What’s going to be the big letdown for Steffy and Thomas (General)

All this Forrester huffing and puffing can’t go on. Something is going to happen. I suspect a few possibilities. Taylor’s halo will crack in an unsuspecting way. Steffy over focus on her parents reunion leaves Hayes vulnerable. Thomas and the family will learn that Hope is not just a nurse maid to Douglas and that he really really loves his family with Hope, Liam and Beth. They can’t be so dismissive of them. What’s your guess?

Maybe we find out that someone isn't even a faux Forrester. Wouldn't it be hilarious if we found out that Ridge isn't Thomas's or Phoebe and Steffy's bio father?

I would love it if Ridge isn't the father of Steffy and the late Phoebe!

I think you're right that they keep hammering us over the head with the "Forrester" stuff for a reason. Something's got to happen to blow it up.

Maybe Hope will hit them in the face that they are Forresters in name only.

How great would that be?

I would love Hope getting assault charges against her

All this Forrester huffing and puffing can’t go on. Something is going to happen. I suspect a few possibilities. Taylor’s halo will crack in an unsuspecting way. Steffy over focus on her parents reunion leaves Hayes vulnerable. Thomas and the family will learn that Hope is not just a nurse maid to Douglas and that he really really loves his family with Hope, Liam and Beth. They can’t be so dismissive of them. What’s your guess?

I dont see Taylor and Steffy as dismissive of Douglas' relationship with his mother. They just want Douglas to have the same opportunity to build the same type of relationship with his father.

I agree.

They are using the kid to further their agenda and it is obvious.

That's not what I'm seeing. What's obvious to me is that the Logans (including Liam) want to keep control of Douglas' life in the dank, dark cabin.

Nope, it is very obvious that the Hamilton Mean Girls are using that kid and Tom to make sure they get their way with Ridge. That is all this is about. I was happy Hope came out and told Liam today that she knows that is what is going on. That they are using this situation to get Ridge with Taylor.

Agree to disagree because I am seeing something very different. Thomas wants a more prominent role in his son's life which is his right as Douglas' father whether Brooke likes it or not. . If that splits Bridge up it will be because Brooke will not budge an inch from her stupid "I will not allow it to happen" tirades that I'm sure Ridge is tired of hearing by now. I think it's time for them to hang it up. Their relationship is worn out and dull as dirt anyway.

All this Forrester huffing and puffing can’t go on. Something is going to happen. I suspect a few possibilities. Taylor’s halo will crack in an unsuspecting way. Steffy over focus on her parents reunion leaves Hayes vulnerable. Thomas and the family will learn that Hope is not just a nurse maid to Douglas and that he really really loves his family with Hope, Liam and Beth. They can’t be so dismissive of them. What’s your guess?

I dont see Taylor and Steffy as dismissive of Douglas' relationship with his mother. They just want Douglas to have the same opportunity to build the same type of relationship with his father.

They have been talking like Hope has been keeping Douglas away from Thomas and not letting him be part of the decisions. That's not true. Thomas is the only reason he hasn't seen much of Douglas.

Because Thomas did not feel that he was ready for that responsibility and now he does. Thomas himself said that Hope has been making all the decisions for Douglas without his input and Hope did not disagree.

I'm not talking about full responsibility. I'm talking about Thomas spending so little time with Douglas that Douglas asked him if he misses him or even thinks about him. Thomas couldn't handle seeing his douglas or making more time to spend with him? Why?

We can only speculate as nothing of the sort was shown on screen. As far as we knew, Thomas was spending time with Douglas off-screen. Maybe he was busy at work and failed at time management. He certainly wasn't dating anyone that was taking up his time. Whatever the case, he has recognized how it affected Douglas and is taking steps to rectify it.

If I'm remembering correctly, there was a scene where Douglas asked Thomas if he misses him and then Thomas admitted that he wasn't spending as much time with him as he should have. So, he wasn't spending time with him off screen.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

All this Forrester huffing and puffing can’t go on. Something is going to happen. I suspect a few possibilities. Taylor’s halo will crack in an unsuspecting way. Steffy over focus on her parents reunion leaves Hayes vulnerable. Thomas and the family will learn that Hope is not just a nurse maid to Douglas and that he really really loves his family with Hope, Liam and Beth. They can’t be so dismissive of them. What’s your guess?

I dont see Taylor and Steffy as dismissive of Douglas' relationship with his mother. They just want Douglas to have the same opportunity to build the same type of relationship with his father.

I disagree. They want him to live full time with Thomas. None of them have even suggested any kind of compromise. It's all or nothing. That's dismissive of Hope's role in Douglas's life.

Yes, they want him to live full time with Thomas to build the trust with Douglas for him to know that he can count on his Dad as a parent. That is how Hope and Douglas nurtured their bond. Why is it so outlandish for Thomas to do the same? Hope hasn't suggested a compromise either. She is being dismissive of Thomas' role as well.

It's not required to live under the same roof to achieve what you're talking about and Thomas SHOULD have already achieved that with Douglas while in New York and while having JOINT custody with Hope for years. It's his fault he didn't do it, and Hope is right to be leery of how he'll raise Douglas if he couldn't even live up to a joint custody arrangement. Steffy and Taylor do not even acknowledge that.

Someone is lying. Either Hope is lying that Thomas has always had full access to Douglas (And I'm not talking about one time when Hope asked if he could return home. I'm talking about the abundance of years) or Taylor is lying that Hope is hogging the boy -- OR Thomas was lying when he said he was sorry he hadn't been around as much and he was sorry HE hadn't been in touch and that he'd been "trying" to catch up about Douglas through Hope.

Someone's lying. Who?

I don't think anyone is lying. Hope has been hogging Douglas. For good reason. Thomas was a hot mess and needed to get his act together. Hope feels that Thomas has full access to Thomas as long as she gets to control it. Thomas probably had a stretch of time that he wasn't visiting as much but it didnt appear to be a long period of time.

She can't hog douglas like Taylor said -- not letting Thomas see him and at the same time being offering full access as she says she is. I have never heard it in the dialogue that Hope says he can have full access as long as she controls it. So that's an opinion. If Thomas wasn't taking advantage of visits, then Hope wasn't hogging him.

All this Forrester huffing and puffing can’t go on. Something is going to happen. I suspect a few possibilities. Taylor’s halo will crack in an unsuspecting way. Steffy over focus on her parents reunion leaves Hayes vulnerable. Thomas and the family will learn that Hope is not just a nurse maid to Douglas and that he really really loves his family with Hope, Liam and Beth. They can’t be so dismissive of them. What’s your guess?

I dont see Taylor and Steffy as dismissive of Douglas' relationship with his mother. They just want Douglas to have the same opportunity to build the same type of relationship with his father.

I disagree. They want him to live full time with Thomas. None of them have even suggested any kind of compromise. It's all or nothing. That's dismissive of Hope's role in Douglas's life.

Yes, they want him to live full time with Thomas to build the trust with Douglas for him to know that he can count on his Dad as a parent. That is how Hope and Douglas nurtured their bond. Why is it so outlandish for Thomas to do the same? Hope hasn't suggested a compromise either. She is being dismissive of Thomas' role as well.

It's not required to live under the same roof to achieve what you're talking about and Thomas SHOULD have already achieved that with Douglas while in New York and while having JOINT custody with Hope for years. It's his fault he didn't do it, and Hope is right to be leery of how he'll raise Douglas if he couldn't even live up to a joint custody arrangement. Steffy and Taylor do not even acknowledge that.

Someone is lying. Either Hope is lying that Thomas has always had full access to Douglas (And I'm not talking about one time when Hope asked if he could return home. I'm talking about the abundance of years) or Taylor is lying that Hope is hogging the boy -- OR Thomas was lying when he said he was sorry he hadn't been around as much and he was sorry HE hadn't been in touch and that he'd been "trying" to catch up about Douglas through Hope.

Someone's lying. Who?

I don't think anyone is lying. Hope has been hogging Douglas. For good reason. Thomas was a hot mess and needed to get his act together. Hope feels that Thomas has full access to Thomas as long as she gets to control it. Thomas probably had a stretch of time that he wasn't visiting as much but it didnt appear to be a long period of time.

Hope has not been hogging Douglas. Taylor said that. She was the one that lied.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

All this Forrester huffing and puffing can’t go on. Something is going to happen. I suspect a few possibilities. Taylor’s halo will crack in an unsuspecting way. Steffy over focus on her parents reunion leaves Hayes vulnerable. Thomas and the family will learn that Hope is not just a nurse maid to Douglas and that he really really loves his family with Hope, Liam and Beth. They can’t be so dismissive of them. What’s your guess?

I dont see Taylor and Steffy as dismissive of Douglas' relationship with his mother. They just want Douglas to have the same opportunity to build the same type of relationship with his father.

I disagree. They want him to live full time with Thomas. None of them have even suggested any kind of compromise. It's all or nothing. That's dismissive of Hope's role in Douglas's life.

Yes, they want him to live full time with Thomas to build the trust with Douglas for him to know that he can count on his Dad as a parent. That is how Hope and Douglas nurtured their bond. Why is it so outlandish for Thomas to do the same? Hope hasn't suggested a compromise either. She is being dismissive of Thomas' role as well.

If Hope was being dismissive then this one night sleepover wouldn't have turned into a week or so.

Credit where credit is due. She has been supportive of Douglas spending this time with Thomas. I've been impressed with her standing up to both Brooke and Liam. But she still feels that Douglas needs to live with her fulltime because he is happy and stable. As if he could not have that with Thomas. She feels that Thomas is fine as a part time dad but the full time father role should be filled by Liam.

Hope didn't say those last two sentences. I personally have not heard her mention Liam in the fatherly role to Douglas. Maybe I missed that. What I've heard is her say she does so want Douglas and Thomas to have that relationship but this uprooting him abruptly is not a good idea. Yeah, she wants him to live with her, just like Kelly lives with Steffy. I see no problem.

All this Forrester huffing and puffing can’t go on. Something is going to happen. I suspect a few possibilities. Taylor’s halo will crack in an unsuspecting way. Steffy over focus on her parents reunion leaves Hayes vulnerable. Thomas and the family will learn that Hope is not just a nurse maid to Douglas and that he really really loves his family with Hope, Liam and Beth. They can’t be so dismissive of them. What’s your guess?

I dont see Taylor and Steffy as dismissive of Douglas' relationship with his mother. They just want Douglas to have the same opportunity to build the same type of relationship with his father.

I disagree. They want him to live full time with Thomas. None of them have even suggested any kind of compromise. It's all or nothing. That's dismissive of Hope's role in Douglas's life.

Yes, they want him to live full time with Thomas to build the trust with Douglas for him to know that he can count on his Dad as a parent. That is how Hope and Douglas nurtured their bond. Why is it so outlandish for Thomas to do the same? Hope hasn't suggested a compromise either. She is being dismissive of Thomas' role as well.

If Hope was being dismissive then this one night sleepover wouldn't have turned into a week or so.

Credit where credit is due. She has been supportive of Douglas spending this time with Thomas. I've been impressed with her standing up to both Brooke and Liam. But she still feels that Douglas needs to live with her fulltime because he is happy and stable. As if he could not have that with Thomas. She feels that Thomas is fine as a part time dad but the full time father role should be filled by Liam.

It goes both ways, though. Thomas is trying to make the unilateral decision of moving Douglas into Eric's. He feels that Hope should be a part time mom.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

All this Forrester huffing and puffing can’t go on. Something is going to happen. I suspect a few possibilities. Taylor’s halo will crack in an unsuspecting way. Steffy over focus on her parents reunion leaves Hayes vulnerable. Thomas and the family will learn that Hope is not just a nurse maid to Douglas and that he really really loves his family with Hope, Liam and Beth. They can’t be so dismissive of them. What’s your guess?

I dont see Taylor and Steffy as dismissive of Douglas' relationship with his mother. They just want Douglas to have the same opportunity to build the same type of relationship with his father.

I disagree. They want him to live full time with Thomas. None of them have even suggested any kind of compromise. It's all or nothing. That's dismissive of Hope's role in Douglas's life.

Yes, they want him to live full time with Thomas to build the trust with Douglas for him to know that he can count on his Dad as a parent. That is how Hope and Douglas nurtured their bond. Why is it so outlandish for Thomas to do the same? Hope hasn't suggested a compromise either. She is being dismissive of Thomas' role as well.

If Hope was being dismissive then this one night sleepover wouldn't have turned into a week or so.

And if Hope was being controlling, Douglas would be home -- via a police escort and they'd be in court right now.

She is a good mom. She sees how happy Douglas is to have this time with Thomas and knows there is no good reason he should not have it. But she still doesnt want to relinquish her role as Douglas' primary caregiver.

All this Forrester huffing and puffing can’t go on. Something is going to happen. I suspect a few possibilities. Taylor’s halo will crack in an unsuspecting way. Steffy over focus on her parents reunion leaves Hayes vulnerable. Thomas and the family will learn that Hope is not just a nurse maid to Douglas and that he really really loves his family with Hope, Liam and Beth. They can’t be so dismissive of them. What’s your guess?

I dont see Taylor and Steffy as dismissive of Douglas' relationship with his mother. They just want Douglas to have the same opportunity to build the same type of relationship with his father.

Thanking Hope for "looking after" Douglas, completely leaving out their own involvement in how that shook out, is treating Hope like a glorified babysitter. They both know what was going on with Thomas, and his treatment of his son, additionally, they were both fully aware of Thomas's role in keeping the Beth secret. However, neither of them gave a fig about Thomas, or what he was doing to his son. They each had their own agendas, and weaponized Douglas, just like his father did, in order to achieve their own ends. Now, three years later these two want to come at Hope screeching and squawking about how Thomas deserves this, and Thomas deserves that. Thomas deserves whatever Hope decides he deserves. She is his mother and stepped in and saved that boy from a mentally unstable father who was terrorizing him.

They are beyond dismissive of Hope and Douglas's relationship.

Hope and Thomas have shared custody which means she cannot just ignore Thomas' role as Douglas' father. She does not get to decide what Thomas deserves and does not deserve. Thomas did not give up his parental rights. He simply shared them with Hope and is now ready to take a more substantial role in Douglas' life. They both have acknowledged that Hope stepped in and provided Douglas with a stable home and a mother's love and expressed gratitude for that. They can be grateful and still think that Douglas should spend more time with his father.

Any lack of co-parenting is certainly not on Hope's shoulders. Thomas made the decision to deprioritize Douglas, preferring to play cupid with his parents and focus on his career.

For a guy who, as little as two months ago, could take his son or leave his son, to suddenly want full custody, is very odd indeed. No, Thomas is using Douglas once again in his efforts to win Hope's heart. It is as plain as day.

Of course it's on Hope's shoulders. Up until now she has controlled Thomas' access to Douglas. Thomas has expressed a desire to step up for Douglas because he feels he is ready now. I don't see him using Douglas. That may change but I see no indication of it at this point.

But Thomas's idea of stepping up is extreme. Moving him out of the home where he lives and into Eric's. He could step up by just making more time for him. He admitted that he wasn't spending enough time with him. Why doesn't he just visit more? Revisit it later when Douglas is older.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

All this Forrester huffing and puffing can’t go on. Something is going to happen. I suspect a few possibilities. Taylor’s halo will crack in an unsuspecting way. Steffy over focus on her parents reunion leaves Hayes vulnerable. Thomas and the family will learn that Hope is not just a nurse maid to Douglas and that he really really loves his family with Hope, Liam and Beth. They can’t be so dismissive of them. What’s your guess?

I dont see Taylor and Steffy as dismissive of Douglas' relationship with his mother. They just want Douglas to have the same opportunity to build the same type of relationship with his father.

Thanking Hope for "looking after" Douglas, completely leaving out their own involvement in how that shook out, is treating Hope like a glorified babysitter. They both know what was going on with Thomas, and his treatment of his son, additionally, they were both fully aware of Thomas's role in keeping the Beth secret. However, neither of them gave a fig about Thomas, or what he was doing to his son. They each had their own agendas, and weaponized Douglas, just like his father did, in order to achieve their own ends. Now, three years later these two want to come at Hope screeching and squawking about how Thomas deserves this, and Thomas deserves that. Thomas deserves whatever Hope decides he deserves. She is his mother and stepped in and saved that boy from a mentally unstable father who was terrorizing him.

They are beyond dismissive of Hope and Douglas's relationship.

Hope and Thomas have shared custody which means she cannot just ignore Thomas' role as Douglas' father. She does not get to decide what Thomas deserves and does not deserve. Thomas did not give up his parental rights. He simply shared them with Hope and is now ready to take a more substantial role in Douglas' life. They both have acknowledged that Hope stepped in and provided Douglas with a stable home and a mother's love and expressed gratitude for that. They can be grateful and still think that Douglas should spend more time with his father.

Any lack of co-parenting is certainly not on Hope's shoulders. Thomas made the decision to deprioritize Douglas, preferring to play cupid with his parents and focus on his career.

For a guy who, as little as two months ago, could take his son or leave his son, to suddenly want full custody, is very odd indeed. No, Thomas is using Douglas once again in his efforts to win Hope's heart. It is as plain as day.

Of course it's on Hope's shoulders. Up until now she has controlled Thomas' access to Douglas. Thomas has expressed a desire to step up for Douglas because he feels he is ready now. I don't see him using Douglas. That may change but I see no indication of it at this point.

I could easily produce 20 different episodes where Hope has said she wants Thomas to spend more time with Douglas: to Thomas and to others. So, no, nothing is on Hope's shoulders.

When a child says he wants to see a parent more often, then that child is crying out for being ignored. Douglas's pleas for more time with Thomas say it all.

All this Forrester huffing and puffing can’t go on. Something is going to happen. I suspect a few possibilities. Taylor’s halo will crack in an unsuspecting way. Steffy over focus on her parents reunion leaves Hayes vulnerable. Thomas and the family will learn that Hope is not just a nurse maid to Douglas and that he really really loves his family with Hope, Liam and Beth. They can’t be so dismissive of them. What’s your guess?

I dont see Taylor and Steffy as dismissive of Douglas' relationship with his mother. They just want Douglas to have the same opportunity to build the same type of relationship with his father.

Thanking Hope for "looking after" Douglas, completely leaving out their own involvement in how that shook out, is treating Hope like a glorified babysitter. They both know what was going on with Thomas, and his treatment of his son, additionally, they were both fully aware of Thomas's role in keeping the Beth secret. However, neither of them gave a fig about Thomas, or what he was doing to his son. They each had their own agendas, and weaponized Douglas, just like his father did, in order to achieve their own ends. Now, three years later these two want to come at Hope screeching and squawking about how Thomas deserves this, and Thomas deserves that. Thomas deserves whatever Hope decides he deserves. She is his mother and stepped in and saved that boy from a mentally unstable father who was terrorizing him.

They are beyond dismissive of Hope and Douglas's relationship.

Hope and Thomas have shared custody which means she cannot just ignore Thomas' role as Douglas' father. She does not get to decide what Thomas deserves and does not deserve. Thomas did not give up his parental rights. He simply shared them with Hope and is now ready to take a more substantial role in Douglas' life. They both have acknowledged that Hope stepped in and provided Douglas with a stable home and a mother's love and expressed gratitude for that. They can be grateful and still think that Douglas should spend more time with his father.

Any lack of co-parenting is certainly not on Hope's shoulders. Thomas made the decision to deprioritize Douglas, preferring to play cupid with his parents and focus on his career.

For a guy who, as little as two months ago, could take his son or leave his son, to suddenly want full custody, is very odd indeed. No, Thomas is using Douglas once again in his efforts to win Hope's heart. It is as plain as day.

Of course it's on Hope's shoulders. Up until now she has controlled Thomas' access to Douglas. Thomas has expressed a desire to step up for Douglas because he feels he is ready now. I don't see him using Douglas. That may change but I see no indication of it at this point.

Being the primary guardian doesn't mean you are "controlling" access in a negative sense. Stepping up doesn't mean Douglas has to move, either. Liam just explained today how Thomas is using Douglas.