Chasing Destiny (General)
takerkid 
, 10/2/2022, 11:44PM (585 days ago)
Ridge has spent so much of his life chasing destiny with Brooke but it's always been elusive. I can't speak to his relationship with Caroline I. His relationship with Taylor has always been easy but loving and passionate. He and Caroline II were truly, madly, deeply in love with each other and didn't give a damn what anyone thought. It was a smooth natural chemistry a deep love that didn't feel like a chore. With Brooke it's always a chore, a challenge. I think Ridge has convinced himself of this whole "destiny" thing and feels some kind of compulsion to try and make it happen. Maybe he's finally realizing that they're not "destiny", that though they love each other, they've been chasing an illusion, trying to live up to everyone else's expectations, and it's time to give it up. At that point he would be free to accept that Taylor's the woman for him and always has been.
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matisse, 10/3/2022, 12:21AM (585 days ago) @takerkid- 4 people liked this![[O]](themes/modern/images/score_1.svg "Popular Comment")
Ridge has spent so much of his life chasing destiny with Brooke but it's always been elusive. I can't speak to his relationship with Caroline I. His relationship with Taylor has always been easy but loving and passionate. He and Caroline II were truly, madly, deeply in love with each other and didn't give a damn what anyone thought. It was a smooth natural chemistry a deep love that didn't feel like a chore. With Brooke it's always a chore, a challenge. I think Ridge has convinced himself of this whole "destiny" thing and feels some kind of compulsion to try and make it happen. Maybe he's finally realizing that they're not "destiny", that though they love each other, they've been chasing an illusion, trying to live up to everyone else's expectations, and it's time to give it up. At that point he would be free to accept that Taylor's the woman for him and always has been.
There was nothing easy about his deal with Caroline II. It started off with him using her to get at Rick. Then using her to have hand sex with him so he could get his creative mojo back, then it was them cheating on her husband, Rick, then Rick shooting at them. Then they dated, got engaged, she said she wanted a baby NOW, he said I never want another baby again, let's live in the moment (his go-to move the last 7 years), he tells her to move on, she runs to a hotel and takes pills, tells Tom where to find her, they get drunk together, then screw, she is knocked up. Ridge got snipped years before. He lied to her about it. Then Brooke had to talk him into telling her. Then she found out she was pregnant by Tom and had to tell Ridge. So there was not one thing romantic or easy or organic about that twisted May/December pairing. And ironically, she told her new husband Ridge she was knocked up by his son, exactly 7 years ago today. LOL. And, if you go back and watch the show on youtube....Ridge actually said this line...."didn't know, couldn't tell you were out of it on pills? What kind of man does that?"....And the answer would be, YOU RIDGE, you are that kind of man. YOU raped an unconscious Brooke who was out of it on pills, and the last coherent thing she said to you, was "go home Ridge"....and the last thing she said at all was ..."Ridge...what are you doing...no" LOL
Oh and then there was the part where Tom punches him in the nose and tells him he is sick of his ego, and sick of his always being caught up in the drama of Brooke AND Taylor. LOL. He told Ridge he was a lousy father, and not because of Brooke, but because of his ego and never being a loving dad.
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Ridge has spent so much of his life chasing destiny with Brooke but it's always been elusive. I can't speak to his relationship with Caroline I. His relationship with Taylor has always been easy but loving and passionate. He and Caroline II were truly, madly, deeply in love with each other and didn't give a damn what anyone thought. It was a smooth natural chemistry a deep love that didn't feel like a chore. With Brooke it's always a chore, a challenge. I think Ridge has convinced himself of this whole "destiny" thing and feels some kind of compulsion to try and make it happen. Maybe he's finally realizing that they're not "destiny", that though they love each other, they've been chasing an illusion, trying to live up to everyone else's expectations, and it's time to give it up. At that point he would be free to accept that Taylor's the woman for him and always has been.
There was nothing easy about his deal with Caroline II. It started off with him using her to get at Rick. Then using her to have hand sex with him so he could get his creative mojo back, then it was them cheating on her husband, Rick, then Rick shooting at them. Then they dated, got engaged, she said she wanted a baby NOW, he said I never want another baby again, let's live in the moment (his go-to move the last 7 years), he tells her to move on, she runs to a hotel and takes pills, tells Tom where to find her, they get drunk together, then screw, she is knocked up. Ridge got snipped years before. He lied to her about it. Then Brooke had to talk him into telling her. Then she found out she was pregnant by Tom and had to tell Ridge. So there was not one thing romantic or easy or organic about that twisted May/December pairing. And ironically, she told her new husband Ridge she was knocked up by his son, exactly 7 years ago today. LOL. And, if you go back and watch the show on youtube....Ridge actually said this line...."didn't know, couldn't tell you were out of it on pills? What kind of man does that?"....And the answer would be, YOU RIDGE, you are that kind of man. YOU raped an unconscious Brooke who was out of it on pills, and the last coherent thing she said to you, was "go home Ridge"....and the last thing she said at all was ..."Ridge...what are you doing...no" LOLOh and then there was the part where Tom punches him in the nose and tells him he is sick of his ego, and sick of his always being caught up in the drama of Brooke AND Taylor. LOL. He told Ridge he was a lousy father, and not because of Brooke, but because of his ego and never being a loving dad.
Completely agree - their relationship may have started out hot and heavy despite all the cheating etc. but Caroline was a shell of herself by the end of it; Ridge was a controlling nightmare and imo it was nothing BUT a chore for at least half of their time together.
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takerkid , 10/3/2022, 2:39AM (585 days ago) @matisse
The man had lost ability to draw. That was a major deal. Caroline helped regain it. It didn't start off as something dirty. It was an act of kindness on Caroline's part. It did blossom into something else and Rick got hurt. Once Ridge and Caroline got together it was good. What Thomas did was a crime. Caroline had made it clear she didn't want him. She was completely out of it and unable to consent yet he crawled into bed with her. The point was there was no question that Caridge loved each other and wasn't trying to live up to an outside expectation
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The man had lost ability to draw. That was a major deal. Caroline helped regain it. It didn't start off as something dirty. It was an act of kindness on Caroline's part. It did blossom into something else and Rick got hurt. Once Ridge and Caroline got together it was good. What Thomas did was a crime. Caroline had made it clear she didn't want him. She was completely out of it and unable to consent yet he crawled into bed with her. The point was there was no question that Caridge loved each other and wasn't trying to live up to an outside expectation
His lost ability to draw did not give him some magic right to move in on his little brothers wife. That made their whole relationship, dirty. If he and Caroline had fallen in love first, then maybe, but Ridge set out to use her to get to Rick, and even said it. I don't think what Tom did was a crime and it was completely different than Ridge raping Brooke. Caroline GAVE Tom her location at a hotel. Caroline did not tell him she was high on pills. Caroline did not ask him to leave, and think he did leave. Caroline drank with him willingly. She had her eyes open and kissed him back. She did not say no, and he had no idea she had taken Xanax or whatever. Brooke was in her own home and told Ridge to leave. She thought he had left. She was unconscious when he came upstairs, took off his clothes and got in bed with her. No one was drinking. She came around a little and said "Ridge, what are you doing" in a groggy voice, and he said "relax Logan" and then she says the word "no" and passes out. Not saying Caroline wasn't impaired, she was, but so was Tom, and they drank mutually together. A man or woman cannot cry foul, when no one told anyone to leave, and both get drunk together and have sex. In that vain, couldn't Tom say Caroline took advantage of him in his impaired state, too?
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takerkid , 10/3/2022, 2:11PM (584 days ago) @matisse
While she was still coherent she made it crystal clear to Thomas that she didn't want him. Yes they drank together but Caroline wasn't just drunk. The combination of pills and wine in her system basically acted as a sedative and rendered unable to consent. Thomas level of intoxication has no bearing on Caroline being able to consent to sex or not.
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It did not start out that innocent. I remember Ridge thinking it would be great to use his charm on Caroline to cause problems. He did the same thing to Quinn.
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takerkid , 10/3/2022, 2:14PM (584 days ago) @GracieGirl
That only happened after Rick blew up and made a fuss about Ridge not being able to draw and getting help from Caroline. Eric foolishly decided that was the time for him to step down as CEO and Ridge got desperate. Just as quickly he got burned by his desperation and fell in love with Caroline.
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dxdobson, 10/3/2022, 12:26AM (585 days ago) @takerkid- 3 people liked this
Whether or not Brooke is Ridge’s “destiny”, we know it’s not Taylor because Destiny is not force fed, tricked, badgered, coerced. It doesn’t leave so that half of it sits in jail
Caroline 2 was a mid life crisis. Caroline was a fickle woman. Actually her destiny was probably Rick but she let Ridge use her. She started having feelings for Thomas. It was just a hot flash!
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Whether or not Brooke is Ridge’s “destiny”, we know it’s not Taylor because Destiny is not force fed, tricked, badgered, coerced. It doesn’t leave so that half of it sits in jail
Caroline 2 was a mid life crisis. Caroline was a fickle woman. Actually her destiny was probably Rick but she let Ridge use her. She started having feelings for Thomas. It was just a hot flash!
I actually just went back and read the transcripts from those shows....the stuff being thrown around was a hoot. Ridge asking what kind of man takes advantage of a woman on pills....why you do Ridge. LOL. Tom punching him in the nose for being a demanding, egotistical maniac that was never concerned about his son, just about Brooke AND Taylor. Yup, Tom lumped the old lady in there too, with Brooke.
Ridge LIED to Caroline about getting snipped, until Brooke shamed him into telling her the truth. So, old Ridge is NOT above telling lies to someone he supposedly loves. Yet here we are, him being all butt hurt because he thinks Brooke is lying to him.
Ridge stole his own grandson from his son, poor Tom was not even allowed at the birth of his own child. And here is Ridge, all over making sure Tom gets the kid from Hope now. AND, Katie it the one that had to tell Tom about his child, Ridge would have lied to him forever, or until Caroline II died of cancer, then he might have told Tom, because he would not need the kid anymore to keep Caroline on a leash.
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Whether or not Brooke is Ridge’s “destiny”, we know it’s not Taylor because Destiny is not force fed, tricked, badgered, coerced. It doesn’t leave so that half of it sits in jail
Caroline 2 was a mid life crisis. Caroline was a fickle woman. Actually her destiny was probably Rick but she let Ridge use her. She started having feelings for Thomas. It was just a hot flash!
I actually just went back and read the transcripts from those shows....the stuff being thrown around was a hoot. Ridge asking what kind of man takes advantage of a woman on pills....why you do Ridge. LOL. Tom punching him in the nose for being a demanding, egotistical maniac that was never concerned about his son, just about Brooke AND Taylor. Yup, Tom lumped the old lady in there too, with Brooke.Ridge LIED to Caroline about getting snipped, until Brooke shamed him into telling her the truth. So, old Ridge is NOT above telling lies to someone he supposedly loves. Yet here we are, him being all butt hurt because he thinks Brooke is lying to him.
Ridge stole his own grandson from his son, poor Tom was not even allowed at the birth of his own child. And here is Ridge, all over making sure Tom gets the kid from Hope now. AND, Katie it the one that had to tell Tom about his child, Ridge would have lied to him forever, or until Caroline II died of cancer, then he might have told Tom, because he would not need the kid anymore to keep Caroline on a leash.
Didn't Caroline II die from an unexpected blood clot and not cancer? Caroline I died from some type of cancer, I think.
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Whether or not Brooke is Ridge’s “destiny”, we know it’s not Taylor because Destiny is not force fed, tricked, badgered, coerced. It doesn’t leave so that half of it sits in jail
Caroline 2 was a mid life crisis. Caroline was a fickle woman. Actually her destiny was probably Rick but she let Ridge use her. She started having feelings for Thomas. It was just a hot flash!
I actually just went back and read the transcripts from those shows....the stuff being thrown around was a hoot. Ridge asking what kind of man takes advantage of a woman on pills....why you do Ridge. LOL. Tom punching him in the nose for being a demanding, egotistical maniac that was never concerned about his son, just about Brooke AND Taylor. Yup, Tom lumped the old lady in there too, with Brooke.Ridge LIED to Caroline about getting snipped, until Brooke shamed him into telling her the truth. So, old Ridge is NOT above telling lies to someone he supposedly loves. Yet here we are, him being all butt hurt because he thinks Brooke is lying to him.
Ridge stole his own grandson from his son, poor Tom was not even allowed at the birth of his own child. And here is Ridge, all over making sure Tom gets the kid from Hope now. AND, Katie it the one that had to tell Tom about his child, Ridge would have lied to him forever, or until Caroline II died of cancer, then he might have told Tom, because he would not need the kid anymore to keep Caroline on a leash.
Didn't Caroline II die from an unexpected blood clot and not cancer? Caroline I died from some type of cancer, I think.
IDK, she was fake dying from something, then she was really dead. I just don't remember. LOL
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Whether or not Brooke is Ridge’s “destiny”, we know it’s not Taylor because Destiny is not force fed, tricked, badgered, coerced. It doesn’t leave so that half of it sits in jail
Caroline 2 was a mid life crisis. Caroline was a fickle woman. Actually her destiny was probably Rick but she let Ridge use her. She started having feelings for Thomas. It was just a hot flash!
I actually just went back and read the transcripts from those shows....the stuff being thrown around was a hoot. Ridge asking what kind of man takes advantage of a woman on pills....why you do Ridge. LOL. Tom punching him in the nose for being a demanding, egotistical maniac that was never concerned about his son, just about Brooke AND Taylor. Yup, Tom lumped the old lady in there too, with Brooke.Ridge LIED to Caroline about getting snipped, until Brooke shamed him into telling her the truth. So, old Ridge is NOT above telling lies to someone he supposedly loves. Yet here we are, him being all butt hurt because he thinks Brooke is lying to him.
Ridge stole his own grandson from his son, poor Tom was not even allowed at the birth of his own child. And here is Ridge, all over making sure Tom gets the kid from Hope now. AND, Katie it the one that had to tell Tom about his child, Ridge would have lied to him forever, or until Caroline II died of cancer, then he might have told Tom, because he would not need the kid anymore to keep Caroline on a leash.
Didn't Caroline II die from an unexpected blood clot and not cancer? Caroline I died from some type of cancer, I think.
IDK, she was fake dying from something, then she was really dead. I just don't remember. LOL
Thanks. I didn't remember about the fake dying.
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Kammie , 10/3/2022, 4:48PM (584 days ago) @BellaSole
Yeah, that was when Steffy and Bill colluded to get Thomas away from Sally. At first Caroline didnt know what they told Thomas, but she did eventually found out and went along with their lies. She came clean once she had Thomas in NY. Thomas was angry and came back and got Sally..., The next time we saw Caroline she was at Bill's bedside wanting to strangle him because she lost Thomas because of "Bill's" lies...
. Um Caroline, that lie became her lie when she went along with Bill and Steffy's manipulations instead of telling Thomas the truth the moment she found out.
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takerkid , 10/3/2022, 2:40AM (585 days ago) @dxdobson
Caroline never had feelings for Thomas. She was trying to create this illusion of a family for Douglas hence only ever referring to Thomas as "the father of her child".
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Caroline never had feelings for Thomas. She was trying to create this illusion of a family for Douglas hence only ever referring to Thomas as "the father of her child".
Why did she go along with the scheme she was fake dying to get him away from Sally, if she never had feelings for him? She was home free away from him, so why go along with the lie?
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LiveThroughThis, 10/3/2022, 12:41AM (585 days ago) @takerkid- 3 people liked this
Ridge has spent so much of his life chasing destiny with Brooke but it's always been elusive. I can't speak to his relationship with Caroline I. His relationship with Taylor has always been easy but loving and passionate. He and Caroline II were truly, madly, deeply in love with each other and didn't give a damn what anyone thought. It was a smooth natural chemistry a deep love that didn't feel like a chore. With Brooke it's always a chore, a challenge. I think Ridge has convinced himself of this whole "destiny" thing and feels some kind of compulsion to try and make it happen. Maybe he's finally realizing that they're not "destiny", that though they love each other, they've been chasing an illusion, trying to live up to everyone else's expectations, and it's time to give it up. At that point he would be free to accept that Taylor's the woman for him and always has been.
Pfft - what I wouldn’t give for RJ to come back and harass Ridge nonstop the way Steffy and Thomas do, then we can talk about Tridge’s “easy” relationship. RJ can rant and rave about how Taylor cheated on Ridge, that she slept with his whole family, kissed a guy in their bedroom while wearing lingerie and don’t forget she killed Ridge’s sister in law then hooked up with her widower while keeping it secret, sending Ridge’s niece insane. Bonus points if he finds out she shot Bill and he tells the press, plus lets the press know about things like buying a baby and stealing medical files- then RJ can rant and rave about how scandalous Taylor is, too.
If Taylor was "the woman for him and always has been" why would it be so difficult for Steffy and Tom to force them together?
Steffy has been whining about daddy has to be with mommy for more than 10 months now, whenever she and Ridge were in the same room she acted like a broken record "Mommy is the woman for you, wah wah wah..." while Tom, like a good little parrot, repeated it.
If you have to fight so hard, lie, rant, break into security systems, connive, scheme and plot to make your father finally "choose mommy" mommy certainly cannot be destiny for daddy.
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takerkid , 10/3/2022, 2:49AM (585 days ago) @Lizzy54
That's my whole point though. Ridge has been chasing this illusion of him and Brooke being "destiny" this entire time. He's genuinely happier, more relaxed, and more likeable around Taylor but he's so tied to the idea that Brooke is his "destiny" he feels compelled to be with her. I'm not saying he doesn't love Brooke just that he's lost perspective and has bought into the notion of their relationship being more grandiose than it actually is.
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BellaSole, Beverly Hills, California, 10/3/2022, 4:10AM (585 days ago) @takerkid- 3 people liked this
That's my whole point though. Ridge has been chasing this illusion of him and Brooke being "destiny" this entire time. He's genuinely happier, more relaxed, and more likeable around Taylor but he's so tied to the idea that Brooke is his "destiny" he feels compelled to be with her. I'm not saying he doesn't love Brooke just that he's lost perspective and has bought into the notion of their relationship being more grandiose than it actually is.
I don't buy Taylor being Ridge's destiny at all. Even when they were both single and living in Paris, Ridge didn't give her a second thought. I think Ridge cares about Taylor, but he's just not that into her. That's been clear.
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That's my whole point though. Ridge has been chasing this illusion of him and Brooke being "destiny" this entire time. He's genuinely happier, more relaxed, and more likeable around Taylor but he's so tied to the idea that Brooke is his "destiny" he feels compelled to be with her. I'm not saying he doesn't love Brooke just that he's lost perspective and has bought into the notion of their relationship being more grandiose than it actually is.
I don't buy Taylor being Ridge's destiny at all. Even when they were both single and living in Paris, Ridge didn't give her a second thought. I think Ridge cares about Taylor, but he's just not that into her. That's been clear.
It is getting ready to be clearer this week too. He gives Brooke another chance to come clean, and then is heartbroken with her answer. I can tell you unequivocally, that if I was in love with another, and my husband gave me an out, I would not be heartbroken, or even ask the question a second time that got me out. Ridge does not want to walk away from Brooke, but pride goeth before a fall. Ridge will walk away because his panties are all knotted and his pride is bruised that his wife did not do as he asked. And, because Ridge is weak, and cannot stand his own company, he will go running to Big Mamma T, his old ex-wife. He knows SHE is a sure thing.
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That's my whole point though. Ridge has been chasing this illusion of him and Brooke being "destiny" this entire time. He's genuinely happier, more relaxed, and more likeable around Taylor but he's so tied to the idea that Brooke is his "destiny" he feels compelled to be with her. I'm not saying he doesn't love Brooke just that he's lost perspective and has bought into the notion of their relationship being more grandiose than it actually is.
I don't buy Taylor being Ridge's destiny at all. Even when they were both single and living in Paris, Ridge didn't give her a second thought. I think Ridge cares about Taylor, but he's just not that into her. That's been clear.
It is getting ready to be clearer this week too. He gives Brooke another chance to come clean, and then is heartbroken with her answer. I can tell you unequivocally, that if I was in love with another, and my husband gave me an out, I would not be heartbroken, or even ask the question a second time that got me out. Ridge does not want to walk away from Brooke, but pride goeth before a fall. Ridge will walk away because his panties are all knotted and his pride is bruised that his wife did not do as he asked. And, because Ridge is weak, and cannot stand his own company, he will go running to Big Mamma T, his old ex-wife. He knows SHE is a sure thing.
The guy deserves to be alone, but given the choice of Ridge being alone or Ridge hurting Taylor yet again, I'll go for him hurting Taylor yet again. It won't happen in Aspen, but we all know it will happen eventually. Ridge will leave Taylor and go straight back to Brooke, if she'll have him.
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krort , 10/3/2022, 2:30PM (584 days ago) @matisse
matisse said:<<<<<he knows SHE is a sure thing.>>>>
And yes as proved today, despite the time delay of more than a year since coming back she is going to run now to Aspen to "think" and get her head on straight. She KNOWS she is not Ridge's destiny so why all this fuss, just leave.
And of course, busy as Steffy is at the office being CEO and two small children at home, she leaves them to fly off on a whim to hold her mommie's hand and tuck her in bed for Ridge to find in Aspen. What is wrong with this picture?
Wanda
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takerkid , 10/3/2022, 2:09PM (584 days ago) @BellaSole
I've never called Taylor his "destiny". I hate that word. This show seriously overuses it. I said that he loves Taylor and he's happiest with her but he's so wrapped in the illusion of him and Brooke being "destiny" he's lost perspective.
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Lizzy54 , Austria, 10/3/2022, 5:02AM (585 days ago) @takerkid- one person liked this
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That's my whole point though. Ridge has been chasing this illusion of him and Brooke being "destiny" this entire time. He's genuinely happier, more relaxed, and more likeable around Taylor but he's so tied to the idea that Brooke is his "destiny" he feels compelled to be with her. I'm not saying he doesn't love Brooke just that he's lost perspective and has bought into the notion of their relationship being more grandiose than it actually is.
But is he really happier? I mean, they constantly are saying to him that he is happier, over and over, without end. But is he? Most of the time he looks befuddled and not so happy when they are bashing him over the head about how happy he is. LOL. He looks happy when the little kids are around. He looks happy that his daughter has a husband that adores her. But, is that enough? Here is what I saw happen the last 10 months. A wedge was put between Brooke and Ridge by Sheila on NYE, then Taylor and the Brats saw their chance, took a hammer, and have been pounding it like John Henry, the steel-driving man, only in this case, they are The Hamilton's, the STEAL-driving Gang. Every single time any one of them is with Ridge it is POUND, POUND, POUND over his head. Brooke is bad, Taylor is good, you are not happy with Brooke, you are happy with Mom. Ridge is already a weak man, so he cannot hold up long under that onslaught. I am amazed he has held up this long. So, happier with the Hamilton Gang? I don't think so, I just think the guy has been tortured so long by them, he is ready to confess and just get things moving along, so he can get to his cot and 3 squares a day, and not have to be sweated out 24/7 by the Hamilton's.
I have been wondering something. When everything shakes out, and if Ridge goes back to Brooke, why won't there be happy times with "the family" anymore? Is Steffy going to deny Ridge time with her and her kids? Will she stop wanting Forrester dinners at Eric's home just because her dad did not do her bidding? Will Taylor wimp out again and go hide because she cannot bear to see Ridge happy with Brooke? Or will she suck it up, and be a part of the family, that includes Brooke? Like it or not, these idiots must come to terms with the FACT that Brooke is their family too, because she is the mother to their bio-brother, RJ. She is also the mother to 2 of Eric's children. The grandmother to ALL of the current children on the show, except Hayes. Brooke is more a member of the Forrester family than almost all of them. And definitely right now, she is more a Forrester than Taylor, who is not a Forrester at all.
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That's my whole point though. Ridge has been chasing this illusion of him and Brooke being "destiny" this entire time. He's genuinely happier, more relaxed, and more likeable around Taylor but he's so tied to the idea that Brooke is his "destiny" he feels compelled to be with her. I'm not saying he doesn't love Brooke just that he's lost perspective and has bought into the notion of their relationship being more grandiose than it actually is.
But is he really happier? I mean, they constantly are saying to him that he is happier, over and over, without end. But is he? Most of the time he looks befuddled and not so happy when they are bashing him over the head about how happy he is. LOL. He looks happy when the little kids are around. He looks happy that his daughter has a husband that adores her. But, is that enough? Here is what I saw happen the last 10 months. A wedge was put between Brooke and Ridge by Sheila on NYE, then Taylor and the Brats saw their chance, took a hammer, and have been pounding it like John Henry, the steel-driving man, only in this case, they are The Hamilton's, the STEAL-driving Gang. Every single time any one of them is with Ridge it is POUND, POUND, POUND over his head. Brooke is bad, Taylor is good, you are not happy with Brooke, you are happy with Mom. Ridge is already a weak man, so he cannot hold up long under that onslaught. I am amazed he has held up this long. So, happier with the Hamilton Gang? I don't think so, I just think the guy has been tortured so long by them, he is ready to confess and just get things moving along, so he can get to his cot and 3 squares a day, and not have to be sweated out 24/7 by the Hamilton's.I have been wondering something. When everything shakes out, and if Ridge goes back to Brooke, why won't there be happy times with "the family" anymore? Is Steffy going to deny Ridge time with her and her kids? Will she stop wanting Forrester dinners at Eric's home just because her dad did not do her bidding? Will Taylor wimp out again and go hide because she cannot bear to see Ridge happy with Brooke? Or will she suck it up, and be a part of the family, that includes Brooke? Like it or not, these idiots must come to terms with the FACT that Brooke is their family too, because she is the mother to their bio-brother, RJ. She is also the mother to 2 of Eric's children. The grandmother to ALL of the current children on the show, except Hayes. Brooke is more a member of the Forrester family than almost all of them. And definitely right now, she is more a Forrester than Taylor, who is not a Forrester at all.
How is Brooke Kelly's grandmother? Because Kelly's Liam's and Liam is married to Hope? I've been trying to figure that one out for days! At first I thought it was because Brooke is Steffy's step-mother so is Kelly's step-grandmother, but Hayes is Steffy's, too.
I'm not criticizing you. I think Brooke is more a Forrester than anyone except Eric, Ric, and Bridget and their kids, but I couldn't figure out the grandmother thing. Family relationships are so complicated on this show. I hope the kids never have to make a family tree! LOL
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I don’t understand how Ridge is happier or more relaxed when he looks haggardly. He walks into work, they nag him. He is tricked to have another family night - it’s fun but they start attacking him again.
He’s happy his daughter and son in law are not dead!!! The reason he and Brooke argue us the same reason they argued and he started kissing Shauna. Thomas. Thomas is a schemer and a manipulator and Taylor “wins” with schemes.
That is not destiny.
When he went back home when Brooke hurt her ankle and we thought the story was moving along to Deacon, Ridge looked very happy and relaxed.
No one wants to hurt a person who they had a family with unless they had a horrible relationship, so yes Ridge struggles with hurting Taylor because he knows she is fixated on him.
The only difference between Thomas’ fixation on Hope and Taylor’s on Ridge is Taylor lets other people do the dirty work.
Taylor is a beautiful woman who has grieved for lost relationship for - at least 10 years.
She may win this time. And it may be for good.
She is not interesting now. She allowed her children to browbeat their dad and regardless of the phone call - cause a rift and add anxiety to the man she claims to love.
She’s not smart. Not caring. She is a calculating schemer lije her daughter. She should own it.
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If Taylor was "the woman for him and always has been" why would it be so difficult for Steffy and Tom to force them together?
Steffy has been whining about daddy has to be with mommy for more than 10 months now, whenever she and Ridge were in the same room she acted like a broken record "Mommy is the woman for you, wah wah wah..." while Tom, like a good little parrot, repeated it.
If you have to fight so hard, lie, rant, break into security systems, connive, scheme and plot to make your father finally "choose mommy" mommy certainly cannot be destiny for daddy.
And why did Ridge bring RJ back to show Brooke how they have to be a family? He wasn't thinking about reuniting his Taylor family then. He wasn't even thinking about Taylor when he wasn't with Brooke.
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There was nothing easy about his relationship with Taylor. She was his rebound 3rd choice from day-1. He only married her after Caroline I's death and only because Brooke was unavailable. He emotionally cheated on Taylor with Brooke for years. He couldn't stop interfering in Brooke's other relationships, pining for Brooke and professing his love for Brooke when he was with Taylor. He knocked up Morgan behind Taylor's back, and he kissed Lauren. Don't even get me started on Taylor who bedded James, kissed Thorne and Hector and lied about it. Killed his SIL and lied about it. Tried to steal his baby and lied about it. Covered up, benefited from and thanked Stephanie's crap. And then there is all the ugly history of lies and manipulations that brought them together. If Ridge loved Taylor so much, he wouldn't have married Brooke twice so quickly after her death.
Caroline II? Sure he loved her, but not like he loved Brooke. At the end of the day, Ridge is the one who CHOSE to end this marriage. He served Caroline with divorce papers overnight and decided to chase after Brooke and when she was with Bill. He didn't pine for Caroline at all, once they were done. If his feelings for Caroline were that strong, he would have tried harder to make it work. He was hardly sad when she died. He sure didn't look like someone who lost his destiny at Caroline's funerals. He was too busy turning down Taylor's desperate attempt to kiss him and tell her he was in love with Brooke.
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There was nothing easy about his relationship with Taylor. She was his rebound 3rd choice from day-1. He only married her after Caroline I's death and only because Brooke was unavailable. He emotionally cheated on Taylor with Brooke for years. He couldn't stop interfering in Brooke's other relationships, pining for Brooke and professing his love for Brooke when he was with Taylor. He knocked up Morgan behind Taylor's back, and he kissed Lauren. Don't even get me started on Taylor who bedded James, kissed Thorne and Hector and lied about it. Killed his SIL and lied about it. Tried to steal his baby and lied about it. Covered up, benefited from and thanked Stephanie's crap. And then there is all the ugly history of lies and manipulations that brought them together. If Ridge loved Taylor so much, he wouldn't have married Brooke twice so quickly after her death.
Caroline II? Sure he loved her, but not like he loved Brooke. At the end of the day, Ridge is the one who CHOSE to end this marriage. He served Caroline with divorce papers overnight and decided to chase after Brooke and when she was with Bill. He didn't pine for Caroline at all, once they were done. If his feelings for Caroline were that strong, he would have tried harder to make it work. He was hardly sad when she died. He sure didn't look like someone who lost his destiny at Caroline's funerals. He was too busy turning down Taylor's desperate attempt to kiss him and tell her he was in love with Brooke.
Your last line has me intrigued. I must have been otherwise engaged during the Caroline II funeral, I don't even remember it. But, I would like to go and watch Taylor trying to make out with Ridge and him telling her to leave him alone. LOL.
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Watch these episodes on Youtube. They were uploaded in April this year. Caroline's funerals start at #8049 until #8054. Those were Hunter Tylo's final episodes. And Matthew Atkinson's first epsidoes.
At the end of #8052 she basically throws herself at Ridge and he looks disgusted. He certainly isn't kissing her back or crying over Caroline's death.
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Watch these episodes on Youtube. They were uploaded in April this year. Caroline's funerals start at #8049 until #8054. Those were Hunter Tylo's final episodes. And Matthew Atkinson's first epsidoes.
At the end of #8052 she basically throws herself at Ridge and he looks disgusted. He certainly isn't kissing her back or crying over Caroline's death.
Thanks. I just posted the transcript but could not find the episode on youtube. I will use the episode numbers you posted. 
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takerkid , 10/3/2022, 2:20PM (584 days ago) @CBS03-12
First of all the Caridge breakup was the only poorly written part of their love story. It was all based on a misunderstanding that was never cleared up. BB practically wrote Caroline off after that so it's impossible to draw broad conclusions about them pining for each other. Ridge's grief was front and center when Caroline died. I was actually grateful they focused on Ridge's grief and not Thomas's. All that having been said my point is that Ridge loves Brooke but he's lost perspective and believes their love is more grandiose than it actually is.
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Ridge has spent so much of his life chasing destiny with Brooke but it's always been elusive. I can't speak to his relationship with Caroline I. His relationship with Taylor has always been easy but loving and passionate. He and Caroline II were truly, madly, deeply in love with each other and didn't give a damn what anyone thought. It was a smooth natural chemistry a deep love that didn't feel like a chore. With Brooke it's always a chore, a challenge. I think Ridge has convinced himself of this whole "destiny" thing and feels some kind of compulsion to try and make it happen. Maybe he's finally realizing that they're not "destiny", that though they love each other, they've been chasing an illusion, trying to live up to everyone else's expectations, and it's time to give it up. At that point he would be free to accept that Taylor's the woman for him and always has been.
At these peoples age they should be more settled not have toxic days and breakups….it’s not even interesting all these breakups ….Ridge is getting sick of it…he doesn’t even realize juggling two will never give him peace
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Ridge has spent so much of his life chasing destiny with Brooke but it's always been elusive. I can't speak to his relationship with Caroline I. His relationship with Taylor has always been easy but loving and passionate. He and Caroline II were truly, madly, deeply in love with each other and didn't give a damn what anyone thought. It was a smooth natural chemistry a deep love that didn't feel like a chore. With Brooke it's always a chore, a challenge. I think Ridge has convinced himself of this whole "destiny" thing and feels some kind of compulsion to try and make it happen. Maybe he's finally realizing that they're not "destiny", that though they love each other, they've been chasing an illusion, trying to live up to everyone else's expectations, and it's time to give it up. At that point he would be free to accept that Taylor's the woman for him and always has been.
I dont see it. Sorry, but if he loved Tay more, he would have NO problem leaving. He is being harassed and still wont leave
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I remember. Brooke was doing work for FC and couldn’t make it back in time. They had the repast at Brooke and Ridge’s. Taylor had Ridge up against the wall practically and he smiled and told her, just like he is telling her now, but he kind of pushed her gently back and said I will always love you, you’re the mother of my children but I love my wife. She looked embarrassed and Brooke just happened to see them but Ridge didn’t know because he left the room and Taylor was in the front and thanked her for letting Thomas use the house. Brooke told her YW but not to my husband.
Or maybe that’s what I hope Brooke said!!! LOL!!!
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It’s primarily a chore with Brooke because of outside interference. If any of these women had to deal with a Bill-Steffy tag team or Steffy - Thomas or Stephanie, they would have had trouble too.
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It’s primarily a chore with Brooke because of outside interference. If any of these women had to deal with a Bill-Steffy tag team or Steffy - Thomas or Stephanie, they would have had trouble too.
Exactly! Most of Bridge's breakups were caused by other people's manipulations. Tridge never had to deal with that kind of interference by Stephanie or RJ. How can Bridge live in peace when others just won't let them? And why would they let manipulators win over their own destiny?
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Ridge has spent so much of his life chasing destiny with Brooke but it's always been elusive. I can't speak to his relationship with Caroline I. His relationship with Taylor has always been easy but loving and passionate. He and Caroline II were truly, madly, deeply in love with each other and didn't give a damn what anyone thought. It was a smooth natural chemistry a deep love that didn't feel like a chore. With Brooke it's always a chore, a challenge. I think Ridge has convinced himself of this whole "destiny" thing and feels some kind of compulsion to try and make it happen. Maybe he's finally realizing that they're not "destiny", that though they love each other, they've been chasing an illusion, trying to live up to everyone else's expectations, and it's time to give it up. At that point he would be free to accept that Taylor's the woman for him and always has been.
ridge is not a prize and never will be, i see him just as liam and all the woman he emotionally degraded, abused and allowed to suffer FOR HIS OWN SELFISH CHOICES are victims and yes, that includes Brooke and Taylor despite their own immorality. but if taylor is the love of his life, can he hurry up the process and get with her.
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Very well said! Although I don’t know that they’re trying to convince others that they are each other’s destiny but instead are trying to convince themselves. At this point it seems silly for them to talk about it. Maybe it’s not destiny always to get back with each other all the time…maybe it’s just habit.