Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories (General)
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.
1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.
2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.
There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.
IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
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"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
Is Ivy a walk in or is she a regular?
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
Sammy 
, 4/21/2024, 1:15PM (12 days ago) @Barbybo
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
Is Ivy a walk in or is she a regular?
She is only on for a short time
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
It could be a triangle with Finn/Ivy/Steffy while Hope and Liam continue to stay single for a while. Finn and Ivy would be a gorgeous couple and Steffy would deserve it if Ivy goes after Finn.
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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."
"You're the love of my life."
Liam to Hope. Debate over.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
I think Ivy is probably coming back to give Liam a break from Hope and Steffy. Liam has pretty much admitted he only turns to Steffy because he feels he has no identity unless he's with a woman. And Steffy as well has shown she no longer has any interest in him. If Leffy do get together at all it will so obvious be a rebound especially from Steffy side and I don't see it going anywhere. More likely Liam and Ivy will be a couple again for a short while before Lope gravitate toward each other again. The most probable triangle I see happening is Hope/Steffy/Finn. Steffy will 100% fight Hope for Finn. First because she cannot bear a Logan to win over her, and secondly because Finn is the only man who has ever loved her unconditionally. If she can fight for Liam who has forever had a divided heart and dumped her repeatedly for Hope, but she can't fight for Finn then Steffy is really the shows biggest idiot and that is saying something. I don't see Thomas being involved in any romance for a while. He has to be single for bit to get over his Hope obsession. Any relationship he gets into at this time will be nothing but a rebound and his obsession will restart eventually.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
I think Ivy is probably coming back to give Liam a break from Hope and Steffy. Liam has pretty much admitted he only turns to Steffy because he feels he has no identity unless he's with a woman. And Steffy as well has shown she no longer has any interest in him. If Leffy do get together at all it will so obvious be a rebound especially from Steffy side and I don't see it going anywhere. More likely Liam and Ivy will be a couple again for a short while before Lope gravitate toward each other again. The most probable triangle I see happening is Hope/Steffy/Finn. Steffy will 100% fight Hope for Finn. First because she cannot bear a Logan to win over her, and secondly because Finn is the only man who has ever loved her unconditionally. If she can fight for Liam who has forever had a divided heart and dumped her repeatedly for Hope, but she can't fight for Finn then Steffy is really the shows biggest idiot and that is saying something. I don't see Thomas being involved in any romance for a while. He has to be single for bit to get over his Hope obsession. Any relationship he gets into at this time will be nothing but a rebound and his obsession will restart eventually.
Interesting. I didn’t interpret what Liam said that way. I interpreted it as he has to be with either of them with no preference just to have an identity. I think Ivy may be briefly teased with Liam just to spark Hope’s romantic interest in him again, because right now she shows none.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
I hope they let Ashleigh Brewer have her Australian accent again.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
I’m sure she’ll have her Australian accent, considering she’s an Australian actress lol.
Personally though, you guys shouldn’t get your hopes up, she’s only slated for a few episodes and then she’ll be gone again. She’s not being put on contract and it’ll be another “Thorne Winsor Harmon Forrester” here one day and gone the next day without explanation, as per the usual way this show is produced (which is very very poorly).
I’m sure she’ll have her Australian accent, considering she’s an Australian actress lol.
Personally though, you guys shouldn’t get your hopes up, she’s only slated for a few episodes and then she’ll be gone again. She’s not being put on contract and it’ll be another “Thorne Winsor Harmon Forrester” here one day and gone the next day without explanation, as per the usual way this show is produced (which is very very poorly).
Well, the last time she was on Quinn had her lose her accent and change her wardrobe to look more like Steffy so she would have a chance with Liam because she wanted Wyatt and Steffy together. It was pretty demeaning, IMO.
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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."
"You're the love of my life."
Liam to Hope. Debate over.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
I’m sure she’ll have her Australian accent, considering she’s an Australian actress lol.
Personally though, you guys shouldn’t get your hopes up, she’s only slated for a few episodes and then she’ll be gone again. She’s not being put on contract and it’ll be another “Thorne Winsor Harmon Forrester” here one day and gone the next day without explanation, as per the usual way this show is produced (which is very very poorly).
Well, the last time she was on Quinn had her lose her accent and change her wardrobe to look more like Steffy so she would have a chance with Liam because she wanted Wyatt and Steffy together. It was pretty demeaning, IMO.
And that`s exactly what I was referring to.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
Finn is too much into Steffy that I haven't seen him developing feelings for Hope at all..he's made it clear many times that he's deeply in love with his wife.
I think Steffy will definitely fight for Finn if another woman becomes interested in him..she has shown no interest in Liam.
Ivy could potentially be back for Liam, but I think it's more likely she'll be for Thomas..given that the show has spent a whole year claiming Thomas is "changed" and is supposedly no longer obsessed with Hope, so I think he'll move on with Ivy.
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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
Or it could be as simple as whomever Ivy kisses will make another woman jealous. It doesn’t have to be full blown relationship.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
Finn has shown zero interest in Hope and is not crushing on her at all. Their relationship is very platonic; he sees her purely as a friend and nothing more. Finn explicitly told Hope that Steffy and the kids are his life—the best part of his life. He also expressed to Hope that from the moment he saw Steffy, he knew she was the woman for him and the love of his life. Additionally, Finn strongly hinted that Hope should reconcile with Liam. How does any of this suggest that Finn is "developing" feelings for Hope?
Sinn will undoubtedly be dealing with the Sheila crisis, but I don't foresee a Steam reunion happening anytime soon. If anything, Steffy and Finn will overcome the challenges once again. They have consistently refused to let Sheila break them apart for long, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Also, Steffy would absolutely fight another woman for Finn. If Steffy would fight the biggest villainess in Sheila to protect her marriage, another woman showing interest in Finn would be a walk in the park! Plus, Steffy said it herself that Finn is her soulmate.
Ivy's return is for Liam. No woman ever truly gets over Liam after spending time away, as we've seen with both Steffy and Hope. Ivy will return and still be in love with Liam. The recent Steam/Lope scenes hinted at Ivy's return. Liam has emphasized to both Steffy and Hope that his priority is being a father, and he spent so long wavering between the two women. To demonstrate Liam's growth, the writers need to detach him from both women, hence Ivy's return.
Last week, Hope's comment to Liam, "Who knows what the future will bring us?" was strong foreshadowing. Ivy's return will thus significantly impact both Hope and Liam. During the breakup scenes between Thomas and Hope, there were heavy mentions that Thomas needs to find a woman who can commit. This was another foreshadowing point. Thomas will return from Paris engaged to Ivy, which will make both Hope and Liam jealous. Liam will want to rekindle things with Ivy (also to prove he isn't waffling between Hope and Steffy), and Ivy will want him back since she would be settling for Thomas, and Thomas would be settling for her. Meanwhile, Hope will want Thomas back as well but will still refuse to get engaged. They are setting up a Thomas/Ivy/Hope/Liam quadrangle, in my opinion.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
Finn has shown zero interest in Hope and is not crushing on her at all. Their relationship is very platonic; he sees her purely as a friend and nothing more. Finn explicitly told Hope that Steffy and the kids are his life—the best part of his life. He also expressed to Hope that from the moment he saw Steffy, he knew she was the woman for him and the love of his life. Additionally, Finn strongly hinted that Hope should reconcile with Liam. How does any of this suggest that Finn is "developing" feelings for Hope?Sinn will undoubtedly be dealing with the Sheila crisis, but I don't foresee a Steam reunion happening anytime soon. If anything, Steffy and Finn will overcome the challenges once again. They have consistently refused to let Sheila break them apart for long, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Also, Steffy would absolutely fight another woman for Finn. If Steffy would fight the biggest villainess in Sheila to protect her marriage, another woman showing interest in Finn would be a walk in the park! Plus, Steffy said it herself that Finn is her soulmate.
Ivy's return is for Liam. No woman ever truly gets over Liam after spending time away, as we've seen with both Steffy and Hope. Ivy will return and still be in love with Liam. The recent Steam/Lope scenes hinted at Ivy's return. Liam has emphasized to both Steffy and Hope that his priority is being a father, and he spent so long wavering between the two women. To demonstrate Liam's growth, the writers need to detach him from both women, hence Ivy's return.
Last week, Hope's comment to Liam, "Who knows what the future will bring us?" was strong foreshadowing. Ivy's return will thus significantly impact both Hope and Liam. During the breakup scenes between Thomas and Hope, there were heavy mentions that Thomas needs to find a woman who can commit. This was another foreshadowing point. Thomas will return from Paris engaged to Ivy, which will make both Hope and Liam jealous. Liam will want to rekindle things with Ivy (also to prove he isn't waffling between Hope and Steffy), and Ivy will want him back since she would be settling for Thomas, and Thomas would be settling for her. Meanwhile, Hope will want Thomas back as well but will still refuse to get engaged. They are setting up a Thomas/Ivy/Hope/Liam quadrangle, in my opinion.
Liam has said that he's doing soul searching, so if Liam chases an engaged Ivy, then that will be no growth for him because then it will be similar to him trying to get a married Steffy back last year.
And an engaged Thomas will definitely have a divided heart, so that will make him no different than Liam. Therefore, Hope's attraction to his I'm a one-woman thing will disappear. LOL.
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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
Finn has shown zero interest in Hope and is not crushing on her at all. Their relationship is very platonic; he sees her purely as a friend and nothing more. Finn explicitly told Hope that Steffy and the kids are his life—the best part of his life. He also expressed to Hope that from the moment he saw Steffy, he knew she was the woman for him and the love of his life. Additionally, Finn strongly hinted that Hope should reconcile with Liam. How does any of this suggest that Finn is "developing" feelings for Hope?Sinn will undoubtedly be dealing with the Sheila crisis, but I don't foresee a Steam reunion happening anytime soon. If anything, Steffy and Finn will overcome the challenges once again. They have consistently refused to let Sheila break them apart for long, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Also, Steffy would absolutely fight another woman for Finn. If Steffy would fight the biggest villainess in Sheila to protect her marriage, another woman showing interest in Finn would be a walk in the park! Plus, Steffy said it herself that Finn is her soulmate.
Ivy's return is for Liam. No woman ever truly gets over Liam after spending time away, as we've seen with both Steffy and Hope. Ivy will return and still be in love with Liam. The recent Steam/Lope scenes hinted at Ivy's return. Liam has emphasized to both Steffy and Hope that his priority is being a father, and he spent so long wavering between the two women. To demonstrate Liam's growth, the writers need to detach him from both women, hence Ivy's return.
Last week, Hope's comment to Liam, "Who knows what the future will bring us?" was strong foreshadowing. Ivy's return will thus significantly impact both Hope and Liam. During the breakup scenes between Thomas and Hope, there were heavy mentions that Thomas needs to find a woman who can commit. This was another foreshadowing point. Thomas will return from Paris engaged to Ivy, which will make both Hope and Liam jealous. Liam will want to rekindle things with Ivy (also to prove he isn't waffling between Hope and Steffy), and Ivy will want him back since she would be settling for Thomas, and Thomas would be settling for her. Meanwhile, Hope will want Thomas back as well but will still refuse to get engaged. They are setting up a Thomas/Ivy/Hope/Liam quadrangle, in my opinion.
Liam has said that he's doing soul searching, so if Liam chases an engaged Ivy, then that will be no growth for him because then it will be similar to him trying to get a married Steffy back last year.And an engaged Thomas will definitely have a divided heart, so that will make him no different than Liam. Therefore, Hope's attraction to his I'm a one-woman thing will disappear. LOL.
They are broken up. Surely Hope does not think “one woman man” means Thomas should pine after her as a monk for the rest of his life? A one woman man just means that when he is with someone he won’t be tempted by/thinking about anyone else or run to another someone at the first sign of trouble, won’t get involved in the back and forth waffling between women that has characterized both Liam and Ridge. Finn is a one woman man, but if he and Steffy break up he may become a one woman man to someone else.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
Sammy , 4/21/2024, 2:16PM (12 days ago) @GLFan
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
Finn has shown zero interest in Hope and is not crushing on her at all. Their relationship is very platonic; he sees her purely as a friend and nothing more. Finn explicitly told Hope that Steffy and the kids are his life—the best part of his life. He also expressed to Hope that from the moment he saw Steffy, he knew she was the woman for him and the love of his life. Additionally, Finn strongly hinted that Hope should reconcile with Liam. How does any of this suggest that Finn is "developing" feelings for Hope?Sinn will undoubtedly be dealing with the Sheila crisis, but I don't foresee a Steam reunion happening anytime soon. If anything, Steffy and Finn will overcome the challenges once again. They have consistently refused to let Sheila break them apart for long, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Also, Steffy would absolutely fight another woman for Finn. If Steffy would fight the biggest villainess in Sheila to protect her marriage, another woman showing interest in Finn would be a walk in the park! Plus, Steffy said it herself that Finn is her soulmate.
Ivy's return is for Liam. No woman ever truly gets over Liam after spending time away, as we've seen with both Steffy and Hope. Ivy will return and still be in love with Liam. The recent Steam/Lope scenes hinted at Ivy's return. Liam has emphasized to both Steffy and Hope that his priority is being a father, and he spent so long wavering between the two women. To demonstrate Liam's growth, the writers need to detach him from both women, hence Ivy's return.
Last week, Hope's comment to Liam, "Who knows what the future will bring us?" was strong foreshadowing. Ivy's return will thus significantly impact both Hope and Liam. During the breakup scenes between Thomas and Hope, there were heavy mentions that Thomas needs to find a woman who can commit. This was another foreshadowing point. Thomas will return from Paris engaged to Ivy, which will make both Hope and Liam jealous. Liam will want to rekindle things with Ivy (also to prove he isn't waffling between Hope and Steffy), and Ivy will want him back since she would be settling for Thomas, and Thomas would be settling for her. Meanwhile, Hope will want Thomas back as well but will still refuse to get engaged. They are setting up a Thomas/Ivy/Hope/Liam quadrangle, in my opinion.
Liam has said that he's doing soul searching, so if Liam chases an engaged Ivy, then that will be no growth for him because then it will be similar to him trying to get a married Steffy back last year.And an engaged Thomas will definitely have a divided heart, so that will make him no different than Liam. Therefore, Hope's attraction to his I'm a one-woman thing will disappear. LOL.
They are broken up. Surely Hope does not think “one woman man” means Thomas should pine after her as a monk for the rest of his life? A one woman man just means that when he is with someone he won’t be tempted by/thinking about anyone else or run to another someone at the first sign of trouble, won’t get involved in the back and forth waffling between women that has characterized both Liam and Ridge. Finn is a one woman man, but if he and Steffy break up he may become a one woman man to someone else.
Exactly.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
Finn has shown zero interest in Hope and is not crushing on her at all. Their relationship is very platonic; he sees her purely as a friend and nothing more. Finn explicitly told Hope that Steffy and the kids are his life—the best part of his life. He also expressed to Hope that from the moment he saw Steffy, he knew she was the woman for him and the love of his life. Additionally, Finn strongly hinted that Hope should reconcile with Liam. How does any of this suggest that Finn is "developing" feelings for Hope?Sinn will undoubtedly be dealing with the Sheila crisis, but I don't foresee a Steam reunion happening anytime soon. If anything, Steffy and Finn will overcome the challenges once again. They have consistently refused to let Sheila break them apart for long, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Also, Steffy would absolutely fight another woman for Finn. If Steffy would fight the biggest villainess in Sheila to protect her marriage, another woman showing interest in Finn would be a walk in the park! Plus, Steffy said it herself that Finn is her soulmate.
Ivy's return is for Liam. No woman ever truly gets over Liam after spending time away, as we've seen with both Steffy and Hope. Ivy will return and still be in love with Liam. The recent Steam/Lope scenes hinted at Ivy's return. Liam has emphasized to both Steffy and Hope that his priority is being a father, and he spent so long wavering between the two women. To demonstrate Liam's growth, the writers need to detach him from both women, hence Ivy's return.
Last week, Hope's comment to Liam, "Who knows what the future will bring us?" was strong foreshadowing. Ivy's return will thus significantly impact both Hope and Liam. During the breakup scenes between Thomas and Hope, there were heavy mentions that Thomas needs to find a woman who can commit. This was another foreshadowing point. Thomas will return from Paris engaged to Ivy, which will make both Hope and Liam jealous. Liam will want to rekindle things with Ivy (also to prove he isn't waffling between Hope and Steffy), and Ivy will want him back since she would be settling for Thomas, and Thomas would be settling for her. Meanwhile, Hope will want Thomas back as well but will still refuse to get engaged. They are setting up a Thomas/Ivy/Hope/Liam quadrangle, in my opinion.
Liam has said that he's doing soul searching, so if Liam chases an engaged Ivy, then that will be no growth for him because then it will be similar to him trying to get a married Steffy back last year.And an engaged Thomas will definitely have a divided heart, so that will make him no different than Liam. Therefore, Hope's attraction to his I'm a one-woman thing will disappear. LOL.
They are broken up. Surely Hope does not think “one woman man” means Thomas should pine after her as a monk for the rest of his life? A one woman man just means that when he is with someone he won’t be tempted by/thinking about anyone else or run to another someone at the first sign of trouble, won’t get involved in the back and forth waffling between women that has characterized both Liam and Ridge. Finn is a one woman man, but if he and Steffy break up he may become a one woman man to someone else.
Of course, Hope shouldn’t expect him to pine after her and be a monk. LOL. But that is NOT my point..my point was if he’s involved with Ivy, he will have divided heart having love for TWO women absolutely no different than Liam.
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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
Finn has shown zero interest in Hope and is not crushing on her at all. Their relationship is very platonic; he sees her purely as a friend and nothing more. Finn explicitly told Hope that Steffy and the kids are his life—the best part of his life. He also expressed to Hope that from the moment he saw Steffy, he knew she was the woman for him and the love of his life. Additionally, Finn strongly hinted that Hope should reconcile with Liam. How does any of this suggest that Finn is "developing" feelings for Hope?Sinn will undoubtedly be dealing with the Sheila crisis, but I don't foresee a Steam reunion happening anytime soon. If anything, Steffy and Finn will overcome the challenges once again. They have consistently refused to let Sheila break them apart for long, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Also, Steffy would absolutely fight another woman for Finn. If Steffy would fight the biggest villainess in Sheila to protect her marriage, another woman showing interest in Finn would be a walk in the park! Plus, Steffy said it herself that Finn is her soulmate.
Ivy's return is for Liam. No woman ever truly gets over Liam after spending time away, as we've seen with both Steffy and Hope. Ivy will return and still be in love with Liam. The recent Steam/Lope scenes hinted at Ivy's return. Liam has emphasized to both Steffy and Hope that his priority is being a father, and he spent so long wavering between the two women. To demonstrate Liam's growth, the writers need to detach him from both women, hence Ivy's return.
Last week, Hope's comment to Liam, "Who knows what the future will bring us?" was strong foreshadowing. Ivy's return will thus significantly impact both Hope and Liam. During the breakup scenes between Thomas and Hope, there were heavy mentions that Thomas needs to find a woman who can commit. This was another foreshadowing point. Thomas will return from Paris engaged to Ivy, which will make both Hope and Liam jealous. Liam will want to rekindle things with Ivy (also to prove he isn't waffling between Hope and Steffy), and Ivy will want him back since she would be settling for Thomas, and Thomas would be settling for her. Meanwhile, Hope will want Thomas back as well but will still refuse to get engaged. They are setting up a Thomas/Ivy/Hope/Liam quadrangle, in my opinion.
Liam has said that he's doing soul searching, so if Liam chases an engaged Ivy, then that will be no growth for him because then it will be similar to him trying to get a married Steffy back last year.And an engaged Thomas will definitely have a divided heart, so that will make him no different than Liam. Therefore, Hope's attraction to his I'm a one-woman thing will disappear. LOL.
They are broken up. Surely Hope does not think “one woman man” means Thomas should pine after her as a monk for the rest of his life? A one woman man just means that when he is with someone he won’t be tempted by/thinking about anyone else or run to another someone at the first sign of trouble, won’t get involved in the back and forth waffling between women that has characterized both Liam and Ridge. Finn is a one woman man, but if he and Steffy break up he may become a one woman man to someone else.
Of course, Hope shouldn’t expect him to pine after her and be a monk. LOL. But that is NOT my point..my point was if he’s involved with Ivy, he will have divided heart having love for TWO women absolutely no different than Liam.
Hopefully not. If Thomas is a one woman man then the next woman he becomes involved with will have his whole heart and Hope will be nothing but a memory to him.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
Finn has shown zero interest in Hope and is not crushing on her at all. Their relationship is very platonic; he sees her purely as a friend and nothing more. Finn explicitly told Hope that Steffy and the kids are his life—the best part of his life. He also expressed to Hope that from the moment he saw Steffy, he knew she was the woman for him and the love of his life. Additionally, Finn strongly hinted that Hope should reconcile with Liam. How does any of this suggest that Finn is "developing" feelings for Hope?Sinn will undoubtedly be dealing with the Sheila crisis, but I don't foresee a Steam reunion happening anytime soon. If anything, Steffy and Finn will overcome the challenges once again. They have consistently refused to let Sheila break them apart for long, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Also, Steffy would absolutely fight another woman for Finn. If Steffy would fight the biggest villainess in Sheila to protect her marriage, another woman showing interest in Finn would be a walk in the park! Plus, Steffy said it herself that Finn is her soulmate.
Ivy's return is for Liam. No woman ever truly gets over Liam after spending time away, as we've seen with both Steffy and Hope. Ivy will return and still be in love with Liam. The recent Steam/Lope scenes hinted at Ivy's return. Liam has emphasized to both Steffy and Hope that his priority is being a father, and he spent so long wavering between the two women. To demonstrate Liam's growth, the writers need to detach him from both women, hence Ivy's return.
Last week, Hope's comment to Liam, "Who knows what the future will bring us?" was strong foreshadowing. Ivy's return will thus significantly impact both Hope and Liam. During the breakup scenes between Thomas and Hope, there were heavy mentions that Thomas needs to find a woman who can commit. This was another foreshadowing point. Thomas will return from Paris engaged to Ivy, which will make both Hope and Liam jealous. Liam will want to rekindle things with Ivy (also to prove he isn't waffling between Hope and Steffy), and Ivy will want him back since she would be settling for Thomas, and Thomas would be settling for her. Meanwhile, Hope will want Thomas back as well but will still refuse to get engaged. They are setting up a Thomas/Ivy/Hope/Liam quadrangle, in my opinion.
Liam has said that he's doing soul searching, so if Liam chases an engaged Ivy, then that will be no growth for him because then it will be similar to him trying to get a married Steffy back last year.And an engaged Thomas will definitely have a divided heart, so that will make him no different than Liam. Therefore, Hope's attraction to his I'm a one-woman thing will disappear. LOL.
They are broken up. Surely Hope does not think “one woman man” means Thomas should pine after her as a monk for the rest of his life? A one woman man just means that when he is with someone he won’t be tempted by/thinking about anyone else or run to another someone at the first sign of trouble, won’t get involved in the back and forth waffling between women that has characterized both Liam and Ridge. Finn is a one woman man, but if he and Steffy break up he may become a one woman man to someone else.
Of course, Hope shouldn’t expect him to pine after her and be a monk. LOL. But that is NOT my point..my point was if he’s involved with Ivy, he will have divided heart having love for TWO women absolutely no different than Liam.
Hopefully not. If Thomas is a one woman man then the next woman he becomes involved with will have his whole heart and Hope will be nothing but a memory to him.
Well, given the fact he spent many years obsessing over Hope and his last words to her right before he left were that he will always love her or something like that. I find it hard to believe that his "love" for her will disappear so quickly even if he's involved with Ivy. Guess we'll see. LOL.
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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
Finn has shown zero interest in Hope and is not crushing on her at all. Their relationship is very platonic; he sees her purely as a friend and nothing more. Finn explicitly told Hope that Steffy and the kids are his life—the best part of his life. He also expressed to Hope that from the moment he saw Steffy, he knew she was the woman for him and the love of his life. Additionally, Finn strongly hinted that Hope should reconcile with Liam. How does any of this suggest that Finn is "developing" feelings for Hope?Sinn will undoubtedly be dealing with the Sheila crisis, but I don't foresee a Steam reunion happening anytime soon. If anything, Steffy and Finn will overcome the challenges once again. They have consistently refused to let Sheila break them apart for long, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Also, Steffy would absolutely fight another woman for Finn. If Steffy would fight the biggest villainess in Sheila to protect her marriage, another woman showing interest in Finn would be a walk in the park! Plus, Steffy said it herself that Finn is her soulmate.
Ivy's return is for Liam. No woman ever truly gets over Liam after spending time away, as we've seen with both Steffy and Hope. Ivy will return and still be in love with Liam. The recent Steam/Lope scenes hinted at Ivy's return. Liam has emphasized to both Steffy and Hope that his priority is being a father, and he spent so long wavering between the two women. To demonstrate Liam's growth, the writers need to detach him from both women, hence Ivy's return.
Last week, Hope's comment to Liam, "Who knows what the future will bring us?" was strong foreshadowing. Ivy's return will thus significantly impact both Hope and Liam. During the breakup scenes between Thomas and Hope, there were heavy mentions that Thomas needs to find a woman who can commit. This was another foreshadowing point. Thomas will return from Paris engaged to Ivy, which will make both Hope and Liam jealous. Liam will want to rekindle things with Ivy (also to prove he isn't waffling between Hope and Steffy), and Ivy will want him back since she would be settling for Thomas, and Thomas would be settling for her. Meanwhile, Hope will want Thomas back as well but will still refuse to get engaged. They are setting up a Thomas/Ivy/Hope/Liam quadrangle, in my opinion.
Liam has said that he's doing soul searching, so if Liam chases an engaged Ivy, then that will be no growth for him because then it will be similar to him trying to get a married Steffy back last year.And an engaged Thomas will definitely have a divided heart, so that will make him no different than Liam. Therefore, Hope's attraction to his I'm a one-woman thing will disappear. LOL.
Liam specified that he needed to stop waffling between Hope and Steffy. I believe that was the main takeaway from their conversation. The issue lies in his indecision; pursuing Ivy won't prevent his soul-searching. She may simply represent a part of that stage his life—a rekindling with the one that got away. We've also seen Ridge engage in this kind of "soul-searching" before, and we know it won't last. Liam's soul-searching likely won't last either.
Ivy will likely serve as a source of third-party angst for Thope, pushing Hope to finally commit to Thomas. This could be a strategy to prompt Hope to "fight" for their relationship. Thomas will still be in love with Hope, and Ivy will still harbor feelings for Liam, which could make Tivy a very short-term relationship.
I'm just speculating here, but I believe Hope's line about "who knows what the future will bring to us" was a signal indicating Ivy's return. Her comeback will thus undoubtedly impact Hope and Liam. Ivy, being Liam's ex and she may find herself entangled in a relationship or situation involving Thomas. However, this is all just speculation.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
Finn has shown zero interest in Hope and is not crushing on her at all. Their relationship is very platonic; he sees her purely as a friend and nothing more. Finn explicitly told Hope that Steffy and the kids are his life—the best part of his life. He also expressed to Hope that from the moment he saw Steffy, he knew she was the woman for him and the love of his life. Additionally, Finn strongly hinted that Hope should reconcile with Liam. How does any of this suggest that Finn is "developing" feelings for Hope?Sinn will undoubtedly be dealing with the Sheila crisis, but I don't foresee a Steam reunion happening anytime soon. If anything, Steffy and Finn will overcome the challenges once again. They have consistently refused to let Sheila break them apart for long, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Also, Steffy would absolutely fight another woman for Finn. If Steffy would fight the biggest villainess in Sheila to protect her marriage, another woman showing interest in Finn would be a walk in the park! Plus, Steffy said it herself that Finn is her soulmate.
Ivy's return is for Liam. No woman ever truly gets over Liam after spending time away, as we've seen with both Steffy and Hope. Ivy will return and still be in love with Liam. The recent Steam/Lope scenes hinted at Ivy's return. Liam has emphasized to both Steffy and Hope that his priority is being a father, and he spent so long wavering between the two women. To demonstrate Liam's growth, the writers need to detach him from both women, hence Ivy's return.
Last week, Hope's comment to Liam, "Who knows what the future will bring us?" was strong foreshadowing. Ivy's return will thus significantly impact both Hope and Liam. During the breakup scenes between Thomas and Hope, there were heavy mentions that Thomas needs to find a woman who can commit. This was another foreshadowing point. Thomas will return from Paris engaged to Ivy, which will make both Hope and Liam jealous. Liam will want to rekindle things with Ivy (also to prove he isn't waffling between Hope and Steffy), and Ivy will want him back since she would be settling for Thomas, and Thomas would be settling for her. Meanwhile, Hope will want Thomas back as well but will still refuse to get engaged. They are setting up a Thomas/Ivy/Hope/Liam quadrangle, in my opinion.
Liam has said that he's doing soul searching, so if Liam chases an engaged Ivy, then that will be no growth for him because then it will be similar to him trying to get a married Steffy back last year.And an engaged Thomas will definitely have a divided heart, so that will make him no different than Liam. Therefore, Hope's attraction to his I'm a one-woman thing will disappear. LOL.
Liam specified that he needed to stop waffling between Hope and Steffy. I believe that was the main takeaway from their conversation. The issue lies in his indecision; pursuing Ivy won't prevent his soul-searching. She may simply represent a part of that stage his life—a rekindling with the one that got away. We've also seen Ridge engage in this kind of "soul-searching" before, and we know it won't last. Liam's soul-searching likely won't last either.Ivy will likely serve as a source of third-party angst for Thope, pushing Hope to finally commit to Thomas. This could be a strategy to prompt Hope to "fight" for their relationship. Thomas will still be in love with Hope, and Ivy will still harbor feelings for Liam, which could make Tivy a very short-term relationship.
I'm just speculating here, but I believe Hope's line about "who knows what the future will bring to us" was a signal indicating Ivy's return. Her comeback will thus undoubtedly impact Hope and Liam. Ivy, being Liam's ex and she may find herself entangled in a relationship or situation involving Thomas. However, this is all just speculation.
Pursuing an engaged Ivy will prevent growth from Liam though..as she would be someone that's not available no different than a married Steffy.
And Hope's line about "who knows what the future will bring to us" could also be interpreted as a Lope reunion down the road..especially since Hope and Liam have acknowledged that they are on the same page in life..they're both doing soul searching and focusing on kids, themselves, and career.
Yeah, it's all just speculation..and even if there's a Livy, it'll be like Thope imo..short-term..not meant for an actual viable, long-term deal such as Bridge, Lope or Sinn.
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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
Finn has shown zero interest in Hope and is not crushing on her at all. Their relationship is very platonic; he sees her purely as a friend and nothing more. Finn explicitly told Hope that Steffy and the kids are his life—the best part of his life. He also expressed to Hope that from the moment he saw Steffy, he knew she was the woman for him and the love of his life. Additionally, Finn strongly hinted that Hope should reconcile with Liam. How does any of this suggest that Finn is "developing" feelings for Hope?Sinn will undoubtedly be dealing with the Sheila crisis, but I don't foresee a Steam reunion happening anytime soon. If anything, Steffy and Finn will overcome the challenges once again. They have consistently refused to let Sheila break them apart for long, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Also, Steffy would absolutely fight another woman for Finn. If Steffy would fight the biggest villainess in Sheila to protect her marriage, another woman showing interest in Finn would be a walk in the park! Plus, Steffy said it herself that Finn is her soulmate.
Ivy's return is for Liam. No woman ever truly gets over Liam after spending time away, as we've seen with both Steffy and Hope. Ivy will return and still be in love with Liam. The recent Steam/Lope scenes hinted at Ivy's return. Liam has emphasized to both Steffy and Hope that his priority is being a father, and he spent so long wavering between the two women. To demonstrate Liam's growth, the writers need to detach him from both women, hence Ivy's return.
Last week, Hope's comment to Liam, "Who knows what the future will bring us?" was strong foreshadowing. Ivy's return will thus significantly impact both Hope and Liam. During the breakup scenes between Thomas and Hope, there were heavy mentions that Thomas needs to find a woman who can commit. This was another foreshadowing point. Thomas will return from Paris engaged to Ivy, which will make both Hope and Liam jealous. Liam will want to rekindle things with Ivy (also to prove he isn't waffling between Hope and Steffy), and Ivy will want him back since she would be settling for Thomas, and Thomas would be settling for her. Meanwhile, Hope will want Thomas back as well but will still refuse to get engaged. They are setting up a Thomas/Ivy/Hope/Liam quadrangle, in my opinion.
Liam has said that he's doing soul searching, so if Liam chases an engaged Ivy, then that will be no growth for him because then it will be similar to him trying to get a married Steffy back last year.And an engaged Thomas will definitely have a divided heart, so that will make him no different than Liam. Therefore, Hope's attraction to his I'm a one-woman thing will disappear. LOL.
Liam specified that he needed to stop waffling between Hope and Steffy. I believe that was the main takeaway from their conversation. The issue lies in his indecision; pursuing Ivy won't prevent his soul-searching. She may simply represent a part of that stage his life—a rekindling with the one that got away. We've also seen Ridge engage in this kind of "soul-searching" before, and we know it won't last. Liam's soul-searching likely won't last either.Ivy will likely serve as a source of third-party angst for Thope, pushing Hope to finally commit to Thomas. This could be a strategy to prompt Hope to "fight" for their relationship. Thomas will still be in love with Hope, and Ivy will still harbor feelings for Liam, which could make Tivy a very short-term relationship.
I'm just speculating here, but I believe Hope's line about "who knows what the future will bring to us" was a signal indicating Ivy's return. Her comeback will thus undoubtedly impact Hope and Liam. Ivy, being Liam's ex and she may find herself entangled in a relationship or situation involving Thomas. However, this is all just speculation.
Pursuing an engaged Ivy will prevent growth from Liam though..as she would be someone that's not available no different than a married Steffy.And Hope's line about "who knows what the future will bring to us" could also be interpreted as a Lope reunion down the road..especially since Hope and Liam have acknowledged that they are on the same page in life..they're both doing soul searching and focusing on kids, themselves, and career.
Yeah, it's all just speculation..and even if there's a Livy, it'll be like Thope imo..short-term..not meant for an actual viable, long-term deal such as Bridge, Lope or Sinn.
I don't know, I just think these writers may be planning to illustrate Liam's "growth" by having him focus on another woman that is not Steffy or Hope. Regardless of whether that woman is attached or not; the point is Liam won't be a Hope or Steffy problem.
That line could also mean a Lope reunion; I thought that as well. Those scenes could have been resetting them for a potential reunion to make sense in the future. I think knowing Ivy returning soon conciding with Thomas' exit makes me think that is the most likely route. Ivy returning with Thomas impacting both Hope and Liam in different ways seems to me like a potential direction.
Liam and Ivy definitely won't last, that we can definitely agree on.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
Finn has shown zero interest in Hope and is not crushing on her at all. Their relationship is very platonic; he sees her purely as a friend and nothing more. Finn explicitly told Hope that Steffy and the kids are his life—the best part of his life. He also expressed to Hope that from the moment he saw Steffy, he knew she was the woman for him and the love of his life. Additionally, Finn strongly hinted that Hope should reconcile with Liam. How does any of this suggest that Finn is "developing" feelings for Hope?Sinn will undoubtedly be dealing with the Sheila crisis, but I don't foresee a Steam reunion happening anytime soon. If anything, Steffy and Finn will overcome the challenges once again. They have consistently refused to let Sheila break them apart for long, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Also, Steffy would absolutely fight another woman for Finn. If Steffy would fight the biggest villainess in Sheila to protect her marriage, another woman showing interest in Finn would be a walk in the park! Plus, Steffy said it herself that Finn is her soulmate.
Ivy's return is for Liam. No woman ever truly gets over Liam after spending time away, as we've seen with both Steffy and Hope. Ivy will return and still be in love with Liam. The recent Steam/Lope scenes hinted at Ivy's return. Liam has emphasized to both Steffy and Hope that his priority is being a father, and he spent so long wavering between the two women. To demonstrate Liam's growth, the writers need to detach him from both women, hence Ivy's return.
Last week, Hope's comment to Liam, "Who knows what the future will bring us?" was strong foreshadowing. Ivy's return will thus significantly impact both Hope and Liam. During the breakup scenes between Thomas and Hope, there were heavy mentions that Thomas needs to find a woman who can commit. This was another foreshadowing point. Thomas will return from Paris engaged to Ivy, which will make both Hope and Liam jealous. Liam will want to rekindle things with Ivy (also to prove he isn't waffling between Hope and Steffy), and Ivy will want him back since she would be settling for Thomas, and Thomas would be settling for her. Meanwhile, Hope will want Thomas back as well but will still refuse to get engaged. They are setting up a Thomas/Ivy/Hope/Liam quadrangle, in my opinion.
Liam has said that he's doing soul searching, so if Liam chases an engaged Ivy, then that will be no growth for him because then it will be similar to him trying to get a married Steffy back last year.And an engaged Thomas will definitely have a divided heart, so that will make him no different than Liam. Therefore, Hope's attraction to his I'm a one-woman thing will disappear. LOL.
Liam specified that he needed to stop waffling between Hope and Steffy. I believe that was the main takeaway from their conversation. The issue lies in his indecision; pursuing Ivy won't prevent his soul-searching. She may simply represent a part of that stage his life—a rekindling with the one that got away. We've also seen Ridge engage in this kind of "soul-searching" before, and we know it won't last. Liam's soul-searching likely won't last either.Ivy will likely serve as a source of third-party angst for Thope, pushing Hope to finally commit to Thomas. This could be a strategy to prompt Hope to "fight" for their relationship. Thomas will still be in love with Hope, and Ivy will still harbor feelings for Liam, which could make Tivy a very short-term relationship.
I'm just speculating here, but I believe Hope's line about "who knows what the future will bring to us" was a signal indicating Ivy's return. Her comeback will thus undoubtedly impact Hope and Liam. Ivy, being Liam's ex and she may find herself entangled in a relationship or situation involving Thomas. However, this is all just speculation.
Pursuing an engaged Ivy will prevent growth from Liam though..as she would be someone that's not available no different than a married Steffy.And Hope's line about "who knows what the future will bring to us" could also be interpreted as a Lope reunion down the road..especially since Hope and Liam have acknowledged that they are on the same page in life..they're both doing soul searching and focusing on kids, themselves, and career.
Yeah, it's all just speculation..and even if there's a Livy, it'll be like Thope imo..short-term..not meant for an actual viable, long-term deal such as Bridge, Lope or Sinn.
I don't know, I just think these writers may be planning to illustrate Liam's "growth" by having him focus on another woman that is not Steffy or Hope. Regardless of whether that woman is attached or not; the point is Liam won't be a Hope or Steffy problem.That line could also mean a Lope reunion; I thought that as well. Those scenes could have been resetting them for a potential reunion to make sense in the future. I think knowing Ivy returning soon conciding with Thomas' exit makes me think that is the most likely route. Ivy returning with Thomas impacting both Hope and Liam in different ways seems to me like a potential direction.
Liam and Ivy definitely won't last, that we can definitely agree on.
Yeah, and my main take away from this past few weeks was that Hope and Liam are on the same page in life, while Thope are definitely not on the same page. Huge difference, despite her claim that she loves Thomas. So imo, doesn't matter if it's Livy or Thope..both doomed to fail, definitely won't last. LOL.
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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
Celeste , 4/21/2024, 3:15PM (12 days ago) @Nissi.L- one person liked this
Honestly, i think the reason why ivy is back will be lame and her presence too short to have weight in storylines. Also i don't think leffy will reunite. after Rome's kiss it seemed possible but now Liam's interest for steffy, if ever was sincere, looks so faded. It looks that Thopeb's ship has sailed for good, fortunately. I'd say that because Hope adjusted very well to this new life without him and even without Douglas. If the plan was to reuniting them, they would have made a bigger deal about losing Douglas who has been for so long what kept them close and connected. It looks to me they started to slowly build Lope again. I can see a triangle between Hope, Finn and Liam.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
Maybe she’s returning to check on her Uncle and no more. They did it to create a buzz. She’s only on for a few days right now. Maybe she’ll bump into Liam, Steffy, or Hope and that will set up something for the future. I don’t believe anything interesting is going to happen during this first return though.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
I don’t think Sinn’s marriage is fragile and I doubt that him helping find Sheila will cause major problems. Now maybe the aftermath but Iguess we won’t know until the story unfolds.
I think any of these theories could be interesting. I was also not a fan of Ivy but the show really does need a female in that age group so I will take her. I remember her with Liam and didn’t like that so maybe Thomas or Finn? I would have to see the actors interact.
Why is Ivy coming back? My 2 theories
"Poison Ivy" (as Quinn used to call her) was such an annoying character especially the last part. I was glad when she left.
But now I think her character is needed. Too many women left in the last 5 years (Caroline, Sally, Nicole, Maya, Sasha, Flo, Zoe, Quinn, Shauna, Paris, Taylor).
A woman in Steffy and Hope's age group is desperately needed.
If Ivy can shake things up, let her come back. Here are my 3 theories.1) She wants Liam back and it'll be a catalyst that brings Steam closer.
I still believe the goal is to reunite them (I think so since the kiss in Rome). But it will take time. If they do reunite, it won't be before the end of this year.
Steffy and Finn will have a huge crisis when Sheila reappears and Steffy finds out Finn was looking for his mom with Deacon. Her marriage is fragile enough, but Sheila's return will make things worse.
His "friendship" with Hope will eventually cause major problems too.
Steffy sticking her nose in Liam and Ivy's business would add more fuel to the fire.
Steffy said more than once she was fine with Lope because "Hope is a decent woman" but she never felt the same way about Sally or Ivy.
I doubt Livy will make her indifferent especially if her own marriage is crumbling at the same time.
I think more and more they're setting up a Thomas-Hope-Finn triangle. Finn is developping feelings for Hope but they won't come out until after Steffy dumps him.
He won't cheat on Steffy, but if his marriage falls apart, he will chase after Hope.
Finn hates Thomas with passion, and these Finn/Thomas fighting scenes weren't put there for no reason.
If Steffy is no longer an option for him, do you really think he will quietly let Hope and Thomas be happy? I don't. He will want Hope for himself.
So this is my first and most likely theory. Ivy and Steffy's rivalry for Liam is resurrected, while Finn and Thomas battle for Hope.2) Ivy and Thomas reconnect off screen.
Ivy laments that she never got over Liam but that he isn't interested in her. Thomas is still grieving his relationship with Hope.
They remember that they almost had an affair back then. They secretely reconnect in Paris and come back to LA together.
Maybe they have an agenda, and they agree to pretend they are together so they can see Liam and Hope's reaction. Or they are a legit (but short-term) couple.
Hope realizes what she's missed and starts to fight for Thomas. Beginning of a new rivalry and a new triangle with Hope and Ivy. Of course Hope wins in the end, Ivy wouldn't be more than angst.
Meanwhile Finn-Steffy-Liam goes on in a separate triangle.There is a 3rd theory, Ivy hooking up with Finn. But that one is very unlikely and wouldn't bring much drama.
I don't see Steffy ever fighting another woman for Finn. On the contrary, if he shows interest in another woman, she will be done with him.
It would also mean return of Thomas-Hope-Liam's triangle and I can't see it.
If Hope stays with Thomas and Steffy goes back to Liam, Finn and Ivy could happen on the other hand. But it would happen much, much later down the road.IMO, it's either Steam vs Livy + Thope vs Hinn OR Sinn vs Steam + Thope vs Tivy.
What do you think and what would you rather watch?
i think she will be in town to see Eric.