A One-Woman Reminder (General)

Being a one-woman man means nothing if one is a psychopath child abuser and attempt murderer.

Stalker. Gotta add stalker.

During her rambling session where she mostly said nothing, Hope mentioned being pulled towards a "one-woman man" and then looked towards Liam. It was another subtle reminder that the underlying problem that ended Lope is that Liam isn't a one-woman man. That's irreparable. That can't be fixed. A man who openly admitted to being incapable of being a one-woman man can't magically turn into one nor can he expect a woman he put through the ringer to believe him if he tries to sell the idea.

Doesn't one-woman-man Tom deserve a one-man-woman? And Hope just is not a one-man-woman. She proved that when she dumped Tom after their sex fest to try and work things out with Liam. She proved it again when she could not even tell Tom she would wear the engagement ring on her finger as a promise to commit to him later down the road. We heard them say yesterday that they were going to be focused on Beth more. Would one-woman-man Tom really like it if Hope was spending a lot of time with Liam while they do things as a family with Beth, and he is not included? And why would Liam want to include Tom in anything he may be doing with his child and her mother?

Agree. Thomas definitely deserves a one-man woman. Not so much that Liam doing things with Hope and Beth would be a problem, but he deserves a woman who truly loves him and only him and I don’t see that in Hope.

During her rambling session where she mostly said nothing, Hope mentioned being pulled towards a "one-woman man" and then looked towards Liam. It was another subtle reminder that the underlying problem that ended Lope is that Liam isn't a one-woman man. That's irreparable. That can't be fixed. A man who openly admitted to being incapable of being a one-woman man can't magically turn into one nor can he expect a woman he put through the ringer to believe him if he tries to sell the idea.

Doesn't one-woman-man Tom deserve a one-man-woman? And Hope just is not a one-man-woman. She proved that when she dumped Tom after their sex fest to try and work things out with Liam. She proved it again when she could not even tell Tom she would wear the engagement ring on her finger as a promise to commit to him later down the road. We heard them say yesterday that they were going to be focused on Beth more. Would one-woman-man Tom really like it if Hope was spending a lot of time with Liam while they do things as a family with Beth, and he is not included? And why would Liam want to include Tom in anything he may be doing with his child and her mother?

Why are they even going on these play trips together…they are divorced…….unnecessary

During her rambling session where she mostly said nothing, Hope mentioned being pulled towards a "one-woman man" and then looked towards Liam. It was another subtle reminder that the underlying problem that ended Lope is that Liam isn't a one-woman man. That's irreparable. That can't be fixed. A man who openly admitted to being incapable of being a one-woman man can't magically turn into one nor can he expect a woman he put through the ringer to believe him if he tries to sell the idea.

It was a subtle reminder that Liam *wasn’t* a one woman man. On this show it can and will be repaired, and that’s exactly what was hinted at yesterday in Liam’s dialog imo. Hope asked if anything else (translation: Steffy) was on his list of priorities and he made a joke about Spencer dominating the world (translation: no Steffy), which pleased Hope so much that she walked across the room to be closer to continue their conversation. Liam saying he realized he had no identity unless he was with someone and wanting to focus on being the best dad he can be and his work means he’s giving up his Waffle King title…for now anyway. I seriously don’t know what viewers would find interesting to watch in Liam or Hope going about their lists of priorities, though I’m sure Hope would beg to differ and think we should be highly entertained by her focusing on herself. Anyway, imo Liam stands a much better chance of becoming a one woman man someday (kind of like he already had, before Hope decided she wanted Thomas) than of Spencer dominating the world, given that all he does is gab and go out to lunch. Hope will surely believe him. She wants to believe him. That’s why she asked if there was anything else on his list of priorities, and why she was so pleased there wasn’t.

I have noticed that they always write Hope edging closer to Liam in a room, if they are having a heartfelt conversation. It is never the other way around. I think it is the subtle way of conveying that Hope really does want to be with Liam again. IA with you that Hope wants to believe Liam, she needs to believe him, because he is the man she is in love with, not Tom. When she was written to bring up the "other priorities" line, my mind went back to her telling Liam he should go meet someone else, go on a dating APP, etc. She seemed like she was trying to find out if he had done as she told him.

During her rambling session where she mostly said nothing, Hope mentioned being pulled towards a "one-woman man" and then looked towards Liam. It was another subtle reminder that the underlying problem that ended Lope is that Liam isn't a one-woman man. That's irreparable. That can't be fixed. A man who openly admitted to being incapable of being a one-woman man can't magically turn into one nor can he expect a woman he put through the ringer to believe him if he tries to sell the idea.

It was a subtle reminder that Liam *wasn’t* a one woman man. On this show it can and will be repaired, and that’s exactly what was hinted at yesterday in Liam’s dialog imo. Hope asked if anything else (translation: Steffy) was on his list of priorities and he made a joke about Spencer dominating the world (translation: no Steffy), which pleased Hope so much that she walked across the room to be closer to continue their conversation. Liam saying he realized he had no identity unless he was with someone and wanting to focus on being the best dad he can be and his work means he’s giving up his Waffle King title…for now anyway. I seriously don’t know what viewers would find interesting to watch in Liam or Hope going about their lists of priorities, though I’m sure Hope would beg to differ and think we should be highly entertained by her focusing on herself. Anyway, imo Liam stands a much better chance of becoming a one woman man someday (kind of like he already had, before Hope decided she wanted Thomas) than of Spencer dominating the world, given that all he does is gab and go out to lunch. Hope will surely believe him. She wants to believe him. That’s why she asked if there was anything else on his list of priorities, and why she was so pleased there wasn’t.

That's an interesting way to look at it. I still don't buy his whole "identity" statement because labeling himself "dad" is again defining himself by a relationship. I think that line was trash. Otherwise, it seems that Liam is veering from Steffy.

I have no idea what the writers will do but I did see, after decades, they entertained Tridge again. That tells me they will entertain any relationship that want at any point, regardless of whether a person's needs are getting met or not in order to do it.

During her rambling session where she mostly said nothing, Hope mentioned being pulled towards a "one-woman man" and then looked towards Liam. It was another subtle reminder that the underlying problem that ended Lope is that Liam isn't a one-woman man. That's irreparable. That can't be fixed. A man who openly admitted to being incapable of being a one-woman man can't magically turn into one nor can he expect a woman he put through the ringer to believe him if he tries to sell the idea.

Of course he can. That's what the purpose of that dialogue was, IMO. Liam is doing soul searching and realizing that what he was doing was not okay. His waffling days are over.

The writers can change anything and they can change any character with a single line of dialogue. In this case, they reset Lope with several lines, over the course of the episode. And it ended with the two of them saying they're going to focus on their kids and the line, with Hope saying...Who knows where we'll end up.

Lope has been reset. And they'll be together again, when the time is right.

Geesh please no

During her rambling session where she mostly said nothing, Hope mentioned being pulled towards a "one-woman man" and then looked towards Liam. It was another subtle reminder that the underlying problem that ended Lope is that Liam isn't a one-woman man. That's irreparable. That can't be fixed. A man who openly admitted to being incapable of being a one-woman man can't magically turn into one nor can he expect a woman he put through the ringer to believe him if he tries to sell the idea.

While it is true that forgiving infidelity is a very hard thing, it can’t possibly be harder than forgiving someone for keeping your child from you, yet Hope did. She told Liam it’s because she knows he is a changed man and she has been able to move past it. If Liam can prove he too has really changed and no longer wants to constantly go between two women, maybe she could forgive him? Also, Liam hasn’t indicated he even wants to be with Hope again, so it doesn’t matter if Hope wants him or not. She claims to still love Thomas so I guess we will find out if Thomas really wants a future with Hope. I believe Liam will discover that his constant need to have a woman in his life may stem from losing his mom, his only source of stability growing up. Hope has admitted her actions may have to do with her mom and upbringing. Ultimately, it’s gonna depend on what the writers want and ratings dictate. I’m no Liam fan, but I once was a Lope fan, and they certainly turned me against that! The power is definitely in the writing.

If infidelity is hard to forgive, then Hope has work to do with Liam and getting him to trust her. She's the one who broke the fidelity this last time that destroyed the marriage for her walk on the wild side. And I think she is the one who has to come to an understanding that if she can having feelings for Thomas and keep them in check, then Liam can have feelings for Steffy and keep them in check.

It was unfair of her to spend all those months last year, fighting to control herself, but then admonish Liam for 'divided feelings" that he was managing better than she was her divided feelings.

During her rambling session where she mostly said nothing, Hope mentioned being pulled towards a "one-woman man" and then looked towards Liam. It was another subtle reminder that the underlying problem that ended Lope is that Liam isn't a one-woman man. That's irreparable. That can't be fixed. A man who openly admitted to being incapable of being a one-woman man can't magically turn into one nor can he expect a woman he put through the ringer to believe him if he tries to sell the idea.

I don't see Liam trying to sell Hope anything and I don't see Liam trying to reunite with Hope. What I did see, however, was Hope asking to be number two after Beth's birthday party, and as you pointed out, she was looking at Liam with askance, so.........she'll take second chair, I'm sure.

Hope has always wanted Liam back. I’ve always thought that at any point during her relationship with Thomas, if Liam had taken her back she would have dropped Thomas like a hot potato. Even now, after all her talk about how Thomas loves only her and her new “perspective”, she’d take Liam back.

During her rambling session where she mostly said nothing, Hope mentioned being pulled towards a "one-woman man" and then looked towards Liam. It was another subtle reminder that the underlying problem that ended Lope is that Liam isn't a one-woman man. That's irreparable. That can't be fixed. A man who openly admitted to being incapable of being a one-woman man can't magically turn into one nor can he expect a woman he put through the ringer to believe him if he tries to sell the idea.

I would think if Thomas can change being obsessed with Hope then Liam can change. I don’t have a sense that Liam wants two women at the same time. I sense that he cannot handle rejection of any kind. I think some people get angry because he moves on in hours. He doesn’t wait to work it out. Liam cannot handle it when Hope disses him. Steffy rarely put him off and that why he kept falling back on her. Hope has in some way shape or form dissed every guy she’s been with. She does things to call the relationship into question and just like Thomas was the other day, they are horrified. They don’t get it. Hope doesn’t understand what the big deal is. Why won’t Thomas give her more time. Well he’s waited for years in his mind. Why does Liam always run to Steffy? Well up until now she always made herself available. She always compliments him and lifts him up. Nothing is ever just right for Hope. She seeks perfection and needs not just undivided loyalty but praise.

Perfection? Like not wanting her boyfriend to unknowingly have sex with her mom? Like not wanting to see her fiance kiss her step-sister in the car? Like not wanting him to be out with her all night before their wedding? Like not wanting him to be making out on the bed with her the day of their wedding? Like wanting him to come to her for an explanation after the mannequin kiss before having sex with her? None of those things are examples of looking for perfection. They're normal expectations for couples.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

During her rambling session where she mostly said nothing, Hope mentioned being pulled towards a "one-woman man" and then looked towards Liam. It was another subtle reminder that the underlying problem that ended Lope is that Liam isn't a one-woman man. That's irreparable. That can't be fixed. A man who openly admitted to being incapable of being a one-woman man can't magically turn into one nor can he expect a woman he put through the ringer to believe him if he tries to sell the idea.

I would think if Thomas can change being obsessed with Hope then Liam can change. I don’t have a sense that Liam wants two women at the same time. I sense that he cannot handle rejection of any kind. I think some people get angry because he moves on in hours. He doesn’t wait to work it out. Liam cannot handle it when Hope disses him. Steffy rarely put him off and that why he kept falling back on her. Hope has in some way shape or form dissed every guy she’s been with. She does things to call the relationship into question and just like Thomas was the other day, they are horrified. They don’t get it. Hope doesn’t understand what the big deal is. Why won’t Thomas give her more time. Well he’s waited for years in his mind. Why does Liam always run to Steffy? Well up until now she always made herself available. She always compliments him and lifts him up. Nothing is ever just right for Hope. She seeks perfection and needs not just undivided loyalty but praise.

Agreed. Hope is the goldilocks of relationships, never finding one that is "just right." Wyatt can be added to all you say as well.