I’m confused about todays bee death confession (General)
Didn’t Bill reference the bee death and the doctor going over the ledge when he was talking with Ridge and the FBI guy? Did I imagine that?
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I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Tiqui1999 
, 3/27/2023, 8:44PM (400 days ago) @GracieGirl- one person liked this
Didn’t Bill reference the bee death and the doctor going over the ledge when he was talking with Ridge and the FBI guy? Did I imagine that?
No, and that's the problem. They said the FBI and Baker knew that Sheila was a person of interest in these "murders." And I was like, who the hell told them that???? How could they possibly know whether Garvin was "murdered" or fell off his balcony? And as for Lance, was his death even ruled a homicide? I tried to go back to find it on youtube but I can't locate the episodes right now.
People say Garvin's family was involved at the time, but they were not up there in that office. Who knew Sheila was even there? SMH
Same for Lance. I want to know how they suspect Sheila because anyone who tipped them off had to be an eyewitness. Because, seriously, who makes something like that up? Who would even 2 and 2 together something like that? Mary? And it wasn't Taylor or else should would have been in on this scheme now.
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Didn’t Bill reference the bee death and the doctor going over the ledge when he was talking with Ridge and the FBI guy? Did I imagine that?
No, and that's the problem. They said the FBI and Baker knew that Sheila was a person of interest in these "murders." And I was like, who the hell told them that???? How could they possibly know whether Garvin was "murdered" or fell off his balcony? And as for Lance, was his death even ruled a homicide? I tried to go back to find it on youtube but I can't locate the episodes right now.People say Garvin's family was involved at the time, but they were not up there in that office. Who knew Sheila was even there? SMH
Same for Lance. I want to know how they suspect Sheila because anyone who tipped them off had to be an eyewitness. Because, seriously, who makes something like that up? Who would even 2 and 2 together something like that? Mary? And it wasn't Taylor or else should would have been in on this scheme now.
Lance had interactions with other characters on the show so they could have suspected Sheila.
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Tiqui1999 , 3/27/2023, 9:06PM (400 days ago) @BBDownunder
Didn’t Bill reference the bee death and the doctor going over the ledge when he was talking with Ridge and the FBI guy? Did I imagine that?
No, and that's the problem. They said the FBI and Baker knew that Sheila was a person of interest in these "murders." And I was like, who the hell told them that???? How could they possibly know whether Garvin was "murdered" or fell off his balcony? And as for Lance, was his death even ruled a homicide? I tried to go back to find it on youtube but I can't locate the episodes right now.People say Garvin's family was involved at the time, but they were not up there in that office. Who knew Sheila was even there? SMH
Same for Lance. I want to know how they suspect Sheila because anyone who tipped them off had to be an eyewitness. Because, seriously, who makes something like that up? Who would even 2 and 2 together something like that? Mary? And it wasn't Taylor or else should would have been in on this scheme now.
Lance had interactions with other characters on the show so they could have suspected Sheila.
Who? Who would have "interacted" with him and know that what Sheila knew or be privy to what happened that night? Who would have anything but a rumor just like there might be one that Ridge killed Shane or Taylor killed Morgan's baby? It wasn't like someone was filming and decrying, "Muardauh...."
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Didn’t Bill reference the bee death and the doctor going over the ledge when he was talking with Ridge and the FBI guy? Did I imagine that?
No, and that's the problem. They said the FBI and Baker knew that Sheila was a person of interest in these "murders." And I was like, who the hell told them that???? How could they possibly know whether Garvin was "murdered" or fell off his balcony? And as for Lance, was his death even ruled a homicide? I tried to go back to find it on youtube but I can't locate the episodes right now.People say Garvin's family was involved at the time, but they were not up there in that office. Who knew Sheila was even there? SMH
Same for Lance. I want to know how they suspect Sheila because anyone who tipped them off had to be an eyewitness. Because, seriously, who makes something like that up? Who would even 2 and 2 together something like that? Mary? And it wasn't Taylor or else should would have been in on this scheme now.
As far as I can remember Lance was a little before she kidnapped Amber and shot Braylor. He was the drug dealer Sheila hired to drug Amber and Ziggy is the guy she hired to sleep with her. Her main goal was to have Amber cheat on Rick with Lance so Rick would leave her for Erica/Mary.
The episode with Lance and the bee sis #3855. But it isn't on Youtube yet.
Dr Garvin died sometime in early 1993. The last scene I see from him right now is in episode #1485 (he has scenes with Taylor) in late February 1993. He is still alive. His death must be around #1500 but I can't be more specific.
Correction: Garvin's death was later, more like in 1994. I'm trying to find the episode.
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Liz , 3/27/2023, 9:35PM (400 days ago) @Tiqui1999
Didn’t Bill reference the bee death and the doctor going over the ledge when he was talking with Ridge and the FBI guy? Did I imagine that?
No, and that's the problem. They said the FBI and Baker knew that Sheila was a person of interest in these "murders." And I was like, who the hell told them that???? How could they possibly know whether Garvin was "murdered" or fell off his balcony? And as for Lance, was his death even ruled a homicide? I tried to go back to find it on youtube but I can't locate the episodes right now.People say Garvin's family was involved at the time, but they were not up there in that office. Who knew Sheila was even there? SMH
Same for Lance. I want to know how they suspect Sheila because anyone who tipped them off had to be an eyewitness. Because, seriously, who makes something like that up? Who would even 2 and 2 together something like that? Mary? And it wasn't Taylor or else should would have been in on this scheme now.
Amber was involved in the Lance storyline.
Didn’t Bill reference the bee death and the doctor going over the ledge when he was talking with Ridge and the FBI guy? Did I imagine that?
No, and that's the problem. They said the FBI and Baker knew that Sheila was a person of interest in these "murders." And I was like, who the hell told them that???? How could they possibly know whether Garvin was "murdered" or fell off his balcony? And as for Lance, was his death even ruled a homicide? I tried to go back to find it on youtube but I can't locate the episodes right now.People say Garvin's family was involved at the time, but they were not up there in that office. Who knew Sheila was even there? SMH
Same for Lance. I want to know how they suspect Sheila because anyone who tipped them off had to be an eyewitness. Because, seriously, who makes something like that up? Who would even 2 and 2 together something like that? Mary? And it wasn't Taylor or else should would have been in on this scheme now.
Amber was involved in the Lance storyline.
I'd say Lance was involved in Amber's story, but what does she even know about Lance after her supposedly left town?
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Liz , 3/27/2023, 10:29PM (400 days ago) @Tiqui1999
Didn’t Bill reference the bee death and the doctor going over the ledge when he was talking with Ridge and the FBI guy? Did I imagine that?
No, and that's the problem. They said the FBI and Baker knew that Sheila was a person of interest in these "murders." And I was like, who the hell told them that???? How could they possibly know whether Garvin was "murdered" or fell off his balcony? And as for Lance, was his death even ruled a homicide? I tried to go back to find it on youtube but I can't locate the episodes right now.People say Garvin's family was involved at the time, but they were not up there in that office. Who knew Sheila was even there? SMH
Same for Lance. I want to know how they suspect Sheila because anyone who tipped them off had to be an eyewitness. Because, seriously, who makes something like that up? Who would even 2 and 2 together something like that? Mary? And it wasn't Taylor or else should would have been in on this scheme now.
Amber was involved in the Lance storyline.
I'd say Lance was involved in Amber's story, but what does she even know about Lance after her supposedly left town?
You mentioned above who could have put 2 and 2 together. Maybe it was Amber.
Didn’t Bill reference the bee death and the doctor going over the ledge when he was talking with Ridge and the FBI guy? Did I imagine that?
No, and that's the problem. They said the FBI and Baker knew that Sheila was a person of interest in these "murders." And I was like, who the hell told them that???? How could they possibly know whether Garvin was "murdered" or fell off his balcony? And as for Lance, was his death even ruled a homicide? I tried to go back to find it on youtube but I can't locate the episodes right now.People say Garvin's family was involved at the time, but they were not up there in that office. Who knew Sheila was even there? SMH
Same for Lance. I want to know how they suspect Sheila because anyone who tipped them off had to be an eyewitness. Because, seriously, who makes something like that up? Who would even 2 and 2 together something like that? Mary? And it wasn't Taylor or else should would have been in on this scheme now.
Amber was involved in the Lance storyline.
I'd say Lance was involved in Amber's story, but what does she even know about Lance after her supposedly left town?
You mentioned above who could have put 2 and 2 together. Maybe it was Amber.
I was asking above how Amber would know.
According to this transcript, Lance told Ziggy he was allergic to bees. It was the first thing Sheila learned about him while hiding in the closet of the apartment. If he never mentioned it again, then I don't know how anyone would link that to Sheila. She was in the closet. Ziggy and Lance were there.
tvmegasite.net/transcripts/bb/older/2002/bb-trans-07-19-02.htm
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Lizzy54 , Austria, 3/28/2023, 12:52AM (400 days ago) @Tiqui1999- one person liked this
Sheila being a suspect in these deaths cannot be explained because as far as I know there were no witnesses.
So I suppose the writers just "invented" this, the police always having known she could be a suspect.
It wouldn't be the first re-write of history by Bell and his writers.
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Didn’t Bill reference the bee death and the doctor going over the ledge when he was talking with Ridge and the FBI guy? Did I imagine that?
No, and that's the problem. They said the FBI and Baker knew that Sheila was a person of interest in these "murders." And I was like, who the hell told them that???? How could they possibly know whether Garvin was "murdered" or fell off his balcony? And as for Lance, was his death even ruled a homicide? I tried to go back to find it on youtube but I can't locate the episodes right now.People say Garvin's family was involved at the time, but they were not up there in that office. Who knew Sheila was even there? SMH
Same for Lance. I want to know how they suspect Sheila because anyone who tipped them off had to be an eyewitness. Because, seriously, who makes something like that up? Who would even 2 and 2 together something like that? Mary? And it wasn't Taylor or else should would have been in on this scheme now.
I found it.
Jay's death happened on June 3, 1994. Episode #1809.
Lance's death happened August 5, 2002. Episode #3855
Neither are on Youtube, sadly.
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Liz , 3/27/2023, 9:57PM (400 days ago) @Torval
Didn’t Bill reference the bee death and the doctor going over the ledge when he was talking with Ridge and the FBI guy? Did I imagine that?
No, and that's the problem. They said the FBI and Baker knew that Sheila was a person of interest in these "murders." And I was like, who the hell told them that???? How could they possibly know whether Garvin was "murdered" or fell off his balcony? And as for Lance, was his death even ruled a homicide? I tried to go back to find it on youtube but I can't locate the episodes right now.People say Garvin's family was involved at the time, but they were not up there in that office. Who knew Sheila was even there? SMH
Same for Lance. I want to know how they suspect Sheila because anyone who tipped them off had to be an eyewitness. Because, seriously, who makes something like that up? Who would even 2 and 2 together something like that? Mary? And it wasn't Taylor or else should would have been in on this scheme now.
I found it.Jay's death happened on June 3, 1994. Episode #1809.
Lance's death happened August 5, 2002. Episode #3855Neither are on Youtube, sadly.
Here's the only link I can find to the Lance murder.
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Tiqui1999 , 3/27/2023, 10:19PM (400 days ago) @Torval
edited by Tiqui1999, 3/27/2023, 10:38PM
Didn’t Bill reference the bee death and the doctor going over the ledge when he was talking with Ridge and the FBI guy? Did I imagine that?
No, and that's the problem. They said the FBI and Baker knew that Sheila was a person of interest in these "murders." And I was like, who the hell told them that???? How could they possibly know whether Garvin was "murdered" or fell off his balcony? And as for Lance, was his death even ruled a homicide? I tried to go back to find it on youtube but I can't locate the episodes right now.People say Garvin's family was involved at the time, but they were not up there in that office. Who knew Sheila was even there? SMH
Same for Lance. I want to know how they suspect Sheila because anyone who tipped them off had to be an eyewitness. Because, seriously, who makes something like that up? Who would even 2 and 2 together something like that? Mary? And it wasn't Taylor or else should would have been in on this scheme now.
I found it.Jay's death happened on June 3, 1994. Episode #1809.
Lance's death happened August 5, 2002. Episode #3855Neither are on Youtube, sadly.
Mike knew about Dr. Garvin:
Mike said he didn't kill people, and Sheila says she didn't, either. According to Chen, Sheila has been a person of interest for "some time," so I don't think it was from Mike. Especially given this conversation. And if James was the last person seen at the office, why would they suspect Sheila?
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Didn’t Bill reference the bee death and the doctor going over the ledge when he was talking with Ridge and the FBI guy? Did I imagine that?
No, and that's the problem. They said the FBI and Baker knew that Sheila was a person of interest in these "murders." And I was like, who the hell told them that???? How could they possibly know whether Garvin was "murdered" or fell off his balcony? And as for Lance, was his death even ruled a homicide? I tried to go back to find it on youtube but I can't locate the episodes right now.People say Garvin's family was involved at the time, but they were not up there in that office. Who knew Sheila was even there? SMH
Same for Lance. I want to know how they suspect Sheila because anyone who tipped them off had to be an eyewitness. Because, seriously, who makes something like that up? Who would even 2 and 2 together something like that? Mary? And it wasn't Taylor or else should would have been in on this scheme now.
Well, there HAD to be some sort of receptionist or SOMEONE else up there outside his office and someone MUST have seen Sheila enter and leave. So…
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Tiqui1999 , 3/28/2023, 2:16PM (399 days ago) @The OTHER Forrester
Didn’t Bill reference the bee death and the doctor going over the ledge when he was talking with Ridge and the FBI guy? Did I imagine that?
No, and that's the problem. They said the FBI and Baker knew that Sheila was a person of interest in these "murders." And I was like, who the hell told them that???? How could they possibly know whether Garvin was "murdered" or fell off his balcony? And as for Lance, was his death even ruled a homicide? I tried to go back to find it on youtube but I can't locate the episodes right now.People say Garvin's family was involved at the time, but they were not up there in that office. Who knew Sheila was even there? SMH
Same for Lance. I want to know how they suspect Sheila because anyone who tipped them off had to be an eyewitness. Because, seriously, who makes something like that up? Who would even 2 and 2 together something like that? Mary? And it wasn't Taylor or else should would have been in on this scheme now.
Well, there HAD to be some sort of receptionist or SOMEONE else up there outside his office and someone MUST have seen Sheila enter and leave. So…
Not according to what she told Mike. But Mike might be in on it, too. I guess everyone is. Taylor is probably in on it.
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Tiqui1999 , 3/27/2023, 11:03PM (400 days ago) @GracieGirl
edited by Tiqui1999, 3/27/2023, 11:07PM
Didn’t Bill reference the bee death and the doctor going over the ledge when he was talking with Ridge and the FBI guy? Did I imagine that?
Here is what the Coroner said about Lance:
tvmegasite.net/transcripts/bb/older/2002/bb-trans-08-06-02.htm
Coroner #1: Official cause of death, asphyxiation.
Coroner #2: Brought on by bee stings.
Cop #1: He shouldn't have stopped his allergy shots.
Coroner #1: Should have had an adrenaline kit. Although, with this many stings, who knows if it would've saved him.
Cop #2: Well, I can't believe he was sleeping with the windows open with no screens. I mean, that's like an engraved invitation to the bugs, right? It's a good thing the neighbor called about hearing some noises here last night. Otherwise, who knows how long this guy would have been lying here.
Amber: What's going on here?
Cop #1: I'll ask the questions, ma'am. Who are you?
Amber: Amber Forrester. Where's Lance?
Cop #1: You a friend of his?
Amber: I really need to talk to him. Do you know where he is?
Coroner #1: Uh, ms. Forrester, he's right here.
Amber: Dead?
Amber: What happened?
Coroner #1: It appears a swarm of bees got into the room and stung your friend.
Coroner #2: We found honey on his t-shirt. That could have attracted them.
Amber: And they killed him?
Cop #1: Well, we found a medical alert card saying that he was allergic to their stings.
Amber: Oh, my god!
Cop #2: I'm sorry, Mrs. Forrester. Whatever you needed to talk to him about, it's -- it's not gonna happen now.
Amber: I know. Oh, god. What am I gonna do now?
So they didn't even rule his death a homicide.
At the end of the episode, Ziggy asks if Sheila had something to do with it, but she insisted it was an accident. I don't know what ever happened to him.
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Didn’t Bill reference the bee death and the doctor going over the ledge when he was talking with Ridge and the FBI guy? Did I imagine that?
Here is what the Coroner said about Lance:tvmegasite.net/transcripts/bb/older/2002/bb-trans-08-06-02.htm
Coroner #1: Official cause of death, asphyxiation.
Coroner #2: Brought on by bee stings.
Cop #1: He shouldn't have stopped his allergy shots.
Coroner #1: Should have had an adrenaline kit. Although, with this many stings, who knows if it would've saved him.
Cop #2: Well, I can't believe he was sleeping with the windows open with no screens. I mean, that's like an engraved invitation to the bugs, right? It's a good thing the neighbor called about hearing some noises here last night. Otherwise, who knows how long this guy would have been lying here.
Amber: What's going on here?
Cop #1: I'll ask the questions, ma'am. Who are you?
Amber: Amber Forrester. Where's Lance?
Cop #1: You a friend of his?
Amber: I really need to talk to him. Do you know where he is?
Coroner #1: Uh, ms. Forrester, he's right here.
Amber: Dead?
Amber: What happened?
Coroner #1: It appears a swarm of bees got into the room and stung your friend.
Coroner #2: We found honey on his t-shirt. That could have attracted them.
Amber: And they killed him?
Cop #1: Well, we found a medical alert card saying that he was allergic to their stings.
Amber: Oh, my god!
Cop #2: I'm sorry, Mrs. Forrester. Whatever you needed to talk to him about, it's -- it's not gonna happen now.
Amber: I know. Oh, god. What am I gonna do now?
So they didn't even rule his death a homicide.
At the end of the episode, Ziggy asks if Sheila had something to do with it, but she insisted it was an accident. I don't know what ever happened to him.
Pretty sure Garvin was ruled a suicide at the time. None of it really makes sense. I can't decide if this purposely makes no sense and there is some crazy twist coming or if the writing is just this bad.
Bill was acting strange before Sheila even came into the picture, chasing after both Katie & Brooke interchangeably. He really seemed close to a breakdown. Are we just supposed to forget about that?
Why did Bill go to the prison to ask Sheila if these feelings were real if he was conning her from the beginning?
Bill & Sheila had sex in the living room. They made a point of showing it. It was the only sex scene they had, and they woke up on the floor naked. Did they capture it on film?
The FBI uses these kinds of resources on none Federal cases? None Federal cases that happened decades ago and weren't even ruled homicides?
They would allow Bill to bribe a judge and Mike, plus blackmail Steffy and Finn.
They overlooked both Bill & Taylor's attempted murders.
Ridge, a civilian participating in surveillance.
Building this entire sting around the idea that Bill would magically get a confession from Sheila.
Sheila confesses everything to Bill after already having suspicions about him, plus telling Deacon (& the audience) a few weeks ago that Bill was driving her crazy and that her feelings for him were nothing like the ones for Deacon.
That Sheila would give such a detailed confession....
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Maybe the judge was not bribed. He is in on it.
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Maybe the judge was not bribed. He is in on it.
I thought from some of the conversations that the judge wasn't bribed but was in on everything.
Maybe the judge was not bribed. He is in on it.
I thought from some of the conversations that the judge wasn't bribed but was in on everything.
Everyone is in on it but Katie, Brooke, Liam, Wyatt, Hope, Steffy and Finn. That's what I think. Even Zende and Thomas are probably in on it. 
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Maybe the judge was not bribed. He is in on it.
Well, then, let's add to my list of things that don't make sense. They made a point of showing Bill bribing the judge. Watching the hearing from a private room, then meeting with him after and thanking him and having the judge thank him for allowing his family to use his yacht. And the wink and nod regarding the evidence Bill provided. None of that was necessary. If the judge was just in on it. No one else was in the room.
It's TV. I don't expect it all to be realistic. I can suspend disbelief, but this writing is so lazy and ridiculous.
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Tiqui1999 , 3/28/2023, 2:23PM (399 days ago) @B&Bfan1980
Maybe the judge was not bribed. He is in on it.
Well, then, let's add to my list of things that don't make sense. They made a point of showing Bill bribing the judge. Watching the hearing from a private room, then meeting with him after and thanking him and having the judge thank him for allowing his family to use his yacht. And the wink and nod regarding the evidence Bill provided. None of that was necessary. If the judge was just in on it. No one else was in the room.It's TV. I don't expect it all to be realistic. I can suspend disbelief, but this writing is so lazy and ridiculous.
Ridge. It was just a trick. The writers have to resort to tricking us all the time to make their plots work. I don't like that.
I’m confused about todays bee death confession
Maybe the judge was not bribed. He is in on it.
Well, then, let's add to my list of things that don't make sense. They made a point of showing Bill bribing the judge. Watching the hearing from a private room, then meeting with him after and thanking him and having the judge thank him for allowing his family to use his yacht. And the wink and nod regarding the evidence Bill provided. None of that was necessary. If the judge was just in on it. No one else was in the room.It's TV. I don't expect it all to be realistic. I can suspend disbelief, but this writing is so lazy and ridiculous.
Ridge. It was just a trick. The writers have to resort to tricking us all the time to make their plots work. I don't like that.
Making bill and ridge spies was absolutely ridiculous …the writers need help