Anyone else rooting for Sheila? (General)

AnnieO, 6/14/2022, 4:06AM (684 days ago)

I can't help myself - I am firmly Team Sheila. I don't even care what she does at this point, it really doesn't bother me if she shoots people or kidnaps people or switches labels on bottles or anything else she might come up with.

There is just something infinitely more likable to me about a "pure" villain character who is acknowledged as a villain in the writing, than "normal" characters who do a lot of the same things the villain does but suffer none of the consequences and then judge the villain for doing the same things they did.

For me, a key component of character likability is "karma balance". Sheila's karma is balanced because her bad deeds have negative consequences for her - so her bad deeds don't bother me because her "karma debt" is being paid. Every other character hates her. She is in and out of prison all the time. So she's okay.

If a character has a "positive karma imbalance" they also become likable to me (they deserve better than they get). It can be frustrating at times if they are NEVER vindicated, but at least I think of them fondly.

But what really bothers me is when a character has a "karma debt" that is never repaid and never acknowledged in the writing. They commit crimes and the crimes are simply forgotten. They hurt people and are always forgiven. They judge others for doing the same things they themselves are doing. And too many of the current characters have these "unpaid karma debts".

That is why I am rooting for Sheila, one of the few characters who actually "pays her debts" from a narrative point of view.

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BuckyBoy, 6/14/2022, 4:09AM (684 days ago) @AnnieO

Sure. I just hope they can figure out how to keep Sheila on the show for a long time.

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AnnieO, 6/14/2022, 4:11AM (684 days ago) @BuckyBoy

Sure. I just hope they can figure out how to keep Sheila on the show for a long time.

Yeah. It always worries me when she does something too extreme - not that I necessarily care about her victims (at this point I don't) but because I care about Sheila and I don't want her to get written into a corner.

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BBDownunder, 6/14/2022, 4:42AM (684 days ago) @AnnieO

Sure. I just hope they can figure out how to keep Sheila on the show for a long time.


Yeah. It always worries me when she does something too extreme - not that I necessarily care about her victims (at this point I don't) but because I care about Sheila and I don't want her to get written into a corner.

the woman shot her son. she is gone

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Drangonfly @, 6/14/2022, 9:33AM (684 days ago) @BBDownunder- one person liked this

Sure. I just hope they can figure out how to keep Sheila on the show for a long time.


Yeah. It always worries me when she does something too extreme - not that I necessarily care about her victims (at this point I don't) but because I care about Sheila and I don't want her to get written into a corner.


the woman shot her son. she is gone

But she was aiming for Steffy so I can't be too mad at her. :-D

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"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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krort @, 6/14/2022, 9:54AM (684 days ago) @BBDownunder

BBDownunder said:<<<<the woman shot her son. she is gone>>>>>>>


You would certainly think so, but look how many heinous crimes she has committed in the past, sent to jail, manages to get out and despite "I am a better person now" does them all again.

Karma debt does not work for Sheila, so no, I can not root for her ever.


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Lizzy54 @, Austria, 6/14/2022, 5:35AM (684 days ago) @AnnieO- one person liked this

Sorry, but Sheila sits in that corner for many years now...she killed a man by using killer bees...do you remember her face, when she grinned as she watched him die?

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AnnieO, 6/14/2022, 6:28AM (684 days ago) @Lizzy54

Sorry, but Sheila sits in that corner for many years now...she killed a man by using killer bees...do you remember her face, when she grinned as she watched him die?

Yeah, but nobody knows about that and nobody will know, so it's not really a threat to her.

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Lizzy54 @, Austria, 6/14/2022, 6:53AM (684 days ago) @AnnieO- 2 people liked this

I know...and this is why I will never root for her.
She is a good villain character, but not "rootable"...;-)

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AnnieO, 6/14/2022, 7:17AM (684 days ago) @Lizzy54

I know...and this is why I will never root for her.
She is a good villain character, but not "rootable"...;-)

I guess it depends on your perspective - the less you like the regular characters, the more natural it becomes to root for the villain.

It's like in a bad horror movie - if the protagonists are simply too annoying, I root for the monster instead.

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Barbybo, 6/14/2022, 5:20AM (684 days ago) @BuckyBoy

Sure. I just hope they can figure out how to keep Sheila on the show for a long time.

Maybe she could donate a body part:lol

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q, 6/14/2022, 11:24AM (684 days ago) @Barbybo

Sure. I just hope they can figure out how to keep Sheila on the show for a long time.


Maybe she could donate a body part:lol

LOL. That was funny.

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cranberryboy, 6/14/2022, 12:13PM (684 days ago) @Barbybo

Sure. I just hope they can figure out how to keep Sheila on the show for a long time.


Maybe she could donate a body part:lol

A heart maybe. :rofl

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q, 6/14/2022, 1:15PM (684 days ago) @cranberryboy

Sure. I just hope they can figure out how to keep Sheila on the show for a long time.


Maybe she could donate a body part:lol


A heart maybe. :rofl

Maybe is right. Does she have one?

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Barbybo, 6/14/2022, 5:07AM (684 days ago) @AnnieO

I can't help myself - I am firmly Team Sheila. I don't even care what she does at this point, it really doesn't bother me if she shoots people or kidnaps people or switches labels on bottles or anything else she might come up with.

There is just something infinitely more likable to me about a "pure" villain character who is acknowledged as a villain in the writing, than "normal" characters who do a lot of the same things the villain does but suffer none of the consequences and then judge the villain for doing the same things they did.

For me, a key component of character likability is "karma balance". Sheila's karma is balanced because her bad deeds have negative consequences for her - so her bad deeds don't bother me because her "karma debt" is being paid. Every other character hates her. She is in and out of prison all the time. So she's okay.

If a character has a "positive karma imbalance" they also become likable to me (they deserve better than they get). It can be frustrating at times if they are NEVER vindicated, but at least I think of them fondly.

But what really bothers me is when a character has a "karma debt" that is never repaid and never acknowledged in the writing. They commit crimes and the crimes are simply forgotten. They hurt people and are always forgiven. They judge others for doing the same things they themselves are doing. And too many of the current characters have these "unpaid karma debts".

That is why I am rooting for Sheila, one of the few characters who actually "pays her debts" from a narrative point of view.

I want her to just go away

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Foreverbeauty, 6/14/2022, 8:09AM (684 days ago) @Barbybo- one person liked this

It’s the opposite for me. Sheila can stay she makes the show watchable every time she comes on.

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bellabean, 6/14/2022, 5:41AM (684 days ago) @AnnieO- one person liked this

I can't help myself - I am firmly Team Sheila. I don't even care what she does at this point, it really doesn't bother me if she shoots people or kidnaps people or switches labels on bottles or anything else she might come up with.

There is just something infinitely more likable to me about a "pure" villain character who is acknowledged as a villain in the writing, than "normal" characters who do a lot of the same things the villain does but suffer none of the consequences and then judge the villain for doing the same things they did.

For me, a key component of character likability is "karma balance". Sheila's karma is balanced because her bad deeds have negative consequences for her - so her bad deeds don't bother me because her "karma debt" is being paid. Every other character hates her. She is in and out of prison all the time. So she's okay.

If a character has a "positive karma imbalance" they also become likable to me (they deserve better than they get). It can be frustrating at times if they are NEVER vindicated, but at least I think of them fondly.

But what really bothers me is when a character has a "karma debt" that is never repaid and never acknowledged in the writing. They commit crimes and the crimes are simply forgotten. They hurt people and are always forgiven. They judge others for doing the same things they themselves are doing. And too many of the current characters have these "unpaid karma debts".

That is why I am rooting for Sheila, one of the few characters who actually "pays her debts" from a narrative point of view.

I have to say every time she's on I smile....."Hello Li, Where is my Son?" I loved it! :cool

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AnnieO, 6/14/2022, 6:29AM (684 days ago) @bellabean

I can't help myself - I am firmly Team Sheila. I don't even care what she does at this point, it really doesn't bother me if she shoots people or kidnaps people or switches labels on bottles or anything else she might come up with.

There is just something infinitely more likable to me about a "pure" villain character who is acknowledged as a villain in the writing, than "normal" characters who do a lot of the same things the villain does but suffer none of the consequences and then judge the villain for doing the same things they did.

For me, a key component of character likability is "karma balance". Sheila's karma is balanced because her bad deeds have negative consequences for her - so her bad deeds don't bother me because her "karma debt" is being paid. Every other character hates her. She is in and out of prison all the time. So she's okay.

If a character has a "positive karma imbalance" they also become likable to me (they deserve better than they get). It can be frustrating at times if they are NEVER vindicated, but at least I think of them fondly.

But what really bothers me is when a character has a "karma debt" that is never repaid and never acknowledged in the writing. They commit crimes and the crimes are simply forgotten. They hurt people and are always forgiven. They judge others for doing the same things they themselves are doing. And too many of the current characters have these "unpaid karma debts".

That is why I am rooting for Sheila, one of the few characters who actually "pays her debts" from a narrative point of view.


I have to say every time she's on I smile....."Hello Li, Where is my Son?" I loved it! :cool

Me too. Whenever I am annoyed with any of the other characters on the show (which happens a LOT), I know I'll get the chance to annoy them back vicariously through Sheila.

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kikilucy, 6/14/2022, 7:38AM (684 days ago) @AnnieO- one person liked this

I can't help myself - I am firmly Team Sheila. I don't even care what she does at this point, it really doesn't bother me if she shoots people or kidnaps people or switches labels on bottles or anything else she might come up with.

There is just something infinitely more likable to me about a "pure" villain character who is acknowledged as a villain in the writing, than "normal" characters who do a lot of the same things the villain does but suffer none of the consequences and then judge the villain for doing the same things they did.

For me, a key component of character likability is "karma balance". Sheila's karma is balanced because her bad deeds have negative consequences for her - so her bad deeds don't bother me because her "karma debt" is being paid. Every other character hates her. She is in and out of prison all the time. So she's okay.

If a character has a "positive karma imbalance" they also become likable to me (they deserve better than they get). It can be frustrating at times if they are NEVER vindicated, but at least I think of them fondly.

But what really bothers me is when a character has a "karma debt" that is never repaid and never acknowledged in the writing. They commit crimes and the crimes are simply forgotten. They hurt people and are always forgiven. They judge others for doing the same things they themselves are doing. And too many of the current characters have these "unpaid karma debts".

That is why I am rooting for Sheila, one of the few characters who actually "pays her debts" from a narrative point of view.

I can't say I actually "root" for Sheila but she sure does turn this into an entertaining show from an otherwise unentertaining show! Right now, most of the characters are just plain unlikeable and boring IMO. Sheila has the ability to make you actually feel a little bit sorry for her because all she wants is to be included in a family and loved like everyone else. Sure, she has no idea how to really accomplish that so she ends up alienating everyone with her misdeeds and crimes. Too bad some of the other characters on B&B are still held to high esteem even though they have plenty of misdeeds and crimes to go around. Doesn't seem quite fair!

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Barbybo, 6/14/2022, 9:53AM (684 days ago) @kikilucy

I can't help myself - I am firmly Team Sheila. I don't even care what she does at this point, it really doesn't bother me if she shoots people or kidnaps people or switches labels on bottles or anything else she might come up with.

There is just something infinitely more likable to me about a "pure" villain character who is acknowledged as a villain in the writing, than "normal" characters who do a lot of the same things the villain does but suffer none of the consequences and then judge the villain for doing the same things they did.

For me, a key component of character likability is "karma balance". Sheila's karma is balanced because her bad deeds have negative consequences for her - so her bad deeds don't bother me because her "karma debt" is being paid. Every other character hates her. She is in and out of prison all the time. So she's okay.

If a character has a "positive karma imbalance" they also become likable to me (they deserve better than they get). It can be frustrating at times if they are NEVER vindicated, but at least I think of them fondly.

But what really bothers me is when a character has a "karma debt" that is never repaid and never acknowledged in the writing. They commit crimes and the crimes are simply forgotten. They hurt people and are always forgiven. They judge others for doing the same things they themselves are doing. And too many of the current characters have these "unpaid karma debts".

That is why I am rooting for Sheila, one of the few characters who actually "pays her debts" from a narrative point of view.


I can't say I actually "root" for Sheila but she sure does turn this into an entertaining show from an otherwise unentertaining show! Right now, most of the characters are just plain unlikeable and boring IMO. Sheila has the ability to make you actually feel a little bit sorry for her because all she wants is to be included in a family and loved like everyone else. Sure, she has no idea how to really accomplish that so she ends up alienating everyone with her misdeeds and crimes. Too bad some of the other characters on B&B are still held to high esteem even though they have plenty of misdeeds and crimes to go around. Doesn't seem quite fair!

I guess quinn is bashed as much …both naughtie but I enjoy quinn like some enjoy Shelia …to each their own

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AnnieO, 6/14/2022, 10:14AM (684 days ago) @kikilucy

I can't help myself - I am firmly Team Sheila. I don't even care what she does at this point, it really doesn't bother me if she shoots people or kidnaps people or switches labels on bottles or anything else she might come up with.

There is just something infinitely more likable to me about a "pure" villain character who is acknowledged as a villain in the writing, than "normal" characters who do a lot of the same things the villain does but suffer none of the consequences and then judge the villain for doing the same things they did.

For me, a key component of character likability is "karma balance". Sheila's karma is balanced because her bad deeds have negative consequences for her - so her bad deeds don't bother me because her "karma debt" is being paid. Every other character hates her. She is in and out of prison all the time. So she's okay.

If a character has a "positive karma imbalance" they also become likable to me (they deserve better than they get). It can be frustrating at times if they are NEVER vindicated, but at least I think of them fondly.

But what really bothers me is when a character has a "karma debt" that is never repaid and never acknowledged in the writing. They commit crimes and the crimes are simply forgotten. They hurt people and are always forgiven. They judge others for doing the same things they themselves are doing. And too many of the current characters have these "unpaid karma debts".

That is why I am rooting for Sheila, one of the few characters who actually "pays her debts" from a narrative point of view.


I can't say I actually "root" for Sheila but she sure does turn this into an entertaining show from an otherwise unentertaining show! Right now, most of the characters are just plain unlikeable and boring IMO. Sheila has the ability to make you actually feel a little bit sorry for her because all she wants is to be included in a family and loved like everyone else. Sure, she has no idea how to really accomplish that so she ends up alienating everyone with her misdeeds and crimes. Too bad some of the other characters on B&B are still held to high esteem even though they have plenty of misdeeds and crimes to go around. Doesn't seem quite fair!

Exactly - with Sheila we see her trying to be good but failing. With everyone else, we see them believing they already are good even though they aren't. And this to me is more unappealing than a character like Sheila who is truly broken beyond repair and her own worst enemy.

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GracieGirl, 6/14/2022, 9:02AM (684 days ago) @AnnieO

Im not rooting for anyone who shoots people and walks around as if she hasn’t done anything wrong. Sheila should at least be in hiding and on the run. She should never be allowed to live in the open as a normal person. Her time is up for me. I’m done.

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Lizzy54 @, Austria, 6/14/2022, 9:18AM (684 days ago) @GracieGirl

Im not rooting for anyone who shoots people and walks around as if she hasn’t done anything wrong.

I agree. And for me this includes Taylor too.

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Barbybo, 6/14/2022, 9:48AM (684 days ago) @Lizzy54

Im not rooting for anyone who shoots people and walks around as if she hasn’t done anything wrong.


I agree. And for me this includes Taylor too.

But who is there to root for they cheat switch or plot and women allways take cheaters back it yucky

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GracieGirl, 6/14/2022, 10:52AM (684 days ago) @Barbybo

Soaps are about cheating. It’s not lifetime channel, but can’t they do more than cheating? Life is very dramatic. Also, I’m tired of the same old triangles. That’s beyond boring!

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cranberryboy, 6/14/2022, 12:17PM (684 days ago) @GracieGirl

Im not rooting for anyone who shoots people and walks around as if she hasn’t done anything wrong. Sheila should at least be in hiding and on the run. She should never be allowed to live in the open as a normal person. Her time is up for me. I’m done.

Right on, Gracie. Sheila needs to rot in jail, or in the ground.

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matisse, 6/14/2022, 9:54AM (684 days ago) @AnnieO- one person liked this

I can't help myself - I am firmly Team Sheila. I don't even care what she does at this point, it really doesn't bother me if she shoots people or kidnaps people or switches labels on bottles or anything else she might come up with.

There is just something infinitely more likable to me about a "pure" villain character who is acknowledged as a villain in the writing, than "normal" characters who do a lot of the same things the villain does but suffer none of the consequences and then judge the villain for doing the same things they did.

For me, a key component of character likability is "karma balance". Sheila's karma is balanced because her bad deeds have negative consequences for her - so her bad deeds don't bother me because her "karma debt" is being paid. Every other character hates her. She is in and out of prison all the time. So she's okay.

If a character has a "positive karma imbalance" they also become likable to me (they deserve better than they get). It can be frustrating at times if they are NEVER vindicated, but at least I think of them fondly.

But what really bothers me is when a character has a "karma debt" that is never repaid and never acknowledged in the writing. They commit crimes and the crimes are simply forgotten. They hurt people and are always forgiven. They judge others for doing the same things they themselves are doing. And too many of the current characters have these "unpaid karma debts".

That is why I am rooting for Sheila, one of the few characters who actually "pays her debts" from a narrative point of view.

Not me. I am rooting for KB to be kept around as Sheila's long lost twin, or something. But not Sheila. I was feeling sorry for Sheila until she shot her kid and Steffy. No matter how it is sliced or diced, she had every intention of killing Steffy, after she had already killed her mother and left HER kids without a mother. That is pure evil.

Now Sheila is probably going to consider killing Li. And when she said "where is my son" I was thinking, YOUR son is not here, he must be back in Genoa City or somewhere else. Finn is NOT her son at all. He is Li's son. I would tell that *itch to stick that "son" crap right up her rear. And if Sheila kills Li, how is Finn going to feel anything but pure hate for her? She would have killed his MOTHER. If Sheila does kill Li, then Sinn will have something else to bond over, that murdering evil POS Sheila killed both their mothers.

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KKLBAB12, 6/14/2022, 11:14AM (684 days ago) @AnnieO- one person liked this

The only way I'm Team Sheila is if she takes care of the World Renowned Psychiatrist in some way.
Time for miss holier than thou to get hers.

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q, 6/14/2022, 11:29AM (684 days ago) @KKLBAB12- one person liked this

The only way I'm Team Sheila is if she takes care of the World Renowned Psychiatrist in some way.
Time for miss holier than thou to get hers.

That would be fun but she had her chance on the roof.

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AnnieO, 6/14/2022, 12:23PM (684 days ago) @KKLBAB12- one person liked this

The only way I'm Team Sheila is if she takes care of the World Renowned Psychiatrist in some way.
Time for miss holier than thou to get hers.

I would rather see Sheila and Taylor hook up. KB and KA had great chemistry in their rooftop scenes. It would be the ULTIMATE forbidden romance.

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Cendrillon, 6/14/2022, 1:38PM (684 days ago) @KKLBAB12

The only way I'm Team Sheila is if she takes care of the World Renowned Psychiatrist in some way.
Time for miss holier than thou to get hers.

Ummm, NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. Brad Bell already "tried" having Sheila kill the World Renowned Psychiatrist 20 years ago, but brought Taylor back to life a mere 2 and a half years later. This time, Sheila "saved" Taylor's life, and DIDN'T go off on Taylor even after she was cornered at the Malibu beach house.

Sheila is not ever going to get rid of Taylor for you. Frankly, no character will "kill" Taylor again. Even if Brad Bell sends Taylor to Europe or Africa again for a few years, he will ALWAYS bring her back. But the way things are going now, Taylor is going to STAY FOR A LONG LONG TIME. :love

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BBfanforever, 6/14/2022, 1:45PM (684 days ago) @Cendrillon

The only way I'm Team Sheila is if she takes care of the World Renowned Psychiatrist in some way.
Time for miss holier than thou to get hers.


Ummm, NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. Brad Bell already "tried" having Sheila kill the World Renowned Psychiatrist 20 years ago, but brought Taylor back to life a mere 2 and a half years later. This time, Sheila "saved" Taylor's life, and DIDN'T go off on Taylor even after she was cornered at the Malibu beach house.

Sheila is not ever going to get rid of Taylor for you. Frankly, no character will "kill" Taylor again. Even if Brad Bell sends Taylor to Europe or Africa again for a few years, he will ALWAYS bring her back. But the way things are going now, Taylor is going to STAY FOR A LONG LONG TIME. :love

Yes … she s still the « missing ingredient »
There s a need of characters for these who don’t like the vulgar Logan
why can’t FC be rid of these parasites

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q, 6/14/2022, 11:17AM (684 days ago) @AnnieO

NO a big NO.

She whines killing Finn was an accident. Was it was an accident when she had a gun pointed at Steffy and pulled the trigger....cold blooded killer.

After all these years she finally wants to be part of Finns life. Why now and not sooner? She didn't want to be part until she saw he was involved with the Forrestors. Her obsession with being accepted by the Forrestors is more than any love she has for Finn.

She should rot in hades.

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apbas88 @, 6/14/2022, 11:37AM (684 days ago) @q

NO a big NO.

She whines killing Finn was an accident. Was it was an accident when she had a gun pointed at Steffy and pulled the trigger....cold blooded killer.

After all these years she finally wants to be part of Finns life. Why now and not sooner? She didn't want to be part until she saw he was involved with the Forrestors. Her obsession with being accepted by the Forrestors is more than any love she has for Finn.

She should rot in hades.

ICAM :cool

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cranberryboy, 6/14/2022, 12:16PM (684 days ago) @q

NO a big NO.

She whines killing Finn was an accident. Was it was an accident when she had a gun pointed at Steffy and pulled the trigger....cold blooded killer.

After all these years she finally wants to be part of Finns life. Why now and not sooner? She didn't want to be part until she saw he was involved with the Forrestors. Her obsession with being accepted by the Forrestors is more than any love she has for Finn.

She should rot in hades.

Exactly. I can’t stand air robbing creature.

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CaptainHook, 6/14/2022, 12:08PM (684 days ago) @AnnieO

Yes, I do, my only regret is she didn't finish the job with Finn, but anyone who is against Brooke and the Logans is a good character, I hope she makes Brooke's life a living hell

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hopeyougogirl, 6/14/2022, 1:55PM (684 days ago) @CaptainHook- one person liked this

Yes, I do, my only regret is she didn't finish the job with Finn, but anyone who is against Brooke and the Logans is a good character, I hope she makes Brooke's life a living hell

Makes Brooke's life a living hell? She already did that!
It's Taylor's turn..let Sheila make Taylor's life a living hell since Sheila championing "team Taylor" didn't get Sheila anywhere. LOL.

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BBfanforever, 6/14/2022, 2:35PM (684 days ago) @hopeyougogirl- one person liked this

Yes, I do, my only regret is she didn't finish the job with Finn, but anyone who is against Brooke and the Logans is a good character, I hope she makes Brooke's life a living hell

Makes Brooke's life a living hell? She already did that!
It's Taylor's turn..let Sheila make Taylor's life a living hell since Sheila championing "team Taylor" didn't get Sheila anywhere. LOL.

Actually Sheila is Brooke’s ANGEL

Sheila shenigans with the first paternity test allowed Brooke to use Bridget to stay in Ridge s orbit when he wanted to be rid of her. Bridget is the main reason Ridge stopped Brooke from marrying James. The children were the reason he stayed with Brooke after Taylor s return … until Brooke s cheating gave him an out

Sheila shooting Taylor is the only reason Brooke got a chance to get Ridge back. Taylor was the love of his life until she died (his words). Tridge was very solid and Brooke could parade in lingerie and beg Ridge to come back all day long he wasn’t interested at all … He send her to Paris and later again tried to oust her from FC when she was pregnant with Hope

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hopeyougogirl, 6/14/2022, 2:46PM (684 days ago) @BBfanforever

Yes, I do, my only regret is she didn't finish the job with Finn, but anyone who is against Brooke and the Logans is a good character, I hope she makes Brooke's life a living hell

Makes Brooke's life a living hell? She already did that!
It's Taylor's turn..let Sheila make Taylor's life a living hell since Sheila championing "team Taylor" didn't get Sheila anywhere. LOL.

Actually Sheila is Brooke’s ANGEL

Sheila shenigans with the first paternity test allowed Brooke to use Bridget to stay in Ridge s orbit when he wanted to be rid of her. Bridget is the main reason Ridge stopped Brooke from marrying James. The children were the reason he stayed with Brooke after Taylor s return … until Brooke s cheating gave him an out

Sheila shooting Taylor is the only reason Brooke got a chance to get Ridge back. Taylor was the love of his life until she died (his words). Tridge was very solid and Brooke could parade in lingerie and beg Ridge to come back all day long he wasn’t interested at all … He send her to Paris and later again tried to oust her from FC when she was pregnant with Hope

Sheila ain't NO angel to Brooke. She's actually been an ANGEL to her bff Taylor. She just sabotaged Brooke's sobriety and turned Brooke's life upside down. :neutral

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

Anyone else rooting for Sheila?

BBfanforever, 6/14/2022, 3:15PM (684 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

Yes, I do, my only regret is she didn't finish the job with Finn, but anyone who is against Brooke and the Logans is a good character, I hope she makes Brooke's life a living hell

Makes Brooke's life a living hell? She already did that!
It's Taylor's turn..let Sheila make Taylor's life a living hell since Sheila championing "team Taylor" didn't get Sheila anywhere. LOL.

Actually Sheila is Brooke’s ANGEL

Sheila shenigans with the first paternity test allowed Brooke to use Bridget to stay in Ridge s orbit when he wanted to be rid of her. Bridget is the main reason Ridge stopped Brooke from marrying James. The children were the reason he stayed with Brooke after Taylor s return … until Brooke s cheating gave him an out

Sheila shooting Taylor is the only reason Brooke got a chance to get Ridge back. Taylor was the love of his life until she died (his words). Tridge was very solid and Brooke could parade in lingerie and beg Ridge to come back all day long he wasn’t interested at all … He send her to Paris and later again tried to oust her from FC when she was pregnant with Hope

Sheila ain't NO angel to Brooke. She's actually been an ANGEL to her bff Taylor. She just sabotaged Brooke's sobriety and turned Brooke's life upside down. :neutral

Maybe Sheila just restored what she destroyed in the first place : tridge
Brooke is no innocent victim her unnecessary nastiness and inappropriate meddling in Sheila’s business is the reason she was targeted

BTW Sheila just lowered Brooke s inhibitions
I don’t believe alcohol makes you do things you wouldn’t do AT ALL
IN VINO VERITAS

Both tipsy, Caroline and Ridge made love
But even very drunk near comatose, Ridge refused to boink Brooke when he was in love with Taylor
But his « commitment » to Brooke didn’t prevent him to make love to Taylor when he had a few drinks and pills to relax him ….
Brooke admitted she liked her reminiscences of Breacon … she kissed him bc deep down she wanted to but didn’t want to jeopardise her marriage

Just like Brooke enjoyed Bill s kiss or Grant s while professing hee luuuuuuve to Ridge

Anyone else rooting for Sheila?

hopeyougogirl, 6/14/2022, 3:21PM (684 days ago) @BBfanforever- one person liked this

Yes, I do, my only regret is she didn't finish the job with Finn, but anyone who is against Brooke and the Logans is a good character, I hope she makes Brooke's life a living hell

Makes Brooke's life a living hell? She already did that!
It's Taylor's turn..let Sheila make Taylor's life a living hell since Sheila championing "team Taylor" didn't get Sheila anywhere. LOL.

Actually Sheila is Brooke’s ANGEL

Sheila shenigans with the first paternity test allowed Brooke to use Bridget to stay in Ridge s orbit when he wanted to be rid of her. Bridget is the main reason Ridge stopped Brooke from marrying James. The children were the reason he stayed with Brooke after Taylor s return … until Brooke s cheating gave him an out

Sheila shooting Taylor is the only reason Brooke got a chance to get Ridge back. Taylor was the love of his life until she died (his words). Tridge was very solid and Brooke could parade in lingerie and beg Ridge to come back all day long he wasn’t interested at all … He send her to Paris and later again tried to oust her from FC when she was pregnant with Hope

Sheila ain't NO angel to Brooke. She's actually been an ANGEL to her bff Taylor. She just sabotaged Brooke's sobriety and turned Brooke's life upside down. :neutral

Maybe Sheila just restored what she destroyed in the first place : tridge
Brooke is no innocent victim her unnecessary nastiness and inappropriate meddling in Sheila’s business is the reason she was targeted

BTW Sheila just lowered Brooke s inhibitions
I don’t believe alcohol makes you do things you wouldn’t do AT ALL
IN VINO VERITAS

Both tipsy, Caroline and Ridge made love
But even very drunk near comatose, Ridge refused to boink Brooke when he was in love with Taylor
But his « commitment » to Brooke didn’t prevent him to make love to Taylor when he had a few drinks and pills to relax him ….
Brooke admitted she liked her reminiscences of Breacon … she kissed him bc deep down she wanted to but didn’t want to jeopardise her marriage

Just like Brooke enjoyed Bill s kiss or Grant s while professing hee luuuuuuve to Ridge

Nah....Brooke IS an innocent victim in Sheila sabotaging her sobriety.
I'd say let Sheila go sabotage her BFF's life..since her "team Taylor" routine got her nowhere.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

Anyone else rooting for Sheila?

hopeyougogirl, 6/14/2022, 12:19PM (684 days ago) @AnnieO- one person liked this

I can't help myself - I am firmly Team Sheila. I don't even care what she does at this point, it really doesn't bother me if she shoots people or kidnaps people or switches labels on bottles or anything else she might come up with.

There is just something infinitely more likable to me about a "pure" villain character who is acknowledged as a villain in the writing, than "normal" characters who do a lot of the same things the villain does but suffer none of the consequences and then judge the villain for doing the same things they did.

For me, a key component of character likability is "karma balance". Sheila's karma is balanced because her bad deeds have negative consequences for her - so her bad deeds don't bother me because her "karma debt" is being paid. Every other character hates her. She is in and out of prison all the time. So she's okay.

If a character has a "positive karma imbalance" they also become likable to me (they deserve better than they get). It can be frustrating at times if they are NEVER vindicated, but at least I think of them fondly.

But what really bothers me is when a character has a "karma debt" that is never repaid and never acknowledged in the writing. They commit crimes and the crimes are simply forgotten. They hurt people and are always forgiven. They judge others for doing the same things they themselves are doing. And too many of the current characters have these "unpaid karma debts".

That is why I am rooting for Sheila, one of the few characters who actually "pays her debts" from a narrative point of view.

Since Tridge mafia never paid for their crimes, I root for Sheila against them. But when it comes to Li vs. Sheila, I root for Li. :-P

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

Anyone else rooting for Sheila?

Kammie @, 6/14/2022, 12:51PM (684 days ago) @AnnieO- 2 people liked this

I love the character of Shelia and it probably has to do with KB.. She is able to bring a vulnerability to a evil character. There are times that I actually feel bad for her and want her to become a great character. She is someone who desperately wants to be loved. She has been shown to be extremally loyal to the people who she cares about. She was a good mother to Mary. I think she loves to hard and really wants to be a good person and she tries real hard. The problem is no one will give her a chance to be redeemed and in her frustration she reverts. She is too impatient and wants what she wants NOW. Do I like the stuff she does? NO!.. So I root for her to finally succeed in changing. I do want her to get off since her "victims" have gotten off with far worse. The only exception is Finn, but he was not Shelia's target. When the Tridge Mafia pay for their crimes, then Shelia can. In the case of Steffy, it was bullet for bullet. One thing is for certain, she brings excitement to the show. She can only handle so much provocation before she has had enough.

Anyone else rooting for Sheila?

B&Bfan1980, 6/14/2022, 1:44PM (684 days ago) @AnnieO

I can't help myself - I am firmly Team Sheila. I don't even care what she does at this point, it really doesn't bother me if she shoots people or kidnaps people or switches labels on bottles or anything else she might come up with.

There is just something infinitely more likable to me about a "pure" villain character who is acknowledged as a villain in the writing, than "normal" characters who do a lot of the same things the villain does but suffer none of the consequences and then judge the villain for doing the same things they did.

For me, a key component of character likability is "karma balance". Sheila's karma is balanced because her bad deeds have negative consequences for her - so her bad deeds don't bother me because her "karma debt" is being paid. Every other character hates her. She is in and out of prison all the time. So she's okay.

If a character has a "positive karma imbalance" they also become likable to me (they deserve better than they get). It can be frustrating at times if they are NEVER vindicated, but at least I think of them fondly.

But what really bothers me is when a character has a "karma debt" that is never repaid and never acknowledged in the writing. They commit crimes and the crimes are simply forgotten. They hurt people and are always forgiven. They judge others for doing the same things they themselves are doing. And too many of the current characters have these "unpaid karma debts".

That is why I am rooting for Sheila, one of the few characters who actually "pays her debts" from a narrative point of view.

I love Sheila and you did a great job of describing exactly why. So many people on this show have done terrible things and no one ever pays for anything besides Deacon and Sheila.

Anyone else rooting for Sheila?

Cendrillon, 6/14/2022, 1:59PM (684 days ago) @AnnieO

I wouldn't say I am "rooting" for Sheila at the moment, but I know the character's potential and so I would like for her to stay around. I'm not one of those people who says they like Sheila only because of Kimberlin Brown either - I think this is one of the FEW INTELLIGENT characters in the history of the soap, and some of the most memorable storylines have involved her.

HOWEVER, I think she is completely wasted on a deadbeat "son" like Finn, and I also found those endless, repetitive Deacon/Sheila scenes NAUSEATING. If she is going to stick around, then hopefully Mike can fill the 'Deacon'/friend/partner role, and instead of BORING OLD FINN being the center of Sheila's orbit, they need to bring back MARY WARWICK/ERICA who was an infinitely more interesting and complex character than Finn in every conceivable way. :cool

Karma is unfortunately almost a moot point in soap operas like this. Brooke will always be forgiven by the men she sleeps with because they enjoy having sex with her too much - and although she has transgressed EVERY CONCEIVABLE MORAL LAW, the writers don't have her suffer any consequences because she hasn't broken "the law". :puke While Taylor has lost years of her life after being presumed dead, and ALSO LOST ONE OF HER DAUGHTERS, Brooke has always got to enjoy her Bel Air life in the house Ridge bought for her, and has NEVER suffered the death of a child the way Taylor and Ridge have. It even looks like 'Bridge' is going to reunite, so Brad Bell ALWAYS gives Brooke EVERYTHING SHE WANTS - while other characters like Taylor have things taken away from them (including children).

I would much rather see Sheila dominate the screen than Brooke, but NOT if they are going to keep bogging her down with characters like Finn and Deacon (the Deacon dynamic got old really really fast). Please bring back Mary Warwick - maybe even James (although he's not one of my favourite characters at all) - and let us see the Sheila that her fans know and love. They could even bring her other nemesis Maggie Forrester back to the canvas, and show Maggie and Mary having connected off-screen during the intervening years, which would also drive Sheila bananas.

Kimberlin Brown said about a month ago that she didn't expect to remain on the show for very much longer, so all of this might be purely academic. But I sincerely do want Mary and Maggie to return.

Anyone else rooting for Sheila?

AnnieO, 6/14/2022, 2:20PM (684 days ago) @Cendrillon

I wouldn't say I am "rooting" for Sheila at the moment, but I know the character's potential and so I would like for her to stay around. I'm not one of those people who says they like Sheila only because of Kimberlin Brown either - I think this is one of the FEW INTELLIGENT characters in the history of the soap, and some of the most memorable storylines have involved her.

HOWEVER, I think she is completely wasted on a deadbeat "son" like Finn, and I also found those endless, repetitive Deacon/Sheila scenes NAUSEATING. If she is going to stick around, then hopefully Mike can fill the 'Deacon'/friend/partner role, and instead of BORING OLD FINN being the center of Sheila's orbit, they need to bring back MARY WARWICK/ERICA who was an infinitely more interesting and complex character than Finn in every conceivable way. :cool

Karma is unfortunately almost a moot point in soap operas like this. Brooke will always be forgiven by the men she sleeps with because they enjoy having sex with her too much - and although she has transgressed EVERY CONCEIVABLE MORAL LAW, the writers don't have her suffer any consequences because she hasn't broken "the law". :puke While Taylor has lost years of her life after being presumed dead, and ALSO LOST ONE OF HER DAUGHTERS, Brooke has always got to enjoy her Bel Air life in the house Ridge bought for her, and has NEVER suffered the death of a child the way Taylor and Ridge have. It even looks like 'Bridge' is going to reunite, so Brad Bell ALWAYS gives Brooke EVERYTHING SHE WANTS - while other characters like Taylor have things taken away from them (including children).

I would much rather see Sheila dominate the screen than Brooke, but NOT if they are going to keep bogging her down with characters like Finn and Deacon (the Deacon dynamic got old really really fast). Please bring back Mary Warwick - maybe even James (although he's not one of my favourite characters at all) - and let us see the Sheila that her fans know and love. They could even bring her other nemesis Maggie Forrester back to the canvas, and show Maggie and Mary having connected off-screen during the intervening years, which would also drive Sheila bananas.

Kimberlin Brown said about a month ago that she didn't expect to remain on the show for very much longer, so all of this might be purely academic. But I sincerely do want Mary and Maggie to return.

You make a lot of great points - especially about Sheila's intelligence. She used to be one of the few genuinely FAST THINKERS on the show. I haven't seen this side of her this time around, probably because the writing itself is so dumbed down that it can't believably portray intelligence.

I actually thought the pairing of Sheila and Deacon had a lot of potential. KB and SK had good on-screen chemistry and their first meeting was very promising. Then, again, the writing happened, and we'd hear these formerly sharp-witted characters uttering dialogue like "You're crazy", "No, you're crazy". Their scenes were killed entirely by the dialogue - with better writing I am confident the actors could have made it work. That being said, Sheila and Mike had more chemistry in their 10-second interaction last week than Sheila and Deacon have had in the past six months.

I agree about Mary - she was far superior to Finn as a character.

Anyone else rooting for Sheila?

Cendrillon, 6/15/2022, 8:31PM (683 days ago) @AnnieO

You make a lot of great points - especially about Sheila's intelligence. She used to be one of the few genuinely FAST THINKERS on the show. I haven't seen this side of her this time around, probably because the writing itself is so dumbed down that it can't believably portray intelligence.

Yes. You can occasionally see TRACES of Sheila being "one of the few genuinely fast thinkers on the show", but the writing overall is too dumbed down like you said to sustain such a characterization anymore.

I actually thought the pairing of Sheila and Deacon had a lot of potential. KB and SK had good on-screen chemistry and their first meeting was very promising. Then, again, the writing happened, and we'd hear these formerly sharp-witted characters uttering dialogue like "You're crazy", "No, you're crazy". Their scenes were killed entirely by the dialogue - with better writing I am confident the actors could have made it work. That being said, Sheila and Mike had more chemistry in their 10-second interaction last week than Sheila and Deacon have had in the past six months.

EXACTLY, Sheila and Mike had so much more going for them in that 10 second interaction than Sheila and Deacon did over 6 months. There were some entertaining moments between KB and SK like you said, but they were so few and far between on account of the writing - to the point where I don't think KB even considered including any of the Deacon stuff in her Emmy reel until she was prompted by others. Also, there should have been AT LEAST one scene where Deacon went to confront Sheila in prison - unless there's a Deacon/Sheila confrontation scene in store, their whole "friendship" over the past 6 months (which was SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS whether we liked it or not) is pointless.

I love how you said "then again, the writing happened" because that is THE STORY OF BRAD BELL'S LIFE. When I think of all the great characters and actors that lost their airtime and their jobs because Brad Bell couldn't make the writing work for them, while lesser characters and lesser actors get to continue on the show for years and even decades (sometimes uninterrupted) simply because their ONE-DIMENSIONAL nature is what Brad Bell can actually get behind.....

I agree about Mary - she was far superior to Finn as a character.

Thank you. I think Courtney Draper was the actress - who was again infinitely more compelling. I don't watch this show for generically attractive actors and actresses who have no real personality and who keep phoning in their performances because they think the audience will drool over them just for appearing onscreen. Courtney Draper was very cute, but it was her acting that endeared her to me - NOT her looks.

They so need to bring her back - or someone with her energy and demeanor, if she herself is no longer available to play Mary/Erica. Also time they introduce Diana to us as an adult. Even if Massimo isn't around anymore, they can simply say that Diana and Ridge share the same biological father for the benefit of viewers who weren't watching back then. Diana would be around Hope's age, and I think it's high time we saw another rival for Hope BESIDES STEFFY. Doesn't even have to be a rival for Liam - could just as easily be a business rival......and who better than one of SHEILA'S DAUGHTERS for that? :-D

Anyone else rooting for Sheila?

Riley, 6/15/2022, 9:40AM (683 days ago) @Cendrillon

Karma is unfortunately almost a moot point in soap operas like this. Brooke will always be forgiven by the men she sleeps with because they enjoy having sex with her too much - and although she has transgressed EVERY CONCEIVABLE MORAL LAW, the writers don't have her suffer any consequences because she hasn't broken "the law". :puke While Taylor has lost years of her life after being presumed dead, and ALSO LOST ONE OF HER DAUGHTERS, Brooke has always got to enjoy her Bel Air life in the house Ridge bought for her, and has NEVER suffered the death of a child the way Taylor and Ridge have. It even looks like 'Bridge' is going to reunite, so Brad Bell ALWAYS gives Brooke EVERYTHING SHE WANTS - while other characters like Taylor have things taken away from them (including children).

Taylor losing years of her life had nothing to do with Bell wanting the character to suffer but only with the actress's career choices. So this can't be blamed on the writing.

And how is Brooke always given what she wants or nothing is ever taken away from her when not just her marriages to Ridge were taken away from her several times for different reasons that mostly weren't even her own fault, but when she also lost her mother, her brother and at least two unborn babies? Even if you think a miscarriage isn't the same as losing a teenage daughter, it's still the loss of a child. And Brooke's first miscarriage actually took much more away from her than just the baby, it changed the course of her whole life for the worse, because it was the only reason why she didn't get married to Ridge the next day and Caroline ever became an option for him again.
I'm not saying this Bridge marriage would have lasted forever, since no soap marriage ever does. But I don't think anyone truly believes that Brooke would suddenly have fallen in love with Eric and cheated on Ridge with him or that Ridge would have left a loyal wife and his new baby to get married to Caroline before she died. Sure he would still have loved Caroline too and would have been there for her together with Brooke when she was terminally ill. Maybe he would even have crossed paths with her oncologist Taylor as well. But there's no way he and Taylor would have gotten that close right after Caroline's death if Brooke had already been his wife and the mother of his child instead of being engaged to his father and pregnant with his father's baby.
Even if Ridge had eventually fallen in love with Taylor despite being married to Brooke or after breaking up with her for whatever reason, Brooke being the mother of his first child would totally have changed the dynamics within that triangle right from the start, with Taylor being the interloper and homewrecker, not Brooke.

Phoebe's death however didn't cause any subsequent losses for Taylor. On the contrary, it even made Ridge return to her for a while in 2009, when the only reason he moved back in with her and proposed to her was that he thought the family needed to heal after losing Phoebe, not that he loved her more than Brooke.
And hasn't Taylor also been forgiven by almost every man she has ever slept with just like Brooke, no matter how much she has hurt them? I think Rick is the only exception. For example, Blake still wanted her back even after she had used him to get through college. Whip gave her an easy, amicable annulment even though she had humiliated him twice by calling him Ridge and had never really loved him. Thorne forgave her for making him a widower and making his daughter lose her mom. Ridge forgave her for cheating on him and for letting him go to jail for a crime she had committed herself. And she didn't even need to sleep with Bill to be forgiven for shooting him!

The worst thing Brooke has ever done to anyone was cheating and lying, yet losing two babies and being left by her husband for another woman several times isn't enough karma, while Taylor got away with nothing but a pat on the wrist after shooting someone in the back?
Actually I wouldn't even mind Brooke losing an adult child too, since it would give KKL some dramatic material to play. But it's simply not true that Brooke has never suffered any significant losses like Taylor so far or that she has suffered less consequences for her moral transgressions than Taylor has for her moral AND legal transgressions.

Anyone else rooting for Sheila?

Cendrillon, 6/15/2022, 8:05PM (683 days ago) @Riley

First of all, NO - it was NOT Hunter Tylo's "career choices" that caused Brad Bell to 'kill' Taylor in 2002. THAT WAS ENTIRELY ON BRAD - his decision!! Hunter Tylo was not expecting the phone call where he told her that her beloved character was going to die. You may be an expert on Brooke and KKL, but I am just as much an expert on Taylor and Hunter Tylo. One of the soap magazine writers even claimed that HT went "ballistic" when she heard the bad news - which was not true, but Hunter wrote extensively on her official message board at the time about how it would "hopefully be easier" for her when she actually stopped shooting altogether (as she had to do some bits and pieces even after Taylor's 'death', such as appearing in Ridge's hallucinations etc).

If you're talking about Hunter joining Melrose Place, that happened in 1996 - at which point Taylor simply left town. She wasn't killed off. That was OVER 6 YEARS before Sheila shot Taylor in October 2002.

Even in 2013, Hunter Tylo was COMPLETELY BLINDSIDED by Brad Bell's decision to write Taylor out of the show - she did an entire podcast about this. Deflecting any of the blame onto Hunter Tylo is flat out wrong.

At the same time I maintain, to use your words, that "it is simply not true" to say that Brooke has "suffered significant losses" LIKE TAYLOR. I don't think too many people in the world would EVER equate miscarriages to losing ACTUAL CHILDREN that you have loved and raised. That is an absolutely ludicrous analogy, to be frank. Phoebe wasn't just a "teenager" either, for the record - she was a young adult, although that is almost beside the point!

And Brooke losing her mother and her brother is a moot point, because TAYLOR had also lost her mother - early on in the show, she was shown to be very upset on her mother's death anniversary. For all we know, Taylor has now lost her father too, because there has been zero mention of Jack Hamilton in well over a decade - as far back as 2013, Brad Bell had forgotten that Taylor's maiden name was Hamilton, and had her say that HAYES was her maiden name. He completely wiped out Taylor's original family. Her brother Zach is gone too......last we heard he was doing work in Africa in 2005, and couldn't be reached. Brooke has TWO OF HER SIBLINGS on the show, and we know her father is alive as well, but really the only people in Taylor's corner right now are Ridge, Steffy and Thomas.

In addition to her children and sisters, Brooke also has the undying and unwavering support of Eric, Bill and Deacon. Taylor doesn't have her exes offering their physical and moral support to her the same way. Characters like Dr. Pierce Peterson, Hector Ramirez and Blake Hayes who were once there for Taylor are now LONG GONE - we are almost definitely not going to see any of them ever again. Eric CLEARLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY favors Brooke, so really the only man Taylor has in her corner right now is Ridge. Only her children advocate for her, whereas Brooke has 3 DIFFERENT EXES advocating for her!!!!!!

I don't see anything involving Caroline as relevant because the only reason Brooke HAD an actual chance to be impregnated by Ridge in the late 80s, out of wedlock, was because she CONSPIRED with Thorne and withheld Caroline's letter from Ridge. Brooke was always the interloper and (later) homewrecker - that role was never one that Taylor was brought into fill. And Brooke marrying Eric and having children with him ONLY BENEFITED her - that was not a "loss". I don't think too many people would consider having children as smart and successful as Rick and Bridget to be a "loss". It has also cemented her position in the Forrester family, since Rick and Bridget are "blood" Forresters in a way that Taylor's children are not, and Eric is perpetually devoted to Brooke, whereas he barely even acknowledges Taylor anymore.

I don't see why you would say that Pheobe's death didn't cause any "subsequent losses" for Taylor, when PHOEBE'S DEATH ITSELF was a permanent and irrevocable loss for her. There is nothing worse for a parent than losing a child you have loved and raised........it seems practically callous and insensitive to suggest that this wasn't a big deal for Taylor "subsequently", when she STILL HAS THAT LOSS in her life. You make such a big deal out of Brooke's miscarriages, but you seem to be very flippant and glib about Phoebe's death. I doubt you would ever have that attitude if Hope died.

The reason Taylor divorced Blake was because he was being PHYSICALLY ABUSIVE. But she almost reunited with him later on, once he had started taking medication for his mental issues. To say that Taylor used Blake to get through college is like saying that Brooke USED Ridge and Eric to become a permanent resident of Beverly Hills/Bel Air.

As for Whip giving Taylor an amicable annulment, Whip is now LONG GONE TOO - he's not there to constantly bolster Taylor and reassure her and support her and offer his love and devotion to her, the way Deacon, Bill and Eric are there for Brooke. As for Thorne forgiving Taylor, he realized that what happened to Darla was an accident - Taylor didn't deliberately and maliciously "make" him a widower or "make" his daughter lose her mom. She wouldn't have even been driving drunk if she didn't think that Phoebe was in mortal danger, but of course no Brooke fan will ever admit that.

Ridge himself wanted Bill dead - he categorically asked Sheila to KILL HIM in 2018 before Taylor shot him - so he and Taylor were on the same page there. As for Bill forgiving Taylor - the pot cannot call the kettle black, because BILL HIMSELF had tried to murder multiple characters before, such as Amber and of course Ridge!! Bill should have been behind bars ages ago - he was an amoral scoundrel from day one, unlike Taylor.

The only thing I agree with you on is the fact that Brooke losing one of her adult children would finally give KKL some dramatic material to play besides being Ridge's DOORMAT, but we obviously don't agree on literally anything else, so we will have to agree to disagree henceforth on ALL THINGS concerning Taylor and Brooke.

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Tiqui1999 @, 6/14/2022, 2:52PM (684 days ago) @AnnieO- one person liked this
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Yeah, they are always ready to put Sheila in jail and make her pay. There is a karma imbalance in that for sure as compared to other characters.

I was rooting for Sheila when she first arrived. Because I enjoyed having Sheila on the show long-term back in the day. So I was hoping they'd make her sane enough to have longevity, but they didn't. I'm disappointed about that.

Anyone else rooting for Sheila?

MegsMom, 6/14/2022, 2:59PM (684 days ago) @AnnieO

The only rooting I'm doing for Sheila is that she's caught and tossed into a rubber room. Preferably for the rest of her psychotic life.

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apbas88 @, 6/14/2022, 3:01PM (684 days ago) @MegsMom

The only rooting I'm doing for Sheila is that she's caught and tossed into a rubber room. Preferably for the rest of her psychotic life.

Amen :cool

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MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, 6/14/2022, 5:49PM (684 days ago) @AnnieO

I can't help myself - I am firmly Team Sheila. I don't even care what she does at this point, it really doesn't bother me if she shoots people or kidnaps people or switches labels on bottles or anything else she might come up with.

There is just something infinitely more likable to me about a "pure" villain character who is acknowledged as a villain in the writing, than "normal" characters who do a lot of the same things the villain does but suffer none of the consequences and then judge the villain for doing the same things they did.

For me, a key component of character likability is "karma balance". Sheila's karma is balanced because her bad deeds have negative consequences for her - so her bad deeds don't bother me because her "karma debt" is being paid. Every other character hates her. She is in and out of prison all the time. So she's okay.

If a character has a "positive karma imbalance" they also become likable to me (they deserve better than they get). It can be frustrating at times if they are NEVER vindicated, but at least I think of them fondly.

But what really bothers me is when a character has a "karma debt" that is never repaid and never acknowledged in the writing. They commit crimes and the crimes are simply forgotten. They hurt people and are always forgiven. They judge others for doing the same things they themselves are doing. And too many of the current characters have these "unpaid karma debts".

That is why I am rooting for Sheila, one of the few characters who actually "pays her debts" from a narrative point of view.

No. Not in the least.

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There is no Hope for this show :wink

Anyone else rooting for Sheila?

Grannysmith, 6/14/2022, 9:59PM (684 days ago) @AnnieO

Deep.

I think Sheila is one of the most interesting characters in daytime and certainly can be quite scary at times.

Anyone else rooting for Sheila?

Malaika, 6/14/2022, 11:06PM (683 days ago) @AnnieO

I can't help myself - I am firmly Team Sheila. I don't even care what she does at this point, it really doesn't bother me if she shoots people or kidnaps people or switches labels on bottles or anything else she might come up with.

There is just something infinitely more likable to me about a "pure" villain character who is acknowledged as a villain in the writing, than "normal" characters who do a lot of the same things the villain does but suffer none of the consequences and then judge the villain for doing the same things they did.

For me, a key component of character likability is "karma balance". Sheila's karma is balanced because her bad deeds have negative consequences for her - so her bad deeds don't bother me because her "karma debt" is being paid. Every other character hates her. She is in and out of prison all the time. So she's okay.

If a character has a "positive karma imbalance" they also become likable to me (they deserve better than they get). It can be frustrating at times if they are NEVER vindicated, but at least I think of them fondly.

But what really bothers me is when a character has a "karma debt" that is never repaid and never acknowledged in the writing. They commit crimes and the crimes are simply forgotten. They hurt people and are always forgiven. They judge others for doing the same things they themselves are doing. And too many of the current characters have these "unpaid karma debts".

That is why I am rooting for Sheila, one of the few characters who actually "pays her debts" from a narrative point of view.

I am. I love your explanation but I’m rooting for her simply because she’s the only person right now who isn’t boring me to death. I also love her because soaps would be boring if all the characters were goody two shoes. Every soap needs a good villain. I loved Deacon too for the same reason but now he’s just pathetic with his constant pining and whining over Brooke.

Anyone else rooting for Sheila?

Shimster @, 6/15/2022, 8:07PM (683 days ago) @AnnieO

For me, absolutely NO! I wish they would lock her up for good.

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