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Viola, 8/13/2022, 8:31PM (631 days ago)

There will be a custody battle between Thomas and Hope... And of course Hope won't tell the judge about all of Thomas's crimes? I feel it will be this way because I already saw how much Taylor and Steffy are judging Brooke to her face and she doesn't even clap back by mentioning their own "sins" so I guess it would be the same thing in the custody battle...?

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Drangonfly @, 8/13/2022, 8:54PM (631 days ago) @Viola

There will be a custody battle between Thomas and Hope... And of course Hope won't tell the judge about all of Thomas's crimes? I feel it will be this way because I already saw how much Taylor and Steffy are judging Brooke to her face and she doesn't even clap back by mentioning their own "sins" so I guess it would be the same thing in the custody battle...?

It's a given. Hope and Brooke must be tortured while the Tridge mafia answer for nothing. And all while they act like hypocrites.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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q, 8/13/2022, 9:06PM (631 days ago) @Drangonfly

There will be a custody battle between Thomas and Hope... And of course Hope won't tell the judge about all of Thomas's crimes? I feel it will be this way because I already saw how much Taylor and Steffy are judging Brooke to her face and she doesn't even clap back by mentioning their own "sins" so I guess it would be the same thing in the custody battle...?


It's a given. Hope and Brooke must be tortured while the Tridge mafia answer for nothing. And all while they act like hypocrites.

It's not an act. Hypocrites is what they are.

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hopeyougogirl, 8/13/2022, 10:58PM (631 days ago) @q- one person liked this

There will be a custody battle between Thomas and Hope... And of course Hope won't tell the judge about all of Thomas's crimes? I feel it will be this way because I already saw how much Taylor and Steffy are judging Brooke to her face and she doesn't even clap back by mentioning their own "sins" so I guess it would be the same thing in the custody battle...?


It's a given. Hope and Brooke must be tortured while the Tridge mafia answer for nothing. And all while they act like hypocrites.


It's not an act. Hypocrites is what they are.

Yep..mean bullies/malicious people too.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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Lizzy54 @, Austria, 8/14/2022, 1:11AM (631 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

The writing has become very one-sided...:roll

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maddiefan, 8/14/2022, 2:00AM (631 days ago) @Viola

The ones never allowed to clap back are Steffy , Taylor and Thomas.For years Steffy took their bullying without defending herself.And boy, could she have shut them up in a heartbeat with everything she knew about them.Thomas has every right to get his son back, Hope and Brooke need to get over themselves already.

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BBfanforever, 8/14/2022, 3:39AM (631 days ago) @maddiefan

The ones never allowed to clap back are Steffy , Taylor and Thomas.For years Steffy took their bullying without defending herself.And boy, could she have shut them up in a heartbeat with everything she knew about them.Thomas has every right to get his son back, Hope and Brooke need to get over themselves already.

It’s not as if Hope won’t see him again at all
Just saw the promo called custody … Brooke and Rudge will be involved YAWN

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Barbybo, 8/14/2022, 6:19AM (631 days ago) @BBfanforever

The ones never allowed to clap back are Steffy , Taylor and Thomas.For years Steffy took their bullying without defending herself.And boy, could she have shut them up in a heartbeat with everything she knew about them.Thomas has every right to get his son back, Hope and Brooke need to get over themselves already.

It’s not as if Hope won’t see him again at all
Just saw the promo called custody … Brooke and Rudge will be involved YAWN

It is toms son, gawd he’s not going to end of earth …lope needs to give kid his wish

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CBS03-12, 8/14/2022, 10:16AM (631 days ago) @maddiefan

Thomas doesn't have every right. Thomas should be rotting in jail with his complicit Sheila. I can't imagine any judge on Earth ruling in his favor if all of his crimes and emotional abuse is exposed. The sole fact that he chose Sheila over his family or tried to sell his son against sex would be enough.

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BBfanforever, 8/14/2022, 3:36AM (631 days ago) @Viola
edited by BBfanforever, 8/14/2022, 4:00AM

There will be a custody battle between Thomas and Hope... And of course Hope won't tell the judge about all of Thomas's crimes? I feel it will be this way because I already saw how much Taylor and Steffy are judging Brooke to her face and she doesn't even clap back by mentioning their own "sins" so I guess it would be the same thing in the custody battle...?

We will see what the writers decide … what could they hold against him ?
Very young Thomas scared Rick twice after he was the cause of his little sister s death (Thomas was perfectly fine until that scum was the cause of Phoebe s distress and refused to let her out of his car like she asked) but there’s not record
He kept the lie about Beth for a few weeks for his sister s sake but no record
Hope threw him in an acid bath (she thought) but no record
Brooke threw him from a cliff and Hope knew it but no record
If there’s a trial Thomas allowed Hope to adopt his son bc he was at a low point over loosing the mother of his child. Now he s better and wants to live with his only son, primary not sole custody
Is there a case ?

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Drangonfly @, 8/14/2022, 8:42AM (631 days ago) @BBfanforever- one person liked this

There will be a custody battle between Thomas and Hope... And of course Hope won't tell the judge about all of Thomas's crimes? I feel it will be this way because I already saw how much Taylor and Steffy are judging Brooke to her face and she doesn't even clap back by mentioning their own "sins" so I guess it would be the same thing in the custody battle...?

We will see what the writers decide … what could they hold against him ?
Very young Thomas scared Rick twice after he was the cause of his little sister s death (Thomas was perfectly fine until that scum was the cause of Phoebe s distress and refused to let her out of his car like she asked) but there’s not record
He kept the lie about Beth for a few weeks for his sister s sake but no record
Hope threw him in an acid bath (she thought) but no record
Brooke threw him from a cliff and Hope knew it but no record
If there’s a trial Thomas allowed Hope to adopt his son bc he was at a low point over loosing the mother of his child. Now he s better and wants to live with his only son, primary not sole custody
Is there a case ?

He wanted to trade him for sex. And Ridge and Steffy are aware of that. He also faked his own death and then disappeared for weeks, with no thought whatsoever to Douglas.

Thomas was a complete psycho. That's the reason Douglas wound up with Hope and Liam in the first place. Are we to forget how he terrorized Douglas with his fake relationship with Zoe? How he threatened that Zoe would take Hope's place as his mommy? How he set up the phony wedding?

What about how he threatened Xander and Zoe if they told what he knew about Beth? What about what he did to Emma?

But, no matter. I'm sure the writers won't have Hope bring up any of it. Just as they had Brooke stand there and listen to the attempted murderer and the father-in-law banger judge her for one drunken kiss.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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BBfanforever, 8/14/2022, 9:20AM (631 days ago) @Drangonfly- one person liked this

There will be a custody battle between Thomas and Hope... And of course Hope won't tell the judge about all of Thomas's crimes? I feel it will be this way because I already saw how much Taylor and Steffy are judging Brooke to her face and she doesn't even clap back by mentioning their own "sins" so I guess it would be the same thing in the custody battle...?

We will see what the writers decide … what could they hold against him ?
Very young Thomas scared Rick twice after he was the cause of his little sister s death (Thomas was perfectly fine until that scum was the cause of Phoebe s distress and refused to let her out of his car like she asked) but there’s not record
He kept the lie about Beth for a few weeks for his sister s sake but no record
Hope threw him in an acid bath (she thought) but no record
Brooke threw him from a cliff and Hope knew it but no record
If there’s a trial Thomas allowed Hope to adopt his son bc he was at a low point over loosing the mother of his child. Now he s better and wants to live with his only son, primary not sole custody
Is there a case ?

He wanted to trade him for sex. And Ridge and Steffy are aware of that.
He also faked his own death and then disappeared for weeks, with no thought whatsoever to Douglas.

Hope would explain that to a judge ?

Thomas was a complete psycho. That's the reason Douglas wound up with Hope and Liam in the first place. Are we to forget how he terrorized Douglas with his fake relationship with Zoe? How he threatened that Zoe would take Hope's place as his mommy? How he set up the phony wedding?

Since then he had brain surgery … the magic soap cure

What about how he threatened Xander and Zoe if they told what he knew about Beth? What about what he did to Emma?

Xander Zoé knew for longer than Thomas and said nothing
The writers made clear Emma s death was an accident … convinient for Thomas plans but still an accident

But, no matter. I'm sure the writers won't have Hope bring up any of it. Just as they had Brooke stand there and listen to the attempted murderer and the father-in-law banger judge her for one drunken kiss.

Please BROOKE was the first to judge Steffy when she’s the original step son, sonS in law and brother in low banger. Brooke asking for respect of marriage makes her the worst hypocrite on this show

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BellaSole, Beverly Hills, California, 8/14/2022, 9:30AM (631 days ago) @BBfanforever- one person liked this

There will be a custody battle between Thomas and Hope... And of course Hope won't tell the judge about all of Thomas's crimes? I feel it will be this way because I already saw how much Taylor and Steffy are judging Brooke to her face and she doesn't even clap back by mentioning their own "sins" so I guess it would be the same thing in the custody battle...?

We will see what the writers decide … what could they hold against him ?
Very young Thomas scared Rick twice after he was the cause of his little sister s death (Thomas was perfectly fine until that scum was the cause of Phoebe s distress and refused to let her out of his car like she asked) but there’s not record
He kept the lie about Beth for a few weeks for his sister s sake but no record
Hope threw him in an acid bath (she thought) but no record
Brooke threw him from a cliff and Hope knew it but no record
If there’s a trial Thomas allowed Hope to adopt his son bc he was at a low point over loosing the mother of his child. Now he s better and wants to live with his only son, primary not sole custody
Is there a case ?

He wanted to trade him for sex. And Ridge and Steffy are aware of that.
He also faked his own death and then disappeared for weeks, with no thought whatsoever to Douglas.

Hope would explain that to a judge ?

Thomas was a complete psycho. That's the reason Douglas wound up with Hope and Liam in the first place. Are we to forget how he terrorized Douglas with his fake relationship with Zoe? How he threatened that Zoe would take Hope's place as his mommy? How he set up the phony wedding?

Since then he had brain surgery … the magic soap cure

What about how he threatened Xander and Zoe if they told what he knew about Beth? What about what he did to Emma?

Xander Zoé knew for longer than Thomas and said nothing
The writers made clear Emma s death was an accident … convinient for Thomas plans but still an accident

But, no matter. I'm sure the writers won't have Hope bring up any of it. Just as they had Brooke stand there and listen to the attempted murderer and the father-in-law banger judge her for one drunken kiss.

Please BROOKE was the first to judge Steffy when she’s the original step son, sonS in law and brother in low banger. Brooke asking for respect of marriage makes her the worst hypocrite on this show

Oh, not really. Taylor accepts sainthood when she shot a man and left him to die, and she also just doesn't count all the nameless, faceless men she banged from the docks. And if Brooke is to be judged, then we have to acknowledged the fact that Taylor worked her way sexually through all the Logan and Forrester men, as well as so many others, of course.

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CBS03-12, 8/14/2022, 10:26AM (631 days ago) @BBfanforever
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OMG, the brain surgery excuse again? The dialogs made it crystal clear his brain bleed was recent and appeared after his banged his head on the desk. This is when he took the doll in his apartment and started raving.
Anything that happened BEFORE he hit his head and AFTER the surgery is on him 100%. There was no brain bleed when he watched Emma die with a smile on her face, tried to throw Liam off the roof or when he terrorized Douglas, threatened to hit him and abandon him. The ONLY thing his brain injury excuses is the Hope doll. All the rest is ON HIM.
Xander Zoe knew longer than Thomas maybe. But at least they didn't threaten to murder anyone. They didn't use every tricks in the book to keep the secret. They didn't try to kill anyone, they didn't try to kidnap anyone over this secret. They simply kept their mouth shut. Thomas went 100000x further than this.

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BBfanforever, 8/14/2022, 12:32PM (631 days ago) @CBS03-12

OMG, the brain surgery excuse again? The dialogs made it crystal clear his brain bleed was recent and appeared after his banged his head on the desk. This is when he took the doll in his apartment and started raving.
Anything that happened BEFORE he hit his head and AFTER the surgery is on him 100%. There was no brain bleed when he watched Emma die with a smile on her face, tried to throw Liam off the roof or when he terrorized Douglas, threatened to hit him and abandon him. The ONLY thing his brain injury excuses is the Hope doll. All the rest is ON HIM.

Depends on the WRITERS

Xander Zoe knew longer than Thomas maybe. But at least they didn't threaten to murder anyone. They didn't use every tricks in the book to keep the secret. They didn't try to kill anyone, they didn't try to kidnap anyone over this secret. They simply kept their mouth shut. Thomas went 100000x further than this.

Nope Point is they just willingly shut up then tried to blame a convenient scapegoat for THEIR decision.

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rain4 @, 8/14/2022, 6:16PM (631 days ago) @BBfanforever

This is just a buch of excuses to justify his behavior. No kind of brain surgery could possibly justify what he did.
Do you really want a list of all the reasons why Thomas' "love" for his son his fake and why they shouldn't live together?

What happened on the Forrester roof is a good one to begin with. Liam found out Beth was alive and decided to tell Hope the truth so what was the best option? Push Liam and get rid of him once and for all and then kidnap his own wife and separate her from her daughter. In just 1 episode he tried to destroy the life of the 2 people who saved his son.

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BBfanforever, 8/15/2022, 3:30AM (630 days ago) @rain4

This is just a buch of excuses to justify his behavior. No kind of brain surgery could possibly justify what he did.

If the writers say so it does. It’s not real life

Do you really want a list of all the reasons why Thomas' "love" for his son his fake and why they shouldn't live together?

The current narrative is Thomas loves his son and DOUGLAS loves his father and wants more time with him

What happened on the Forrester roof is a good one to begin with. Liam found out Beth was alive and decided to tell Hope the truth so what was the best option? Push Liam and get rid of him once and for all and then kidnap his own wife and separate her from her daughter. In just 1 episode he tried to destroy the life of the 2 people who saved his son.

Douglas wasn’t in danger and lope are not his saviours
Now if Douglas wants to live with his dad, lope shouldn’t interfere

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CBS03-12, 8/14/2022, 10:22AM (631 days ago) @BBfanforever

You forget he tried to murder Douglas' stepfather (by shoving him off a roof) and then attemped to kidnap Douglas mother when she decided to leave him.
You forget he tried to exchange custody of his son against sex with Hope. You forget he threatened to murder Zoe, Emma, Xander and Flo.
Thomas didn't try to ''scare'' Rick. He set his house on fire and left him for dead, and then he let his aunt rot in jail for weeks for his crime.
And so on. I could go on and on and on when it comes to Thomas.

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BBfanforever, 8/14/2022, 12:39PM (631 days ago) @CBS03-12- one person liked this

You forget he tried to murder Douglas' stepfather (by shoving him off a roof) and then attemped to kidnap Douglas mother when she decided to leave him.
You forget he tried to exchange custody of his son against sex with Hope. You forget he threatened to murder Zoe, Emma, Xander and Flo.

Sure … bc I didn’t see all that happened that way

Thomas didn't try to ''scare'' Rick. He set his house on fire and left him for dead, and then he let his aunt rot in jail for weeks for his crime.

No. Thomas didn’t want to kill Rick just to scare the scum.

And so on. I could go on and on and on when it comes to Thomas

Thomas is Douglas father PERIOD
Lope can have their own child. Liam didn’t want him anyway and Hope and Brooke tried to trick Thomas into signing adoption papers

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CBS03-12, 8/14/2022, 2:44PM (631 days ago) @BBfanforever- one person liked this

"No. Thomas didn’t want to kill Rick just to scare the scum".
Thomas is a pathological liar. Just because he said he was trying to scare Rick doesn't make it true. No judge in the world would believe him. He set Rick's house on fire, left thinking he killed him and let Pam rot in jail. Premeditated first degree attempted murder with aggravating circumstances and obstruction. This is how any judge would see it.
You didn't see WHAT that way? Thomas smashed a locked door and hit Liam in the head and knocked him out. Then he tried to lift him and make him go over the roof. Just because Liam defended himself and Thomas didn't succeed doesn't make it any better. An attempted murder is still an attempted murder even if the victim survives. Then he tried to force Hope into the helicopter and leave. If you physically force someone to go somewhere, it's an attempted kidnapping. Against, just because Liam saved Hope and Thomas failed doesn't make him look ANY better.

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B&Bfan1980, 8/14/2022, 10:53AM (631 days ago) @Viola

There will be a custody battle between Thomas and Hope... And of course Hope won't tell the judge about all of Thomas's crimes? I feel it will be this way because I already saw how much Taylor and Steffy are judging Brooke to her face and she doesn't even clap back by mentioning their own "sins" so I guess it would be the same thing in the custody battle...?

I don't think there is going to be a custody battle. This is all hype. When Douglass says he wants to live with his father Hope will allow it. I just hope he continues to be a big part of her life. Maybe she and Liam can have another baby it won't replace Douglass but will help ease the transition.

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BellaSole, Beverly Hills, California, 8/14/2022, 11:42AM (631 days ago) @B&Bfan1980

There will be a custody battle between Thomas and Hope... And of course Hope won't tell the judge about all of Thomas's crimes? I feel it will be this way because I already saw how much Taylor and Steffy are judging Brooke to her face and she doesn't even clap back by mentioning their own "sins" so I guess it would be the same thing in the custody battle...?


I don't think there is going to be a custody battle. This is all hype. When Douglass says he wants to live with his father Hope will allow it. I just hope he continues to be a big part of her life. Maybe she and Liam can have another baby it won't replace Douglass but will help ease the transition.

I just want Hope to have a little boy so she and Liam both know the joy of bonding with him right after his birth. I'd like to see Liam have a son as well, adding to the male Spencer men. Bill Sr., Bill Jr., Wyatt, Liam, Will, and a new little boy for Hope.

I don't know if they'll be a custody battle or not, but I think this will shake up a lot of the adults' lives. For goodness sake, as an adopted child, I hope Finn is allowed to express an opinion.

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BBfanforever, 8/14/2022, 12:40PM (631 days ago) @B&Bfan1980

There will be a custody battle between Thomas and Hope... And of course Hope won't tell the judge about all of Thomas's crimes? I feel it will be this way because I already saw how much Taylor and Steffy are judging Brooke to her face and she doesn't even clap back by mentioning their own "sins" so I guess it would be the same thing in the custody battle...?

I don't think there is going to be a custody battle. This is all hype. When Douglass says he wants to live with his father Hope will allow it. I just hope he continues to be a big part of her life. Maybe she and Liam can have another baby it won't replace Douglass but will help ease the transition.

Where would be the SL then ?

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GracieGirl, 8/14/2022, 1:02PM (631 days ago) @BBfanforever

It’s not a story worth telling, not if writers have to make up stuff to tell it. There were other choices. For example, make it such that Douglas wants Liam to adopt him, too. He wants a whole family. That would have been powerful.

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BBfanforever, 8/14/2022, 1:11PM (631 days ago) @GracieGirl- one person liked this

It’s not a story worth telling, not if writers have to make up stuff to tell it. There were other choices. For example, make it such that Douglas wants Liam to adopt him, too. He wants a whole family. That would have been powerful.

Sooooo right to want Thomas to loose HIS only child to his adoptive father who did not wanted Douglas in the first place.
Douglas has always been shown adoring his dad … Changing THAT would be making up stuff
Hope should remember she thought an adoptive parent counts less than the bio parent and could be cut from a baby s child life suddenly without regards for the child or adoptive mother

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Liz @, 8/14/2022, 1:14PM (631 days ago) @BBfanforever

It’s not a story worth telling, not if writers have to make up stuff to tell it. There were other choices. For example, make it such that Douglas wants Liam to adopt him, too. He wants a whole family. That would have been powerful.

Sooooo right to want Thomas to loose HIS only child to his adoptive father who did not wanted Douglas in the first place.
Douglas has always been shown adoring his dad … Changing THAT would be making up stuff
Hope should remember she thought an adoptive parent counts less than the bio parent and could be cut from a baby s child life suddenly without regards for the child or adoptive mother

Douglas has definitely not been shown always adoring his dad.

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GracieGirl, 8/14/2022, 1:17PM (631 days ago) @BBfanforever

I didn’t say it would end up that way. I just say there was a better way of getting into this story without making parents the villain. We don’t need to hear Steffy or Ridge make catty statements when Hope has not formally pushed back. She was just surprised.

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BBfanforever, 8/14/2022, 1:21PM (631 days ago) @GracieGirl- one person liked this

I didn’t say it would end up that way. I just say there was a better way of getting into this story without making parents the villain. We don’t need to hear Steffy or Ridge make catty statements when Hope has not formally pushed back. She was just surprised.

No. She CUT SHORT Douglas s time with his father
The poor boy was so sad but ALL Hope cared about were HER feelings

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PatriotGirl @, 8/14/2022, 2:45PM (631 days ago) @BBfanforever- one person liked this

I didn’t say it would end up that way. I just say there was a better way of getting into this story without making parents the villain. We don’t need to hear Steffy or Ridge make catty statements when Hope has not formally pushed back. She was just surprised.

No. She CUT SHORT Douglas s time with his father
The poor boy was so sad but ALL Hope cared about were HER feelings

That was so unnecessary for her to do. His one chapter of summer reading could have waited till later or the next day.

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BellaSole, Beverly Hills, California, 8/14/2022, 2:27PM (631 days ago) @BBfanforever- one person liked this

It’s not a story worth telling, not if writers have to make up stuff to tell it. There were other choices. For example, make it such that Douglas wants Liam to adopt him, too. He wants a whole family. That would have been powerful.

Sooooo right to want Thomas to loose HIS only child to his adoptive father who did not wanted Douglas in the first place.
Douglas has always been shown adoring his dad … Changing THAT would be making up stuff
Hope should remember she thought an adoptive parent counts less than the bio parent and could be cut from a baby s child life suddenly without regards for the child or adoptive mother

Hope didn't agree that she would share custody of Beth with Steffy. Beth's adoption by Steffy was illegal.

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Lizzy54 @, Austria, 8/14/2022, 2:39PM (631 days ago) @BellaSole

The two adoptions can´t even be compared...Beth was stolen from Hope, bought by Taylor, the whole adoption was illegal and a case of baby-trafficking.

Douglas was not stolen, not sold, Tom had him when he did co-parent with Caroline...that he didn´t have him from birth on was Ridge´s fault who let everybody believe Douglas was his son and Tom´s brother.
It was Tom´s wish that Hope should be Douglas mother, he taught him to call her "Mommy Hope", he faked Caroline´s letter and drawings "by Douglas" to get his wish.
So when Tom signed over custody to Hope it was what Tom wanted.

Totally different in any way.

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hopeyougogirl, 8/14/2022, 2:46PM (631 days ago) @Lizzy54- one person liked this

The two adoptions can´t even be compared...Beth was stolen from Hope, bought by Taylor, the whole adoption was illegal and a case of baby-trafficking.

Douglas was not stolen, not sold, Tom had him when he did co-parent with Caroline...that he didn´t have him from birth on was Ridge´s fault who let everybody believe Douglas was his son and Tom´s brother.
It was Tom´s wish that Hope should be Douglas mother, he taught him to call her "Mommy Hope", he faked Caroline´s letter and drawings "by Douglas" to get his wish.
So when Tom signed over custody to Hope it was what Tom wanted.

Totally different in any way.

Yep, comparing the two situations are laughable IMO..not even close.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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BBfanforever, 8/14/2022, 3:01PM (631 days ago) @Lizzy54

The two adoptions can´t even be compared...Beth was stolen from Hope, bought by Taylor, the whole adoption was illegal and a case of baby-trafficking.

But in Steffy’s mind the adoption was legit and HER feelings were real

Douglas was not stolen, not sold, Tom had him when he did co-parent with Caroline...that he didn´t have him from birth on was Ridge´s fault who let everybody believe Douglas was his son and Tom´s brother.

Douglas doesn’t remember that

It was Tom´s wish that Hope should be Douglas mother, he taught him to call her "Mommy Hope", he faked Caroline´s letter and drawings "by Douglas" to get his wish.
So when Tom signed over custody to Hope it was what Tom wanted.

And now he wants his son back

Totally different in any way.

Legally yes. But Steffy loved Pheobe as much as Hope loves Douglas. Hope disregarded Steffy s feelings now she may realise what she did. But I doubt it as Hope is incapable of empathy and really self absorbed as she prove yesterday
She prove that she only cares about herself throwing herself at Liam when he was grieving TWICE. His child and his marriage.

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Lizzy54 @, Austria, 8/14/2022, 3:14PM (631 days ago) @BBfanforever

So you think Steffy cheering Tom on to take Douglas from Hope and telling him he should not care for Hope´s feelings could be kind of a vengeance because she had to give back Beth to Hope?
Interesting thought, this might explain why Steffy is so invested in this.

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PatriotGirl @, 8/14/2022, 4:16PM (631 days ago) @Lizzy54

The two adoptions can´t even be compared...Beth was stolen from Hope, bought by Taylor, the whole adoption was illegal and a case of baby-trafficking.

Douglas was not stolen, not sold, Tom had him when he did co-parent with Caroline...that he didn´t have him from birth on was Ridge´s fault who let everybody believe Douglas was his son and Tom´s brother.
It was Tom´s wish that Hope should be Douglas mother, he taught him to call her "Mommy Hope", he faked Caroline´s letter and drawings "by Douglas" to get his wish.
So when Tom signed over custody to Hope it was what Tom wanted.

Totally different in any way.

Shared custody to Hope, not full custody. She has had Douglas living in her home for several years. Now it's time for Hope to learn to share.

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Liz @, 8/14/2022, 4:40PM (631 days ago) @PatriotGirl

The two adoptions can´t even be compared...Beth was stolen from Hope, bought by Taylor, the whole adoption was illegal and a case of baby-trafficking.

Douglas was not stolen, not sold, Tom had him when he did co-parent with Caroline...that he didn´t have him from birth on was Ridge´s fault who let everybody believe Douglas was his son and Tom´s brother.
It was Tom´s wish that Hope should be Douglas mother, he taught him to call her "Mommy Hope", he faked Caroline´s letter and drawings "by Douglas" to get his wish.
So when Tom signed over custody to Hope it was what Tom wanted.

Totally different in any way.


Shared custody to Hope, not full custody. She has had Douglas living in her home for several years. Now it's time for Hope to learn to share.

Taylor said that Hope has legal custudy of Douglas. And since Douglas lives with Hope most of the time it looks like she has sole physical custody. Then again, this is soapland so anything goes

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Lizzy54 @, Austria, 8/14/2022, 5:27PM (631 days ago) @Liz

We know this show doesn't care about legal matters...they will solve this problem according to Bell's Law, not US Law.

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PatriotGirl @, 8/14/2022, 7:58PM (630 days ago) @Liz

The two adoptions can´t even be compared...Beth was stolen from Hope, bought by Taylor, the whole adoption was illegal and a case of baby-trafficking.

Douglas was not stolen, not sold, Tom had him when he did co-parent with Caroline...that he didn´t have him from birth on was Ridge´s fault who let everybody believe Douglas was his son and Tom´s brother.
It was Tom´s wish that Hope should be Douglas mother, he taught him to call her "Mommy Hope", he faked Caroline´s letter and drawings "by Douglas" to get his wish.
So when Tom signed over custody to Hope it was what Tom wanted.

Totally different in any way.


Shared custody to Hope, not full custody. She has had Douglas living in her home for several years. Now it's time for Hope to learn to share.


Taylor said that Hope has legal custudy of Douglas. And since Douglas lives with Hope most of the time it looks like she has sole physical custody. Then again, this is soapland so anything goes

Thomas and Hope share custody. She is legally his mother but Thomas did not give up his parental rights so he has a right to physical custody of Douglas as much as Hope does..

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