If and when Hope gets with Thomas, she becomes a Tridgster (General)

At this moment she’s not had sex with Thomas but she’s already cheating on Liam. So now, I see Hope as a Tridgester. She’s in lust with the enemy.

Then Liam was a Tridgster too when he cheated on Hope with Steffy, even sleeping with her?

Indeed he was. I don’t know why Hope would want to follow in Steffy‘s path.

At this moment she’s not had sex with Thomas but she’s already cheating on Liam. So now, I see Hope as a Tridgester. She’s in lust with the enemy.

I don't see lust at all here. Most of her flashbacks about Thomas include happy memories and emotional times with him. The heart racing is a sign of love and not lust. The tears in her eyes because she hurt his feelings have little to do with sex and everything to do with romantic love.

What is a Tridgster? The difference is the other Tridge members don't like her. Ridge doesn't really like her. Taylor tolerates her. Steffy is her main rival. Thomas worships her and never judged her. Big difference.

At this moment she’s not had sex with Thomas but she’s already cheating on Liam. So now, I see Hope as a Tridgester. She’s in lust with the enemy.

why is thomas the enemy though?

Indeed he was. I don’t know why Hope would want to follow in Steffy‘s path.

Maybe because steffys got it all a house she owns a nice faithful hubbie a great job success and kids…Hopes living in a cabin with a whiney husband ..and a mommy who pops in any hour of the day

Because Tom has been the villain in Hope’s story, over and over again.

I don’t see love, but it’s all in the eyes of the beholder.

I know you don’t like the cabin. I feel the same way about Thomas character. Thank you for helping me understand why I don’t care for Steffy or her parents. They support whatever she does, and blame others for her mistakes. Taylor shoots Bill in back because there’s no way the parents can acknowledge the flaws in their children. No one ever puts Steffy in line even when she’s wrong. Finn allowed Steffy to have her one night stand. He blamed Liam and didn’t even criticize Steffy. So I guess that’s what Hope wants. A husband and a family who supports her in doing whatever she wants even if it’s self destructive.

Then Liam was a Tridgster too when he cheated on Hope with Steffy, even sleeping with her?

Exactly. In fact Liam more than cheated on Hope with Steffy. Liam was in love with Steffy for years, married her multiple times and had a child with her. He must be an evil “Tridgster” alright.

Because Tom has been the villain in Hope’s story, over and over again.

Not when he got her husband out of jail for a hit and run, or when he helped to make HFTF a success (not just now, but also before he was banished for the CPS call). Not when he (with Finn) confronted Vinny about switching the paternity results. Life is not so black and white as “enemies” and friendlies or heroes and “villains”, and the show should reflect that more than it does.

At this moment she’s not had sex with Thomas but she’s already cheating on Liam. So now, I see Hope as a Tridgester. She’s in lust with the enemy.

And if they marry, then Tom can be a Logan. After all, isn't that how it works on this show, Forresters versus Logans and any man that married a Logan, is then a Logan. Hope won't be a Forrester, as much as she may want to be, Tom will be a dreaded Logan. LOL

The trump card, Thomas prevented Hope and Liam from finding Beth. It’s not the only thing he did. Human relationships behave shades of grey for sure, but for me there are no shades of grey for threatening children to keep the evil secret that you are preventing parents from learning the whereabouts of their stolen child. That’s not grey to me.

Because Tom has been the villain in Hope’s story, over and over again.

Not when he got her husband out of jail for a hit and run, or when he helped to make HFTF a success (not just now, but also before he was banished for the CPS call). Not when he (with Finn) confronted Vinny about switching the paternity results. Life is not so black and white as “enemies” and friendlies or heroes and “villains”, and the show should reflect that more than it does.

His pockets of doing the right thing, are usually followed with him doing something terrible, The man is a mess, though he really seems to be trying now to be the Tom we all saw as a little kid. Too bad Hope is going to ruin it for him. She is going to take Tom down with her....and it will not be pretty. Hope is exactly like Ridge, all into someone, ready to move on from Brooke for something he thinks, saw, or some woman he suddenly got all hot for, then he sees Brooke with another man and he is right back trying to hump her leg. Hope is the exact same with Liam. She dumps him, he is with Steffy, she is right back to wanting him again. She married Wyatt because Liam was late, she was jealous of Ivy for being with Liam. She comes back to town, finds out Steffy and Liam are separated, wants to put them back together, when he finally sees it her way and plans to go back to Steffy, Hope wants him back. I have no doubt that this is how it is going to go down this time too. She will get caught by Liam for doing something with Tom. Liam will leave her, she will try to make it work with Tom. Liam will meet someone, or she will see Liam with Paris, or one of the models or someone, and she will be whining to her mother about the huge mistake she made.

He will never be a Logan but I believe Ridge and Taylor will accept Hope because they think she makes Thomas better. Steffy likes bullying Hope. She’s more subtle about it now. That will continue regardless.

At this moment she’s not had sex with Thomas but she’s already cheating on Liam. So now, I see Hope as a Tridgester. She’s in lust with the enemy.

And if they marry, then Tom can be a Logan. After all, isn't that how it works on this show, Forresters versus Logans and any man that married a Logan, is then a Logan. Hope won't be a Forrester, as much as she may want to be, Tom will be a dreaded Logan. LOL

The way Hope never left forrester I think she was a forrester wanna bee well with Tom she finaly made it her new children will be forresters too if she’s wises up dumps liam

At this moment she’s not had sex with Thomas but she’s already cheating on Liam. So now, I see Hope as a Tridgester. She’s in lust with the enemy.

Where must Hope be giving a title, if she leave Liam, sounds divisive.

Because Tom has been the villain in Hope’s story, over and over again.

Not when he got her husband out of jail for a hit and run, or when he helped to make HFTF a success (not just now, but also before he was banished for the CPS call). Not when he (with Finn) confronted Vinny about switching the paternity results. Life is not so black and white as “enemies” and friendlies or heroes and “villains”, and the show should reflect that more than it does.

His pockets of doing the right thing, are usually followed with him doing something terrible, The man is a mess, though he really seems to be trying now to be the Tom we all saw as a little kid. Too bad Hope is going to ruin it for him. She is going to take Tom down with her....and it will not be pretty. Hope is exactly like Ridge, all into someone, ready to move on from Brooke for something he thinks, saw, or some woman he suddenly got all hot for, then he sees Brooke with another man and he is right back trying to hump her leg. Hope is the exact same with Liam. She dumps him, he is with Steffy, she is right back to wanting him again. She married Wyatt because Liam was late, she was jealous of Ivy for being with Liam. She comes back to town, finds out Steffy and Liam are separated, wants to put them back together, when he finally sees it her way and plans to go back to Steffy, Hope wants him back. I have no doubt that this is how it is going to go down this time too. She will get caught by Liam for doing something with Tom. Liam will leave her, she will try to make it work with Tom. Liam will meet someone, or she will see Liam with Paris, or one of the models or someone, and she will be whining to her mother about the huge mistake she made.

I can definitely see it going like that.

At this moment she’s not had sex with Thomas but she’s already cheating on Liam. So now, I see Hope as a Tridgester. She’s in lust with the enemy.

And if they marry, then Tom can be a Logan. After all, isn't that how it works on this show, Forresters versus Logans and any man that married a Logan, is then a Logan. Hope won't be a Forrester, as much as she may want to be, Tom will be a dreaded Logan. LOL

Yep. Just as funny to me as when I hear “Liam Logan”.

At this moment she’s not had sex with Thomas but she’s already cheating on Liam. So now, I see Hope as a Tridgester. She’s in lust with the enemy.

And if they marry, then Tom can be a Logan. After all, isn't that how it works on this show, Forresters versus Logans and any man that married a Logan, is then a Logan. Hope won't be a Forrester, as much as she may want to be, Tom will be a dreaded Logan. LOL

That depends on whether he starts sitting around with the Logan Coven sipping tea.

Indeed he was. I don’t know why Hope would want to follow in Steffy‘s path.

Hope has lost the core of who she is..even the make up is clear to this viewer..the show have her wear very dark eyeliners..it's dark Hope right now..especially with the creepy music surrounding deranged Thope. But this creepy Thope ain't gonna last forever..I'm sure the actress is enjoying playing something totally different..that is the ONLY bright side for this Hope fan that AN gets to shine and show her talent front and center. JMO.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

Then Liam was a Tridgster too when he cheated on Hope with Steffy, even sleeping with her?

Exactly. In fact Liam more than cheated on Hope with Steffy. Liam was in love with Steffy for years, married her multiple times and had a child with her. He must be an evil “Tridgster” alright.

Liam’s just Liam a whiney idiot

Because Tom has been the villain in Hope’s story, over and over again.

Not when he got her husband out of jail for a hit and run, or when he helped to make HFTF a success (not just now, but also before he was banished for the CPS call). Not when he (with Finn) confronted Vinny about switching the paternity results. Life is not so black and white as “enemies” and friendlies or heroes and “villains”, and the show should reflect that more than it does.

His pockets of doing the right thing, are usually followed with him doing something terrible, The man is a mess, though he really seems to be trying now to be the Tom we all saw as a little kid. Too bad Hope is going to ruin it for him. She is going to take Tom down with her....and it will not be pretty. Hope is exactly like Ridge, all into someone, ready to move on from Brooke for something he thinks, saw, or some woman he suddenly got all hot for, then he sees Brooke with another man and he is right back trying to hump her leg. Hope is the exact same with Liam. She dumps him, he is with Steffy, she is right back to wanting him again. She married Wyatt because Liam was late, she was jealous of Ivy for being with Liam. She comes back to town, finds out Steffy and Liam are separated, wants to put them back together, when he finally sees it her way and plans to go back to Steffy, Hope wants him back. I have no doubt that this is how it is going to go down this time too. She will get caught by Liam for doing something with Tom. Liam will leave her, she will try to make it work with Tom. Liam will meet someone, or she will see Liam with Paris, or one of the models or someone, and she will be whining to her mother about the huge mistake she made.

I can definitely see it going like that.

Oh geez another whiner we got enough

At this moment she’s not had sex with Thomas but she’s already cheating on Liam. So now, I see Hope as a Tridgester. She’s in lust with the enemy.

Where must Hope be giving a title, if she leave Liam, sounds divisive.

Why do they need enemies gawd how many years same stupid stuff on this show still Brooke vs Taylor two older women it’s nuts…I like them better as golden gals friends

I love that AN finally got a really gripping story and some interesting scenes to play, and she does it so well!

I love that AN finally got a really gripping story and some interesting scenes to play, and she does it so well!

And I pretty sure creepy Thope is temporary much like Leffy.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

I love that AN finally got a really gripping story and some interesting scenes to play, and she does it so well!

And I pretty sure creepy Thope is temporary much like Leffy.

I agree. I see no future here. Hope is acting out like an abused woman might with her abuser after she has been suffering PTSD or something. It is not romantic. The evil music that plays only strengthens my thoughts on that.

I love that AN finally got a really gripping story and some interesting scenes to play, and she does it so well!

And I pretty sure creepy Thope is temporary much like Leffy.

I agree. I see no future here. Hope is acting out like an abused woman might with her abuser after she has been suffering PTSD or something. It is not romantic. The evil music that plays only strengthens my thoughts on that.

Exactly. And I think once Liam finds out..tells her that he's not doing this anymore and walks away, it'll be her wake up call back to reality.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

I don’t see love, but it’s all in the eyes of the beholder.

Why is she crying so much then? Someone in lust isn't going to cry because she hurt the other person's feelings. How do you explain her flashbacks? She is thinking about happy moments with him more than sexual fantasies.

I don’t see love, but it’s all in the eyes of the beholder.

Why is she crying so much then? Someone in lust isn't going to cry because she hurt the other person's feelings. How do you explain her flashbacks? She is thinking about happy moments with him more than sexual fantasies.

I cry when I get aggravated. Crying doesn't equal love.

I don’t see love, but it’s all in the eyes of the beholder.

Why is she crying so much then? Someone in lust isn't going to cry because she hurt the other person's feelings. How do you explain her flashbacks? She is thinking about happy moments with him more than sexual fantasies.

I cry when I get aggravated. Crying doesn't equal love.

There are so many other signs. Crying because she hurt him is just one. The heart beat racing every single time she is close to him (also confirmed by Bell). The way she feels when he massaged her in the plane and dozens of romantic flashbacks. Multiple SOD articles from Bell and the actors and multiple reliable spoilers confirming Hope's repressed, burgeoning, romantic and amorous feelings for Thomas. And now she flat out admitted her feelings for him in 2 different scenes.

I could go on and on and on and on and list at least 20 evidences of her feelings shown on screen in the last couple of months. I don't need more evidences than this. Bell's words are enough for me.

I don’t see love, but it’s all in the eyes of the beholder.

Why is she crying so much then? Someone in lust isn't going to cry because she hurt the other person's feelings. How do you explain her flashbacks? She is thinking about happy moments with him more than sexual fantasies.

I cry when I get aggravated. Crying doesn't equal love.

There are so many other signs. Crying because she hurt him is just one. The heart beat racing every single time she is close to him (also confirmed by Bell). The way she feels when he massaged her in the plane and dozens of romantic flashbacks. Multiple SOD articles from Bell and the actors and multiple reliable spoilers confirming Hope's repressed, burgeoning, romantic and amorous feelings for Thomas. And now she flat out admitted her feelings for him in 2 different scenes.

I could go on and on and on and on and list at least 20 evidences of her feelings shown on screen in the last couple of months. I don't need more evidences than this. Bell's words are enough for me.

My evidence is my own eyes. You see things your way, I see them mine. The creepy music is one of the biggest flags I am seeing. I will continue to hold my opinion about what I see. The creepy music is always played when evil stuff is occurring. That is my clue. And that is the only evidence I need. This is not anywhere near love.

I don’t see love, but it’s all in the eyes of the beholder.

Why is she crying so much then? Someone in lust isn't going to cry because she hurt the other person's feelings. How do you explain her flashbacks? She is thinking about happy moments with him more than sexual fantasies.

I cry when I get aggravated. Crying doesn't equal love.

There are so many other signs. Crying because she hurt him is just one. The heart beat racing every single time she is close to him (also confirmed by Bell). The way she feels when he massaged her in the plane and dozens of romantic flashbacks. Multiple SOD articles from Bell and the actors and multiple reliable spoilers confirming Hope's repressed, burgeoning, romantic and amorous feelings for Thomas. And now she flat out admitted her feelings for him in 2 different scenes.

I could go on and on and on and on and list at least 20 evidences of her feelings shown on screen in the last couple of months. I don't need more evidences than this. Bell's words are enough for me.

My evidence is my own eyes. You see things your way, I see them mine. The creepy music is one of the biggest flags I am seeing. I will continue to hold my opinion about what I see. The creepy music is always played when evil stuff is occurring. That is my clue. And that is the only evidence I need. This is not anywhere near love.

A lot of different kinds of music are playing during these scenes. Most of them aren't creepy. The music during the handholding moment and during some of Hope's flashbacks isn't creepy at all.

There was creepy music in plenty of Brooke and Bill's scenes too, and the feelings between them were still real when they were together.

I will trust Bell's words on this one. Summer previews from the headwriter and executive producer : Hope has burgeoning and amorous feelings. That's all I need to know for now.

I don’t see love, but it’s all in the eyes of the beholder.

Why is she crying so much then? Someone in lust isn't going to cry because she hurt the other person's feelings. How do you explain her flashbacks? She is thinking about happy moments with him more than sexual fantasies.

I cry when I get aggravated. Crying doesn't equal love.

There are so many other signs. Crying because she hurt him is just one. The heart beat racing every single time she is close to him (also confirmed by Bell). The way she feels when he massaged her in the plane and dozens of romantic flashbacks. Multiple SOD articles from Bell and the actors and multiple reliable spoilers confirming Hope's repressed, burgeoning, romantic and amorous feelings for Thomas. And now she flat out admitted her feelings for him in 2 different scenes.

I could go on and on and on and on and list at least 20 evidences of her feelings shown on screen in the last couple of months. I don't need more evidences than this. Bell's words are enough for me.

My evidence is my own eyes. You see things your way, I see them mine. The creepy music is one of the biggest flags I am seeing. I will continue to hold my opinion about what I see. The creepy music is always played when evil stuff is occurring. That is my clue. And that is the only evidence I need. This is not anywhere near love.

I’ve never noticed any creepy music. I’ll have to listen for it specifically and see what I think of it. What I do know from what I’m seeing is their current theme song should be Gordon Lightfoot’s “Baby Step Back” which says in part “Either step up or step back”.

I don’t see love, but it’s all in the eyes of the beholder.

Why is she crying so much then? Someone in lust isn't going to cry because she hurt the other person's feelings. How do you explain her flashbacks? She is thinking about happy moments with him more than sexual fantasies.

I cry when I get aggravated. Crying doesn't equal love.

There are so many other signs. Crying because she hurt him is just one. The heart beat racing every single time she is close to him (also confirmed by Bell). The way she feels when he massaged her in the plane and dozens of romantic flashbacks. Multiple SOD articles from Bell and the actors and multiple reliable spoilers confirming Hope's repressed, burgeoning, romantic and amorous feelings for Thomas. And now she flat out admitted her feelings for him in 2 different scenes.

I could go on and on and on and on and list at least 20 evidences of her feelings shown on screen in the last couple of months. I don't need more evidences than this. Bell's words are enough for me.

My evidence is my own eyes. You see things your way, I see them mine. The creepy music is one of the biggest flags I am seeing. I will continue to hold my opinion about what I see. The creepy music is always played when evil stuff is occurring. That is my clue. And that is the only evidence I need. This is not anywhere near love.

I heard creepy music between Bill and Sheila. I heard creepy music when Thomas knew about Beth and Hope was looking uncomfortable around him. I am not hearing any similar music at the moment.

I love that AN finally got a really gripping story and some interesting scenes to play, and she does it so well!

And I pretty sure creepy Thope is temporary much like Leffy.

“Temporary” like multiple marriages and a bio kid together?

At this moment she’s not had sex with Thomas but she’s already cheating on Liam. So now, I see Hope as a Tridgester. She’s in lust with the enemy.

And if they marry, then Tom can be a Logan. After all, isn't that how it works on this show, Forresters versus Logans and any man that married a Logan, is then a Logan. Hope won't be a Forrester, as much as she may want to be, Tom will be a dreaded Logan. LOL

That depends on whether he starts sitting around with the Logan Coven sipping tea.

He fit right in on those tea gossip meetings …he’s a wuss

I think we're past lust. Lust usually gets acted on pretty quickly. What's going on between Thomas and Hope is being built up over time. That's love.

I love that AN finally got a really gripping story and some interesting scenes to play, and she does it so well!

And I pretty sure creepy Thope is temporary much like Leffy.

“Temporary” like multiple marriages and a bio kid together?

Yet, it's Leffy who?
Even Steffy admitted on screen that she was just a "placeholder". LOL.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

I don’t see love, but it’s all in the eyes of the beholder.

Why is she crying so much then? Someone in lust isn't going to cry because she hurt the other person's feelings. How do you explain her flashbacks? She is thinking about happy moments with him more than sexual fantasies.

I cry when I get aggravated. Crying doesn't equal love.

There are so many other signs. Crying because she hurt him is just one. The heart beat racing every single time she is close to him (also confirmed by Bell). The way she feels when he massaged her in the plane and dozens of romantic flashbacks. Multiple SOD articles from Bell and the actors and multiple reliable spoilers confirming Hope's repressed, burgeoning, romantic and amorous feelings for Thomas. And now she flat out admitted her feelings for him in 2 different scenes.

I could go on and on and on and on and list at least 20 evidences of her feelings shown on screen in the last couple of months. I don't need more evidences than this. Bell's words are enough for me.

My evidence is my own eyes. You see things your way, I see them mine. The creepy music is one of the biggest flags I am seeing. I will continue to hold my opinion about what I see. The creepy music is always played when evil stuff is occurring. That is my clue. And that is the only evidence I need. This is not anywhere near love.

I heard creepy music between Bill and Sheila. I heard creepy music when Thomas knew about Beth and Hope was looking uncomfortable around him. I am not hearing any similar music at the moment.

I listened very carefully for this today and heard zero creepy music. Anticipatory music at one point and and peaceful music at another during the Thope scenes.

I love that AN finally got a really gripping story and some interesting scenes to play, and she does it so well!

And I pretty sure creepy Thope is temporary much like Leffy.

“Temporary” like multiple marriages and a bio kid together?

Yet, it's Leffy who?
Even Steffy admitted on screen that she was just a "placeholder". LOL.

I’m pretty sure Liam didn’t feel that way when he told her “I loved you more than anything or anyone in my whole life.” on January 3, 2018 during their confrontation about the Bill ONS. He also said this:

“I wanted a family with you. I wanted to be a father. I wanted to be a parent. With you. Because giving my child what i never had growing up was the most important thing I could do, and providing stability and love to that child was the most important thing I could do. That is the culmination of my whole existence.

There's nothing more important than giving stability and love to our child. And you... you took that away from me. You took that away. You took that away from our child”

Things could get very interesting for Lope depending on what Hope does here. Kinda depends on how consistently they write Liam’s character.

I love that AN finally got a really gripping story and some interesting scenes to play, and she does it so well!

And I pretty sure creepy Thope is temporary much like Leffy.

“Temporary” like multiple marriages and a bio kid together?

Yet, it's Leffy who?
Even Steffy admitted on screen that she was just a "placeholder". LOL.

I’m pretty sure Liam didn’t feel that way when he told her “I loved you more than anything or anyone in my whole life.” on January 3, 2018 during their confrontation about the Bill ONS. He also said this:

“I wanted a family with you. I wanted to be a father. I wanted to be a parent. With you. Because giving my child what i never had growing up was the most important thing I could do, and providing stability and love to that child was the most important thing I could do. That is the culmination of my whole existence.

There's nothing more important than giving stability and love to our child. And you... you took that away from me. You took that away. You took that away from our child”

Things could get very interesting for Lope depending on what Hope does here. Kinda depends on how consistently they write Liam’s character.

Lol, but things have changed a LOT since old dialogue on Jan 3, 2018..especially after Hope came back..Liam has actually told Hope that she's the "love of his" life and that he's "born to love" her. And lets not forget, Steffy has also admitted that she's "always 2nd to Hope". The way I see it, Bridge and Lope are Bell's endgame couples, NOT Leffy..and that is why I see Leffy as temporary no different than Hott or creepy Thope. JMO.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

I love that AN finally got a really gripping story and some interesting scenes to play, and she does it so well!

And I pretty sure creepy Thope is temporary much like Leffy.

“Temporary” like multiple marriages and a bio kid together?

Yet, it's Leffy who?
Even Steffy admitted on screen that she was just a "placeholder". LOL.

I’m pretty sure Liam didn’t feel that way when he told her “I loved you more than anything or anyone in my whole life.” on January 3, 2018 during their confrontation about the Bill ONS. He also said this:

“I wanted a family with you. I wanted to be a father. I wanted to be a parent. With you. Because giving my child what i never had growing up was the most important thing I could do, and providing stability and love to that child was the most important thing I could do. That is the culmination of my whole existence.

There's nothing more important than giving stability and love to our child. And you... you took that away from me. You took that away. You took that away from our child”

Things could get very interesting for Lope depending on what Hope does here. Kinda depends on how consistently they write Liam’s character.

Lol, but things have changed a LOT since old dialogue on Jan 3, 2018..especially after Hope came back..Liam has actually told Hope that she's the "love of his" life and that he's "born to love" her. And lets not forget, Steffy has also admitted that she's "always 2nd to Hope". The way I see it, Bridge and Lope are Bell's endgame couples, NOT Leffy..and that is why I see Leffy as temporary no different than Hott or creepy Thope. JMO.

Sure, but if we had this conversation when Steam was married I could say what he previously said to Hope was just old dialog. It is what it is until it isn’t. At some point Hope may say Liam would never have gone back to Steffy so many times if he really loved her like he said he did. Don’t get me wrong, I hope to God that Steam is dead and never revisited, but Bell will have Liam tell anyone he loves them more than anyone ever or they’re the love of his life anytime he wants to. I just don’t put that much stock in it anymore no matter who he’s saying it to.

I love that AN finally got a really gripping story and some interesting scenes to play, and she does it so well!

And I pretty sure creepy Thope is temporary much like Leffy.

“Temporary” like multiple marriages and a bio kid together?

Yet, it's Leffy who?
Even Steffy admitted on screen that she was just a "placeholder". LOL.

I’m pretty sure Liam didn’t feel that way when he told her “I loved you more than anything or anyone in my whole life.” on January 3, 2018 during their confrontation about the Bill ONS. He also said this:

“I wanted a family with you. I wanted to be a father. I wanted to be a parent. With you. Because giving my child what i never had growing up was the most important thing I could do, and providing stability and love to that child was the most important thing I could do. That is the culmination of my whole existence.

There's nothing more important than giving stability and love to our child. And you... you took that away from me. You took that away. You took that away from our child”

Things could get very interesting for Lope depending on what Hope does here. Kinda depends on how consistently they write Liam’s character.

Lol, but things have changed a LOT since old dialogue on Jan 3, 2018..especially after Hope came back..Liam has actually told Hope that she's the "love of his" life and that he's "born to love" her. And lets not forget, Steffy has also admitted that she's "always 2nd to Hope". The way I see it, Bridge and Lope are Bell's endgame couples, NOT Leffy..and that is why I see Leffy as temporary no different than Hott or creepy Thope. JMO.

Sure, but if we had this conversation when Steam was married I could say what he previously said to Hope was just old dialog. It is what it is until it isn’t. At some point Hope may say Liam would never have gone back to Steffy so many times if he really loved her like he said he did. Don’t get me wrong, I hope to God that Steam is dead and never revisited, but Bell will have Liam tell anyone he loves them more than anyone ever or they’re the love of his life anytime he wants to. I just don’t put that much stock in it anymore no matter who he’s saying it to.

Sure, dialogue changes but that goes for all characters, NOT just Liam. The way I see it, Steffy/Wyatt/Thomas are just angst for Lope is all..that's why I considered Leffy/Hott/Thope temporary because Hope and Liam will always find ways back to each other..the same way Brooke and Ridge will always find ways back to each other.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

I don’t see love, but it’s all in the eyes of the beholder.

Why is she crying so much then? Someone in lust isn't going to cry because she hurt the other person's feelings. How do you explain her flashbacks? She is thinking about happy moments with him more than sexual fantasies.

I cry when I get aggravated. Crying doesn't equal love.

There are so many other signs. Crying because she hurt him is just one. The heart beat racing every single time she is close to him (also confirmed by Bell). The way she feels when he massaged her in the plane and dozens of romantic flashbacks. Multiple SOD articles from Bell and the actors and multiple reliable spoilers confirming Hope's repressed, burgeoning, romantic and amorous feelings for Thomas. And now she flat out admitted her feelings for him in 2 different scenes.

I could go on and on and on and on and list at least 20 evidences of her feelings shown on screen in the last couple of months. I don't need more evidences than this. Bell's words are enough for me.

My evidence is my own eyes. You see things your way, I see them mine. The creepy music is one of the biggest flags I am seeing. I will continue to hold my opinion about what I see. The creepy music is always played when evil stuff is occurring. That is my clue. And that is the only evidence I need. This is not anywhere near love.

I heard creepy music between Bill and Sheila. I heard creepy music when Thomas knew about Beth and Hope was looking uncomfortable around him. I am not hearing any similar music at the moment.

The most sinister music I heard is in the plane, when Thomas told Hope she is going home to her husband and will spend the rest of her life married to Liam. Hope looked like she wanted to cringe and they played bad music. lol