Taylor is right (General)

Yes, and they should have him examined now but not by Mommy Dearest but a real psychiatrist.

Thomas never had a mental illness. Where is this coming from? Aly had a diagnosed mental illness, there was a storyline about it. Pam had a brain tumor for years. Thomas is just a monster. He never had any illness and his blood clot wasn't there when he fell off the cliff. They kept him at the hospital for days and examined him. If there was any medical issue, they would have seen it.

How is that an excuse? He wasn't in a good place mentally because he wasn't getting what he wanted... Hope. There was no medical issue with him at the time. He was obsessed with a woman he couldn't have, he was downright evil. The blood issue came up 1 year after he signed those papers. And where was Taylor, anyway? Hiding like a coward because she wouldn't take responsibility for shooting Bill. Her opinion is totally irrelevant.

A mentally disturbed person is not considered evil and he was obsessed because he was mentally disturbed. I think that a mental illness is a legitimate reason to revisit legal issues. You have to be in your right mind to sign away your rights.

And you have to be in your right mind to keep them. Thomas acted like a psycho even after he signed the adoption papers.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

How is that an excuse? He wasn't in a good place mentally because he wasn't getting what he wanted... Hope. There was no medical issue with him at the time. He was obsessed with a woman he couldn't have, he was downright evil. The blood issue came up 1 year after he signed those papers. And where was Taylor, anyway? Hiding like a coward because she wouldn't take responsibility for shooting Bill. Her opinion is totally irrelevant.

A mentally disturbed person is not considered evil and he was obsessed because he was mentally disturbed. I think that a mental illness is a legitimate reason to revisit legal issues. You have to be in your right mind to sign away your rights.

And a judge would have made sure he was in his right mind before it was legalized, but he didn't sign away his rights. He let Hope adopt the child and share custody.

How is that an excuse? He wasn't in a good place mentally because he wasn't getting what he wanted... Hope. There was no medical issue with him at the time. He was obsessed with a woman he couldn't have, he was downright evil. The blood issue came up 1 year after he signed those papers. And where was Taylor, anyway? Hiding like a coward because she wouldn't take responsibility for shooting Bill. Her opinion is totally irrelevant.

A mentally disturbed person is not considered evil and he was obsessed because he was mentally disturbed. I think that a mental illness is a legitimate reason to revisit legal issues. You have to be in your right mind to sign away your rights.

Since this was supposed to happen when Douglas was about 5 and he is about 8 or 9 now, I'm sure the courts are going to ask why the Forrester's waited so long to bring this up. As next of kin, Ridge and Taylor will have to answer why they let it happen and what kind of mental health Thomas was receiving. They can't use Taylor professionally counseling Thomas because it is against the code of ethics for her to professionally treat family members. If there is a mental evaluation, Thomas may end up in a mental facility.

It doesn’t matter in this case because he wasn’t legally declared mentally incompetent, there’s no legal leg to stand on. Thomas asking Hope to be Douglas’s adopted Mom, and her signing legal adoption papers, was just another way he was trying to manipulate her into a relationship with him. This situation didn’t happen when he was with the ‘Hope’ mannequin.

Thomas wasn't in a good place mentally when he signed those papers. Hope and Brooke knew that and took advantage. That in itself brings into question the validity of the entire document/agreement.

Taylor is rarely right about anything and if she goes forward with her plan, she will make Cruella de Ville look like Mother Theresa.

It's like they dug this Taylor up from the pet cemetary. She just ain't right. Ever since she's returned, she's made one mistake after another and exhibited bad rainbow-chasing judgment. I don't think she's right, either.

I think hell would freeze over before Taylor was right about anything

Thomas wasn't in a good place mentally when he signed those papers. Hope and Brooke knew that and took advantage. That in itself brings into question the validity of the entire document/agreement.

I've been waiting for this to come up.

Me too. And I'm glad it came up because tha's exactly how it played out on screen back then. Sometimes Bell does remember the history.

And how convenient Taylor just totally ignored the fact that she's the one who pushed this idea of Liam's wife be Douglas' replacement mommy when Caroline was barely six feet under. Where was her concerns of biology then when she had no problem with a LOGAN raising Douglas?! Taylor isn't right IMO..the only reason she wanted Douglas back full time with Thomas now is because she didn't get what she wanted which is Thope and Leffy. LOL.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

Thomas wasn't in a good place mentally when he signed those papers. Hope and Brooke knew that and took advantage. That in itself brings into question the validity of the entire document/agreement.

I've been waiting for this to come up.

Me too. And I'm glad it came up because tha's exactly how it played out on screen back then. Sometimes Bell does remember the history.

Unless they're going to rewrite the whole story, what would it matter? After Thomas signed the adoption papers he continued to abuse Douglas.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

Thomas wasn't in a good place mentally when he signed those papers. Hope and Brooke knew that and took advantage. That in itself brings into question the validity of the entire document/agreement.

I've been waiting for this to come up.

Me too. Can't wait to watch later.

You'll enjoy it. How can you claim a person is mentally unstable yet is mentally stable enough to sign a legal document?

fasbmaster said:<<<<homas wasn't in a good place mentally when he signed those papers. Hope and Brooke knew that and took advantage. That in itself brings into question the validity of the entire document/agreement.>>>>>>

Taylor is right, Thomas was not in a good place mentally but that was NOT for Hope or Brooke to say or pass judgement. A court or the lawyer himself who drew up the papers should have decided that. Of course now the writers can step in and say it was illegal and out and out war.. And Thomas thinks he is vindicated that Hope had him for X amount of times in years, so now is his turn. He has taken him and has no desire or intention of returning Douglas.

His conversation today when Liam was in the Forrester house and confronted him unawares proves when he keeps saying a couple of days, when we know it has been much much longer than that. They purposely do not say just how long it is, but it has been a long time, enough to have two of thoss Forrester get together's without Liam or Brooke invited. And we know those were not back to back nights, probably a week in between.

And any time Hope or today Liam ask about Douglas, he is not there. He is not with the father who he wants to be with or the father that wants to be with him, just going off and doing his own thing with someone else. Yet Thomas still feels he is entitled to just pick him up and automatically he will live with him and the rest of the Forrester's in that house, no questions asked or required..

Can't be Team Thomas on this one this way. .Go to court and get it settled.
And both Brooke and Taylor butt out.

Wanda

The purpose behind Hope going after custody was because she and Brooke decided Thomas was unstable. So, yes, they did pass judgement. They were judge and jury. Nothing was ever said that I can remember about Hope telling the lawyer why she was going after custody. If he didn't know why would he request an evaluation.

It was not on Hope to get the evaluation or request it, it was on Tom's family, but they did not care about him, so the deed was done. Let's put the blame where it squarely belongs, on Taylor and Ridge. One could not even be bothered to check on her son, or do right by him. She knew he was not right in the head, and has not been since he tried to kill Rick, twice. She just does not care that much about Tom, that is obvious to anyone that has been watching. And Ridge, he covered for Tom knowing full well he was mental. Ridge wanted to pretend his son was OK, when he was not. Brooke tried to tell Ridge and he left her over it. So, lets put this blame where it belongs, on the parents of the mentally deranged Thomas. They never got him help when he was all but begging for it. When he tried to kill Rick twice, that was a cry for help. Taylor did nothing but let Pam go to jail for it, and whisk Tom out of the country to her lovers clinic. Ridge right now knows two things about Thomas that would disqualify him from getting custody of Douglas. He chased Emma to her death and did not call 911 to try and save her. He is currently hiding that he abetted Sheila in a crime.

fasbmaster said:<<<<homas wasn't in a good place mentally when he signed those papers. Hope and Brooke knew that and took advantage. That in itself brings into question the validity of the entire document/agreement.>>>>>>

Taylor is right, Thomas was not in a good place mentally but that was NOT for Hope or Brooke to say or pass judgement. A court or the lawyer himself who drew up the papers should have decided that. Of course now the writers can step in and say it was illegal and out and out war.. And Thomas thinks he is vindicated that Hope had him for X amount of times in years, so now is his turn. He has taken him and has no desire or intention of returning Douglas.

His conversation today when Liam was in the Forrester house and confronted him unawares proves when he keeps saying a couple of days, when we know it has been much much longer than that. They purposely do not say just how long it is, but it has been a long time, enough to have two of thoss Forrester get together's without Liam or Brooke invited. And we know those were not back to back nights, probably a week in between.

And any time Hope or today Liam ask about Douglas, he is not there. He is not with the father who he wants to be with or the father that wants to be with him, just going off and doing his own thing with someone else. Yet Thomas still feels he is entitled to just pick him up and automatically he will live with him and the rest of the Forrester's in that house, no questions asked or required..

Can't be Team Thomas on this one this way. .Go to court and get it settled.
And both Brooke and Taylor butt out.

Wanda

Right. I have a big problems with some of what you pointed out, too. Taylor says the two have all this time to make up for -- so why is Douglas with all these other people? Why isn't he at home? And why isn't Thomas being responsible enough to let the boy see his sister, mother and stepfather, too?

I'm not Team Thomas, either, because he's hoarding the kid.

My question is why hasn't Thomas been spending more time with Douglas. It's not like Hope ang let him see the child. It took Douglas asking Thomas if he ever thinks about him and if he misses him. Why would that be? We saw Thomas hanging at Steffys and surfing and blocking Brooke from seeing Ridge.

Thomas wasn't in a good place mentally when he signed those papers. Hope and Brooke knew that and took advantage. That in itself brings into question the validity of the entire document/agreement.

And he's in a good place mentally now? No. Taylor is actually keeping his secret right now from Brooke and Hope..they have no idea that Thomas harboring Sheila's crime of spiking Brooke's drink..a secret. Thomas knew pyscho Sheila is still dangerous, yet he said nothing. Just like he kept Beth is alive a secret from Hope/Lope. Not to mention, he was just shown looking at his screensaver of Hope/Douglas/him....Liam is right about Thomas and his obsession of Hope is coming back.

I guess Liam and Bill were not in their right mind when they kept the secret that Liam hit and killed Vinnie.

They were wrong for their hit and run, but they did NOT purposely kill Vinnie who threw himself in front of a car..it's a suicide. Thomas on the other hand, purposely hid the truth about Beth is alive from Hope..he purposely hid the truth about Sheila's crime from Brooke. He hasn't changed and his parents are delusional claiming he's all better now while they are keeping his secret right now.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

Thomas wasn't in a good place mentally when he signed those papers. Hope and Brooke knew that and took advantage. That in itself brings into question the validity of the entire document/agreement.

And he's in a good place mentally now? No. Taylor is actually keeping his secret right now from Brooke and Hope..they have no idea that Thomas harboring Sheila's crime of spiking Brooke's drink..a secret. Thomas knew pyscho Sheila is still dangerous, yet he said nothing. Just like he kept Beth is alive a secret from Hope/Lope. Not to mention, he was just shown looking at his screensaver of Hope/Douglas/him....Liam is right about Thomas and his obsession of Hope is coming back.

I guess Liam and Bill were not in their right mind when they kept the secret that Liam hit and killed Vinnie.

Liam definitely wanted to go to the police, and he shouldn't have let Bill stop him. They were certainly in their right minds. Bill knew he was covering up evidence, Liam knew he was an accessory. But Thomas didn't know he was romancing a mannequin. Big difference.

I have not watched but how just down right dumb for Taylor to say Thomas wasn’t right at the time he signed those papers but now he is fine.
Was he right when he hid the fact that Beth was alive?
Was he right when he abused his kid?
Was he right when he set fire to Rick’s house?
How about when he shot Rick?
How about when he did something and they blamed Pam?
How about when he was going to drug Hope for the wedding night?
How about when he drugged Liam?
Okay so everyone should get a second chance. Sure!
But since T’s mother and sister were too consumed with themselves to help Tom’s and Doug - why take him from tge woman he calls mom?
Oh and Thomas still has issues!
Why have a picture of the three of them on his phone?
Taylor is wrong - Again.
Anyone remember Sheila?? SMH

Re the picture on his phone. Maybe it's there for the same reason Steffy had a poster of her and Liam...to show Kelly how much her parents love her. But wait that can't be it because Douglas parents didn't and still don't love each other. Maybe Thomas should have a picture of Caroline for Douglas.

Thomas will never be redeemed.
That whole family needs serious help.

I have not watched but how just down right dumb for Taylor to say Thomas wasn’t right at the time he signed those papers but now he is fine.
Was he right when he hid the fact that Beth was alive?
Was he right when he abused his kid?
Was he right when he set fire to Rick’s house?
How about when he shot Rick?
How about when he did something and they blamed Pam?
How about when he was going to drug Hope for the wedding night?
How about when he drugged Liam?
Okay so everyone should get a second chance. Sure!
But since T’s mother and sister were too consumed with themselves to help Tom’s and Doug - why take him from tge woman he calls mom?
Oh and Thomas still has issues!
Why have a picture of the three of them on his phone?
Taylor is wrong - Again.
Anyone remember Sheila?? SMH

IKR?! And how can Taylor be right when she's MIA in recent years when her kids needed her the most? Then when she finally showed her face, she's always full of bad ideas and poor judgements. This quack is insane IMO.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

Thomas wasn't in a good place mentally when he signed those papers. Hope and Brooke knew that and took advantage. That in itself brings into question the validity of the entire document/agreement.

No it doesn't. No one held a gun to his head to make him sign it. He did it willingly to try to get into Hope's pants.

No one held a gun to his head but if someone is mentally unstable then documents signed can be challenged. That's why wills always require a person to be of sound mind.

Actually, he knew exactly what he was doing when he signed them papers..I remember him admitting to Zoe that by signing them papers would be a way for him to get close to Hope. Thomas is calculative..and Taylor is wrong cuz the only time Thomas wasn't in his right mind was the manniquin story which is way after he signed them papers.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

Thomas wasn't in a good place mentally when he signed those papers. Hope and Brooke knew that and took advantage. That in itself brings into question the validity of the entire document/agreement.

No it doesn't. No one held a gun to his head to make him sign it. He did it willingly to try to get into Hope's pants.

No one held a gun to his head but if someone is mentally unstable then documents signed can be challenged. That's why wills always require a person to be of sound mind.

Yes. And testamentary capacity requires that a person knows what he has and how he wants to distribute it. That's it.

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Thomas wasn't in a good place mentally when he signed those papers. Hope and Brooke knew that and took advantage. That in itself brings into question the validity of the entire document/agreement.

Lol, Taylor pushed for Hope to be Douglas's mommy even before Thomas started acting like a psycho. Of course, that was when she thought it would get Liam for Steffy.

I didn’t see steffy push for Hope but I did see sneaky Brooke run to a lawyer not even telling Hope she was going

I saw Steffy tell Douglas that she was happy for him that he had Hope and Liam for parents and to go home and be a family with them. This was after the Thomas/Zoe fake wedding.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

Thomas wasn't in a good place mentally when he signed those papers. Hope and Brooke knew that and took advantage. That in itself brings into question the validity of the entire document/agreement.

Lol, Taylor pushed for Hope to be Douglas's mommy even before Thomas started acting like a psycho. Of course, that was when she thought it would get Liam for Steffy.

Right. She always pushes and then when there's a problem, she's nowhere to clean it up or on the wrong side of it.

She comes back, causes chaos then leaves. There is no story for her but to break up Bridge. Once that is done what use is she?

Thomas wasn't in a good place mentally when he signed those papers. Hope and Brooke knew that and took advantage. That in itself brings into question the validity of the entire document/agreement.

Does Taylor even know what her son went through? And if it was a mental illness, Ridge and Steffy could have overridden Thomas' decision.

Well he all better now all he needs is a nice new gal…oh yea and his own house

He's not better now. He's in love with Hope again and trying to alienate Liam. He probably believes Hope loves Douglas enough to leave Liam and marry him.