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If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings... (Spoilers)

Drangonfly @, 5/26/2023, 10:32PM (346 days ago)

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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Hit-Girl, 5/26/2023, 10:43PM (346 days ago) @Drangonfly

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.

Actors can say what they want, they don't know what will happen! Matt said Thomas has no romantic feelings for Hope, it does not make it true! Annika also talked about repressed feelings and a fascination for Thomas in her podcast! Scott thinks Hope and Thomas deserve a chance to try! Who knows who is right? JMW said Steffy would end up with Bill and it never happened! Actors have their own opinions but that's all it is! For Liam, the fact that she lied about her amorous feelings all these months will make it even harder to accept! He will forgive Hope but he won't want her anymore, IMHO! :oh
PS: Annika predicted exactly the same thing in March! That Hope would try to make soul-searching and try to understand why she has these feelings! Didn't happen so far, did it? She knows she has feelings yet she spends more and more and more and more and more and more and more time with him!

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If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Drangonfly @, 5/26/2023, 10:58PM (346 days ago) @Hit-Girl

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


Actors can say what they want, they don't know what will happen! Matt said Thomas has no romantic feelings for Hope, it does not make it true! Annika also talked about repressed feelings and a fascination for Thomas in her podcast! Scott thinks Hope and Thomas deserve a chance to try! Who knows who is right? JMW said Steffy would end up with Bill and it never happened! Actors have their own opinions but that's all it is! For Liam, the fact that she lied about her amorous feelings all these months will make it even harder to accept! He will forgive Hope but he won't want her anymore, IMHO! :oh
PS: Annika predicted exactly the same thing in March! That Hope would try to make soul-searching and try to understand why she has these feelings! Didn't happen so far, did it? She knows she has feelings yet she spends more and more and more and more and more and more and more time with him!

Annika didn't suggest one way or another what would happen. She didn't offer her opinion. She just said we have to see if she'll do the right thing. I'm just saying it's a possible outcome that she will.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

hopeyougogirl, 5/27/2023, 1:43AM (346 days ago) @Hit-Girl

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


Actors can say what they want, they don't know what will happen! Matt said Thomas has no romantic feelings for Hope, it does not make it true! Annika also talked about repressed feelings and a fascination for Thomas in her podcast! Scott thinks Hope and Thomas deserve a chance to try! Who knows who is right? JMW said Steffy would end up with Bill and it never happened! Actors have their own opinions but that's all it is! For Liam, the fact that she lied about her amorous feelings all these months will make it even harder to accept! He will forgive Hope but he won't want her anymore, IMHO! :oh
PS: Annika predicted exactly the same thing in March! That Hope would try to make soul-searching and try to understand why she has these feelings! Didn't happen so far, did it? She knows she has feelings yet she spends more and more and more and more and more and more and more time with him!

Yet, she ain't doing anything about her supposed feelings..NO passionate kiss, NO jumping his bone, NO locking the office door banging him. Nothing..except G-rated hand holding.:rofl Heck, she has NO thoughts about divorcing Liam and moving on with Thomas whatsoever.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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Lizzy54 @, Austria, 5/27/2023, 3:47AM (346 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

You forgot the "eye contact"! One of the worst sexual crimes a person can commit! :gasp

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Barbybo, 5/27/2023, 9:13AM (345 days ago) @Hit-Girl

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


Actors can say what they want, they don't know what will happen! Matt said Thomas has no romantic feelings for Hope, it does not make it true! Annika also talked about repressed feelings and a fascination for Thomas in her podcast! Scott thinks Hope and Thomas deserve a chance to try! Who knows who is right? JMW said Steffy would end up with Bill and it never happened! Actors have their own opinions but that's all it is! For Liam, the fact that she lied about her amorous feelings all these months will make it even harder to accept! He will forgive Hope but he won't want her anymore, IMHO! :oh
PS: Annika predicted exactly the same thing in March! That Hope would try to make soul-searching and try to understand why she has these feelings! Didn't happen so far, did it? She knows she has feelings yet she spends more and more and more and more and more and more and more time with him!

Acters don’t leak…

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Liz @, 5/26/2023, 10:50PM (346 days ago) @Drangonfly- one person liked this

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.

Hope and Thomas might not hook up in Italy but Liam will overhear or see something that will make him walk away from Hope.

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Drangonfly @, 5/26/2023, 11:01PM (346 days ago) @Liz

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


Hope and Thomas might not hook up in Italy but Liam will overhear or see something that will make him walk away from Hope.

Maybe. But that doesn't mean they can't reunite.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Liz @, 5/26/2023, 11:10PM (346 days ago) @Drangonfly

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


Hope and Thomas might not hook up in Italy but Liam will overhear or see something that will make him walk away from Hope.


Maybe. But that doesn't mean they can't reunite.

Yes. Doesn't mean they can't reunite. But, the twists and turns better be fun.

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If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Drangonfly @, 5/26/2023, 11:21PM (346 days ago) @Liz

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


Hope and Thomas might not hook up in Italy but Liam will overhear or see something that will make him walk away from Hope.


Maybe. But that doesn't mean they can't reunite.


Yes. Doesn't mean they can't reunite. But, the twists and turns better be fun.

I'm looking forward to see what happens in Italy. I think it will get dicey.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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PatriotGirl @, 5/26/2023, 10:54PM (346 days ago) @Drangonfly- one person liked this

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.

I can't think of a more boring end for this s/l than that. :sleep :sleep If that's the case just send her over to the Hallmark Channel. That's where the character belongs..

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Drangonfly @, 5/26/2023, 11:00PM (346 days ago) @PatriotGirl

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


I can't think of a more boring end for this s/l than that. :sleep :sleep If that's the case just send her over to the Hallmark Channel. That's where the character belongs..

They had Hope actually marry Thomas and they never hooked up and that story had plenty of drama.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

PatriotGirl @, 5/26/2023, 11:28PM (346 days ago) @Drangonfly

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


I can't think of a more boring end for this s/l than that. :sleep :sleep If that's the case just send her over to the Hallmark Channel. That's where the character belongs..


They had Hope actually marry Thomas and they never hooked up and that story had plenty of drama.

This is a totally different type of story. The marriage was a farce from the get go that was never going to go anywhere . And she's not nuts this time because she's grieving a dead child. She has no excuse now, she's a married woman who has the hots for another man and is lying to her husband everyday.

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Drangonfly @, 5/26/2023, 11:42PM (346 days ago) @PatriotGirl

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


I can't think of a more boring end for this s/l than that. :sleep :sleep If that's the case just send her over to the Hallmark Channel. That's where the character belongs..


They had Hope actually marry Thomas and they never hooked up and that story had plenty of drama.


This is a totally different type of story. The marriage was a farce from the get go that was never going to go anywhere . And she's not nuts this time because she's grieving a dead child. She has no excuse now, she's a married woman who has the hots for another man and is lying to her husband everyday.

There's plenty of drama already in this story.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

matisse, 5/27/2023, 12:52AM (346 days ago) @PatriotGirl

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


I can't think of a more boring end for this s/l than that. :sleep :sleep If that's the case just send her over to the Hallmark Channel. That's where the character belongs..


They had Hope actually marry Thomas and they never hooked up and that story had plenty of drama.


This is a totally different type of story. The marriage was a farce from the get go that was never going to go anywhere . And she's not nuts this time because she's grieving a dead child. She has no excuse now, she's a married woman who has the hots for another man and is lying to her husband everyday.

She also has the hots for her husband so what will happen if she does end up with Tom? Will she then be imagining Liam's great body while doing Tom" Will she be cosmically drawn to Liam when they are sharing time with Beth? Will Tom get whacked out again with jealousy if Lope have family dinners together at Brooke's and they all spend the night? Why is everyone assuming that if she ends up diddling Tom, she will not also be thinking about Liam? She was pretty emphatic today at the end of the show....she is in love with Liam and her heart does belong to Liam....not saying she is not torn, but I think she was telling the truth to Liam about he is her heart. Tom is the creative genius that keeps her work baby alive, Liam is her heart.

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Barbybo, 5/28/2023, 11:37AM (344 days ago) @PatriotGirl

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


I can't think of a more boring end for this s/l than that. :sleep :sleep If that's the case just send her over to the Hallmark Channel. That's where the character belongs..


They had Hope actually marry Thomas and they never hooked up and that story had plenty of drama.


This is a totally different type of story. The marriage was a farce from the get go that was never going to go anywhere . And she's not nuts this time because she's grieving a dead child. She has no excuse now, she's a married woman who has the hots for another man and is lying to her husband everyday.

Little ms perfect is in love with tommy how amuseing if Liam gets dumped:lol

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harper1, 5/26/2023, 11:04PM (346 days ago) @PatriotGirl

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


I can't think of a more boring end for this s/l than that. :sleep :sleep If that's the case just send her over to the Hallmark Channel. That's where the character belongs..

Agree and then they can go back to the backburner for a couple more years. Again.

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PatriotGirl @, 5/26/2023, 11:30PM (346 days ago) @harper1

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


I can't think of a more boring end for this s/l than that. :sleep :sleep If that's the case just send her over to the Hallmark Channel. That's where the character belongs..


Agree and then they can go back to the backburner for a couple more years. Again.

:cool Works for me.

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Barbybo, 5/28/2023, 11:38AM (344 days ago) @harper1

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


I can't think of a more boring end for this s/l than that. :sleep :sleep If that's the case just send her over to the Hallmark Channel. That's where the character belongs..


Agree and then they can go back to the backburner for a couple more years. Again.

Lope is drop,dead dull at least Tom adds excitement …..she ends up with goofy Liam again yuck

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GLFan, 5/27/2023, 12:05AM (346 days ago) @PatriotGirl

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


I can't think of a more boring end for this s/l than that. :sleep :sleep If that's the case just send her over to the Hallmark Channel. That's where the character belongs..

TBH it wouldn’t surprise me in the least. It’s a way to give Lope a storyline while taking advantage of Thope’s chemistry, aka just another tease.

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Drangonfly @, 5/27/2023, 12:17AM (346 days ago) @GLFan

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


I can't think of a more boring end for this s/l than that. :sleep :sleep If that's the case just send her over to the Hallmark Channel. That's where the character belongs..


TBH it wouldn’t surprise me in the least. It’s a way to give Lope a storyline while taking advantage of Thope’s chemistry, aka just another tease.

It's one of many possible outcomes. No more or less plausible than others. And you're right. It could be another tease.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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matisse, 5/27/2023, 1:02AM (346 days ago) @GLFan

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


I can't think of a more boring end for this s/l than that. :sleep :sleep If that's the case just send her over to the Hallmark Channel. That's where the character belongs..


TBH it wouldn’t surprise me in the least. It’s a way to give Lope a storyline while taking advantage of Thope’s chemistry, aka just another tease.

After seeing the show today....they do not need any Thope chemistry to put them across, they were off the charts charged. The scene was great and full of chemistry and angst. It made the Thope scenes look absolutely juvenile and boring with the teenage praising...."you are more wonderful, no you are, no you are, no (tee-hee) you are....oh but I am so amazed at how you managed to walk and chew gum today....no I was more amazed....oh my....I am just so exhausted from praising your amazing changes today....we are going to have to work all night again so we can meet our deadline on our 12th fashion preview this year" LOL

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GLFan, 5/27/2023, 7:54AM (345 days ago) @matisse

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


I can't think of a more boring end for this s/l than that. :sleep :sleep If that's the case just send her over to the Hallmark Channel. That's where the character belongs..


TBH it wouldn’t surprise me in the least. It’s a way to give Lope a storyline while taking advantage of Thope’s chemistry, aka just another tease.


After seeing the show today....they do not need any Thope chemistry to put them across, they were off the charts charged. The scene was great and full of chemistry and angst. It made the Thope scenes look absolutely juvenile and boring with the teenage praising...."you are more wonderful, no you are, no you are, no (tee-hee) you are....oh but I am so amazed at how you managed to walk and chew gum today....no I was more amazed....oh my....I am just so exhausted from praising your amazing changes today....we are going to have to work all night again so we can meet our deadline on our 12th fashion preview this year" LOL

Agreed. So we need to have Lope arguing about Thope or something else on the daily to keep them from putting us (or at least me) to sleep? :lol

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hopeyougogirl, 5/27/2023, 1:57AM (346 days ago) @PatriotGirl

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


I can't think of a more boring end for this s/l than that. :sleep :sleep If that's the case just send her over to the Hallmark Channel. That's where the character belongs..

Just because a character does the right thing in the end doesn't make it boring. Look at Finn? He didn't walk away from Steffy despite her cheating on him..he forgave her and married her because she was carrying his child. So, does that mean the Finn character should be sent over to the Hallmark Channel that's where he belongs?:rules

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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Vik., 5/26/2023, 11:07PM (346 days ago) @Drangonfly

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.

Meh. Bell can always backpedal from the narrative he wrote in his SOD previews and throw a last-minute rewrite as a desperate attempt to redeem Hope, but it won't work for this viewer. Too late, Bell. The damage is done. I know what I saw. No brain tumor, psychological breakdown or mental illness (or whatever silly excuse Bell comes up with) can make a human being crave for another man and provoke an emotional affair. If Bell gives her some health issue to redeem her then I understimated his laziness. Doing the right thing in the end? Hope hasn't done the right thing. Her first Thomas flashbacks were over 2 months ago by now, and she has done all the wrong things. She lies, she gaslights, she waffles, she deflects, she lies again, she keeps secrets, she blames other people from her feelings, she is passive and keeps giving Thomas opportunities to make the first move. She hasn't made a single good decision to fight these feelings. She flirts, she fantasizes, she seduces, she daydreams, she caresses his hands, she gazes into his eyes, she falls on him and doesn't push him away, she asks back massages, she stares at his lips and his eyes, she travels with him alone, she has dinners with him, she models sexy dresses for him, and she daydreams again and again and again, she tells him and Brooke she has feelings for him but then retracts and lies again. I like AN and I don't blame Hope for having feelings, but I give Hope a big fat 0 for the way she's handled it. Doesn't mean I support Thomas and Steffy either, obviously. He is also having inappropriate thoughts and Steff'y hypocrisy is well known for me. I don't root for them either, but they aren't responsible for Hope's behavior.

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Drangonfly @, 5/26/2023, 11:19PM (346 days ago) @Vik.

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


Meh. Bell can always backpedal from the narrative he wrote in his SOD previews and throw a last-minute rewrite as a desperate attempt to redeem Hope, but it won't work for this viewer. Too late, Bell. The damage is done. I know what I saw. No brain tumor, psychological breakdown or mental illness (or whatever silly excuse Bell comes up with) can make a human being crave for another man and provoke an emotional affair. If Bell gives her some health issue to redeem her then I understimated his laziness. Doing the right thing in the end? Hope hasn't done the right thing. Her first Thomas flashbacks were over 2 months ago by now, and she has done all the wrong things. She lies, she gaslights, she waffles, she deflects, she lies again, she keeps secrets, she blames other people from her feelings, she is passive and keeps giving Thomas opportunities to make the first move. She hasn't made a single good decision to fight these feelings. She flirts, she fantasizes, she seduces, she daydreams, she caresses his hands, she gazes into his eyes, she falls on him and doesn't push him away, she asks back massages, she stares at his lips and his eyes, she travels with him alone, she has dinners with him, she models sexy dresses for him, and she daydreams again and again and again, she tells him and Brooke she has feelings for him but then retracts and lies again. I like AN and I don't blame Hope for having feelings, but I give Hope a big fat 0 for the way she's handled it. Doesn't mean I support Thomas and Steffy either, obviously. He is also having inappropriate thoughts and Steff'y hypocrisy is well known for me. I don't root for them either, but they aren't responsible for Hope's behavior.

I don't worry about "behavior". I don't need Hope to be perfect. Don't we want soap characters to mess up? Otherwise where's the story? But you make it sound like Hope is the devil when, really, all she's done is have thoughts she can't control. She hasn't even acted on them.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

theduchess, 5/26/2023, 11:16PM (346 days ago) @Drangonfly

the right thing for who though? for hope? because for liam the damage may have already been done by then
1. she has feelings for the man that kept their daughter from them (liam hasn't forgotten this)
2. she did nothing to mitigate or stop them from growing
3. she lied to him repeatedly about it when he asked

i'm not sure a hook up matters at all, if hope allows liam to find out about these feelings some other way, the fallout will still be bad

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If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Drangonfly @, 5/26/2023, 11:26PM (346 days ago) @theduchess

the right thing for who though? for hope? because for liam the damage may have already been done by then
1. she has feelings for the man that kept their daughter from them (liam hasn't forgotten this)
2. she did nothing to mitigate or stop them from growing
3. she lied to him repeatedly about it when he asked

i'm not sure a hook up matters at all, if hope allows liam to find out about these feelings some other way, the fallout will still be bad

It was predicted there would be fallout when she married Thomas. And when she adopted Douglas. It's always turned out that it was just angst.

There was fallout when Liam cheated on her in the mannequin story. They got past that. I don't think this will be the end of Lope. Even if Hope does hook up with Thomas.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

CaptainHook, 5/27/2023, 12:39AM (346 days ago) @theduchess

Yup great post, she is a lying liar who lies and who almost got caught in her lying lies so she lied again, and will continue to be a lying liar who lies until she gets caught

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

rain4 @, 5/26/2023, 11:39PM (346 days ago) @Drangonfly- one person liked this

Love AN, but no, no and no. Like I have said in another thread, I will always root for Liam and for Hope but I am done with Lope for good. Like, for good this time. Definitely. There is no coming back. It's not just because of Thomas, the ONS in 2020 is still too hard to swallow. Most former Lope fans I know feel the same way. There may still be a few ones but the whole fandom has been burnt to ashes, imo. What does Bell expect? He can't throw the characters under the bus in such degrading, humiliating proportions and still expect the average audience to like the pairing. The fact that Hope keeps bringing up Leffy's ONS over and over and over shows Bell still sees it as a major factor. She hasn't forgiven him at all.

This isn't Lope from the 2010s anymore. These days are long gone. The actress has changed, the chemistry isn't the same. They have grown apart. The stories have changed a lot too. There was a huge shift after they got Beth back. I still rooted for them back then (even if Hope marrying Thomas was hard to accept) but the narrative isn't the same since then. The old days when everyone was manipulating Lope are long gone. Liam was a married man who bedded an unavailable woman and stated he didn't regret it. Unforgivable. No manipulations (Steffy looked even worse than Liam for that but that's another topic) to excuse him. No one kept informations from him or manipulated. He sex-cheated on Hope in a way Ridge never cheated on Brooke in 36 years. I will never forgive Bell for doing this to his character. What's happening now is not different. In 36 years Brooke made a lot of mistakes but she never treated Ridge this way. As much as I'd like to blame Steffy and Thomas for this mess, they haven't done anything. No lies, no secrets, no agenda or manipulations from them, it's all Hope. She is emotionally cheating and lying about what's on her mind, and the only person to blame is herself, just like the only person to blame for the ONS was Liam. Star-crossed lovers are pulled apart by external manipulations, it hasn't been the case since 2019 for Lope. Bridge were torn apart by manipulations (Sheila, Quinn, Shauna, Bill, Thomas) so I still root for Bridge (and Deric), Lope are not. This is done. They are 100% responsible for the misery they put themselves in, and Bell needs to put them out of this misery. Hope had Thomas on her mind while she was sexing up Liam, eww. I will never be able to get that image out of my head, and Liam shouldn't either. It will take a lot more than a mental breakdown or an illness to make me change my mind. Time to stick a fork in this relationship and allow the 2 characters to move on. Annika and Scott are too good to play these cheating stories. Liam deserves a new fresh healthy relationship with a woman who doesn't have a child, a job and feelings for Thomas. And whatever happens to Hope, she also deserves something new. Let her be single for a while and enjoy her career and spend more time with her children. I will still see her as a good person but I can never take her love for Liam seriously again.

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If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Drangonfly @, 5/26/2023, 11:44PM (346 days ago) @rain4

Love AN, but no, no and no. Like I have said in another thread, I will always root for Liam and for Hope but I am done with Lope for good. Like, for good this time. Definitely. There is no coming back. It's not just because of Thomas, the ONS in 2020 is still too hard to swallow. Most former Lope fans I know feel the same way. There may still be a few ones but the whole fandom has been burnt to ashes, imo. What does Bell expect? He can't throw the characters under the bus in such degrading, humiliating proportions and still expect the average audience to like the pairing. The fact that Hope keeps bringing up Leffy's ONS over and over and over shows Bell still sees it as a major factor. She hasn't forgiven him at all.

This isn't Lope from the 2010s anymore. These days are long gone. The actress has changed, the chemistry isn't the same. They have grown apart. The stories have changed a lot too. There was a huge shift after they got Beth back. I still rooted for them back then (even if Hope marrying Thomas was hard to accept) but the narrative isn't the same since then. The old days when everyone was manipulating Lope are long gone. Liam was a married man who bedded an unavailable woman and stated he didn't regret it. Unforgivable. No manipulations (Steffy looked even worse than Liam for that but that's another topic) to excuse him. No one kept informations from him or manipulated. He sex-cheated on Hope in a way Ridge never cheated on Brooke in 36 years. I will never forgive Bell for doing this to his character. What's happening now is not different. In 36 years Brooke made a lot of mistakes but she never treated Ridge this way. As much as I'd like to blame Steffy and Thomas for this mess, they haven't done anything. No lies, no secrets, no agenda or manipulations from them, it's all Hope. She is emotionally cheating and lying about what's on her mind, and the only person to blame is herself, just like the only person to blame for the ONS was Liam. Star-crossed lovers are pulled apart by external manipulations, it hasn't been the case since 2019 for Lope. Bridge were torn apart by manipulations (Sheila, Quinn, Shauna, Bill, Thomas) so I still root for Bridge (and Deric), Lope are not. This is done. They are 100% responsible for the misery they put themselves in, and Bell needs to put them out of this misery. Hope had Thomas on her mind while she was sexing up Liam, eww. I will never be able to get that image out of my head, and Liam shouldn't either. It will take a lot more than a mental breakdown or an illness to make me change my mind. Time to stick a fork in this relationship and allow the 2 characters to move on. Annika and Scott are too good to play these cheating stories. Liam deserves a new fresh healthy relationship with a woman who doesn't have a child, a job and feelings for Thomas. And whatever happens to Hope, she also deserves something new. Let her be single for a while and enjoy her career and spend more time with her children. I will still see her as a good person but I can never take her love for Liam seriously again.

Liam straight up banged Steffy on her couch and it didn't end Lope.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Windigstadt, 5/27/2023, 12:21AM (346 days ago) @rain4

I feel the same way, generally. They were my favorite Couple, for a very long Time. My View has changed a lot, since the Return of Thomas. Her has caused, too much Damages, and she always forgives, everything. I lost Hope, for good, when she had the Fantasies, and still continued to work, with Thomas, knowing about her Feelings. It proves, her Marriage is never been, her Priority. Liam needs to file a Divorce, and move on. I will still like the 2 Characters, but no longer the Couple. I look forward, for the new Stories, with Ridge Junior.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

hopeyougogirl, 5/27/2023, 3:57AM (346 days ago) @rain4- one person liked this
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Love AN, but no, no and no. Like I have said in another thread, I will always root for Liam and for Hope but I am done with Lope for good. Like, for good this time. Definitely. There is no coming back. It's not just because of Thomas, the ONS in 2020 is still too hard to swallow. Most former Lope fans I know feel the same way. There may still be a few ones but the whole fandom has been burnt to ashes, imo. What does Bell expect? He can't throw the characters under the bus in such degrading, humiliating proportions and still expect the average audience to like the pairing. The fact that Hope keeps bringing up Leffy's ONS over and over and over shows Bell still sees it as a major factor. She hasn't forgiven him at all.

This isn't Lope from the 2010s anymore. These days are long gone. The actress has changed, the chemistry isn't the same. They have grown apart. The stories have changed a lot too. There was a huge shift after they got Beth back. I still rooted for them back then (even if Hope marrying Thomas was hard to accept) but the narrative isn't the same since then. The old days when everyone was manipulating Lope are long gone. Liam was a married man who bedded an unavailable woman and stated he didn't regret it. Unforgivable. No manipulations (Steffy looked even worse than Liam for that but that's another topic) to excuse him. No one kept informations from him or manipulated. He sex-cheated on Hope in a way Ridge never cheated on Brooke in 36 years. I will never forgive Bell for doing this to his character. What's happening now is not different. In 36 years Brooke made a lot of mistakes but she never treated Ridge this way. As much as I'd like to blame Steffy and Thomas for this mess, they haven't done anything. No lies, no secrets, no agenda or manipulations from them, it's all Hope. She is emotionally cheating and lying about what's on her mind, and the only person to blame is herself, just like the only person to blame for the ONS was Liam. Star-crossed lovers are pulled apart by external manipulations, it hasn't been the case since 2019 for Lope. Bridge were torn apart by manipulations (Sheila, Quinn, Shauna, Bill, Thomas) so I still root for Bridge (and Deric), Lope are not. This is done. They are 100% responsible for the misery they put themselves in, and Bell needs to put them out of this misery. Hope had Thomas on her mind while she was sexing up Liam, eww. I will never be able to get that image out of my head, and Liam shouldn't either. It will take a lot more than a mental breakdown or an illness to make me change my mind. Time to stick a fork in this relationship and allow the 2 characters to move on. Annika and Scott are too good to play these cheating stories. Liam deserves a new fresh healthy relationship with a woman who doesn't have a child, a job and feelings for Thomas. And whatever happens to Hope, she also deserves something new. Let her be single for a while and enjoy her career and spend more time with her children. I will still see her as a good person but I can never take her love for Liam seriously again.

Nah..Lope will never be done for good..just like Bridge will never be done for good..these 2 are Bell's endgame couples. It's a soap and all married couples will have issues, otherwise there would be no drama. LOL. And I love the chemistry between AN and SC as Lope far better than the previous version. IMO.

And if Bridge can have DECADES of break up make up break up make up break up make up, yet still being rooted for. I don't see why not Lope?!?!:neutral

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

GLFan, 5/27/2023, 8:07AM (345 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

Love AN, but no, no and no. Like I have said in another thread, I will always root for Liam and for Hope but I am done with Lope for good. Like, for good this time. Definitely. There is no coming back. It's not just because of Thomas, the ONS in 2020 is still too hard to swallow. Most former Lope fans I know feel the same way. There may still be a few ones but the whole fandom has been burnt to ashes, imo. What does Bell expect? He can't throw the characters under the bus in such degrading, humiliating proportions and still expect the average audience to like the pairing. The fact that Hope keeps bringing up Leffy's ONS over and over and over shows Bell still sees it as a major factor. She hasn't forgiven him at all.

This isn't Lope from the 2010s anymore. These days are long gone. The actress has changed, the chemistry isn't the same. They have grown apart. The stories have changed a lot too. There was a huge shift after they got Beth back. I still rooted for them back then (even if Hope marrying Thomas was hard to accept) but the narrative isn't the same since then. The old days when everyone was manipulating Lope are long gone. Liam was a married man who bedded an unavailable woman and stated he didn't regret it. Unforgivable. No manipulations (Steffy looked even worse than Liam for that but that's another topic) to excuse him. No one kept informations from him or manipulated. He sex-cheated on Hope in a way Ridge never cheated on Brooke in 36 years. I will never forgive Bell for doing this to his character. What's happening now is not different. In 36 years Brooke made a lot of mistakes but she never treated Ridge this way. As much as I'd like to blame Steffy and Thomas for this mess, they haven't done anything. No lies, no secrets, no agenda or manipulations from them, it's all Hope. She is emotionally cheating and lying about what's on her mind, and the only person to blame is herself, just like the only person to blame for the ONS was Liam. Star-crossed lovers are pulled apart by external manipulations, it hasn't been the case since 2019 for Lope. Bridge were torn apart by manipulations (Sheila, Quinn, Shauna, Bill, Thomas) so I still root for Bridge (and Deric), Lope are not. This is done. They are 100% responsible for the misery they put themselves in, and Bell needs to put them out of this misery. Hope had Thomas on her mind while she was sexing up Liam, eww. I will never be able to get that image out of my head, and Liam shouldn't either. It will take a lot more than a mental breakdown or an illness to make me change my mind. Time to stick a fork in this relationship and allow the 2 characters to move on. Annika and Scott are too good to play these cheating stories. Liam deserves a new fresh healthy relationship with a woman who doesn't have a child, a job and feelings for Thomas. And whatever happens to Hope, she also deserves something new. Let her be single for a while and enjoy her career and spend more time with her children. I will still see her as a good person but I can never take her love for Liam seriously again.


Nah..Lope will never be done for good..just like Bridge will never be done for good..these 2 are Bell's endgame couples. It's a soap and all married couples will have issues, otherwise there would be no drama. LOL. And I love the chemistry between AN and SC as Lope far better than the previous version. IMO.

And if Bridge can have DECADES of break up make up break up make up break up make up, yet still being rooted for. I don't see why not Lope?!?!:neutral

I don’t consider predetermined endgame couples to be a good thing at all. To me that’s what makes the show boring as H***. I’ve watched since day 1 so it saddens me to say this but it’s gotten so predictable that it’s just become a chore to plod through the storylines. It’s like the writers just sit there asking what different roads can we take this time to get to the same destination. I don’t want to go to the same destination everytime.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

hopeyougogirl, 5/27/2023, 12:50PM (345 days ago) @GLFan

Love AN, but no, no and no. Like I have said in another thread, I will always root for Liam and for Hope but I am done with Lope for good. Like, for good this time. Definitely. There is no coming back. It's not just because of Thomas, the ONS in 2020 is still too hard to swallow. Most former Lope fans I know feel the same way. There may still be a few ones but the whole fandom has been burnt to ashes, imo. What does Bell expect? He can't throw the characters under the bus in such degrading, humiliating proportions and still expect the average audience to like the pairing. The fact that Hope keeps bringing up Leffy's ONS over and over and over shows Bell still sees it as a major factor. She hasn't forgiven him at all.

This isn't Lope from the 2010s anymore. These days are long gone. The actress has changed, the chemistry isn't the same. They have grown apart. The stories have changed a lot too. There was a huge shift after they got Beth back. I still rooted for them back then (even if Hope marrying Thomas was hard to accept) but the narrative isn't the same since then. The old days when everyone was manipulating Lope are long gone. Liam was a married man who bedded an unavailable woman and stated he didn't regret it. Unforgivable. No manipulations (Steffy looked even worse than Liam for that but that's another topic) to excuse him. No one kept informations from him or manipulated. He sex-cheated on Hope in a way Ridge never cheated on Brooke in 36 years. I will never forgive Bell for doing this to his character. What's happening now is not different. In 36 years Brooke made a lot of mistakes but she never treated Ridge this way. As much as I'd like to blame Steffy and Thomas for this mess, they haven't done anything. No lies, no secrets, no agenda or manipulations from them, it's all Hope. She is emotionally cheating and lying about what's on her mind, and the only person to blame is herself, just like the only person to blame for the ONS was Liam. Star-crossed lovers are pulled apart by external manipulations, it hasn't been the case since 2019 for Lope. Bridge were torn apart by manipulations (Sheila, Quinn, Shauna, Bill, Thomas) so I still root for Bridge (and Deric), Lope are not. This is done. They are 100% responsible for the misery they put themselves in, and Bell needs to put them out of this misery. Hope had Thomas on her mind while she was sexing up Liam, eww. I will never be able to get that image out of my head, and Liam shouldn't either. It will take a lot more than a mental breakdown or an illness to make me change my mind. Time to stick a fork in this relationship and allow the 2 characters to move on. Annika and Scott are too good to play these cheating stories. Liam deserves a new fresh healthy relationship with a woman who doesn't have a child, a job and feelings for Thomas. And whatever happens to Hope, she also deserves something new. Let her be single for a while and enjoy her career and spend more time with her children. I will still see her as a good person but I can never take her love for Liam seriously again.


Nah..Lope will never be done for good..just like Bridge will never be done for good..these 2 are Bell's endgame couples. It's a soap and all married couples will have issues, otherwise there would be no drama. LOL. And I love the chemistry between AN and SC as Lope far better than the previous version. IMO.

And if Bridge can have DECADES of break up make up break up make up break up make up, yet still being rooted for. I don't see why not Lope?!?!:neutral


I don’t consider predetermined endgame couples to be a good thing at all. To me that’s what makes the show boring as H***. I’ve watched since day 1 so it saddens me to say this but it’s gotten so predictable that it’s just become a chore to plod through the storylines. It’s like the writers just sit there asking what different roads can we take this time to get to the same destination. I don’t want to go to the same destination everytime.

For me, I don't find it boring because the drama is in how a married couple deal with major issues then overcoming it in the end and..yes, separations sometimes is a good thing because in the end the couple learn or realizes their love is stronger and is what brings them back together.

I get what you are saying, but at the same time..if all the couples just break up then immediately hook up with someone else..that gets boring too because nobody learns how to navigate a true marriage/relationship because they just quit and move on. Also, it's hard for this viewer to invest a short-term couple knowing hard time hits they just hit the road and it's over.

Sinn for example..for folks who like them, I'm sure if hard time hits, their fans will want them to overcome issues since they have a child together..instead of just up and quit. Just my opinion, of course.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Drangonfly @, 5/27/2023, 1:06PM (345 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

Love AN, but no, no and no. Like I have said in another thread, I will always root for Liam and for Hope but I am done with Lope for good. Like, for good this time. Definitely. There is no coming back. It's not just because of Thomas, the ONS in 2020 is still too hard to swallow. Most former Lope fans I know feel the same way. There may still be a few ones but the whole fandom has been burnt to ashes, imo. What does Bell expect? He can't throw the characters under the bus in such degrading, humiliating proportions and still expect the average audience to like the pairing. The fact that Hope keeps bringing up Leffy's ONS over and over and over shows Bell still sees it as a major factor. She hasn't forgiven him at all.

This isn't Lope from the 2010s anymore. These days are long gone. The actress has changed, the chemistry isn't the same. They have grown apart. The stories have changed a lot too. There was a huge shift after they got Beth back. I still rooted for them back then (even if Hope marrying Thomas was hard to accept) but the narrative isn't the same since then. The old days when everyone was manipulating Lope are long gone. Liam was a married man who bedded an unavailable woman and stated he didn't regret it. Unforgivable. No manipulations (Steffy looked even worse than Liam for that but that's another topic) to excuse him. No one kept informations from him or manipulated. He sex-cheated on Hope in a way Ridge never cheated on Brooke in 36 years. I will never forgive Bell for doing this to his character. What's happening now is not different. In 36 years Brooke made a lot of mistakes but she never treated Ridge this way. As much as I'd like to blame Steffy and Thomas for this mess, they haven't done anything. No lies, no secrets, no agenda or manipulations from them, it's all Hope. She is emotionally cheating and lying about what's on her mind, and the only person to blame is herself, just like the only person to blame for the ONS was Liam. Star-crossed lovers are pulled apart by external manipulations, it hasn't been the case since 2019 for Lope. Bridge were torn apart by manipulations (Sheila, Quinn, Shauna, Bill, Thomas) so I still root for Bridge (and Deric), Lope are not. This is done. They are 100% responsible for the misery they put themselves in, and Bell needs to put them out of this misery. Hope had Thomas on her mind while she was sexing up Liam, eww. I will never be able to get that image out of my head, and Liam shouldn't either. It will take a lot more than a mental breakdown or an illness to make me change my mind. Time to stick a fork in this relationship and allow the 2 characters to move on. Annika and Scott are too good to play these cheating stories. Liam deserves a new fresh healthy relationship with a woman who doesn't have a child, a job and feelings for Thomas. And whatever happens to Hope, she also deserves something new. Let her be single for a while and enjoy her career and spend more time with her children. I will still see her as a good person but I can never take her love for Liam seriously again.


Nah..Lope will never be done for good..just like Bridge will never be done for good..these 2 are Bell's endgame couples. It's a soap and all married couples will have issues, otherwise there would be no drama. LOL. And I love the chemistry between AN and SC as Lope far better than the previous version. IMO.

And if Bridge can have DECADES of break up make up break up make up break up make up, yet still being rooted for. I don't see why not Lope?!?!:neutral


I don’t consider predetermined endgame couples to be a good thing at all. To me that’s what makes the show boring as H***. I’ve watched since day 1 so it saddens me to say this but it’s gotten so predictable that it’s just become a chore to plod through the storylines. It’s like the writers just sit there asking what different roads can we take this time to get to the same destination. I don’t want to go to the same destination everytime.


For me, I don't find it boring because the drama is in how a married couple deal with major issues then overcoming it in the end and..yes, separations sometimes is a good thing because in the end the couple learn or realizes their love is stronger and is what brings them back together.

I get what you are saying, but at the same time..if all the couples just break up then immediately hook up with someone else..that gets boring too because nobody learns how to navigate a true marriage/relationship because they just quit and move on. Also, it's hard for this viewer to invest a short-term couple knowing hard time hits they just hit the road and it's over.

Sinn for example..for folks who like them, I'm sure if hard time hits, their fans will want them to overcome issues since they have a child together..instead of just up and quit. Just my opinion, of course.

Totally agree. I remember when lots of viewers were clamoring for something other than triangles and wanted couples to stay together and have stories that involved them overcoming obstacles together.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

hopeyougogirl, 5/27/2023, 1:26PM (345 days ago) @Drangonfly

Love AN, but no, no and no. Like I have said in another thread, I will always root for Liam and for Hope but I am done with Lope for good. Like, for good this time. Definitely. There is no coming back. It's not just because of Thomas, the ONS in 2020 is still too hard to swallow. Most former Lope fans I know feel the same way. There may still be a few ones but the whole fandom has been burnt to ashes, imo. What does Bell expect? He can't throw the characters under the bus in such degrading, humiliating proportions and still expect the average audience to like the pairing. The fact that Hope keeps bringing up Leffy's ONS over and over and over shows Bell still sees it as a major factor. She hasn't forgiven him at all.

This isn't Lope from the 2010s anymore. These days are long gone. The actress has changed, the chemistry isn't the same. They have grown apart. The stories have changed a lot too. There was a huge shift after they got Beth back. I still rooted for them back then (even if Hope marrying Thomas was hard to accept) but the narrative isn't the same since then. The old days when everyone was manipulating Lope are long gone. Liam was a married man who bedded an unavailable woman and stated he didn't regret it. Unforgivable. No manipulations (Steffy looked even worse than Liam for that but that's another topic) to excuse him. No one kept informations from him or manipulated. He sex-cheated on Hope in a way Ridge never cheated on Brooke in 36 years. I will never forgive Bell for doing this to his character. What's happening now is not different. In 36 years Brooke made a lot of mistakes but she never treated Ridge this way. As much as I'd like to blame Steffy and Thomas for this mess, they haven't done anything. No lies, no secrets, no agenda or manipulations from them, it's all Hope. She is emotionally cheating and lying about what's on her mind, and the only person to blame is herself, just like the only person to blame for the ONS was Liam. Star-crossed lovers are pulled apart by external manipulations, it hasn't been the case since 2019 for Lope. Bridge were torn apart by manipulations (Sheila, Quinn, Shauna, Bill, Thomas) so I still root for Bridge (and Deric), Lope are not. This is done. They are 100% responsible for the misery they put themselves in, and Bell needs to put them out of this misery. Hope had Thomas on her mind while she was sexing up Liam, eww. I will never be able to get that image out of my head, and Liam shouldn't either. It will take a lot more than a mental breakdown or an illness to make me change my mind. Time to stick a fork in this relationship and allow the 2 characters to move on. Annika and Scott are too good to play these cheating stories. Liam deserves a new fresh healthy relationship with a woman who doesn't have a child, a job and feelings for Thomas. And whatever happens to Hope, she also deserves something new. Let her be single for a while and enjoy her career and spend more time with her children. I will still see her as a good person but I can never take her love for Liam seriously again.


Nah..Lope will never be done for good..just like Bridge will never be done for good..these 2 are Bell's endgame couples. It's a soap and all married couples will have issues, otherwise there would be no drama. LOL. And I love the chemistry between AN and SC as Lope far better than the previous version. IMO.

And if Bridge can have DECADES of break up make up break up make up break up make up, yet still being rooted for. I don't see why not Lope?!?!:neutral


I don’t consider predetermined endgame couples to be a good thing at all. To me that’s what makes the show boring as H***. I’ve watched since day 1 so it saddens me to say this but it’s gotten so predictable that it’s just become a chore to plod through the storylines. It’s like the writers just sit there asking what different roads can we take this time to get to the same destination. I don’t want to go to the same destination everytime.


For me, I don't find it boring because the drama is in how a married couple deal with major issues then overcoming it in the end and..yes, separations sometimes is a good thing because in the end the couple learn or realizes their love is stronger and is what brings them back together.

I get what you are saying, but at the same time..if all the couples just break up then immediately hook up with someone else..that gets boring too because nobody learns how to navigate a true marriage/relationship because they just quit and move on. Also, it's hard for this viewer to invest a short-term couple knowing hard time hits they just hit the road and it's over.

Sinn for example..for folks who like them, I'm sure if hard time hits, their fans will want them to overcome issues since they have a child together..instead of just up and quit. Just my opinion, of course.


Totally agree. I remember when lots of viewers were clamoring for something other than triangles and wanted couples to stay together and have stories that involved them overcoming obstacles together.

Yep, I do remember many posts talked about how easily a couple married then a few months DTR divorced..nobody tried to work things out etc. But now it's the opposite?

--
Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

GLFan, 5/27/2023, 3:21PM (345 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

Love AN, but no, no and no. Like I have said in another thread, I will always root for Liam and for Hope but I am done with Lope for good. Like, for good this time. Definitely. There is no coming back. It's not just because of Thomas, the ONS in 2020 is still too hard to swallow. Most former Lope fans I know feel the same way. There may still be a few ones but the whole fandom has been burnt to ashes, imo. What does Bell expect? He can't throw the characters under the bus in such degrading, humiliating proportions and still expect the average audience to like the pairing. The fact that Hope keeps bringing up Leffy's ONS over and over and over shows Bell still sees it as a major factor. She hasn't forgiven him at all.

This isn't Lope from the 2010s anymore. These days are long gone. The actress has changed, the chemistry isn't the same. They have grown apart. The stories have changed a lot too. There was a huge shift after they got Beth back. I still rooted for them back then (even if Hope marrying Thomas was hard to accept) but the narrative isn't the same since then. The old days when everyone was manipulating Lope are long gone. Liam was a married man who bedded an unavailable woman and stated he didn't regret it. Unforgivable. No manipulations (Steffy looked even worse than Liam for that but that's another topic) to excuse him. No one kept informations from him or manipulated. He sex-cheated on Hope in a way Ridge never cheated on Brooke in 36 years. I will never forgive Bell for doing this to his character. What's happening now is not different. In 36 years Brooke made a lot of mistakes but she never treated Ridge this way. As much as I'd like to blame Steffy and Thomas for this mess, they haven't done anything. No lies, no secrets, no agenda or manipulations from them, it's all Hope. She is emotionally cheating and lying about what's on her mind, and the only person to blame is herself, just like the only person to blame for the ONS was Liam. Star-crossed lovers are pulled apart by external manipulations, it hasn't been the case since 2019 for Lope. Bridge were torn apart by manipulations (Sheila, Quinn, Shauna, Bill, Thomas) so I still root for Bridge (and Deric), Lope are not. This is done. They are 100% responsible for the misery they put themselves in, and Bell needs to put them out of this misery. Hope had Thomas on her mind while she was sexing up Liam, eww. I will never be able to get that image out of my head, and Liam shouldn't either. It will take a lot more than a mental breakdown or an illness to make me change my mind. Time to stick a fork in this relationship and allow the 2 characters to move on. Annika and Scott are too good to play these cheating stories. Liam deserves a new fresh healthy relationship with a woman who doesn't have a child, a job and feelings for Thomas. And whatever happens to Hope, she also deserves something new. Let her be single for a while and enjoy her career and spend more time with her children. I will still see her as a good person but I can never take her love for Liam seriously again.


Nah..Lope will never be done for good..just like Bridge will never be done for good..these 2 are Bell's endgame couples. It's a soap and all married couples will have issues, otherwise there would be no drama. LOL. And I love the chemistry between AN and SC as Lope far better than the previous version. IMO.

And if Bridge can have DECADES of break up make up break up make up break up make up, yet still being rooted for. I don't see why not Lope?!?!:neutral


I don’t consider predetermined endgame couples to be a good thing at all. To me that’s what makes the show boring as H***. I’ve watched since day 1 so it saddens me to say this but it’s gotten so predictable that it’s just become a chore to plod through the storylines. It’s like the writers just sit there asking what different roads can we take this time to get to the same destination. I don’t want to go to the same destination everytime.


For me, I don't find it boring because the drama is in how a married couple deal with major issues then overcoming it in the end and..yes, separations sometimes is a good thing because in the end the couple learn or realizes their love is stronger and is what brings them back together.

I get what you are saying, but at the same time..if all the couples just break up then immediately hook up with someone else..that gets boring too because nobody learns how to navigate a true marriage/relationship because they just quit and move on. Also, it's hard for this viewer to invest a short-term couple knowing hard time hits they just hit the road and it's over.

Sinn for example..for folks who like them, I'm sure if hard time hits, their fans will want them to overcome issues since they have a child together..instead of just up and quit. Just my opinion, of course.


Totally agree. I remember when lots of viewers were clamoring for something other than triangles and wanted couples to stay together and have stories that involved them overcoming obstacles together.


Yep, I do remember many posts talked about how easily a couple married then a few months DTR divorced..nobody tried to work things out etc. But now it's the opposite?

No, I like the idea of couples working on their problems, but I want them to sometimes be successful and sometimes not, like irl. I don’t want to know the answer in advance because as some designated “endgame couple” they’re always going to work it out.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Viola, 5/27/2023, 4:58AM (346 days ago) @rain4- 2 people liked this
edited by Viola, 5/27/2023, 5:04AM

Love AN, but no, no and no. Like I have said in another thread, I will always root for Liam and for Hope but I am done with Lope for good. Like, for good this time. Definitely. There is no coming back. It's not just because of Thomas, the ONS in 2020 is still too hard to swallow. Most former Lope fans I know feel the same way. There may still be a few ones but the whole fandom has been burnt to ashes, imo. What does Bell expect? He can't throw the characters under the bus in such degrading, humiliating proportions and still expect the average audience to like the pairing. The fact that Hope keeps bringing up Leffy's ONS over and over and over shows Bell still sees it as a major factor. She hasn't forgiven him at all.

This isn't Lope from the 2010s anymore. These days are long gone. The actress has changed, the chemistry isn't the same. They have grown apart. The stories have changed a lot too. There was a huge shift after they got Beth back. I still rooted for them back then (even if Hope marrying Thomas was hard to accept) but the narrative isn't the same since then. The old days when everyone was manipulating Lope are long gone. Liam was a married man who bedded an unavailable woman and stated he didn't regret it. Unforgivable. No manipulations (Steffy looked even worse than Liam for that but that's another topic) to excuse him. No one kept informations from him or manipulated. He sex-cheated on Hope in a way Ridge never cheated on Brooke in 36 years. I will never forgive Bell for doing this to his character. What's happening now is not different. In 36 years Brooke made a lot of mistakes but she never treated Ridge this way. As much as I'd like to blame Steffy and Thomas for this mess, they haven't done anything. No lies, no secrets, no agenda or manipulations from them, it's all Hope. She is emotionally cheating and lying about what's on her mind, and the only person to blame is herself, just like the only person to blame for the ONS was Liam. Star-crossed lovers are pulled apart by external manipulations, it hasn't been the case since 2019 for Lope. Bridge were torn apart by manipulations (Sheila, Quinn, Shauna, Bill, Thomas) so I still root for Bridge (and Deric), Lope are not. This is done. They are 100% responsible for the misery they put themselves in, and Bell needs to put them out of this misery. Hope had Thomas on her mind while she was sexing up Liam, eww. I will never be able to get that image out of my head, and Liam shouldn't either. It will take a lot more than a mental breakdown or an illness to make me change my mind. Time to stick a fork in this relationship and allow the 2 characters to move on. Annika and Scott are too good to play these cheating stories. Liam deserves a new fresh healthy relationship with a woman who doesn't have a child, a job and feelings for Thomas. And whatever happens to Hope, she also deserves something new. Let her be single for a while and enjoy her career and spend more time with her children. I will still see her as a good person but I can never take her love for Liam seriously again.

Why does Liam deserve a fresh start with a childless woman while having two kids with two different women? So he could create another life and have 3 different baby mama's? Just to go back to either Hope and Steffy down the road? lol
And Ridge did unspeakable things to Brooke. He betrayed her in a more disgusting way than Liam betrayed Hope over the years. Even the thing he had with Brooke's daughter that he thought was their daughter in the past...

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If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Lizzy54 @, Austria, 5/27/2023, 5:11AM (346 days ago) @Viola

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

GracieGirl, 5/27/2023, 12:16AM (346 days ago) @Drangonfly

Yes, free Liam! I’m sick of Hope and Steffy at this point and I’m not a Liam fan. I hope they bring in a fun loving sassy woman for Liam. Liam needs a breadth of fresh air. He’s allowed these women and their neediness to sap the life out of him.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

matisse, 5/27/2023, 12:46AM (346 days ago) @Drangonfly

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.

If Liam sees them kissing, he is going to turn around and leave....and if Hope does not act on whatever is going on with her about Tom, than maybe Liam will go missing, and that will be the start of the end of Lope in a way that does not make Hope the lying sack of doo she seems to be right now.

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If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

ClemaxDna @, 5/27/2023, 2:15AM (346 days ago) @Drangonfly

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.

Only Bell knows if they will hook up. But the feelings are mutual. This part isn't a tease anymore. They love each other, says the headwriter (see the details further in my post).

AN and SC said a lot of things in 2023. For the first time ever, AN also said she is ''open to the possibility'' of Thope in one of these Italian interviews. If done in the proper circumstances, she isn't against it. Big change from what she said 1 year ago when she answered ''Zende'' in her Bold Live about Hope's next love interest.
SC went a lot further. He is full Thope ahead, thinks the show owes the audience a chance to see if it would work between them. He listed a bunch of reasons why Hope should try something new with Thomas. The common deniminator is they would rather something new for Hope and Liam. And I hope they get what they want. They are lead actors, Bell should take their opinions into consideration. SC's opinion matters a lot to me, because he won so many Awards. His wishes should be respected.

Your quotes above make sense, though.
- ''Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand.'' --> I agree. She is in denial. She doesn't understand these feelings but they are real and they are growing.
- ''She doesn't like that she's having them'' → Partially agree. She isn't trying to distance herself from Thomas. She knows she is feeling pleasant sensations when he puts his hands on her skin, yet she initiated the back massage and chose to wear the dress and ask him to make adjustements. A part of her likes to have feelings for him and likes to have his hands on her body. Another part of her doesn't like what's happening, it's true.
- ''she's actively fighting them'' ---> I agree. But her attempts to fight them are failing. The feelings aren't decreasing. They are burgeoning. Her intentions are good but the feelings are still burgeoning.
- ''trying to do the right thing.'' → Debatable but yes, I can agree to some degree. She is trying. And hasn't done anything unforgivable.

''Doing the right thing'' from whose point of view? that's the question. If I believe Bell's quotes and what I'm seeing on screen, doing the right thing would be :
1) Confess her feelings. Tell Liam he is wearing her down. Be brutally honest even if it hurts.
2) Apologize to Liam and take full responsibility for this disaster
3) File for divorce or an annulment and make sure Liam is ok with it
4) Put her happiness first. If her heart wants Thomas then she should go ahead, own her feelings and make him and Douglas the 2 happiest men in the world.

Staying unhappy in a toxic marriage that's ''wearing her down'' isn't doing the right thing. She is unhappy. She makes Liam unhappy. She makes Thomas unhappy. And if she stays in this marriage, she will make Beth and Douglas unhappy. The children aren't happy if the parents are unhappy.

What are her true feelings ? If I rely on Mr Bell, the producer and head writer, her feelings are
- expanding rapidly (burgeoning)
- feelings of love, strong love and sexual love (amorous)
- repressed and resurfacing (implies she had them for a long time)
- romantic

All these adjectives are from his May sweeps or other Soap Digest articles. According to a description of Bell in Soap Digest, ''Hope's feelings for Thomas make her heart race''.
These descriptions are supported by loads of evidences on screen. I won't list all these evidences, it would take too long. But they exist. There are new ones every day.

I can't predict what will happen in Rome. But if I believe Bell, her feelings are romantic and amorous and they will continue to burgeon. They are going to be in a romantic city, on a romantic square near a magic fountain, celebrating a giant fashion show. It will probably be the highlight of her professional career, and Thomas will be by her side supporting her.

It's just a spoiler pic but if I were Liam, that glowing look would tell me all I need to know. She isn't having a mental breakdown or an identity crisis on the pic. She doesn't seem confused, stressed or horrified. She is beaming and looking at Thomas with admiration. If Liam sees this, he isn't going to see Rome as a place of eternal love between him and Hope, that's for sure. Looks sometimes mean so much more than words...

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If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Lizzy54 @, Austria, 5/27/2023, 4:00AM (346 days ago) @ClemaxDna

I agree to most you are saying though I am not sure if Bell isn't leading his viewers on again like he so often did.
But at the moment it looks like Hope and Tom could have their own "Roman Holiday" in Rome...and if they do, I hope it will be written in a way these very good actors, (AN, MA and SC) deserve.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

theduchess, 5/27/2023, 6:35AM (346 days ago) @ClemaxDna


It's just a spoiler pic but if I were Liam, that glowing look would tell me all I need to know.

that's likely what liam will be doing going forward, watching hope (not thomas) like a hawk during these moments and looking for any signs, any 'caressing' or 'gazing with desire' etc

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If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Drangonfly @, 5/27/2023, 9:26AM (345 days ago) @ClemaxDna

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


Only Bell knows if they will hook up. But the feelings are mutual. This part isn't a tease anymore. They love each other, says the headwriter (see the details further in my post).

AN and SC said a lot of things in 2023. For the first time ever, AN also said she is ''open to the possibility'' of Thope in one of these Italian interviews. If done in the proper circumstances, she isn't against it. Big change from what she said 1 year ago when she answered ''Zende'' in her Bold Live about Hope's next love interest.
SC went a lot further. He is full Thope ahead, thinks the show owes the audience a chance to see if it would work between them. He listed a bunch of reasons why Hope should try something new with Thomas. The common deniminator is they would rather something new for Hope and Liam. And I hope they get what they want. They are lead actors, Bell should take their opinions into consideration. SC's opinion matters a lot to me, because he won so many Awards. His wishes should be respected.

Your quotes above make sense, though.
- ''Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand.'' --> I agree. She is in denial. She doesn't understand these feelings but they are real and they are growing.
- ''She doesn't like that she's having them'' → Partially agree. She isn't trying to distance herself from Thomas. She knows she is feeling pleasant sensations when he puts his hands on her skin, yet she initiated the back massage and chose to wear the dress and ask him to make adjustements. A part of her likes to have feelings for him and likes to have his hands on her body. Another part of her doesn't like what's happening, it's true.
- ''she's actively fighting them'' ---> I agree. But her attempts to fight them are failing. The feelings aren't decreasing. They are burgeoning. Her intentions are good but the feelings are still burgeoning.
- ''trying to do the right thing.'' → Debatable but yes, I can agree to some degree. She is trying. And hasn't done anything unforgivable.

''Doing the right thing'' from whose point of view? that's the question. If I believe Bell's quotes and what I'm seeing on screen, doing the right thing would be :
1) Confess her feelings. Tell Liam he is wearing her down. Be brutally honest even if it hurts.
2) Apologize to Liam and take full responsibility for this disaster
3) File for divorce or an annulment and make sure Liam is ok with it
4) Put her happiness first. If her heart wants Thomas then she should go ahead, own her feelings and make him and Douglas the 2 happiest men in the world.

Staying unhappy in a toxic marriage that's ''wearing her down'' isn't doing the right thing. She is unhappy. She makes Liam unhappy. She makes Thomas unhappy. And if she stays in this marriage, she will make Beth and Douglas unhappy. The children aren't happy if the parents are unhappy.

What are her true feelings ? If I rely on Mr Bell, the producer and head writer, her feelings are
- expanding rapidly (burgeoning)
- feelings of love, strong love and sexual love (amorous)
- repressed and resurfacing (implies she had them for a long time)
- romantic

All these adjectives are from his May sweeps or other Soap Digest articles. According to a description of Bell in Soap Digest, ''Hope's feelings for Thomas make her heart race''.
These descriptions are supported by loads of evidences on screen. I won't list all these evidences, it would take too long. But they exist. There are new ones every day.

I can't predict what will happen in Rome. But if I believe Bell, her feelings are romantic and amorous and they will continue to burgeon. They are going to be in a romantic city, on a romantic square near a magic fountain, celebrating a giant fashion show. It will probably be the highlight of her professional career, and Thomas will be by her side supporting her.

It's just a spoiler pic but if I were Liam, that glowing look would tell me all I need to know. She isn't having a mental breakdown or an identity crisis on the pic. She doesn't seem confused, stressed or horrified. She is beaming and looking at Thomas with admiration. If Liam sees this, he isn't going to see Rome as a place of eternal love between him and Hope, that's for sure. Looks sometimes mean so much more than words...

I know that a Thope pairing is a possible outcome. But, my point was that it's not written in stone. There are other possibilities. And there also may be twists that will happen that we haven't even thought of yet. It could go any number of ways.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

hopeyougogirl, 5/27/2023, 1:13PM (345 days ago) @ClemaxDna

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


Only Bell knows if they will hook up. But the feelings are mutual. This part isn't a tease anymore. They love each other, says the headwriter (see the details further in my post).

AN and SC said a lot of things in 2023. For the first time ever, AN also said she is ''open to the possibility'' of Thope in one of these Italian interviews. If done in the proper circumstances, she isn't against it. Big change from what she said 1 year ago when she answered ''Zende'' in her Bold Live about Hope's next love interest.
SC went a lot further. He is full Thope ahead, thinks the show owes the audience a chance to see if it would work between them. He listed a bunch of reasons why Hope should try something new with Thomas. The common deniminator is they would rather something new for Hope and Liam. And I hope they get what they want. They are lead actors, Bell should take their opinions into consideration. SC's opinion matters a lot to me, because he won so many Awards. His wishes should be respected.

Your quotes above make sense, though.
- ''Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand.'' --> I agree. She is in denial. She doesn't understand these feelings but they are real and they are growing.
- ''She doesn't like that she's having them'' → Partially agree. She isn't trying to distance herself from Thomas. She knows she is feeling pleasant sensations when he puts his hands on her skin, yet she initiated the back massage and chose to wear the dress and ask him to make adjustements. A part of her likes to have feelings for him and likes to have his hands on her body. Another part of her doesn't like what's happening, it's true.
- ''she's actively fighting them'' ---> I agree. But her attempts to fight them are failing. The feelings aren't decreasing. They are burgeoning. Her intentions are good but the feelings are still burgeoning.
- ''trying to do the right thing.'' → Debatable but yes, I can agree to some degree. She is trying. And hasn't done anything unforgivable.

''Doing the right thing'' from whose point of view? that's the question. If I believe Bell's quotes and what I'm seeing on screen, doing the right thing would be :
1) Confess her feelings. Tell Liam he is wearing her down. Be brutally honest even if it hurts.
2) Apologize to Liam and take full responsibility for this disaster
3) File for divorce or an annulment and make sure Liam is ok with it
4) Put her happiness first. If her heart wants Thomas then she should go ahead, own her feelings and make him and Douglas the 2 happiest men in the world.

Staying unhappy in a toxic marriage that's ''wearing her down'' isn't doing the right thing. She is unhappy. She makes Liam unhappy. She makes Thomas unhappy. And if she stays in this marriage, she will make Beth and Douglas unhappy. The children aren't happy if the parents are unhappy.

What are her true feelings ? If I rely on Mr Bell, the producer and head writer, her feelings are
- expanding rapidly (burgeoning)
- feelings of love, strong love and sexual love (amorous)
- repressed and resurfacing (implies she had them for a long time)
- romantic

All these adjectives are from his May sweeps or other Soap Digest articles. According to a description of Bell in Soap Digest, ''Hope's feelings for Thomas make her heart race''.
These descriptions are supported by loads of evidences on screen. I won't list all these evidences, it would take too long. But they exist. There are new ones every day.

I can't predict what will happen in Rome. But if I believe Bell, her feelings are romantic and amorous and they will continue to burgeon. They are going to be in a romantic city, on a romantic square near a magic fountain, celebrating a giant fashion show. It will probably be the highlight of her professional career, and Thomas will be by her side supporting her.

It's just a spoiler pic but if I were Liam, that glowing look would tell me all I need to know. She isn't having a mental breakdown or an identity crisis on the pic. She doesn't seem confused, stressed or horrified. She is beaming and looking at Thomas with admiration. If Liam sees this, he isn't going to see Rome as a place of eternal love between him and Hope, that's for sure. Looks sometimes mean so much more than words...

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An actor's opinion is an actor's opinion..I just don't see how SC's opinion should matter more than AN's..since neither writes for the show. And didn't SC say that Liam shot Bill???? Look how that turned out. LOL.

And nothing is concrete..all the wild speculations are just speculations..until Bell actually "go there", none of the viewers know that partners swapping is coming for sure. JMO.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Drangonfly @, 5/27/2023, 1:26PM (345 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


Only Bell knows if they will hook up. But the feelings are mutual. This part isn't a tease anymore. They love each other, says the headwriter (see the details further in my post).

AN and SC said a lot of things in 2023. For the first time ever, AN also said she is ''open to the possibility'' of Thope in one of these Italian interviews. If done in the proper circumstances, she isn't against it. Big change from what she said 1 year ago when she answered ''Zende'' in her Bold Live about Hope's next love interest.
SC went a lot further. He is full Thope ahead, thinks the show owes the audience a chance to see if it would work between them. He listed a bunch of reasons why Hope should try something new with Thomas. The common deniminator is they would rather something new for Hope and Liam. And I hope they get what they want. They are lead actors, Bell should take their opinions into consideration. SC's opinion matters a lot to me, because he won so many Awards. His wishes should be respected.

Your quotes above make sense, though.
- ''Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand.'' --> I agree. She is in denial. She doesn't understand these feelings but they are real and they are growing.
- ''She doesn't like that she's having them'' → Partially agree. She isn't trying to distance herself from Thomas. She knows she is feeling pleasant sensations when he puts his hands on her skin, yet she initiated the back massage and chose to wear the dress and ask him to make adjustements. A part of her likes to have feelings for him and likes to have his hands on her body. Another part of her doesn't like what's happening, it's true.
- ''she's actively fighting them'' ---> I agree. But her attempts to fight them are failing. The feelings aren't decreasing. They are burgeoning. Her intentions are good but the feelings are still burgeoning.
- ''trying to do the right thing.'' → Debatable but yes, I can agree to some degree. She is trying. And hasn't done anything unforgivable.

''Doing the right thing'' from whose point of view? that's the question. If I believe Bell's quotes and what I'm seeing on screen, doing the right thing would be :
1) Confess her feelings. Tell Liam he is wearing her down. Be brutally honest even if it hurts.
2) Apologize to Liam and take full responsibility for this disaster
3) File for divorce or an annulment and make sure Liam is ok with it
4) Put her happiness first. If her heart wants Thomas then she should go ahead, own her feelings and make him and Douglas the 2 happiest men in the world.

Staying unhappy in a toxic marriage that's ''wearing her down'' isn't doing the right thing. She is unhappy. She makes Liam unhappy. She makes Thomas unhappy. And if she stays in this marriage, she will make Beth and Douglas unhappy. The children aren't happy if the parents are unhappy.

What are her true feelings ? If I rely on Mr Bell, the producer and head writer, her feelings are
- expanding rapidly (burgeoning)
- feelings of love, strong love and sexual love (amorous)
- repressed and resurfacing (implies she had them for a long time)
- romantic

All these adjectives are from his May sweeps or other Soap Digest articles. According to a description of Bell in Soap Digest, ''Hope's feelings for Thomas make her heart race''.
These descriptions are supported by loads of evidences on screen. I won't list all these evidences, it would take too long. But they exist. There are new ones every day.

I can't predict what will happen in Rome. But if I believe Bell, her feelings are romantic and amorous and they will continue to burgeon. They are going to be in a romantic city, on a romantic square near a magic fountain, celebrating a giant fashion show. It will probably be the highlight of her professional career, and Thomas will be by her side supporting her.

It's just a spoiler pic but if I were Liam, that glowing look would tell me all I need to know. She isn't having a mental breakdown or an identity crisis on the pic. She doesn't seem confused, stressed or horrified. She is beaming and looking at Thomas with admiration. If Liam sees this, he isn't going to see Rome as a place of eternal love between him and Hope, that's for sure. Looks sometimes mean so much more than words...


An actor's opinion is an actor's opinion..I just don't see how SC's opinion should matter more than AN's..since neither writes for the show. And didn't SC say that Liam shot Bill???? Look how that turned out. LOL.

And nothing is concrete..all the wild speculations are just speculations..until Bell actually "go there", none of the viewers know that partners swapping is coming for sure. JMO.

And none of these actors have given any clues about what will actually happen. They're not allowed to. They can say what they would like to happen, but that doesn't mean anything when it comes to the actual writing.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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Soapisfun, 5/27/2023, 3:23AM (346 days ago) @Drangonfly- one person liked this

What is the right thing ? To fire Thomas ? To drop her line? That is the first time in B&B that we have someone having feelings and fighting them. If she could suppress them, she could have done it by now. Until now she is doing « the right thing » and she and Liam are miserable. They will be more now that Liam is going to be suspicious.

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If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Drangonfly @, 5/27/2023, 9:35AM (345 days ago) @Soapisfun

What is the right thing ? To fire Thomas ? To drop her line? That is the first time in B&B that we have someone having feelings and fighting them. If she could suppress them, she could have done it by now. Until now she is doing « the right thing » and she and Liam are miserable. They will be more now that Liam is going to be suspicious.

Doing the right thing would be not acting on the feelings. Agree, her fighting them is making them miserable. And it's going to get worse. Let's not forget, though, that she loves Liam. Getting with Thomas isn't going to change that. What did Liam do with his feelings for Steffy when he married Hope? If we don't get a twist where Hope is having some sort of mental issue then the writers can just write her feelings for Thomas away like they did Liam's feelings for Steffy. I mean, Liam straight up banged Steffy and told her he would never not love her and now it's all platonic.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Barbybo, 5/27/2023, 9:11AM (345 days ago) @Drangonfly

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.

Then she will be wall paper bore again gal in a cabin mommy dearest hovering treating her like a child that’s horrible soap script

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

KKLBAB12, 5/27/2023, 12:05PM (345 days ago) @Drangonfly

I'm sensing a nervous breakdown in the cards for Hope.
Maybe AN is getting a mental health storyline as this goes along.
Aside from Sheila (who cares) Bell hasn't delved into MH stories much. If he decides to go down this road I hope it's written in a sensitive manner. He's got an actress who can knock it out of the park.

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If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Drangonfly @, 5/27/2023, 12:12PM (345 days ago) @KKLBAB12

I'm sensing a nervous breakdown in the cards for Hope.
Maybe AN is getting a mental health storyline as this goes along.
Aside from Sheila (who cares) Bell hasn't delved into MH stories much. If he decides to go down this road I hope it's written in a sensitive manner. He's got an actress who can knock it out of the park.

Agree. That would be a great story. It's either that or Bell is writing a story where a victim falls for her stalker. In the year 2023. :ouch

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Torval, 5/27/2023, 12:14PM (345 days ago) @Drangonfly

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.

If Thope hook up, I don't think it will happen shortly after Italy. I can't see Hope being dumped and then sharing the return flight with Thomas in her arms, making out with him in the plane and coming home with him as a couple. It won't happen like that. There will be a lot of things to process first. She and Liam will have a lot to talk about. Their marriage, the children, the real nature of her feelings, etc... If Thope hook up, it will be later down the road, after Liam and Hope made a final decision about their marriage and I think it would be a slow build up. They will take things one step at a time. Hope isn't going to jump into bed and marriage with him overnight.

I hope this story isn't concluded with a mental issue, frankly. I have to agree with Patriotgirl on this one. Bell has been buiding up this triangle for years and he seems to take this storyline very seriously so far. Thomas' redemption story and the mutual attraction is written well, for me. The last thing I want to see is Hope getting some brain surgery or having 1 therapy session with Liam and everything is resolved. It would be the lamest conclusion to an exciting story, I know exactly what would happen to Lope then... backburner. That's where they have been for 2 years. I also will take this version of Thomas over the villainous version. And I will take a torn and front and center Hope over a happy and backburnered Hope.

I think Hope will do the right thing in the end. But we still don't know what's the right thing, at this stage of the story.

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If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Drangonfly @, 5/27/2023, 1:04PM (345 days ago) @Torval

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.


If Thope hook up, I don't think it will happen shortly after Italy. I can't see Hope being dumped and then sharing the return flight with Thomas in her arms, making out with him in the plane and coming home with him as a couple. It won't happen like that. There will be a lot of things to process first. She and Liam will have a lot to talk about. Their marriage, the children, the real nature of her feelings, etc... If Thope hook up, it will be later down the road, after Liam and Hope made a final decision about their marriage and I think it would be a slow build up. They will take things one step at a time. Hope isn't going to jump into bed and marriage with him overnight.

I hope this story isn't concluded with a mental issue, frankly. I have to agree with Patriotgirl on this one. Bell has been buiding up this triangle for years and he seems to take this storyline very seriously so far. Thomas' redemption story and the mutual attraction is written well, for me. The last thing I want to see is Hope getting some brain surgery or having 1 therapy session with Liam and everything is resolved. It would be the lamest conclusion to an exciting story, I know exactly what would happen to Lope then... backburner. That's where they have been for 2 years. I also will take this version of Thomas over the villainous version. And I will take a torn and front and center Hope over a happy and backburnered Hope.

I think Hope will do the right thing in the end. But we still don't know what's the right thing, at this stage of the story.

I think your scenario is just as plausible as any. I would hate it, though. :-D

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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If Liam finds out in Italy that Hope has feelings...

Tiqui1999 @, 5/27/2023, 12:38PM (345 days ago) @Drangonfly
edited by Tiqui1999, 5/27/2023, 12:54PM

...for Thomas, that doesn't mean that Hope and Thomas will hook up.

I saw a video on Twitter in the #BoldAndBeautiful hashtag where Annika is interviewed by an Italian reporter. She said that Hope is having feelings that she doesn't understand, she doesn't like that she's having them, and she's actively fighting them and trying to do the right thing. So, this whole story could end with Hope doing the right thing in the end.

Frankly, Hope it's already done the wrong thing if you ask me. She's already done the wrong thing in her marriages/ relationships for four years when it comes to thomas. At this point, I'm not willing to forgive her anymore. If she decides to turn around and stop blaming Liam and stop blaming Brooke and stop blaming the Moon instead of looking at herself, and if she turns around and does the quote unquote right thing in the end, that means she's doing wrong now.

I have no respect for how she handled this whole situation. She has handled it with absolutely zero Grace. That's just how I feel.

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