I do not understand why Brooke has not played the game (General)

matisse, 9/27/2022, 3:04PM (587 days ago)- 4 people liked this[O]

This bugs me on these shows. I admit I am older than most of you, but, I was always taught to slop sugar on someone that considered themselves my enemy. I do not understand why Brooke does not get in the game, and play it. I keep thinking, she should seek out Tom when Ridge is right there and hold out her hand and tell him they should make peace because they both love Ridge. I mean lay it on thick about how they can work together, blah, blah, blah. Keep him close, ask him if he wants to bring Douglas and live with her and Ridge. She needs to beat these Hamilton Monsters at their own game. Maybe out of that will come real forgiveness for Tom and the terrible things he did to her, and to Lope. Who knows? But her current approach is not getting her anywhere except out of a husband she wants to keep.

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GracieGirl, 9/27/2022, 3:10PM (587 days ago) @matisse- 2 people liked this

The show won’t allow her to. The Tridgesters have taken over the show.

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Cendrillon, 9/27/2022, 9:32PM (586 days ago) @GracieGirl

GracieGirl, remember the Logans took over the show for quite some time. I really think Brad Bell is trying to balance the scales again.

Soaps are often cyclical. I feel like the Logans were on top from 2003 till 2021 for nearly 2 decades, after Sheila shot Taylor.

The first 15 years from 1987 till 2002 saw the Forresters and Tridge/Taylor on top for the most part, by contrast.

I think Bell is now going back to THAT era.

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GracieGirl, 9/27/2022, 9:37PM (586 days ago) @Cendrillon- one person liked this

I don’t understand this. Why do people think Logans were on top? What made them on top? Brooke is the only character that gets called out every time. Does she have a secret that everyone doesn’t know about? When did Brooke win? Ridge has walked away from her repeatedly. Her daughter’s child was stolen. Liam treated Hope like dirt. If that’s being on top I don’t want it.

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Cendrillon, 9/27/2022, 10:16PM (586 days ago) @GracieGirl

Brooke has MOSTLY HAD RIDGE for the past 2 decades - her "grand prize" and her alleged "destiny". Taylor has only been with Ridge for about a YEAR TOTAL since she came back from the dead. I see people even here talk all the time about how they may hate Ridge but they WANT Brooke to have him IF SHE WANTS HIM. Well, she's been married to him for the bulk of the past 2 decades.

People keep talking about how Ridge may walk away from her but how he will come back to his "Logan" no matter what, because THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN for the past 16 years after Taylor returned from the dead. In their mind, Brooke and the Logans "won" during the past 2 decades. You may not see it that way, but many people do. They act like the first 15 years of the show from 1987 to 2002 never happened.

Beth being stolen from Hope was only a temporary bump, just like Morgan kidnapping Steffy and trying to raise her in 2001 - letting Taylor and the Forresters think she was dead and YET I count 2001 as one of the years that Taylor was triumphant, just like Hope ULTIMATELY EMERGED triumphant after the Beth switch storyline. And Hope is the one who got Liam again, so that is another Logan Victory - even though I personally think Finn is five hundred times the man Liam is (but the Lope fans are thrilled that their favourite younger Logan got Lame Liam).

Again, YOU may accept that Liam treated Hope like dirt, but a lot of people are huge fans of Lope and continue to root for them. In their minds, Hope and Brooke WON Liam and Ridge.

I do not understand why Brooke has not played the game

Barbybo, 9/27/2022, 4:46PM (587 days ago) @matisse

This bugs me on these shows. I admit I am older than most of you, but, I was always taught to slop sugar on someone that considered themselves my enemy. I do not understand why Brooke does not get in the game, and play it. I keep thinking, she should seek out Tom when Ridge is right there and hold out her hand and tell him they should make peace because they both love Ridge. I mean lay it on thick about how they can work together, blah, blah, blah. Keep him close, ask him if he wants to bring Douglas and live with her and Ridge. She needs to beat these Hamilton Monsters at their own game. Maybe out of that will come real forgiveness for Tom and the terrible things he did to her, and to Lope. Who knows? But her current approach is not getting her anywhere except out of a husband she wants to keep.

Toms the kids dad he’s being a good father

I do not understand why Brooke has not played the game

matisse, 9/27/2022, 4:49PM (587 days ago) @Barbybo- one person liked this

This bugs me on these shows. I admit I am older than most of you, but, I was always taught to slop sugar on someone that considered themselves my enemy. I do not understand why Brooke does not get in the game, and play it. I keep thinking, she should seek out Tom when Ridge is right there and hold out her hand and tell him they should make peace because they both love Ridge. I mean lay it on thick about how they can work together, blah, blah, blah. Keep him close, ask him if he wants to bring Douglas and live with her and Ridge. She needs to beat these Hamilton Monsters at their own game. Maybe out of that will come real forgiveness for Tom and the terrible things he did to her, and to Lope. Who knows? But her current approach is not getting her anywhere except out of a husband she wants to keep.


Toms the kids dad he’s being a good father

We'll see. I am hoping when Shauna breezes into town it is to stir up the Ridge war. DR held about a lot of scripts. So, it is not just a one-off. Should be interesting if Bridge is done, and Shauna comes back to stake a claim. Like the Shridge marriage WAS real. LOL

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dxdobson, 9/27/2022, 6:00PM (587 days ago) @matisse

Brooke can’t play that game because Steffy and Taylor are just hateful and would call her on it. Thomas does whatever Steffy says.

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Bhamgirl, 9/27/2022, 6:36PM (587 days ago) @dxdobson

Brooke can’t play that game because Steffy and Taylor are just hateful and would call her on it. Thomas does whatever Steffy says.

If Shauna makes a play for Ridge, Taylor, Steffy & Thomas would pop a vein. They would trash her 10 times the amount of Brooke. They would send her back to the desert.

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Cendrillon, 9/27/2022, 10:00PM (586 days ago) @Bhamgirl

YES, Shauna cannot POSSIBLY go toe to toe with Dr. Taylor Hayes. Like you said, the Tridge family will send her back to the desert faster than she can spell SAND.

I wonder whether Shauna is supposed to "console" Carter after Quinn's departure and become his next love interest, but I guess that's another topic.

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matisse, 9/27/2022, 11:05PM (586 days ago) @Cendrillon- one person liked this

YES, Shauna cannot POSSIBLY go toe to toe with Dr. Taylor Hayes. Like you said, the Tridge family will send her back to the desert faster than she can spell SAND.

I wonder whether Shauna is supposed to "console" Carter after Quinn's departure and become his next love interest, but I guess that's another topic.

I think Shauna could clean up the floor with Taylor and use her head to mop the toilet out. LOL. Shauna has a spark that comes across as real, unlike Taylor's weird brittle nervous smiles and head tilts and constantly telling Ridge how he feels.

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Cendrillon, 9/28/2022, 2:12PM (586 days ago) @matisse

Shauna is the one who would be SCRUBBING AND MOPPING Taylor's toilet and bathroom floors FOR HER considering her calibre or lack thereof. :lol

I didn't see ANY spark in her fake plastic face or her weird robotic voice. She looked, walked and talked like an automaton made out of SILICON SCRAPS in the desert. And she was *SUCH CHEAP TRAILER TRASH* she made Amber look like a Princess.

Taylpr is in a completely different league from TRASHY SHAUNA who should probably join THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF TRAILER PARK.

I am not surprised that Ridge would be distracted by Shauna while he is with Brooke, but if he's with Taylor, he would only invite Shauna to come BE HER CLEANER or plumber

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matisse, 9/27/2022, 11:02PM (586 days ago) @Bhamgirl- one person liked this

Brooke can’t play that game because Steffy and Taylor are just hateful and would call her on it. Thomas does whatever Steffy says.


If Shauna makes a play for Ridge, Taylor, Steffy & Thomas would pop a vein. They would trash her 10 times the amount of Brooke. They would send her back to the desert.

Shauna is a breath of fresh air, next to the Hamilton Gang. I liked Shauna, I was torn by the whole SL. I think DR is one of those actors that has chemistry with everyone. If Brooke is out of the picture, I will be pulling for Shauna, because I think it would cause Steffy's head to explode AND because I think she is a better fit for Ridge.

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Cendrillon, 9/28/2022, 2:19PM (586 days ago) @matisse

I used to like DR 20 years ago. Not even remotely a fan now.

Shauna would be NOTHING without Quinn. Taylor is too nice and dignified to to tell Shauna who she REALLY is, but Stephanie would put Shauna down the same way she put Brooke and Beth down back in the late 80s.

I will never forget the scene where Beth came to gloat that Eric divorced Stephanie, to which Stephanie responded that UNLIKE Beth, "people in Beverly Hills handle things very differently".

Shauna was SO out of her league in Beverly Hills - Beth was at least a more cultured person. Shauna would be fit to carry AMBER'S PURSE by contrast.

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Cendrillon, 9/27/2022, 9:26PM (586 days ago) @matisse

I enjoy a lot of your posts, Matisse, and although I understand where you're coming from here, I really don't think Brooke HAS IT IN HER to be that way. I see her as this *DESPERATE* character who always defaults to primal survival instincts when she is threatened. I don't know whether this goes back to her less-than-wealthy upbringing or her father abandoning her or what it is, but the only "games" she seems to know how to play are either SEDUCTION or CONFRONTATION.

I agree with you that the best way to deal with your enemies in most circumstances is to kill them with sweetness or kindness. But I think only CULTURED people can do that, and I just don't think Brooke has *EVER* been cultured. To me she is even worse than Shauna.

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matisse, 9/27/2022, 9:32PM (586 days ago) @Cendrillon- 2 people liked this

I enjoy a lot of your posts, Matisse, and although I understand where you're coming from here, I really don't think Brooke HAS IT IN HER to be that way. I see her as this *DESPERATE* character who always defaults to primal survival instincts when she is threatened. I don't know whether this goes back to her less-than-wealthy upbringing or her father abandoning her or what it is, but the only "games" she seems to know how to play are either SEDUCTION or CONFRONTATION.

I agree with you that the best way to deal with your enemies in most circumstances is to kill them with sweetness or kindness. But I think only CULTURED people can do that, and I just don't think Brooke has *EVER* been cultured. To me she is even worse than Shauna.

IDK. Taylor was born into poverty with a father who got her mother killed because of his weaknesses, and she still manages to act all goody-two-shoes to get her way. I don't consider Taylor cultured in any way, nor did I consider Stephanie cultured. But then Stephanie was always desperate and confrontational. She was unable to be seductive because she was too base. I guess going by your summation, Stephanie or Pam should have been able to play the game, but they could not. I don't think it has anything to do with class distinction, which is archaic in 2022, I think it has to do with being able to be manipulative, which I agree, Brooke does not do, but Taylor does very well. I think Taylor has played this one well, and she will win Ridge, this round. But not be able to keep him. JMO

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Cendrillon, 9/27/2022, 9:50PM (586 days ago) @matisse
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I don't think being cultured correlates to wealth or class at all - I think it is a mindset and way of life that Brooke never cultivated. SHEILA has actually been able to at least ACT in a very cultured way when it suited her, despite growing up essentially poor in the Midwest. I also think that HOPE is relatively more "cultured" in her comportment than Steffy for instance, even though I am NOT a fan of Hope.

When I referred to Brooke's less than wealthy background in THIS post, I meant it may be a CHIP on her shoulder. Some people always have what's known as a "lack mentality" or "scarcity mindset" depending on the resources they feel they didn't have growing up. I think Brooke DEFINITELY HAS that, but a lot of people who grew up in her circumstances or even worse do not.

I don't think Taylor was born into poverty any more than Brooke was. But even though they both came from middle or lower middle class homes, Taylor once tried to bond with Stephanie (back when Stephanie hated her) by talking about her love of poetry, Keats etc. I haven't heard Brooke talk like that ever.

Also I don't think Cultured equals GOOD or even CLASSY necessarily. Stephanie to me was CULTURED but NOT exactly classy shall we say.

And I think Pam's entire development was stunted by her mother Ann, deliberately.

Anyhow, we will not see eye to eye on Brooke and Taylor, but I see nothing but manipulation through much of Brooke's history. Conspiring with Thorne to keep Caroline and Ridge apart and PRETENDING to be Caroline's friend for starters.

And then the LENGTHS she went to in order to prevent Taylor from telling Ridge the truth about Thomas's paternity. I do believe one of the main reasons Ridge left Brooke for Taylor is because he felt very manipulated by her. Played for a fool. We know he didn't leave Brooke for the sake of THOMAS because he never left Taylor for the sake of Bridget!

I see manipulation as a part and parcel of Brooke's frantic attempts to hold onto Ridge. Since she has WON over the past 15/16 years I know you think Ridge is going back to her before too long this time as well, but I personally think Bell is revisiting the "Taylor Triumphant" years between 1990-2002 at this point in time, after letting Brooke have what she wants for so long.

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matisse, 9/27/2022, 10:57PM (586 days ago) @Cendrillon- 3 people liked this[O]

I don't think being cultured correlates to wealth or class at all - I think it is a mindset and way of life that Brooke never cultivated. SHEILA has actually been able to at least ACT in a very cultured way when it suited her, despite growing up essentially poor in the Midwest. I also think that HOPE is relatively more "cultured" in her comportment than Steffy for instance, even though I am NOT a fan of Hope.

When I referred to Brooke's less than wealthy background in THIS post, I meant it may be a CHIP on her shoulder. Some people always have what's known as a "lack mentality" or "scarcity mindset" depending on the resources they feel they didn't have growing up. I think Brooke DEFINITELY HAS that, but a lot of people who grew up in her circumstances or even worse do not.

I don't think Taylor was born into poverty any more than Brooke was. But even though they both came from middle or lower middle class homes, Taylor once tried to bond with Stephanie (back when Stephanie hated her) by talking about her love of poetry, Keats etc. I haven't heard Brooke talk like that ever.

Also I don't think Cultured equals GOOD or even CLASSY necessarily. Stephanie to me was CULTURED but NOT exactly classy shall we say.

And I think Pam's entire development was stunted by her mother Ann, deliberately.

Anyhow, we will not see eye to eye on Brooke and Taylor, but I see nothing but manipulation through much of Brooke's history. Conspiring with Thorne to keep Caroline and Ridge apart and PRETENDING to be Caroline's friend for starters.

And then the LENGTHS she went to in order to prevent Taylor from telling Ridge the truth about Thomas's paternity. I do believe one of the main reasons Ridge left Brooke for Taylor is because he felt very manipulated by her. Played for a fool. We know he didn't leave Brooke for the sake of THOMAS because he never left Taylor for the sake of Bridget!

I see manipulation as a part and parcel of Brooke's frantic attempts to hold onto Ridge. Since she has WON over the past 15/16 years I know you think Ridge is going back to her before too long this time as well, but I personally think Bell is revisiting the "Taylor Triumphant" years between 1990-2002 at this point in time, after letting Brooke have what she wants for so long.

If manipulation is a problem for Ridge, then his interlude with Taylor will end fairly quickly once he beds her again, because the whole thing has been based on manipulation and his being played for the fool. We have seen first hand for months, Taylor and Steffy's manipulation of Ridge by hitting all his weaknesses, on point, day after day. I said it before and I will say it again. this time around Ridge is like a victim of Stockholm Syndrome. He is being beat over the head daily about Big Bad Brooke, interspersed with treats thrown to him about how he is so relaxed and happy with Taylor. Ridge is constantly being told how he FEELS by the Hamilton Gang, while Brooke just sits back and allows him to be himself. So no, I do not think there is going to be a revisit of the Taylor years of 1990-2002. Mainly because, he was chasing after Brooke, for one reason or another, during most of those years. In fact he was married to Brooke twice during those "happy Taylor" years. I go by what Bill and Brad Bell said, after the death of Caroline I, Bridge was their end game. They are the star crossed lovers. Bell called Brooke the heroine of the story and the protagonist. He called Taylor the interloper. It could change, I am aware of that fact, but at what cost to the show?

I want Brill. but I also want Brooke to win this round with the Hamilton Gang, just because in this round, they are worse than they have ever been with their attitude and sanctimonious lying. It is very frustrating for a Brooke fan like me, who is also a day 1 viewer and remember quite well, the history of this show. I think some people believe since a new actress plays Taylor, then the character has changed. Nope, the actress playing her changed, the character is still the same. Still manipulative, spouting her psychobabble, believing with all her heart that she is "better than" others. If I looked at these people like it was RL, I would think Brooke was very flawed, but I would think Taylor was very disturbed. Who in the world, pines away for someone for 15 years to the point they admit, they stayed away from their children because they could not bear to see their ex with his wife?

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Cendrillon, 9/28/2022, 2:34PM (586 days ago) @matisse

The only reason Ridge married Brooke in 1994 was because he THOUGHT TAYLOR WAS DEAD and the only reason he married her - for barely a few months - in 1998 was because he believed Thomas was Thorne's son, and because Brooke moved up the wedding to PREVENT TAYLOR from telling him the truth. If he knew the truth about Thomas, Brooke would NEVER have had to go through the shame of Ridge annulling that farce of a marriage so fast it made Ms. Logan's HEAD SPIN. She then tried to chase after him for 3 years - getting on top of him in the Forrester elevator, bringing a bed to her office, STRIPPING NAKED for him in the design office, begging him to leave Taylor and her 3 innocent children for him, but he DIDN'T budge from Taylor and he DIDN'T SO MUCH AS *KISS* Brooke while he was with Taylor during those years. :-) :-) :-) :-)

As for Taylor leaving her ADULT CHILDREN after Ridge and Brooke got together over the past decade, you can see first hand now that it would have been too much EVEN FOR STEFFY AND THOMAS to see their mother without Ridge all the time, while the Disturbed Slut who kept banging her son-in-law for nearly a year had her disgusting hands all over him.

Taylor tried to make a bad situation a little more workable, and she spent years helping people in countries like Africa and doing missionary work as a noble person.......while Brooke has NEVER HELPED ANYONE but herself after moving to Beverly Hills and foisting herself upon the Forresters. All Brooke wants is $$$$ and SEX and to see her 2 blonde kids come out on top (Bridget who was a strawberry blonde not so much). LOL. She doesn't have an altruistic or charitable bone in her body and so Taylor is practically Mother Theresa compared to the SFTV.

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GracieGirl, 9/27/2022, 9:38PM (586 days ago) @Cendrillon

Who is cultured on this show? Caroline I died ages ago. That’s about it.

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Cendrillon, 9/27/2022, 10:21PM (586 days ago) @GracieGirl

Who is cultured on this show? Caroline I died ages ago. That’s about it.

I think Taylor, even Hope, Zende and Eric are cultured to greater or lesser degrees. I say this even though I'm ONLY a fan of Taylor from the aforementioned characters.

I use the word CULTURED in a neutral way - not as something ONLY my favourite characters need to possess.

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matisse, 9/27/2022, 11:06PM (586 days ago) @Cendrillon- one person liked this

Who is cultured on this show? Caroline I died ages ago. That’s about it.


I think Taylor, even Hope, Zende and Eric are cultured to greater or lesser degrees. I say this even though I'm ONLY a fan of Taylor from the aforementioned characters.

I use the word CULTURED in a neutral way - not as something ONLY my favourite characters need to possess.

Taylor is cultured like Yogart, after a few days it spoils and starts to smell bad. LOL

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Barbybo, 9/28/2022, 1:18PM (586 days ago) @matisse
edited by Barbybo, 9/28/2022, 1:23PM

Who is cultured on this show? Caroline I died ages ago. That’s about it.


I think Taylor, even Hope, Zende and Eric are cultured to greater or lesser degrees. I say this even though I'm ONLY a fan of Taylor from the aforementioned characters.

I use the word CULTURED in a neutral way - not as something ONLY my favourite characters need to possess.


Taylor is cultured like Yogart, after a few days it spoils and starts to smell bad. LOL

I just don’t see this Taylor being so bad maybe years ago but she seems to be a good mom but she needs her own place…but her and Brooke neither in their lives were saints …Ridge is a creep he leads Taylor on by going to see her every day..I find this story line repetitive and boreing

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matisse, 9/28/2022, 1:28PM (586 days ago) @Barbybo

Who is cultured on this show? Caroline I died ages ago. That’s about it.


I think Taylor, even Hope, Zende and Eric are cultured to greater or lesser degrees. I say this even though I'm ONLY a fan of Taylor from the aforementioned characters.

I use the word CULTURED in a neutral way - not as something ONLY my favourite characters need to possess.


Taylor is cultured like Yogart, after a few days it spoils and starts to smell bad. LOL


I just don’t see this Taylor being so bad maybe years ago but she seems to be a good mom but she needs her own place

Did you watch back in 1990? Just wondering. I think like my feeling about KKL, that many felt that way about Htylo who played Taylor until 2018. Htylo is gorgeous, she has a very elegant demeanor about her, she has a really nice voice. In RL interviews she was irreverent, funny, intelligent, etc. So, I think people liked her so much, they liked her character a lot. But, Taylor was no goody two shoes, but she pretended she was, and she allowed Stephanie to do most her dirty work for her. There were a lot of layers to Taylor, which made her fun to watch. There are no layers to Taylor anymore, which makes the character very flat. IMO. I was never a Taylor fan, I loathed her when she returned from the dead the last time. But, there were SL's where I rooted for Taylor. Like the Morgan SL. Or when she had TB. Because there were layers to her. To me, this new revisionist history has turned Taylor into nothing more than tasteless white bread. No flavor.

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Cendrillon, 9/28/2022, 2:52PM (586 days ago) @matisse

Completely agree with everything you said about Hunter Tylo, of course, who played such a big role in making me love and enjoy Taylor so much, but that being said I AM a fan of the current Taylor as well. There is almost always an adjustment period when someone takes over a role, but I do think Krista Allen is hitting her stride, and I can see layers in both her performance and the writing.

As KA herself said last year, no one can "replace" Hunter Tylo, but I think KA's Taylor is every bit as valid if not more so as TK's new Ridge. The writing changed more for TK's Ridge over the past decade than it has for KA's Taylor in my opinion, overall.

YES, this has been a more "vanilla" version of Taylor in some ways but the way she holds her own against Brooke is very layered and very nuanced to me. I'm talking as much about KA's performance here as the writing. And the reason she seems more vanilla now is because she isn't an alcoholic anymore, or a vengeful mom shooting Bill, or a woman making a point by getting involved with her rival's son.

And as I said in another post, Hunter Tylo herself played Taylor in a VERY SWEET way when she first came on board - always speaking in the softest, most soothing tones etc, and not displaying any kind of volatility until later on. It was the introduction of Blake Hayes and the love triangle between Ridge, Taylor and Brooke - on top of Stephanie's initial enmity - that brought out a different side of Taylor.

If Krista Allen remains as Taylor over the next so many years, I think you will see MORE AND MORE LAYERS.

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