings and thinks she is in control because she would never do that. I do believe she loves her husband and doesn't want to destroy her life. Liam has generally been her end all be all and now she's really drawn to the wrong man. She hasn't actually acted on those feelings so to me she hasn't actually done anything, yes she is emotionally intertwined with Thomas, but it's a one-sided entanglement since Thomas is oblivious even though he is a full participant.

At the same time, she doesn't want to give up Thomas, as his face gets more revealed in the fantasy - I think this symbolizes her own acceptance of whats happening with her.

As someone said, she's gaslighting herself. She fighting with herself and currently losing...

All of this can be true, and at the same time she is gaslighting her husband to avoid telling him the truth about her feelings. Yes, you can keep your feelings to yourself. However, when your husband point blank asks you what's your feelings are, and you deflect, making him feel like no his feelings for the man are the problem, now you're into gaslighting territory. Liam is turning himself inside out trying to figure out what the problem is and she is busy telling him he's the problem for not supporting her career, he's the problem for not seeing the change in thomas, he's the problem for wanting Thomas gone. However, no. The problem is she's having sexual fantasies about thomas. And that is the reason she's gaslighting because she's making Liam feel like it's everything but her.

I agree with this, and personally I think sending Brooke on a wild goose chase by telling her Steffy was up to her old tricks interfering in her marriage was gaslighting her mother too.

True, and that was the straw that broke the camel's back for Brooke and taylor. Hopes gaslighting is destructive. I'm not saying broken Taylor were going to stay friends, but hope didn't need to sicc her mom on Steffy at this time, knowing Brooke and Taylor were trying to be friends.

Exactly but it was great deflecting.

I think you bring up a good point. I don't think she has accepted that she has feelings for Thomas at ALL even though she is actively having fantasies, she was uncomfortable even admitting that she felt "something" to her mother. She is a married woman with kids who holds herself to a high moral standard. That's why she is so disturbed by all this because she does love Liam and their life. She doesn't want these feelings and thinks she is in control because she would never do that. I do believe she loves her husband and doesn't want to destroy her life. Liam has generally been her end all be all and now she's really drawn to the wrong man. She hasn't actually acted on those feelings so to me she hasn't actually done anything, yes she is emotionally intertwined with Thomas, but it's a one-sided entanglement since Thomas is oblivious even though he is a full participant.

At the same time, she doesn't want to give up Thomas, as his face gets more revealed in the fantasy - I think this symbolizes her own acceptance of whats happening with her.

As someone said, she's gaslighting herself. She fighting with herself and currently losing...

All of this can be true, and at the same time she is gaslighting her husband to avoid telling him the truth about her feelings. Yes, you can keep your feelings to yourself. However, when your husband point blank asks you what's your feelings are, and you deflect, making him feel like no his feelings for the man are the problem, now you're into gaslighting territory. Liam is turning himself inside out trying to figure out what the problem is and she is busy telling him he's the problem for not supporting her career, he's the problem for not seeing the change in thomas, he's the problem for wanting Thomas gone. However, no. The problem is she's having sexual fantasies about thomas. And that is the reason she's gaslighting because she's making Liam feel like it's everything but her.

I agree with this, and personally I think sending Brooke on a wild goose chase by telling her Steffy was up to her old tricks interfering in her marriage was gaslighting her mother too.

True, and that was the straw that broke the camel's back for Brooke and taylor. Hopes gaslighting is destructive. I'm not saying broken Taylor were going to stay friends, but hope didn't need to sicc her mom on Steffy at this time, knowing Brooke and Taylor were trying to be friends.

I am sorry, but Hope is not responsible for Taylor being a traitorous piece of crap.