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Some of the best stories are about character redemption. All I want is to see is the journey. It doesn’t have to take a long time. I want characters to say more than they are sorry. I want them to take action and not expect the people they hurt to accept them overnight, but I don’t want the victim to be angry and afraid of the villain one moment and the next moment they are buddy buddy or even in a sexual relationship. Soap history is full of people who started out villainous and ended up victorious. The best stories showed the evolution. The worst told stories treat fans like children… the character change because we said so. I don’t know Sheila’s future, but I think the show has done a far better job with her transition than with others. I still wonder if the brilliantly maniacal Shelia set up this whole Sugar thing, but her behavior has changed over a long period of time. Her possible change is believable.

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Some of the best stories are about character redemption. All I want is to see is the journey. It doesn’t have to take a long time. I want characters to say more than they are sorry. I want them to take action and not expect the people they hurt to accept them overnight, but I don’t want the victim to be angry and afraid of the villain one moment and the next moment they are buddy buddy or even in a sexual relationship. Soap history is full of people who started out villainous and ended up victorious. The best stories showed the evolution. The worst told stories treat fans like children… the character change because we said so. I don’t know Sheila’s future, but I think the show has done a far better job with her transition than with others. I still wonder if the brilliantly maniacal Shelia set up this whole Sugar thing, but her behavior has changed over a long period of time. Her possible change is believable.

Great post. It is certainly more believable than Thomas changing or even the story arcs of some where it isn't even acknowledged that the character needs redemption. Or if it is, then it's forgotten in the very next scene.

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Some of the best stories are about character redemption. All I want is to see is the journey. It doesn’t have to take a long time. I want characters to say more than they are sorry. I want them to take action and not expect the people they hurt to accept them overnight, but I don’t want the victim to be angry and afraid of the villain one moment and the next moment they are buddy buddy or even in a sexual relationship. Soap history is full of people who started out villainous and ended up victorious. The best stories showed the evolution. The worst told stories treat fans like children… the character change because we said so. I don’t know Sheila’s future, but I think the show has done a far better job with her transition than with others. I still wonder if the brilliantly maniacal Shelia set up this whole Sugar thing, but her behavior has changed over a long period of time. Her possible change is believable.

Great post. It is certainly more believable than Thomas changing or even the story arcs of some where it isn't even acknowledged that the character needs redemption. Or if it is, then it's forgotten in the very next scene.

They threw “everything but the kitchen sink” at that story - from Hope’s anxiety about her mother’s life to her brewing frustration with Liam and Steffy to her growing attraction to Thomas. Then they added fantasies with diso lights and on top of that Hope gaslighting Liam. Thomas was in the background until Hope turned down his proposal. I still don’t know what was going on with Hope and they left it open. Even if I think Thope is totally inappropriate, there was a better much better way of writing their story. I’m not a writer, but I know what would have made me more understanding.

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Some of the best stories are about character redemption. All I want is to see is the journey. It doesn’t have to take a long time. I want characters to say more than they are sorry. I want them to take action and not expect the people they hurt to accept them overnight, but I don’t want the victim to be angry and afraid of the villain one moment and the next moment they are buddy buddy or even in a sexual relationship. Soap history is full of people who started out villainous and ended up victorious. The best stories showed the evolution. The worst told stories treat fans like children… the character change because we said so. I don’t know Sheila’s future, but I think the show has done a far better job with her transition than with others. I still wonder if the brilliantly maniacal Shelia set up this whole Sugar thing, but her behavior has changed over a long period of time. Her possible change is believable.

Great post. It is certainly more believable than Thomas changing or even the story arcs of some where it isn't even acknowledged that the character needs redemption. Or if it is, then it's forgotten in the very next scene.

They threw “everything but the kitchen sink” at that story - from Hope’s anxiety about her mother’s life to her brewing frustration with Liam and Steffy to her growing attraction to Thomas. Then they added fantasies with diso lights and on top of that Hope gaslighting Liam. Thomas was in the background until Hope turned down his proposal. I still don’t know what was going on with Hope and they left it open. Even if I think Thope is totally inappropriate, there was a better much better way of writing their story. I’m not a writer, but I know what would have made me more understanding.

I agree with every word. I kept waiting for them to write Hope having an awakening or realizing there's something wrong with her but it never happened. Having fantasies for someone who has done so much to hurt her and her family, and that too out of the blue, was just not realistic.

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Some of the best stories are about character redemption. All I want is to see is the journey. It doesn’t have to take a long time. I want characters to say more than they are sorry. I want them to take action and not expect the people they hurt to accept them overnight, but I don’t want the victim to be angry and afraid of the villain one moment and the next moment they are buddy buddy or even in a sexual relationship. Soap history is full of people who started out villainous and ended up victorious. The best stories showed the evolution. The worst told stories treat fans like children… the character change because we said so. I don’t know Sheila’s future, but I think the show has done a far better job with her transition than with others. I still wonder if the brilliantly maniacal Shelia set up this whole Sugar thing, but her behavior has changed over a long period of time. Her possible change is believable.

Great post. It is certainly more believable than Thomas changing or even the story arcs of some where it isn't even acknowledged that the character needs redemption. Or if it is, then it's forgotten in the very next scene.

They threw “everything but the kitchen sink” at that story - from Hope’s anxiety about her mother’s life to her brewing frustration with Liam and Steffy to her growing attraction to Thomas. Then they added fantasies with diso lights and on top of that Hope gaslighting Liam. Thomas was in the background until Hope turned down his proposal. I still don’t know what was going on with Hope and they left it open. Even if I think Thope is totally inappropriate, there was a better much better way of writing their story. I’m not a writer, but I know what would have made me more understanding.

I agree with every word. I kept waiting for them to write Hope having an awakening or realizing there's something wrong with her but it never happened. Having fantasies for someone who has done so much to hurt her and her family, and that too out of the blue, was just not realistic.

It’s called sexual attraction or chemistry

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Some of the best stories are about character redemption. All I want is to see is the journey. It doesn’t have to take a long time. I want characters to say more than they are sorry. I want them to take action and not expect the people they hurt to accept them overnight, but I don’t want the victim to be angry and afraid of the villain one moment and the next moment they are buddy buddy or even in a sexual relationship. Soap history is full of people who started out villainous and ended up victorious. The best stories showed the evolution. The worst told stories treat fans like children… the character change because we said so. I don’t know Sheila’s future, but I think the show has done a far better job with her transition than with others. I still wonder if the brilliantly maniacal Shelia set up this whole Sugar thing, but her behavior has changed over a long period of time. Her possible change is believable.

Great post. It is certainly more believable than Thomas changing or even the story arcs of some where it isn't even acknowledged that the character needs redemption. Or if it is, then it's forgotten in the very next scene.

They threw “everything but the kitchen sink” at that story - from Hope’s anxiety about her mother’s life to her brewing frustration with Liam and Steffy to her growing attraction to Thomas. Then they added fantasies with diso lights and on top of that Hope gaslighting Liam. Thomas was in the background until Hope turned down his proposal. I still don’t know what was going on with Hope and they left it open. Even if I think Thope is totally inappropriate, there was a better much better way of writing their story. I’m not a writer, but I know what would have made me more understanding.

I agree with every word. I kept waiting for them to write Hope having an awakening or realizing there's something wrong with her but it never happened. Having fantasies for someone who has done so much to hurt her and her family, and that too out of the blue, was just not realistic.

It’s called sexual attraction or chemistry

No, its called, crazy. You DON'T be attracted to someone who harms your loved ones and tried their very best to harm you, including keeping something important as your stolen baby from you. Something is very, very, very wrong with Hope's upstairs and I don't give two hoots about the usual lame baloney excuse I read that Hope got attracted to a one woman man? So, the man who harms you or your family is suddenly attractive because he is only about you? that's the excuse which supposedly believable? I see that as an excuse to cheat and defend. And the sudden, Steam comeback in their lousy marriage was also a joke. The Hope character is not only insufferable but a complete joke,. It reaches a point where the writers made Liam say such sh*t that he caused her running to her abusers arms? LOL. No, Hope had YEARS to cut Liam off but she came back with intentions and got knocked up. Liam will never be faultless for his behavior and actions but the demise of his marriage is all on the Saint. She destroyed her marriage for sex.

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Thomas redemption story was very believable and he is much more believable than Sheila. She has inflicted years and years of horrible havoc on two soaps. Just ask Sugar

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Disagree, he was still lying to Hope and keeping secret from her. In addition he never faced consequences for his crime. No redemption at all.

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Disagree, he was still lying to Hope and keeping secret from her. In addition he never faced consequences for his crime. No redemption at all.

Nope he isn’t still lying to anyone. It is the way you feel about a story line, I disagree. The writers have redeemed Thomas and I will go that since I don’t write the show

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He didn't say to Hope he was hightailing Emma, he said another version of that night. That's a lie.
Then he said there weren't secret anymore while Hope still doesn't know about forging Caroline letter and drugging liam and few other stunts. That's a lie. Not my opinion, facts

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He didn't say to Hope he was hightailing Emma, he said another version of that night. That's a lie.
Then he said there weren't secret anymore while Hope still doesn't know about forging Caroline letter and drugging liam and few other stunts. That's a lie. Not my opinion, facts

No one on the show has ever confessed or discussed all their sins or misguided sins. No one! Why should Thomas be the only one? Because you don’t like the character? Well half of the others I don’t like but I would be ridiculous to think they have to confess to all. Ridge alone with his mother would take three weeks of shows. I personally don’t care to watch that.
The writers on the show have written Thomas to have changed. So far, it is what we see. I am going by what the writers say. Like it or not, they written Thomas as being redeemed. The past is the past. I will go with that

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I agree. If even Sheila can be redeemed in a much shorter time after she committed most horrible crimes over decades anyone can be.

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Anyone can be redeemed doesn't mean the writers chose to redeem

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Anyone can be redeemed doesn't mean the writers chose to redeem

They chose to redeem Thomas

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Agree to disagree. If they chose so he was not lying again

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He hasn’t changed or he would have understood that Hope wasn’t ready for marriage. Instead he got mad, hurt & left, taking their son with him, knowing how much that would hurt Hope!! That’s the same egomaniac, obsessive, wanting control over Hope, that he’s always been. And, how many times in the past has his family said, “Thomas has really changed”, only for him not to have done so? I mean, I’m not saying it’s not possible, but actions speak louder than words, and IMO, his actions do not reflect full redemption. And Sheila, ugh, we’ll see what they do with that…. :whistle

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He hasn’t changed or he would have understood that Hope wasn’t ready for marriage. Instead he got mad, hurt & left, taking their son with him, knowing how much that would hurt Hope!! That’s the same egomaniac, obsessive, wanting control over Hope, that he’s always been. And, how many times in the past has his family said, “Thomas has really changed”, only for him not to have done so? I mean, I’m not saying it’s not possible, but actions speak louder than words, and IMO, his actions do not reflect full redemption. And Sheila, ugh, we’ll see what they do with that….

Thomas leaving proves he hasn’t changed? Wow! Thomas wanted more and Hope didn’t. He has a right to want more. If Hope wasn’t in the same page Thomas had every right to make changes he needed. He didn’t want to wait anymore. They were not on the same page and Hope couldn’t say she ever would be. If she wasn’t ready for a future, didn’t know when she would be, Thomas needed to move on and not have to wait. It was an actually a mature decision. Thomas’ action did speak louder than words. He did the right thing for himself. That was great maturity

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Right, maturity, letting your sister tell you what you what to do— and then there’s the taking Douglas with him… and come on, like Hope should’ve jumped right into another marriage?!?! I think she’s the one showing maturity.

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Right, maturity, letting your sister tell you what you what to do— and then there’s the taking Douglas with him… and come on, like Hope should’ve jumped right into another marriage?!?! I think she’s the one showing maturity.

The kid wanted to go with his dad and Thomas is his biological father

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Because Thomas overshared adult relationship stuff that a child shouldn’t know about. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I’m not saying Thomas hasn’t improved, I’m just saying he still has some growing to do.

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Because Thomas overshared adult relationship stuff that a child shouldn’t know about. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I’m not saying Thomas hasn’t improved, I’m just saying he still has some growing to do.

We never heard what Thomas actually said to him and, as I said Thomas is his biological dad.

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Yes, but in a court of law, Hope & Thomas are equal because she adopted Douglas.

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Yes, but in a court of law, Hope & Thomas are equal because she adopted Douglas.

True

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Thomas redemption story was very believable and he is much more believable than Sheila. She has inflicted years and years of horrible havoc on two soaps. Just ask Sugar

For me, It’s the timing factor regarding Thomas. His history is more consistently recent. For the last four years, the show told us that Beth’s death was horrific to Hope. She had a breakdown. The show told us that Hope was very angry about the CPS call faking her Mom’s voice. The show told us that Hope was very upset when in Feb 2023, Thomas took her to court and forced Douglas to make a decision. Then, six weeks later, Hope was having fantasies about Thomas. In six weeks Hope decided he was a changed person, but I never saw the change because Thomas was still focused on Hope and HFTF felt like the substitute until they could do the real thing. The show could have done a much better job on Thomas’s behalf. Years ago, he tried to kill Rick. He listened to his sister about setting up Hope for seduction, some say rape. He listened to his grandmother about setting up Brooke with the toxic flowers. Thomas has his own history and he’s half the age of Sheila. I believe he’s changed some, but only when he walked away from Hope. I have always wanted better for Thomas and been frustrated that Steffy is the favorite child. As long as he was with Hope I didn’t believe Thomas had changed. He had very little to say. He was in the background. We all have our own biases. I feel that the focus was much more on Hope’s change than on Thomas who has yet to have his own story at least to me.

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I agree. Thomas was "tested" several times by the show, his latest test being when he left Hope to go to Paris.
If he were still obsessed he never would have left her. Other tests were Xander e.g. or when Hope said she would try to make up with Liam after the mermaid party. He was sad but not obsessing. They took nearly a year to redeem him.

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I agree. Thomas was "tested" several times by the show, his latest test being when he left Hope to go to Paris.
If he were still obsessed he never would have left her. Other tests were Xander e.g. or when Hope said she would try to make up with Liam after the mermaid party. He was sad but not obsessing. They took nearly a year to redeem him.

Redeem Liam he just wanted Finn’s wife..how is that redeemed

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I agree. Thomas was "tested" several times by the show, his latest test being when he left Hope to go to Paris.
If he were still obsessed he never would have left her. Other tests were Xander e.g. or when Hope said she would try to make up with Liam after the mermaid party. He was sad but not obsessing. They took nearly a year to redeem him.

Redeem Liam he just wanted Finn’s wife..how is that redeemed

No mention of Liam. I have no idea why he’s so fickle. I do find it interesting that Liam has threatened no one and yet, by some speculation, he’s worst than people who have had violent outbursts or kept life altering secrets. Now that’s amazing.

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I agree. Thomas was "tested" several times by the show, his latest test being when he left Hope to go to Paris.
If he were still obsessed he never would have left her. Other tests were Xander e.g. or when Hope said she would try to make up with Liam after the mermaid party. He was sad but not obsessing. They took nearly a year to redeem him.

Redeem Liam he just wanted Finn’s wife..how is that redeemed

It isn’t.

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I agree. Thomas was "tested" several times by the show, his latest test being when he left Hope to go to Paris.
If he were still obsessed he never would have left her. Other tests were Xander e.g. or when Hope said she would try to make up with Liam after the mermaid party. He was sad but not obsessing. They took nearly a year to redeem him.

For me Xander was not a test. He never told the whole story. He smiled after he saw that young woman dead. He said nothing to capture his hideousness that night. He did not talk about it the way he talked to Ridge about it. He softened the story. They have yet to do Thomases story to me. There is more to Thomas than Hope and her issues.

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I agree. Thomas was "tested" several times by the show, his latest test being when he left Hope to go to Paris.
If he were still obsessed he never would have left her. Other tests were Xander e.g. or when Hope said she would try to make up with Liam after the mermaid party. He was sad but not obsessing. They took nearly a year to redeem him.

For me Xander was not a test. He never told the whole story. He smiled after he saw that young woman dead. He said nothing to capture his hideousness that night. He did not talk about it the way he talked to Ridge about it. He softened the story. They have yet to do Thomases story to me. There is more to Thomas than Hope and her issues.

Plus he only came clean when he was caught. If he had really been redeemed he would have told Hope the whole story before Xander came back. And even then he didn't say everything.

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Some of the best stories are about character redemption. All I want is to see is the journey. It doesn’t have to take a long time. I want characters to say more than they are sorry. I want them to take action and not expect the people they hurt to accept them overnight, but I don’t want the victim to be angry and afraid of the villain one moment and the next moment they are buddy buddy or even in a sexual relationship. Soap history is full of people who started out villainous and ended up victorious. The best stories showed the evolution. The worst told stories treat fans like children… the character change because we said so. I don’t know Sheila’s future, but I think the show has done a far better job with her transition than with others. I still wonder if the brilliantly maniacal Shelia set up this whole Sugar thing, but her behavior has changed over a long period of time. Her possible change is believable.

Great post. It is certainly more believable than Thomas changing or even the story arcs of some where it isn't even acknowledged that the character needs redemption. Or if it is, then it's forgotten in the very next scene.

Yep..Sheila's redemption story is far more believable than Thomas "changing". This past year, she actually behaved herself, fell in love with Deacon, has a job, stayed away from the cliff house. And saving Kelly's life proved that she does care about people that Finn loves.

Thomas's so called redemption wasn't all that believable imo..he just claimed he's "changed" and all these fools just believed him..we only saw him once with the therapist. Then once he hooked up with his obsession..he is still so fixated on making her his wife..he wouldn't take no for an answer (just like before)..he lied to Hope about the truth about Emma's death..and agreed to Hope's request to give her more time only to turned right around and pressured her all over again a few days later. What a creep still obsessed imo.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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Totally agree. Sheila is behaving good despite all the people being hostile to her, Thomas was behaving bad despite all the people worshipping him

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Yes, agree 100%!

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Some of the best stories are about character redemption. All I want is to see is the journey. It doesn’t have to take a long time. I want characters to say more than they are sorry. I want them to take action and not expect the people they hurt to accept them overnight, but I don’t want the victim to be angry and afraid of the villain one moment and the next moment they are buddy buddy or even in a sexual relationship. Soap history is full of people who started out villainous and ended up victorious. The best stories showed the evolution. The worst told stories treat fans like children… the character change because we said so. I don’t know Sheila’s future, but I think the show has done a far better job with her transition than with others. I still wonder if the brilliantly maniacal Shelia set up this whole Sugar thing, but her behavior has changed over a long period of time. Her possible change is believable.

Yes, it’s not been over night for sure.

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Some of the best stories are about character redemption. All I want is to see is the journey. It doesn’t have to take a long time. I want characters to say more than they are sorry. I want them to take action and not expect the people they hurt to accept them overnight, but I don’t want the victim to be angry and afraid of the villain one moment and the next moment they are buddy buddy or even in a sexual relationship. Soap history is full of people who started out villainous and ended up victorious. The best stories showed the evolution. The worst told stories treat fans like children… the character change because we said so. I don’t know Sheila’s future, but I think the show has done a far better job with her transition than with others. I still wonder if the brilliantly maniacal Shelia set up this whole Sugar thing, but her behavior has changed over a long period of time. Her possible change is believable.

So you think Shelia’s redeemable now? I find it amuseing Shelia’s redeemable to many yet Tom’s not…it amazes me …I guess it depends on who is more sexy or entertaining…I allways liked naughtie bill nowcreduced to lunch bill..naughtie makes good soap….jmo

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Some of the best stories are about character redemption. All I want is to see is the journey. It doesn’t have to take a long time. I want characters to say more than they are sorry. I want them to take action and not expect the people they hurt to accept them overnight, but I don’t want the victim to be angry and afraid of the villain one moment and the next moment they are buddy buddy or even in a sexual relationship. Soap history is full of people who started out villainous and ended up victorious. The best stories showed the evolution. The worst told stories treat fans like children… the character change because we said so. I don’t know Sheila’s future, but I think the show has done a far better job with her transition than with others. I still wonder if the brilliantly maniacal Shelia set up this whole Sugar thing, but her behavior has changed over a long period of time. Her possible change is believable.

So you think Shelia’s redeemable now? I find it amuseing Shelia’s redeemable to many yet Tom’s not…it amazes me …I guess it depends on who is more sexy or entertaining…I allways liked naughtie bill nowcreduced to lunch bill..naughtie makes good soap….jmo

I do not know if Sheila’s totally redeemable. It’s just more believable because of what was consistently shown. Thomas and Sheila were involved in varying degrees of keeping a baby away from parents for selfish gain. On that count, I personally see them as the same. According to story though, Hope decided Thomas had changed in six weeks. I take Hopes word for nothing. She went from being angry with Thomas to lusting for him in 6 weeks show time. She went from telling Liam that no matter what anyone says, she loves him totally to throwing herself at Thomas. Even Thomas left town not knowing what to make of Hope and her actions. He said the first time you told me you loved me is when you turned me down. It seems to me that the show over relied on Hopes feelings about Thomas. Thomas needs his own story. Sheila has had her own story, even if she’s still a maniac, they have consistently shown her trying to be better.

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Some of the best stories are about character redemption. All I want is to see is the journey. It doesn’t have to take a long time. I want characters to say more than they are sorry. I want them to take action and not expect the people they hurt to accept them overnight, but I don’t want the victim to be angry and afraid of the villain one moment and the next moment they are buddy buddy or even in a sexual relationship. Soap history is full of people who started out villainous and ended up victorious. The best stories showed the evolution. The worst told stories treat fans like children… the character change because we said so. I don’t know Sheila’s future, but I think the show has done a far better job with her transition than with others. I still wonder if the brilliantly maniacal Shelia set up this whole Sugar thing, but her behavior has changed over a long period of time. Her possible change is believable.

So you think Shelia’s redeemable now? I find it amuseing Shelia’s redeemable to many yet Tom’s not…it amazes me …I guess it depends on who is more sexy or entertaining…I allways liked naughtie bill nowcreduced to lunch bill..naughtie makes good soap….jmo

That boggles my mind. Sheila has done worse on two soaps. Just getting someone locked like she did with Surgar is crazy. Thomas hasn’t done have of those things and some say he is still a monster but see Sheila as redeemed. Crazy

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it's definitely been over a long period of time, it's been almost a year since she saved kelly, and since then she's been assaulted multiple times by steffy with no retaliation other than to defend herself, li shoved her face in food unprovoked and sheila just took it, will she be good forever? doubtful, but for now she is

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it's definitely been over a long period of time, it's been almost a year since she saved kelly, and since then she's been assaulted multiple times by steffy with no retaliation other than to defend herself, li shoved her face in food unprovoked and sheila just took it, will she be good forever? doubtful, but for now she is

Li didn’t she stuff her face in spaghetti I can’t stand li too bad she didn’t get her puss in the ziti..

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it's definitely been over a long period of time, it's been almost a year since she saved kelly, and since then she's been assaulted multiple times by steffy with no retaliation other than to defend herself, li shoved her face in food unprovoked and sheila just took it, will she be good forever? doubtful, but for now she is

Right. We can look at the long arc of it, too. Since the whole thing with Quinn, Sheila has not bothered these people. She came back for Finn. Yes, she got mad and spiked Brooke's champagne. It was bad and wrong, just like when Quinn did it to Brooke and like when Quinn put Zoe up to doing it to Paris and when Thomas did it to Liam. It's on the same level of these things -- not on the criminally insane level. Then the shooting happened because the confronter-in-chief let herself loose on Sheila instead of letting Brooke know about the labels.

After that, Sheila hasn't done anything to anyone -- and I don't count Li. Li drove herself off a damn bridge. She's the dumb ass who abducted Finn out of the hospital, stole Mike's car and chose that road.

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it's definitely been over a long period of time, it's been almost a year since she saved kelly, and since then she's been assaulted multiple times by steffy with no retaliation other than to defend herself, li shoved her face in food unprovoked and sheila just took it, will she be good forever? doubtful, but for now she is

Right. We can look at the long arc of it, too. Since the whole thing with Quinn, Sheila has not bothered these people. She came back for Finn. Yes, she got mad and spiked Brooke's champagne. It was bad and wrong, just like when Quinn did it to Brooke and like when Quinn put Zoe up to doing it to Paris and when Thomas did it to Liam. It's on the same level of these things -- not on the criminally insane level. Then the shooting happened because the confronter-in-chief let herself loose on Sheila instead of letting Brooke know about the labels.

After that, Sheila hasn't done anything to anyone -- and I don't count Li. Li drove herself off a damn bridge. She's the dumb ass who abducted Finn out of the hospital, stole Mike's car and chose that road.

Li is no dumbass. She risked her career to save her son (as opposed to shooting her son and leaving him to die) when the hospital wouldn’t try to save him. She didn’t steal Mike’s car either, Sheila did. Sheila used it to chase Li in an attempt to stop her from reaching the authorities and turning her in. Sheila chased her down that road and very possibly rear ended Li since the back of her car burst into flames as she went into the water.

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it's definitely been over a long period of time, it's been almost a year since she saved kelly, and since then she's been assaulted multiple times by steffy with no retaliation other than to defend herself, li shoved her face in food unprovoked and sheila just took it, will she be good forever? doubtful, but for now she is

Right. We can look at the long arc of it, too. Since the whole thing with Quinn, Sheila has not bothered these people. She came back for Finn. Yes, she got mad and spiked Brooke's champagne. It was bad and wrong, just like when Quinn did it to Brooke and like when Quinn put Zoe up to doing it to Paris and when Thomas did it to Liam. It's on the same level of these things -- not on the criminally insane level. Then the shooting happened because the confronter-in-chief let herself loose on Sheila instead of letting Brooke know about the labels.

After that, Sheila hasn't done anything to anyone -- and I don't count Li. Li drove herself off a damn bridge. She's the dumb ass who abducted Finn out of the hospital, stole Mike's car and chose that road.

Li is no dumbass. She risked her career to save her son (as opposed to shooting her son and leaving him to die) when the hospital wouldn’t try to save him. She didn’t steal Mike’s car either, Sheila did. Sheila used it to chase Li in an attempt to stop her from reaching the authorities and turning her in. Sheila chased her down that road and very possibly rear ended Li since the back of her car burst into flames as she went into the water.

Li is the dumbass who stole Finn out of the hospital and didn't tell his wife and drove herself off a broken road. That's her dumbass.

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it's definitely been over a long period of time, it's been almost a year since she saved kelly, and since then she's been assaulted multiple times by steffy with no retaliation other than to defend herself, li shoved her face in food unprovoked and sheila just took it, will she be good forever? doubtful, but for now she is

Right. We can look at the long arc of it, too. Since the whole thing with Quinn, Sheila has not bothered these people. She came back for Finn. Yes, she got mad and spiked Brooke's champagne. It was bad and wrong, just like when Quinn did it to Brooke and like when Quinn put Zoe up to doing it to Paris and when Thomas did it to Liam. It's on the same level of these things -- not on the criminally insane level. Then the shooting happened because the confronter-in-chief let herself loose on Sheila instead of letting Brooke know about the labels.

After that, Sheila hasn't done anything to anyone -- and I don't count Li. Li drove herself off a damn bridge. She's the dumb ass who abducted Finn out of the hospital, stole Mike's car and chose that road.

Li is no dumbass. She risked her career to save her son (as opposed to shooting her son and leaving him to die) when the hospital wouldn’t try to save him. She didn’t steal Mike’s car either, Sheila did. Sheila used it to chase Li in an attempt to stop her from reaching the authorities and turning her in. Sheila chased her down that road and very possibly rear ended Li since the back of her car burst into flames as she went into the water.

:cool :cool

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I would like to know how Sheila could have persuaded Sugar to let Sheila use her face like that again and this time also commit murder with it when all Sheila would have to do afterward is tell the police Sugar did this to get revenge. I would like to know what good it would do Sheila to have her look-a-like murder Steffy. Where would that get her with Finn?

I would like to know why Sheila would sit in a warehouse for weeks, waiting for someone to figure it out instead of "rescuing herself" and appearing before sugar was cremated if she indeed set it up. Sheila dropped no clues for Deacon. Sheila also would have had to pay that homeless man to stand around waiting on someone to question him.

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I would like to know how Sheila could have persuaded Sugar to let Sheila use her face like that again and this time also commit murder with it when all Sheila would have to do afterward is tell the police Sugar did this to get revenge. I would like to know what good it would do Sheila to have her look-a-like murder Steffy. Where would that get her with Finn?

I would like to know why Sheila would sit in a warehouse for weeks, waiting for someone to figure it out instead of "rescuing herself" and appearing before sugar was cremated if she indeed set it up. Sheila dropped no clues for Deacon. Sheila also would have had to pay that homeless man to stand around waiting on someone to question him.

Apparently, it doesn't need to make any sense.

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I would like to know how Sheila could have persuaded Sugar to let Sheila use her face like that again and this time also commit murder with it when all Sheila would have to do afterward is tell the police Sugar did this to get revenge. I would like to know what good it would do Sheila to have her look-a-like murder Steffy. Where would that get her with Finn?

I would like to know why Sheila would sit in a warehouse for weeks, waiting for someone to figure it out instead of "rescuing herself" and appearing before sugar was cremated if she indeed set it up. Sheila dropped no clues for Deacon. Sheila also would have had to pay that homeless man to stand around waiting on someone to question him.

Apparently, it doesn't need to make any sense.

It does to me.

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I would like to know how Sheila could have persuaded Sugar to let Sheila use her face like that again and this time also commit murder with it when all Sheila would have to do afterward is tell the police Sugar did this to get revenge. I would like to know what good it would do Sheila to have her look-a-like murder Steffy. Where would that get her with Finn?

I would like to know why Sheila would sit in a warehouse for weeks, waiting for someone to figure it out instead of "rescuing herself" and appearing before sugar was cremated if she indeed set it up. Sheila dropped no clues for Deacon. Sheila also would have had to pay that homeless man to stand around waiting on someone to question him.

Apparently, it doesn't need to make any sense.

It does to me.

This reminds me of the Bill/Sheila storyline where everyone was so sure Sheila did something to Bill even though there was no logical way it could be. We were shown her thoughts and the only thing on her mind was Deacon and that turned out to be the truth.

Bell has always given the audience access to her thoughts. We may not know all the details but we know when she is plotting or lying. The fact that he showed us her memories of this tells me she is probably telling the truth.

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I would like to know how Sheila could have persuaded Sugar to let Sheila use her face like that again and this time also commit murder with it when all Sheila would have to do afterward is tell the police Sugar did this to get revenge. I would like to know what good it would do Sheila to have her look-a-like murder Steffy. Where would that get her with Finn?

I would like to know why Sheila would sit in a warehouse for weeks, waiting for someone to figure it out instead of "rescuing herself" and appearing before sugar was cremated if she indeed set it up. Sheila dropped no clues for Deacon. Sheila also would have had to pay that homeless man to stand around waiting on someone to question him.

Apparently, it doesn't need to make any sense.

It does to me.

It needs to make sense to me. The only reason I offered that maybe Sheila played a trick with Sugar is because lately the show hasn’t made sense.

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I would like to know how Sheila could have persuaded Sugar to let Sheila use her face like that again and this time also commit murder with it when all Sheila would have to do afterward is tell the police Sugar did this to get revenge. I would like to know what good it would do Sheila to have her look-a-like murder Steffy. Where would that get her with Finn?

I would like to know why Sheila would sit in a warehouse for weeks, waiting for someone to figure it out instead of "rescuing herself" and appearing before sugar was cremated if she indeed set it up. Sheila dropped no clues for Deacon. Sheila also would have had to pay that homeless man to stand around waiting on someone to question him.

Apparently, it doesn't need to make any sense.

Especially Thomas's so called "changing" s/l..unbelievable IMO.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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