I still think Hope looks bad in this situation (General)

GracieGirl, 6/8/2023, 10:01PM (330 days ago)

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Liz @, 6/8/2023, 10:03PM (330 days ago) @GracieGirl- one person liked this

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.

Trouble arrived when Hope hired Thomas back to HFTF after promising her husband she wouldn't do that.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

BBDownunder, 6/8/2023, 10:09PM (330 days ago) @Liz- one person liked this

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


Trouble arrived when Hope hired Thomas back to HFTF after promising her husband she wouldn't do that.

it was either that or lose the line, Hope has said time and time again her career is something she isngt willing to risk

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Liz @, 6/8/2023, 10:18PM (330 days ago) @BBDownunder

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


Trouble arrived when Hope hired Thomas back to HFTF after promising her husband she wouldn't do that.


it was either that or lose the line, Hope has said time and time again her career is something she isngt willing to risk

Then she should do the right thing if her husband and family aren't her #1 priority.

I also wondering If this is really about losing the line, why is she obsessing over Thomas?

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Sammy @, 6/8/2023, 10:53PM (330 days ago) @Liz

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


Trouble arrived when Hope hired Thomas back to HFTF after promising her husband she wouldn't do that.


it was either that or lose the line, Hope has said time and time again her career is something she isngt willing to risk


Then she should do the right thing if her husband and family aren't her #1 priority.

I also wondering If this is really about losing the line, why is she obsessing over Thomas?

What is the right thing then? Give up her line? Nope

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Liz @, 6/9/2023, 8:32AM (330 days ago) @Sammy

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


Trouble arrived when Hope hired Thomas back to HFTF after promising her husband she wouldn't do that.


it was either that or lose the line, Hope has said time and time again her career is something she isngt willing to risk


Then she should do the right thing if her husband and family aren't her #1 priority.

I also wondering If this is really about losing the line, why is she obsessing over Thomas?


What is the right thing then? Give up her line? Nope

I see what you mean. Give up her line or give up on her family. Looks like a no brainer to me.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Sammy @, 6/9/2023, 11:20AM (330 days ago) @Liz- one person liked this

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


Trouble arrived when Hope hired Thomas back to HFTF after promising her husband she wouldn't do that.


it was either that or lose the line, Hope has said time and time again her career is something she isngt willing to risk


Then she should do the right thing if her husband and family aren't her #1 priority.

I also wondering If this is really about losing the line, why is she obsessing over Thomas?


What is the right thing then? Give up her line? Nope


I see what you mean. Give up her line or give up on her family. Looks like a no brainer to me.

I don’t feel her family should expect Hope to give up her line. First, Hope hasn’t actually done anything. Daydreaming? She hasn’t acted on it. Unlike Liam. Thomas isn’t pursuing her.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Liz @, 6/9/2023, 1:42PM (329 days ago) @Sammy

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


Trouble arrived when Hope hired Thomas back to HFTF after promising her husband she wouldn't do that.


it was either that or lose the line, Hope has said time and time again her career is something she isngt willing to risk


Then she should do the right thing if her husband and family aren't her #1 priority.

I also wondering If this is really about losing the line, why is she obsessing over Thomas?


What is the right thing then? Give up her line? Nope


I see what you mean. Give up her line or give up on her family. Looks like a no brainer to me.


I don’t feel her family should expect Hope to give up her line. First, Hope hasn’t actually done anything. Daydreaming? She hasn’t acted on it. Unlike Liam. Thomas isn’t pursuing her.

They don't expect her to give up her line. They just need her to listen to their concerns and be honest with them, Perhaps spending more and more time with Thomas isn't the best idea considering...

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

GracieGirl, 6/8/2023, 10:19PM (330 days ago) @BBDownunder

To the point that she can’t hear everyone say they are proud of her and they trust her. She seems to see attacks on Thomas as attacks on her.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Sammy @, 6/8/2023, 10:56PM (330 days ago) @GracieGirl

To the point that she can’t hear everyone say they are proud of her and they trust her. She seems to see attacks on Thomas as attacks on her.

Who is attacking Thomas? Liam? Thomas is the designer on Hope for the Future. That is what is was allowed to come back to. Hope shouldn’t have to give it up. For goodness sake, Eric tried to build the line and it was a flop.

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I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Tiqui1999 @, 6/9/2023, 9:46AM (330 days ago) @Liz
edited by Tiqui1999, 6/9/2023, 9:51AM

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


Trouble arrived when Hope hired Thomas back to HFTF after promising her husband she wouldn't do that.

That's true. It may not be a popular view anymore, but when you get married, you're supposed to give deference to your spouse. You're supposed to make decisions with your spouse. You're not supposed to go back on your word to your spouse. If Thomas had done the things he done, then I would see Liam's demands as unreasonable. However Liam was not being unreasonable, and hope had agreed with him. So she was wrong to go back on that.

If Thomas had a high knee problems, then Liam needed to give deference to hope. So it doesn't go just one way. But in this case, hope should have kept her word.

So no matter how it goes down, it's all a big t's, or they actually do something, I'm still going to have a problem with hope because I've had a problem with how she has dealt with it from day one. She's been wrong from day one. Even if she pulls it out resist in the end, she's been wrong from day one.

I need her to acknowledge that Liam had a point. And she should not have gone back on the agreement. I need her to acknowledge to her mother that she had no business blaming her feelings for Thomas on her mother. If she does those things, then she might be all right with me again.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

fan87, 6/8/2023, 10:42PM (330 days ago) @GracieGirl

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.

Hope is playing with fire and I think she’s about to get burned!:frown

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

GracieGirl, 6/8/2023, 10:43PM (330 days ago) @fan87

Hope could end up with nothing, nothing at all.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

dxdobson, 6/8/2023, 10:55PM (330 days ago) @GracieGirl

The situation was not fair to Hope!
Of course Thomas is the perfect designer for HFTF - he is obsessed with the person who created the line. He has been its only designer other than Thorne. And of course you can’t call Thorne because he used to be with Taylor - twice - and you can’t have that come up! LOL
If Steffy thought Hope was having issues - she could have shut that down quickly! Hope you work from home and we will have TEAM meetings and you can use people to bring designs back and forth y try o protect the designs.
She said this is a multi BILLION dollar company.
They run it like a mom and pop organization!

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

fan87, 6/8/2023, 11:05PM (330 days ago) @GracieGirl

Hope could end up with nothing, nothing at all.

Yep, because I believe for Thomas it’s always been about possessing Hope. Once he has her, he’ll probably lose interest.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Sammy @, 6/8/2023, 10:57PM (330 days ago) @fan87

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


Hope is playing with fire and I think she’s about to get burned!:frown

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I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Joy, 6/8/2023, 10:48PM (330 days ago) @GracieGirl

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.

I think trouble is definitely brewing. Liam and Hope has been together for about as long as soap couples are allowed to be together. I think either Thomas is going to make a move on Hope and Liams sees it or it is going to be an innocent situation and Liam gets the wrong impression. The two splitting up wouldn't really bother me if it was over anyone else but Thomas. Even Wyatt or Finn would have been better than Thomas. If the writers wanted to split the couple up, it could have been because Hope was too caught up in her line. They would not even have to be another man involved. I have an idea that the writers are trying to erase Thomas' past like they have done Taylor and Steffy's.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Sammy @, 6/8/2023, 10:59PM (330 days ago) @Joy

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


I think trouble is definitely brewing. Liam and Hope has been together for about as long as soap couples are allowed to be together. I think either Thomas is going to make a move on Hope and Liams sees it or it is going to be an innocent situation and Liam gets the wrong impression. The two splitting up wouldn't really bother me if it was over anyone else but Thomas. Even Wyatt or Finn would have been better than Thomas. If the writers wanted to split the couple up, it could have been because Hope was too caught up in her line. They would not even have to be another man involved. I have an idea that the writers are trying to erase Thomas' past like they have done Taylor and Steffy's.

A lot of Thomas past is brought up all the time

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Joy, 6/9/2023, 6:44AM (330 days ago) @Sammy

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


I think trouble is definitely brewing. Liam and Hope has been together for about as long as soap couples are allowed to be together. I think either Thomas is going to make a move on Hope and Liams sees it or it is going to be an innocent situation and Liam gets the wrong impression. The two splitting up wouldn't really bother me if it was over anyone else but Thomas. Even Wyatt or Finn would have been better than Thomas. If the writers wanted to split the couple up, it could have been because Hope was too caught up in her line. They would not even have to be another man involved. I have an idea that the writers are trying to erase Thomas' past like they have done Taylor and Steffy's.


A lot of Thomas past is brought up all the time

Yes, it is for right now, but if they end up putting him with Hope, I believe they will start writing him like Taylor and Steffy where his past is rarely if ever brought up.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Sammy @, 6/9/2023, 11:26AM (330 days ago) @Joy- one person liked this

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


I think trouble is definitely brewing. Liam and Hope has been together for about as long as soap couples are allowed to be together. I think either Thomas is going to make a move on Hope and Liams sees it or it is going to be an innocent situation and Liam gets the wrong impression. The two splitting up wouldn't really bother me if it was over anyone else but Thomas. Even Wyatt or Finn would have been better than Thomas. If the writers wanted to split the couple up, it could have been because Hope was too caught up in her line. They would not even have to be another man involved. I have an idea that the writers are trying to erase Thomas' past like they have done Taylor and Steffy's.


A lot of Thomas past is brought up all the time


Yes, it is for right now, but if they end up putting him with Hope, I believe they will start writing him like Taylor and Steffy where his past is rarely if ever brought up.

Well that is what they do. They don’t mention Ridge or Eric’s past. They tried to steal BeLief from Brooke. A lot of things have been swept under the rug in the past

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I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Tiqui1999 @, 6/9/2023, 9:56AM (330 days ago) @Joy

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


I think trouble is definitely brewing. Liam and Hope has been together for about as long as soap couples are allowed to be together. I think either Thomas is going to make a move on Hope and Liams sees it or it is going to be an innocent situation and Liam gets the wrong impression. The two splitting up wouldn't really bother me if it was over anyone else but Thomas. Even Wyatt or Finn would have been better than Thomas. If the writers wanted to split the couple up, it could have been because Hope was too caught up in her line. They would not even have to be another man involved. I have an idea that the writers are trying to erase Thomas' past like they have done Taylor and Steffy's.

It's not going to be thomas. The writers that beat it into our heads with the dialogue that it is not going to be thomas.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Sammy @, 6/8/2023, 10:52PM (330 days ago) @GracieGirl

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.

If it blows up in her face then she was wrong. Until then Hope isn’t doing any wrong. Whatever she did or didn’t do weeks ago, no longer matters.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

GracieGirl, 6/8/2023, 10:58PM (330 days ago) @Sammy- one person liked this

I think pretending as if everything is okay when it’s not, is not good for Hope.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Sammy @, 6/8/2023, 11:09PM (330 days ago) @GracieGirl

I think pretending as if everything is okay when it’s not, is not good for Hope.

Maybe there is no pretending. Lately both Hope and Thomas are just working on HFTF. There has been no more day dreaming. Nothing. FC can’t just let HFTF go. It is too big and has cost too much money

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

GLFan, 6/8/2023, 11:40PM (330 days ago) @Sammy- one person liked this

I think pretending as if everything is okay when it’s not, is not good for Hope.


Maybe there is no pretending. Lately both Hope and Thomas are just working on HFTF. There has been no more day dreaming. Nothing. FC can’t just let HFTF go. It is too big and has cost too much money

When Hope got to the office today she had flashbacks that included when she saw Thomas during sex with Liam.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Sammy @, 6/9/2023, 1:00AM (330 days ago) @GLFan

I think pretending as if everything is okay when it’s not, is not good for Hope.


Maybe there is no pretending. Lately both Hope and Thomas are just working on HFTF. There has been no more day dreaming. Nothing. FC can’t just let HFTF go. It is too big and has cost too much money


When Hope got to the office today she had flashbacks that included when she saw Thomas during sex with Liam.

I watched at home and thought I saw all of it. There was an interruption I didn’t relative. I just watched on line and saw what you were talking about. I am so sorry. I just didn’t attention while watching on tv
Please accept my apology:ange

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I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Tiqui1999 @, 6/9/2023, 10:18AM (330 days ago) @Sammy

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


If it blows up in her face then she was wrong. Until then Hope isn’t doing any wrong. Whatever she did or didn’t do weeks ago, no longer matters.

On the contrary, what she did weeks ago does, too, matter. Liam even said so in the dialogue. And I disagree that you are wrong just because something blows up in your face. There are plenty of people who didn't do anything wrong, and something still blew up in their face. There are also plenty of people who did something wrong and got away with it perfectly.

Hope is doing something wrong right now. She's not being honest with her husband about her feelings. She vowed at her wedding to put her husband first, forsaking all others. She's not doing that she's putting Thomas and that line above her husband. That's wrong. If she wants her career, then she should marry a man who wants to be second to her career, her designer and partner, and father of one of her children. It's that simple.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

matisse, 6/8/2023, 11:10PM (330 days ago) @GracieGirl

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.

She looks really bad, and she is gaslighting Liam....which is just rotten. She is going to lose him, and turn to Tom, then realize, she made a BIG mistake and it is going to be too late. She is also going to end up being painted from the same brush that painted her mother with the Scarlet A.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

hopeyougogirl, 6/8/2023, 11:33PM (330 days ago) @matisse

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


She looks really bad, and she is gaslighting Liam....which is just rotten. She is going to lose him, and turn to Tom, then realize, she made a BIG mistake and it is going to be too late. She is also going to end up being painted from the same brush that painted her mother with the Scarlet A.

I don't think she will turn to Thomas..she doesn't want him. I think Liam will get fed up in Rome and walk away..and that will be the wake up call she needs. Lope may separate for a while.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

GLFan, 6/8/2023, 11:42PM (330 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


She looks really bad, and she is gaslighting Liam....which is just rotten. She is going to lose him, and turn to Tom, then realize, she made a BIG mistake and it is going to be too late. She is also going to end up being painted from the same brush that painted her mother with the Scarlet A.


I don't think she will turn to Thomas..she doesn't want him. I think Liam will get fed up in Rome and walk away..and that will be the wake up call she needs. Lope may separate for a while.

If she doesn’t want him she has a strange way of showing it.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

hopeyougogirl, 6/9/2023, 12:08AM (330 days ago) @GLFan

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


She looks really bad, and she is gaslighting Liam....which is just rotten. She is going to lose him, and turn to Tom, then realize, she made a BIG mistake and it is going to be too late. She is also going to end up being painted from the same brush that painted her mother with the Scarlet A.


I don't think she will turn to Thomas..she doesn't want him. I think Liam will get fed up in Rome and walk away..and that will be the wake up call she needs. Lope may separate for a while.


If she doesn’t want him she has a strange way of showing it.

I meant want him romantically..she doesn’t. She only wants him around to keep saving her line..she’s obsessed with her professional baby.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

matisse, 6/9/2023, 12:04AM (330 days ago) @hopeyougogirl- one person liked this

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


She looks really bad, and she is gaslighting Liam....which is just rotten. She is going to lose him, and turn to Tom, then realize, she made a BIG mistake and it is going to be too late. She is also going to end up being painted from the same brush that painted her mother with the Scarlet A.


I don't think she will turn to Thomas..she doesn't want him. I think Liam will get fed up in Rome and walk away..and that will be the wake up call she needs. Lope may separate for a while.

IDK....she came across pretty uncaring today about Liam's concerns, and even if she thinks his concerns are unwarranted (and she knows they are warranted because she is thinking about Tom during sex with her husband and has been lying to her husband), she should still care that he feels this way. Why didn't Hope just ask him nicely to come to Rome and celebrate her victory with her and Tom? She could have told him after the business stuff was over, they could stay on a few days and have a romantic interlude. Hope is being a total snot in my opinion because she KNOWS Liam is right about something brewing, and instead of telling him the TRUTH, she just uses his distrust of Tom, to beat him over the head with indifference to his feelings, instead of owning her part in all of this mess....which is almost all of it. She is using Liam's fears to get away with her own indiscrete and inappropriate thoughts and she is gaslighting Liam. Liam cheated on her, but he never purposefully set out to deceive her and never made her feel like she was the one with a problem, just to deflect from himself. Hope is awful and I will have zero pity for her if this blows up in her face. And, if she takes Tom down with her, and he has not done anything wrong, then I will be all in on Taylor and Steffy making her life a living hell.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

hopeyougogirl, 6/9/2023, 1:31PM (329 days ago) @matisse

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


She looks really bad, and she is gaslighting Liam....which is just rotten. She is going to lose him, and turn to Tom, then realize, she made a BIG mistake and it is going to be too late. She is also going to end up being painted from the same brush that painted her mother with the Scarlet A.


I don't think she will turn to Thomas..she doesn't want him. I think Liam will get fed up in Rome and walk away..and that will be the wake up call she needs. Lope may separate for a while.


IDK....she came across pretty uncaring today about Liam's concerns, and even if she thinks his concerns are unwarranted (and she knows they are warranted because she is thinking about Tom during sex with her husband and has been lying to her husband), she should still care that he feels this way. Why didn't Hope just ask him nicely to come to Rome and celebrate her victory with her and Tom? She could have told him after the business stuff was over, they could stay on a few days and have a romantic interlude. Hope is being a total snot in my opinion because she KNOWS Liam is right about something brewing, and instead of telling him the TRUTH, she just uses his distrust of Tom, to beat him over the head with indifference to his feelings, instead of owning her part in all of this mess....which is almost all of it. She is using Liam's fears to get away with her own indiscrete and inappropriate thoughts and she is gaslighting Liam. Liam cheated on her, but he never purposefully set out to deceive her and never made her feel like she was the one with a problem, just to deflect from himself. Hope is awful and I will have zero pity for her if this blows up in her face. And, if she takes Tom down with her, and he has not done anything wrong, then I will be all in on Taylor and Steffy making her life a living hell.

My view is she can’t tell Liam the truth knowing he hates Thomas, and she needs that monster to keep saving her professional baby. The minute she tells Liam about her creepy feelings, Liam will no doubt demand her to immediately stop working with Thomas and she’s can’t do that because she’s obsessed with her professional baby.

Even on her worst days, Hope will NEVER come close to Taylor and Steffy’s evilness..as far as I’m concerned Hope and Brooke are the ones should be making those 2 nasty witches lives living hell, NOT the reverse. :neutral JMO.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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Tiqui1999 @, 6/9/2023, 10:24AM (330 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


She looks really bad, and she is gaslighting Liam....which is just rotten. She is going to lose him, and turn to Tom, then realize, she made a BIG mistake and it is going to be too late. She is also going to end up being painted from the same brush that painted her mother with the Scarlet A.


I don't think she will turn to Thomas..she doesn't want him. I think Liam will get fed up in Rome and walk away..and that will be the wake up call she needs. Lope may separate for a while.

What is the wake up call for?

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Barbybo, 6/9/2023, 12:03PM (329 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


She looks really bad, and she is gaslighting Liam....which is just rotten. She is going to lose him, and turn to Tom, then realize, she made a BIG mistake and it is going to be too late. She is also going to end up being painted from the same brush that painted her mother with the Scarlet A.


I don't think she will turn to Thomas..she doesn't want him. I think Liam will get fed up in Rome and walk away..and that will be the wake up call she needs. Lope may separate for a while.

Or Hope could get pregnent with Tom and doug could have a baby bro or sis:tv2. They certainly look gorgeous as a couple

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

GracieGirl, 6/9/2023, 3:24PM (329 days ago) @Barbybo

Well if that happens I hope Liam gets Beth since she’s irrelevant and all that matters is Thomas and Douglas. I would want Beth to have someone in her life who loves her more than another man and his child.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

theduchess, 6/9/2023, 12:59AM (330 days ago) @matisse

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


She looks really bad, and she is gaslighting Liam....which is just rotten.

it's this part for me, the gaslighting is really distasteful

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lynnsmom, 6/9/2023, 6:54AM (330 days ago) @matisse

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


She looks really bad, and she is gaslighting Liam....which is just rotten. She is going to lose him, and turn to Tom, then realize, she made a BIG mistake and it is going to be too late. She is also going to end up being painted from the same brush that painted her mother with the Scarlet A.

Hope will not be like Brooke. Steffy has cheated on her last two husbands with an in-law, then cheated on her new guy with a married man. How is Hope going to be the only "Scarlet A" when Steffy never was?

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

mscherry, 6/9/2023, 7:43AM (330 days ago) @lynnsmom

Because she is a Logan...dont you know only the Logans get the backlash...look at taytay she has had more men then Brooke but look who they sxxx shame

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Barbybo, 6/9/2023, 12:04PM (329 days ago) @lynnsmom

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


She looks really bad, and she is gaslighting Liam....which is just rotten. She is going to lose him, and turn to Tom, then realize, she made a BIG mistake and it is going to be too late. She is also going to end up being painted from the same brush that painted her mother with the Scarlet A.


Hope will not be like Brooke. Steffy has cheated on her last two husbands with an in-law, then cheated on her new guy with a married man. How is Hope going to be the only "Scarlet A" when Steffy never was?

So she divorces wuss Liam has career success and her and Tom marry…divorce happens liam nags Hope looks sick of his whines

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

hopeyougogirl, 6/9/2023, 1:38PM (329 days ago) @lynnsmom

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


She looks really bad, and she is gaslighting Liam....which is just rotten. She is going to lose him, and turn to Tom, then realize, she made a BIG mistake and it is going to be too late. She is also going to end up being painted from the same brush that painted her mother with the Scarlet A.


Hope will not be like Brooke. Steffy has cheated on her last two husbands with an in-law, then cheated on her new guy with a married man. How is Hope going to be the only "Scarlet A" when Steffy never was?

Ain’t that the truth! Hope will NEVER come close to adulterous, miss paternity tests’ low. Not even close. IMO.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

BabyKelly, 6/9/2023, 1:00AM (330 days ago) @GracieGirl

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.

Not just in this situation. She has looked bad since the day she cheated on Liam with Thomas while he was dealing with the death of his baby. She was looking bad way before Thomas' return, anyway.

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Lizzy54 @, Austria, 6/9/2023, 1:05AM (330 days ago) @BabyKelly

She didn´t cheat on Liam with Tom. She was half crazy with grief herself and Tom convinced her that Liam should be with Steffy and Kelly while she should be a mother to little douglas.
Shoving Liam to Steffy was a mistake of course but in her state of mind she thought it was the right thing to do, "for the children".
Just saying "she cheated with Tom" is not correct here (and she never slept with Tom while Liam slept with Steffy while living with her).

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

BabyKelly, 6/9/2023, 1:10AM (330 days ago) @Lizzy54

She didn´t cheat on Liam with Tom. She was half crazy with grief herself and Tom convinced her that Liam should be with Steffy and Kelly while she should be a mother to little douglas.
Shoving Liam to Steffy was a mistake of course but in her state of mind she thought it was the right thing to do, "for the children".
Just saying "she cheated with Tom" is not correct here (and she never slept with Tom while Liam slept with Steffy while living with her).

She let Thomas kiss more than once while she was married to Liam and both were grieving Beth. Both were grieving, not just Hope. This is cheating. Kissing another guy while married is cheating.

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Lizzy54 @, Austria, 6/9/2023, 1:31AM (330 days ago) @BabyKelly

Sleeping with Steffy while Hope was with Tom thinking she had to do this "for the children" was wrong too.
If being half crazy with grief is no excuse for Hope then being drugged by Tom is no excuse for Liam.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

BabyKelly, 6/9/2023, 1:38AM (330 days ago) @Lizzy54

Sleeping with Steffy while Hope was with Tom thinking she had to do this "for the children" was wrong too.
If being half crazy with grief is no excuse for Hope then being drugged by Tom is no excuse for Liam.


The drugged night with Steffy was after Hope and Liam signed the annulment papers. He was 100% single and Hope was already dating Thomas when he drugged Liam. Hope and Thomas were locking lips more than once before the annulment. Hope admitted she enjoyed these kisses. The fact that Liam never found out she was cheating on her husband while he was grieving the death of his baby makes these cheating kisses ten times worse.

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Lizzy54 @, Austria, 6/9/2023, 1:55AM (330 days ago) @BabyKelly

I remember Hope not enjoying these kisses. When did she say she enjoyed them and to whom?

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Tngirl58, 6/9/2023, 7:24AM (330 days ago) @Lizzy54

I watched that whole 2019 year and all the kissing between Tom and Hope were Thomas's daydreaming.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Sammy @, 6/9/2023, 11:45AM (329 days ago) @BabyKelly- one person liked this

Sleeping with Steffy while Hope was with Tom thinking she had to do this "for the children" was wrong too.
If being half crazy with grief is no excuse for Hope then being drugged by Tom is no excuse for Liam.

The drugged night with Steffy was after Hope and Liam signed the annulment papers. He was 100% single and Hope was already dating Thomas when he drugged Liam. Hope and Thomas were locking lips more than once before the annulment. Hope admitted she enjoyed these kisses. The fact that Liam never found out she was cheating on her husband while he was grieving the death of his baby makes these cheating kisses ten times worse.

What about the night Liam saw Thomas kiss a mannequin and thought it was Hope. Instead of confronting Thomas and the mannequin, he went to Steffy and slept with her. Liam is a fool

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I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

lynnsmom, 6/9/2023, 8:20AM (330 days ago) @BabyKelly- one person liked this

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


Not just in this situation. She has looked bad since the day she cheated on Liam with Thomas while he was dealing with the death of his baby. She was looking bad way before Thomas' return, anyway.

You mean the three "kisses" that Thomas tried to force on her that she rebuked?

- Thomas surprising Hope when he suddenly kissed her and pulled out the Cabo ring (Hope excusing his behavior as a sign of grief over Caroline's death)
- Thomas kissing Hope, while Liam was in Paris, but Hope pulled away (May 6, 2019)
- Thomas kissed Hope when Lope had agreed to end their marriage (but Hope pushed Thomas back (May 28, 2019)

Sorry, I disagree with your characterization of a psycho planting kisses on someone who never wanted them as the victim looking bad.

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I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Lizzy54 @, Austria, 6/9/2023, 8:46AM (330 days ago) @lynnsmom

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I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

ClemaxDna @, 6/9/2023, 9:17AM (330 days ago) @Lizzy54

Thank you! :cool

Married and kissed another guy, and later admitted in front of Thomas that those kisses were happy memories. If it's cheating for other characters, it's cheating for Hope, imo

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I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Lizzy54 @, Austria, 6/9/2023, 11:06AM (330 days ago) @ClemaxDna

I don´t recall Hope calling the kisses Tom planted on her as "happy memories". When did this happen?

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lynnsmom, 6/9/2023, 11:11AM (330 days ago) @Lizzy54

I don´t recall Hope calling the kisses Tom planted on her as "happy memories". When did this happen?

I don't recall it either.

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I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

ClemaxDna @, 6/9/2023, 9:16AM (330 days ago) @lynnsmom

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


Not just in this situation. She has looked bad since the day she cheated on Liam with Thomas while he was dealing with the death of his baby. She was looking bad way before Thomas' return, anyway.


You mean the three "kisses" that Thomas tried to force on her that she rebuked?

- Thomas surprising Hope when he suddenly kissed her and pulled out the Cabo ring (Hope excusing his behavior as a sign of grief over Caroline's death)
- Thomas kissing Hope, while Liam was in Paris, but Hope pulled away (May 6, 2019)
- Thomas kissed Hope when Lope had agreed to end their marriage (but Hope pushed Thomas back (May 28, 2019)

Sorry, I disagree with your characterization of a psycho planting kisses on someone who never wanted them as the victim looking bad.

A kiss is a kiss. Even Hope described these kisses as happy memories, later. Her words. She was married and kissed another man. If it's cheating when Liam does it, the same rule applies to Hope.

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I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

lynnsmom, 6/9/2023, 9:25AM (330 days ago) @ClemaxDna- one person liked this

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


Not just in this situation. She has looked bad since the day she cheated on Liam with Thomas while he was dealing with the death of his baby. She was looking bad way before Thomas' return, anyway.


You mean the three "kisses" that Thomas tried to force on her that she rebuked?

- Thomas surprising Hope when he suddenly kissed her and pulled out the Cabo ring (Hope excusing his behavior as a sign of grief over Caroline's death)
- Thomas kissing Hope, while Liam was in Paris, but Hope pulled away (May 6, 2019)
- Thomas kissed Hope when Lope had agreed to end their marriage (but Hope pushed Thomas back (May 28, 2019)

Sorry, I disagree with your characterization of a psycho planting kisses on someone who never wanted them as the victim looking bad.


A kiss is a kiss. Even Hope described these kisses as happy memories, later. Her words. She was married and kissed another man. If it's cheating when Liam does it, the same rule applies to Hope.

I have never seen her describe them as "happy memories". She still will never be as bad as Steffy, so I really don't care!

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Tngirl58, 6/9/2023, 9:43AM (330 days ago) @ClemaxDna- one person liked this

I watched all of that last week and all kisses and words were Thomas's daydreaming

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Lizzy54 @, Austria, 6/9/2023, 11:04AM (330 days ago) @ClemaxDna

When did Hope describe those kisses Tom planted on her as "happy memories"? And to whom?

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Barbybo, 6/9/2023, 2:03AM (330 days ago) @GracieGirl

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.

I hope Liam gets dumped Hopes a drag with him…..

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I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Tiqui1999 @, 6/9/2023, 9:45AM (330 days ago) @GracieGirl

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.

I hope that where this is going is that hope makes a fool out of herself with thomas, and Thomas resists her. But at the same time, Liam sees it. That's just my guess about what's going to happen.

I still think Hope looks bad in this situation

Barbybo, 6/9/2023, 1:28PM (329 days ago) @Tiqui1999

This whole thing could blow up in Hope’s face. While she talks about Thomas not being the same man, what happens if the only way Thomas could ever be interested in her if he returns to being a crazy man? How would she feel about him then? What if Steffy is right? What if Liam is right? Hope is blowing off everyone’s concerns, but what if the writers decide that Thomas is incapable of having healthy romantic feelings for Hope? Every character believes there’s a risk, they are not in agreement about the source of the risk. Liam’s words were interesting today. Trouble is coming.


I hope that where this is going is that hope makes a fool out of herself with thomas, and Thomas resists her. But at the same time, Liam sees it. That's just my guess about what's going to happen.

I so want Liam to catch them in bed good soapy stuff

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