Would the mean girls be doing this is Caroline was alive? (General)

matisse, 9/2/2022, 2:50PM (611 days ago)- 4 people liked this[O]

Would the mean girls, Taylor and Steffy be demanding that Tom should have his son fulltime, if Caroline was alive, and she and Douglas were living in NY or even LA? IDK. Because if they would, then they would have to understand that Liam too should be demanding that his daughter live with him full time and get to know the Spencer legacy. This is why I think they are just using Douglas as a pawn in their break up Bridge agenda. I cannot see them demanding that Caroline send Douglas to live full time with Tom, if she were still alive. So, if they would not do that then there is 2 things going on her....A. they think adoptive parents are less than zero or B. they are using the kid to break up Bridge.

This is the question Hope should be asking of all of them. IF Caroline was alive, would they still be pushing this agenda? And Taylor could start her psychobabble BS about how that is not a fair question since Caroline is dead, but any shrink would tell you, yes that is a fair way to deal with the issue. They have you look at the complete picture of why we are doing what we are doing, and if it is productive. TRQ should know that too.

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Juliah, 9/2/2022, 3:06PM (611 days ago) @matisse

Exactly. Great post. Hope is his mother , biological or not.

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BBfanforever, 9/2/2022, 3:11PM (611 days ago) @Juliah

Exactly. Great post. Hope is his mother , biological or not.

For a couple of years legally.
And Thomas is his father since he was a baby, legally AND biologically

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matisse, 9/2/2022, 3:20PM (611 days ago) @BBfanforever- 3 people liked this[O]

Exactly. Great post. Hope is his mother , biological or not.

For a couple of years legally.
And Thomas is his father since he was a baby, legally AND biologically

And it does not matter because the court looks at now is who the 2 legal parents are now. If they looked at the whole time Tom was his legal dad, that would not bode well for Tom. JMHO. In the space of those years, he did not know he was the dad for 4 months. The mother was married to his father. Upon returning to LA with his child, he helped kidnappers hide a baby thought to be dead, from her biological parents who had not given her up for adoption. He had mental collapse, a brain tumor, seizures and hallucinations. And, if anyone knows other than the audience, he abused his son mentally and physically. So, I think his bringing up how long he has been the kids dad, does not do him any favors. JMO

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Juliah, 9/2/2022, 4:43PM (611 days ago) @BBfanforever- one person liked this

This storyline is very insulting to adoptive parents.

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GracieGirl, 9/2/2022, 5:58PM (611 days ago) @Juliah

I agree. People have a hard time understanding. I cannot imagine there is a difference. The law says so. A legal adoption means that you are legally the child’s parent and there’s no such thing as one is less of a parent because you don’t share the same biology.

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Tiqui1999 @, 9/2/2022, 7:20PM (611 days ago) @BBfanforever

Exactly. Great post. Hope is his mother , biological or not.

For a couple of years legally.
And Thomas is his father since he was a baby, legally AND biologically

Only Legally matters. Until a court strips away Hope's rights, she's had them just as fully even if for one day as Thomas had them once he knew about Douglas being his -- IF he got Ridge off the birth certificate, that is, which I assume he did.

Would the mean girls be doing this is Caroline was alive?

Rena @, Landover, MD, 9/2/2022, 3:54PM (611 days ago) @matisse

Would the mean girls, Taylor and Steffy be demanding that Tom should have his son fulltime, if Caroline was alive, and she and Douglas were living in NY or even LA? IDK. Because if they would, then they would have to understand that Liam too should be demanding that his daughter live with him full time and get to know the Spencer legacy. This is why I think they are just using Douglas as a pawn in their break up Bridge agenda. I cannot see them demanding that Caroline send Douglas to live full time with Tom, if she were still alive. So, if they would not do that then there is 2 things going on her....A. they think adoptive parents are less than zero or B. they are using the kid to break up Bridge.

This is the question Hope should be asking of all of them. IF Caroline was alive, would they still be pushing this agenda? And Taylor could start her psychobabble BS about how that is not a fair question since Caroline is dead, but any shrink would tell you, yes that is a fair way to deal with the issue. They have you look at the complete picture of why we are doing what we are doing, and if it is productive. TRQ should know that too.

Of course they would!! If the situation was the same and Thomas has to step back from being a full time parent to work on his mental health, they would absolutely support his attempt to reestablish his role in Douglas' life if Caroline were the parent with physical custody.

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Drangonfly @, 9/2/2022, 7:40PM (611 days ago) @Rena

Would the mean girls, Taylor and Steffy be demanding that Tom should have his son fulltime, if Caroline was alive, and she and Douglas were living in NY or even LA? IDK. Because if they would, then they would have to understand that Liam too should be demanding that his daughter live with him full time and get to know the Spencer legacy. This is why I think they are just using Douglas as a pawn in their break up Bridge agenda. I cannot see them demanding that Caroline send Douglas to live full time with Tom, if she were still alive. So, if they would not do that then there is 2 things going on her....A. they think adoptive parents are less than zero or B. they are using the kid to break up Bridge.

This is the question Hope should be asking of all of them. IF Caroline was alive, would they still be pushing this agenda? And Taylor could start her psychobabble BS about how that is not a fair question since Caroline is dead, but any shrink would tell you, yes that is a fair way to deal with the issue. They have you look at the complete picture of why we are doing what we are doing, and if it is productive. TRQ should know that too.


Of course they would!! If the situation was the same and Thomas has to step back from being a full time parent to work on his mental health, they would absolutely support his attempt to reestablish his role in Douglas' life if Caroline were the parent with physical custody.

But would they try to take him from his home with Caroline?

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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Tiqui1999 @, 9/2/2022, 7:50PM (611 days ago) @Drangonfly

Would the mean girls, Taylor and Steffy be demanding that Tom should have his son fulltime, if Caroline was alive, and she and Douglas were living in NY or even LA? IDK. Because if they would, then they would have to understand that Liam too should be demanding that his daughter live with him full time and get to know the Spencer legacy. This is why I think they are just using Douglas as a pawn in their break up Bridge agenda. I cannot see them demanding that Caroline send Douglas to live full time with Tom, if she were still alive. So, if they would not do that then there is 2 things going on her....A. they think adoptive parents are less than zero or B. they are using the kid to break up Bridge.

This is the question Hope should be asking of all of them. IF Caroline was alive, would they still be pushing this agenda? And Taylor could start her psychobabble BS about how that is not a fair question since Caroline is dead, but any shrink would tell you, yes that is a fair way to deal with the issue. They have you look at the complete picture of why we are doing what we are doing, and if it is productive. TRQ should know that too.


Of course they would!! If the situation was the same and Thomas has to step back from being a full time parent to work on his mental health, they would absolutely support his attempt to reestablish his role in Douglas' life if Caroline were the parent with physical custody.


But would they try to take him from his home with Caroline?

Yeah, we're talking about two different things -- Stepping back into a joint custody role isn't the same as trying to take the child out of his home.

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hopeyougogirl, 9/2/2022, 8:16PM (611 days ago) @Drangonfly

Would the mean girls, Taylor and Steffy be demanding that Tom should have his son fulltime, if Caroline was alive, and she and Douglas were living in NY or even LA? IDK. Because if they would, then they would have to understand that Liam too should be demanding that his daughter live with him full time and get to know the Spencer legacy. This is why I think they are just using Douglas as a pawn in their break up Bridge agenda. I cannot see them demanding that Caroline send Douglas to live full time with Tom, if she were still alive. So, if they would not do that then there is 2 things going on her....A. they think adoptive parents are less than zero or B. they are using the kid to break up Bridge.

This is the question Hope should be asking of all of them. IF Caroline was alive, would they still be pushing this agenda? And Taylor could start her psychobabble BS about how that is not a fair question since Caroline is dead, but any shrink would tell you, yes that is a fair way to deal with the issue. They have you look at the complete picture of why we are doing what we are doing, and if it is productive. TRQ should know that too.


Of course they would!! If the situation was the same and Thomas has to step back from being a full time parent to work on his mental health, they would absolutely support his attempt to reestablish his role in Douglas' life if Caroline were the parent with physical custody.


But would they try to take him from his home with Caroline?

Of course, not. This whole push of biology by the mean girls has everything to do with their "war" against the Logans. Not so much about actually caring for Douglas.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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prime ⌂, Knoxville Tenn., 9/2/2022, 8:22PM (611 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

Would the mean girls, Taylor and Steffy be demanding that Tom should have his son fulltime, if Caroline was alive, and she and Douglas were living in NY or even LA? IDK. Because if they would, then they would have to understand that Liam too should be demanding that his daughter live with him full time and get to know the Spencer legacy. This is why I think they are just using Douglas as a pawn in their break up Bridge agenda. I cannot see them demanding that Caroline send Douglas to live full time with Tom, if she were still alive. So, if they would not do that then there is 2 things going on her....A. they think adoptive parents are less than zero or B. they are using the kid to break up Bridge.

This is the question Hope should be asking of all of them. IF Caroline was alive, would they still be pushing this agenda? And Taylor could start her psychobabble BS about how that is not a fair question since Caroline is dead, but any shrink would tell you, yes that is a fair way to deal with the issue. They have you look at the complete picture of why we are doing what we are doing, and if it is productive. TRQ should know that too.


Of course they would!! If the situation was the same and Thomas has to step back from being a full time parent to work on his mental health, they would absolutely support his attempt to reestablish his role in Douglas' life if Caroline were the parent with physical custody.


But would they try to take him from his home with Caroline?


Of course, not. This whole push of biology by the mean girls has everything to do with their "war" against the Logans. Not so much about actually caring for Douglas.

Exactly. The issue would never come up with Caroline...because they don't have a grudge against her.

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hopeyougogirl, 9/2/2022, 8:23PM (611 days ago) @prime- one person liked this

Would the mean girls, Taylor and Steffy be demanding that Tom should have his son fulltime, if Caroline was alive, and she and Douglas were living in NY or even LA? IDK. Because if they would, then they would have to understand that Liam too should be demanding that his daughter live with him full time and get to know the Spencer legacy. This is why I think they are just using Douglas as a pawn in their break up Bridge agenda. I cannot see them demanding that Caroline send Douglas to live full time with Tom, if she were still alive. So, if they would not do that then there is 2 things going on her....A. they think adoptive parents are less than zero or B. they are using the kid to break up Bridge.

This is the question Hope should be asking of all of them. IF Caroline was alive, would they still be pushing this agenda? And Taylor could start her psychobabble BS about how that is not a fair question since Caroline is dead, but any shrink would tell you, yes that is a fair way to deal with the issue. They have you look at the complete picture of why we are doing what we are doing, and if it is productive. TRQ should know that too.


Of course they would!! If the situation was the same and Thomas has to step back from being a full time parent to work on his mental health, they would absolutely support his attempt to reestablish his role in Douglas' life if Caroline were the parent with physical custody.


But would they try to take him from his home with Caroline?


Of course, not. This whole push of biology by the mean girls has everything to do with their "war" against the Logans. Not so much about actually caring for Douglas.


Exactly. The issue would never come up with Caroline...because they don't have a grudge against her.

Bingo!

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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q, 9/2/2022, 8:38PM (611 days ago) @matisse

Caroline? How would the mean girls feel about Thomas wanting Hope? After all Steffy has declared war on the Logans.
Hope did look beautiful today.

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maddiefan, 9/3/2022, 2:04AM (611 days ago) @matisse

Actually, Steffy didn't say anything about Caroline's lie because she wanted Douglas with both his parents and didn't trust Sally.Steffy always wants the children with both their parents.That has always been her weakness.

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Drangonfly @, 9/3/2022, 8:03AM (611 days ago) @maddiefan- one person liked this

Actually, Steffy didn't say anything about Caroline's lie because she wanted Douglas with both his parents and didn't trust Sally.Steffy always wants the children with both their parents.That has always been her weakness.

Steffy always tries to control other people's lives. She wants whatever serves her purpose.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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BBfanforever, 9/3/2022, 8:37AM (610 days ago) @Drangonfly

Actually, Steffy didn't say anything about Caroline's lie because she wanted Douglas with both his parents and didn't trust Sally.Steffy always wants the children with both their parents.That has always been her weakness.

Steffy always tries to control other people's lives. She wants whatever serves her purpose.

NO. That would be Brooke who lately refused to let Lope move out and currently claims she won’t allow Douglas to live with his father.
She also demanded Eric would divorce his wife …

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Drangonfly @, 9/3/2022, 9:01AM (610 days ago) @BBfanforever- one person liked this

Actually, Steffy didn't say anything about Caroline's lie because she wanted Douglas with both his parents and didn't trust Sally.Steffy always wants the children with both their parents.That has always been her weakness.

Steffy always tries to control other people's lives. She wants whatever serves her purpose.

NO. That would be Brooke who lately refused to let Lope move out and currently claims she won’t allow Douglas to live with his father.
She also demanded Eric would divorce his wife …

Brooke wouldn't allow Ridge to order Hope to move out. She wouldn't try to stop Hope from doing so if that's what she really wanted, which it isn't.

She won't allow the Tridge mafia to ignore Hope's rights as Douglas's mother is what she means by not allowing it.

Steffy, on the other hand, has been controlling people's lives for years. Just ask Hope, Ivy, Sally, and Liam, who said she tried to commandeer his. And Ridge, who she is currently trying to tell who he should be with.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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matisse, 9/3/2022, 12:37PM (610 days ago) @Drangonfly

Actually, Steffy didn't say anything about Caroline's lie because she wanted Douglas with both his parents and didn't trust Sally.Steffy always wants the children with both their parents.That has always been her weakness.

Steffy always tries to control other people's lives. She wants whatever serves her purpose.

NO. That would be Brooke who lately refused to let Lope move out and currently claims she won’t allow Douglas to live with his father.
She also demanded Eric would divorce his wife …


Brooke wouldn't allow Ridge to order Hope to move out. She wouldn't try to stop Hope from doing so if that's what she really wanted, which it isn't.

She won't allow the Tridge mafia to ignore Hope's rights as Douglas's mother is what she means by not allowing it.

Steffy, on the other hand, has been controlling people's lives for years. Just ask Hope, Ivy, Sally, and Liam, who said she tried to commandeer his. And Ridge, who she is currently trying to tell who he should be with.

TK just confirmed it in his latest interview. He said that Steffy was trying to control Ridge's life, and Ridge did not like it, but he thought her heart was in the right place. LOL. Imagine anyone thinking Steffy actually has a heart?

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Drangonfly @, 9/3/2022, 1:44PM (610 days ago) @matisse

Actually, Steffy didn't say anything about Caroline's lie because she wanted Douglas with both his parents and didn't trust Sally.Steffy always wants the children with both their parents.That has always been her weakness.

Steffy always tries to control other people's lives. She wants whatever serves her purpose.

NO. That would be Brooke who lately refused to let Lope move out and currently claims she won’t allow Douglas to live with his father.
She also demanded Eric would divorce his wife …


Brooke wouldn't allow Ridge to order Hope to move out. She wouldn't try to stop Hope from doing so if that's what she really wanted, which it isn't.

She won't allow the Tridge mafia to ignore Hope's rights as Douglas's mother is what she means by not allowing it.

Steffy, on the other hand, has been controlling people's lives for years. Just ask Hope, Ivy, Sally, and Liam, who said she tried to commandeer his. And Ridge, who she is currently trying to tell who he should be with.


TK just confirmed it in his latest interview. He said that Steffy was trying to control Ridge's life, and Ridge did not like it, but he thought her heart was in the right place. LOL. Imagine anyone thinking Steffy actually has a heart?

Lol, more like a black hole where a heart should be.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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Dreamgirl, 9/3/2022, 10:23AM (610 days ago) @maddiefan- one person liked this

Actually, Steffy didn't say anything about Caroline's lie because she wanted Douglas with both his parents and didn't trust Sally.Steffy always wants the children with both their parents.That has always been her weakness.

Except of course when the children are Hope and RJ. Then she screams "what about meeeeee" like a banshee.

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DDT, 9/3/2022, 6:31PM (610 days ago) @matisse

I would LOVE to have Liam tell Steffy he wants Kelly to come live with him full time because she's a Spencer and needs to understand her heritage. In fact, it would be even better if Liam and Hope first moved in with Bill so they could be in the "Spencer family home."

Sadly, that will never happen, but it would totally serve Steffy right if it did!

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