Brooke is a 2 faces snake (General)

While I agree Thomas should be raising Douglas I will say that Hope has gotten no credit for what she's done for the boy providing the only stability he's ever had in his life. I'm also guessing that she didn't receive ANY financial compensation for what she's done either.
The Forresters didn't want to help with the boy and never offered. Neither did Bill.
Taylor tries to act all sweet and nice but she's not. She just hides it better than Brooke does. Go Brooke. If Taylor wants Ridge make her pay for it.

Hope has gotten all the credit in the world. Every time some one talks about Douglas, they say how Hope created a stable and loving environment for him when Thomas could not. She did not however provide the only stable environment he's ever had. Thomas and Caroline were loving parents to Douglas. He was a well adjusted little boy when he came back to town after Caroline died.

I've always found Douglas well adjusted and just an awesome young man. My issue is that Hope should not be considered by the Forrester trio as a temporary solution. She adopted Douglas and became his legal mother for life, not his temporary parent until the Forresters wanted him back in the fold. There are so many legal, moral and ethical wrongs about what the trio are trying to do.

Thomas did not give up his parental rights. He shared them with Hope. Custody agreements can be revisited if circumstances change. There is nothing illegal or ethically or morally wrong with Thomas wanted to resume his place as Douglas' primary caregiver.

My issue is not with revisiting the custody agreement. If both Hope and Thomas agree to do that, I'm good with that. Sit down. Talk about it. Talk with Douglas. Keep it between the parents. My issue is the way it was presented by Thomas to Hope and the narrative between Taylor, Steffy, Thomas and Ridge about Douglas and being a Forrester and the whole taking back what is their's. That is where the ethical, moral and legal wrongs come into play.

Yeah, Steffy going off talking about taking Douglas back as if he's territory.

Exactly. Steffy has managed to objectify Douglas.

Thomas hasn't and he is the one pursuing a custody change. He has spoken about wanting him to know his Forrester legacy and grow up making memories with his side of the family as well. I can't fault him for that.

Yes, he is. What else does moving Douglas out of his residence and into another one and telling Hope that he wants to become a "primary parent" mean? To me, it means that joint custody is not enough and he's going for full custody.

While I agree Thomas should be raising Douglas I will say that Hope has gotten no credit for what she's done for the boy providing the only stability he's ever had in his life. I'm also guessing that she didn't receive ANY financial compensation for what she's done either.
The Forresters didn't want to help with the boy and never offered. Neither did Bill.
Taylor tries to act all sweet and nice but she's not. She just hides it better than Brooke does. Go Brooke. If Taylor wants Ridge make her pay for it.

Hope has gotten all the credit in the world. Every time some one talks about Douglas, they say how Hope created a stable and loving environment for him when Thomas could not. She did not however provide the only stable environment he's ever had. Thomas and Caroline were loving parents to Douglas. He was a well adjusted little boy when he came back to town after Caroline died.

I've always found Douglas well adjusted and just an awesome young man. My issue is that Hope should not be considered by the Forrester trio as a temporary solution. She adopted Douglas and became his legal mother for life, not his temporary parent until the Forresters wanted him back in the fold. There are so many legal, moral and ethical wrongs about what the trio are trying to do.

Thomas did not give up his parental rights. He shared them with Hope. Custody agreements can be revisited if circumstances change. There is nothing illegal or ethically or morally wrong with Thomas wanted to resume his place as Douglas' primary caregiver.

My issue is not with revisiting the custody agreement. If both Hope and Thomas agree to do that, I'm good with that. Sit down. Talk about it. Talk with Douglas. Keep it between the parents. My issue is the way it was presented by Thomas to Hope and the narrative between Taylor, Steffy, Thomas and Ridge about Douglas and being a Forrester and the whole taking back what is their's. That is where the ethical, moral and legal wrongs come into play.

Yeah, Steffy going off talking about taking Douglas back as if he's territory.

Exactly. Steffy has managed to objectify Douglas.

Thomas hasn't and he is the one pursuing a custody change. He has spoken about wanting him to know his Forrester legacy and grow up making memories with his side of the family as well. I can't fault him for that.

I can't fault him either. Douglas is his son. He wants to be his father and wants to have Douglas living with him. But, there is another parent involved here. Changing the arrangement/agreement is a two party decision. 50/50 is fair to both. However, I'm pretty sure that's not what Thomas wants. Seems the more he talks with his family, the more he wants sole custody.

While I agree Thomas should be raising Douglas I will say that Hope has gotten no credit for what she's done for the boy providing the only stability he's ever had in his life. I'm also guessing that she didn't receive ANY financial compensation for what she's done either.
The Forresters didn't want to help with the boy and never offered. Neither did Bill.
Taylor tries to act all sweet and nice but she's not. She just hides it better than Brooke does. Go Brooke. If Taylor wants Ridge make her pay for it.

Hope has gotten all the credit in the world. Every time some one talks about Douglas, they say how Hope created a stable and loving environment for him when Thomas could not. She did not however provide the only stable environment he's ever had. Thomas and Caroline were loving parents to Douglas. He was a well adjusted little boy when he came back to town after Caroline died.

I've always found Douglas well adjusted and just an awesome young man. My issue is that Hope should not be considered by the Forrester trio as a temporary solution. She adopted Douglas and became his legal mother for life, not his temporary parent until the Forresters wanted him back in the fold. There are so many legal, moral and ethical wrongs about what the trio are trying to do.

Thomas did not give up his parental rights. He shared them with Hope. Custody agreements can be revisited if circumstances change. There is nothing illegal or ethically or morally wrong with Thomas wanted to resume his place as Douglas' primary caregiver.

But it can't be done unilaterally. Either Hope has to agree or they go to court. Maybe the WRP should have thought about that before she pushed Thomas to have Hope step up as Douglas' mother. I am sure the Forrester bullies just expect Hope to roll over but if she thinks Douglas staying with her is in his best interest, she should fight it all the way.

Precisely. Hope doesn't get to dictate that the arrangement stays the same, either. Neither does Brooke who is trotting around saying what she will and will not allow. Hope and Thomas have to work this out and if they can't they will need to get a mediator. Their parents and extended family should stay out of it but we all know that will not happen.

If Thomas doesn't like what Hope says, then Thomas needs to go to court. Otherwise, Hope really does get to decide that it stays the same. Only the force of law or Hope's agreement can change it. The agreement as it is -- that's legally binding. Thomas must get a new legally binding agreement if he wants to change it.

But that's where things get blurry because we dont know that the agreement gives her primary custody. Somebody needs to come through with some receipts If memory serves, I dont think that Douglas went to live with Hope right away after they signed the guardianship agreement. Once it was clear that Thomas had been lying about changing his behavior, that's when Douglas moved in with Hope because Thomas' mental state prevented him from taking care of Douglas. It may be that Hope got physical custody because at the time, it was best for Douglas. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

You're talking about during the Zoe SL? I thought Douglas was living with Hope during that SL? Thoma was living with Vinny.

LadyMac can correct me if I'm wrong, but I also think there is a such thing as -- because you let something go on for so long, you lost your right to it. Now, I don't know if that's with custody, but I know it's that way with use of your land. Like if you don't stop people from walking through your yard for a certain period of time, then you lose the right to stop them from using it as a pathway. If you don't stop your neighbor from gardening on a piece of your land, after a while, you lose your right to stop them.

I'm thinking either way, if Thomas let her have his rights, he still needs to go to court to assert whatever rights are his.

While I agree Thomas should be raising Douglas I will say that Hope has gotten no credit for what she's done for the boy providing the only stability he's ever had in his life. I'm also guessing that she didn't receive ANY financial compensation for what she's done either.
The Forresters didn't want to help with the boy and never offered. Neither did Bill.
Taylor tries to act all sweet and nice but she's not. She just hides it better than Brooke does. Go Brooke. If Taylor wants Ridge make her pay for it.

Hope has gotten all the credit in the world. Every time some one talks about Douglas, they say how Hope created a stable and loving environment for him when Thomas could not. She did not however provide the only stable environment he's ever had. Thomas and Caroline were loving parents to Douglas. He was a well adjusted little boy when he came back to town after Caroline died.

I've always found Douglas well adjusted and just an awesome young man. My issue is that Hope should not be considered by the Forrester trio as a temporary solution. She adopted Douglas and became his legal mother for life, not his temporary parent until the Forresters wanted him back in the fold. There are so many legal, moral and ethical wrongs about what the trio are trying to do.

Thomas did not give up his parental rights. He shared them with Hope. Custody agreements can be revisited if circumstances change. There is nothing illegal or ethically or morally wrong with Thomas wanted to resume his place as Douglas' primary caregiver.

But it can't be done unilaterally. Either Hope has to agree or they go to court. Maybe the WRP should have thought about that before she pushed Thomas to have Hope step up as Douglas' mother. I am sure the Forrester bullies just expect Hope to roll over but if she thinks Douglas staying with her is in his best interest, she should fight it all the way.

Precisely. Hope doesn't get to dictate that the arrangement stays the same, either. Neither does Brooke who is trotting around saying what she will and will not allow. Hope and Thomas have to work this out and if they can't they will need to get a mediator. Their parents and extended family should stay out of it but we all know that will not happen.

Wrong. Until the arrangement is changed, then the current situation remains the same. Which means she does get to dictate all terms as they were previously agreed. I totally agree this could be a good situation for mediation but Brooke, Deacon, Taylor and Ridge need to sit down and allow Hope and Thomas to work this out.

No I meant that she cannot just say that the arrangement stays the same and just expect Thomas to go along with it. Thomas is serious about this and he is taking his time and not rushing into anything. He obviously is taking Hope's feelings into consideration and acknowledging the care and home he provided for Douglas.

I don't think he is considering her feelings. I have heard her consider his, but maybe I missed where he was telling his family considerate things about her feelings?

Today Brooke told Taylor Thomas can't take Douglas out of Hope's house. She will not allow it!
First WHO does she think she is ? Hope is a baby who can’t fight her battles ?
Will she use the SAME speech with Ridge ? Or will she be her usual 2 faced SNAKE ? Showing her nasty shrewish nature only around women ?

Brooke is? I love it. Time to fight fire with fire. Go Brooke!

Go Brooke show yourself
But we all know Brooke won’t show her true colors to Ridge … I wish he could catch her talking to Steffy Thomas or Taylor in her real usual fishmonger style
Class can’t be bought and blood always shows

Ridge never hears how Brooke really talks about/to Steffy, Thomas and Taylor. Brooke talks to Ridge about them one way and then turned around and talks to them another way.

Actually it's not true. Brooke expressed to Ridge how she isn't sure if Thomas really got better and she also expressed how displeased she is with Steffy on so many occasions.

Actually it is and there are plenty of episodes/videos to prove that point.

There is a transcript posted in this very thread where Brooke is telling Ridge exactly how she feels about Thomas taking Doug. No sugar coating.

I’m not talking recently. How long have you been watching? Plenty of instances of Brooke bad mouthing Ridges kids mainly Steffy. But sugarcoating when talking to her destiny. Plenty of videos to prove that. I’ll stick to my comment.

But Brooke doesn't hide from Ridge what she thinks about Thomas and Steffy. She is often angry with them, but she often also treats them good because she forgives them for all the horrible things they do to her for some magical reason. God knows I wouldn't be able to do it. Brooke treats Steffy and Thomas better than Taylor treats Hope and technically Hope didn't hurt Taylor and Taylor still owes Hope an apology for being stupid and buying her baby.

Oh she sure does

No. Brooke literally told Ridge what she told Hope. She doesn't trust Thomas he is 100% ok now. Brooke had arguments with Steffy in front of Ridge and literally told him that Steffy stole Liam from Hope. They had multiple arguments about their children. Ridge also doesn't hide from Brooke what he thinks about her kids. These two mainly argue with each other because they share these kind of opinions with one another.

Today Brooke told Taylor Thomas can't take Douglas out of Hope's house. She will not allow it!
First WHO does she think she is ? Hope is a baby who can’t fight her battles ?
Will she use the SAME speech with Ridge ? Or will she be her usual 2 faced SNAKE ? Showing her nasty shrewish nature only around women ?

Brooke is? I love it. Time to fight fire with fire. Go Brooke!

Go Brooke show yourself
But we all know Brooke won’t show her true colors to Ridge … I wish he could catch her talking to Steffy Thomas or Taylor in her real usual fishmonger style
Class can’t be bought and blood always shows

Ridge never hears how Brooke really talks about/to Steffy, Thomas and Taylor. Brooke talks to Ridge about them one way and then turned around and talks to them another way.

Actually it's not true. Brooke expressed to Ridge how she isn't sure if Thomas really got better and she also expressed how displeased she is with Steffy on so many occasions.

Actually it is and there are plenty of episodes/videos to prove that point.

There is a transcript posted in this very thread where Brooke is telling Ridge exactly how she feels about Thomas taking Doug. No sugar coating.

I’m not talking recently. How long have you been watching? Plenty of instances of Brooke bad mouthing Ridges kids mainly Steffy. But sugarcoating when talking to her destiny. Plenty of videos to prove that. I’ll stick to my comment.

I've been watching long enough to stick to my comment as well. There are plenty of instances of Ridge and Brooke disagreeing about their kids. They have even almost broken up a couple of times due to that.

And also plenty of instances of what I commented on.

Fair enough. The comment I was responding to is bolded above where it says Ridge never hears. The "never" is where the disagreement arises.