Right Conversation, Wrong Mindset (General)
takerkid 
, 3/27/2024, 6:45PM (42 days ago)
Thope had the conversation they been needing to have today but Thomas walked in with absolutely the wrong mindset. He was convinced by his sister that he was 100% right and Hope was 100% wrong, that turning down his proposal was rejecting him, that she didn't love him enough to marry him ever. He came in already intending to break up instead of have a dialogue with Hope. If he'd had someone who really cared about him in his ear instead of Steffy, they would've told him that Hope loved him, to have this conversation with Hope and hear her out. If you've already got your mind made up that things are a certain way you're not listening to the person trying to talk to you.
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Thope had the conversation they been needing to have today but Thomas walked in with absolutely the wrong mindset. He was convinced by his sister that he was 100% right and Hope was 100% wrong, that turning down his proposal was rejecting him, that she didn't love him enough to marry him ever. He came in already intending to break up instead of have a dialogue with Hope. If he'd had someone who really cared about him in his ear instead of Steffy, they would've told him that Hope loved him, to have this conversation with Hope and hear her out. If you've already got your mind made up that things are a certain way you're not listening to the person trying to talk to you.
How long he soppose to put his life on hold …Hope deserves no sympathy
Right Conversation, Wrong Mindset
Thope had the conversation they been needing to have today but Thomas walked in with absolutely the wrong mindset. He was convinced by his sister that he was 100% right and Hope was 100% wrong, that turning down his proposal was rejecting him, that she didn't love him enough to marry him ever. He came in already intending to break up instead of have a dialogue with Hope. If he'd had someone who really cared about him in his ear instead of Steffy, they would've told him that Hope loved him, to have this conversation with Hope and hear her out. If you've already got your mind made up that things are a certain way you're not listening to the person trying to talk to you.
Not me I'm happy
Thope is over and
dead.Now as a Hope Logan fan,
I'm hpoing my fave girl Hope Logan
can move on with her life.
xoxo,
Steph
#Team Sheila Carter+Hope Logan+Dylan & Jessica +Flo Fulton Fan
#AProudSheilaCarter+HopeLoganFanAndSupporter
Right Conversation, Wrong Mindset
Thope had the conversation they been needing to have today but Thomas walked in with absolutely the wrong mindset. He was convinced by his sister that he was 100% right and Hope was 100% wrong, that turning down his proposal was rejecting him, that she didn't love him enough to marry him ever. He came in already intending to break up instead of have a dialogue with Hope. If he'd had someone who really cared about him in his ear instead of Steffy, they would've told him that Hope loved him, to have this conversation with Hope and hear her out. If you've already got your mind made up that things are a certain way you're not listening to the person trying to talk to you.
Thomas seemed clear-headed. He seemed to understand what people had been saying all along. Thomas has mental health issues. And Hope is a trigger. Hope is unable to give him what he needs in a partner right now, and he needs to walk away before this situation spirals. Thomas made the right decision for himself today. It felt very grown up and rational. This wasn't about Steffy. His mind was made up because he was seeing things clearly. He looked back on the past few months with wide-open eyes.
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takerkid , 3/27/2024, 7:49PM (42 days ago) @B&Bfan1980
Thomas seemed robotic not clear-headed. Going into a conversation with someone with your mind made up isn't really a conversation. They needed to have this conversation before Steffy got to him.
Thomas seemed robotic not clear-headed. Going into a conversation with someone with your mind made up isn't really a conversation. They needed to have this conversation before Steffy got to him.
Untrue. He was not robotic and he would have heard what she had to say. Problem was, she had not answers to his questions.
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takerkid , 3/28/2024, 1:46AM (42 days ago) @Tiqui1999
Thomas seemed robotic not clear-headed. Going into a conversation with someone with your mind made up isn't really a conversation. They needed to have this conversation before Steffy got to him.
Untrue. He was not robotic and he would have heard what she had to say. Problem was, she had not answers to his questions.
I found him to be very robotic. He went in there with his mind made up and he was trying to not be affected by anything she said.
Thomas seemed robotic not clear-headed. Going into a conversation with someone with your mind made up isn't really a conversation. They needed to have this conversation before Steffy got to him.
Untrue. He was not robotic and he would have heard what she had to say. Problem was, she had not answers to his questions.
I found him to be very robotic. He went in there with his mind made up and he was trying to not be affected by anything she said.
I found him to be strong and resolute. Good for him for finally making hard choices for the best of him. She said nothing so he was only proved right. She said NOTHING, taker, but you keep defending her. Hilarious.
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Nope… Thomas was clearly manipulated by Steffy. He was even using her talking points. He was not listening at all.
Right Conversation, Wrong Mindset
Thope had the conversation they been needing to have today but Thomas walked in with absolutely the wrong mindset. He was convinced by his sister that he was 100% right and Hope was 100% wrong, that turning down his proposal was rejecting him, that she didn't love him enough to marry him ever. He came in already intending to break up instead of have a dialogue with Hope. If he'd had someone who really cared about him in his ear instead of Steffy, they would've told him that Hope loved him, to have this conversation with Hope and hear her out. If you've already got your mind made up that things are a certain way you're not listening to the person trying to talk to you.
Genuine question. What difference do you think it would have made if he hadn't talked to Steffy? Hope is still not coming close to wanting a commitment. And Thomas should not be expected to wait around until she changes her mind if he wants to get married. So how would anything have changed between the two? Thomas would still be compromising and bowing to Hope's wishes. And once again, why should Thomas be the one to compromise? Why can't Hope?
Thope had the conversation they been needing to have today but Thomas walked in with absolutely the wrong mindset. He was convinced by his sister that he was 100% right and Hope was 100% wrong, that turning down his proposal was rejecting him, that she didn't love him enough to marry him ever. He came in already intending to break up instead of have a dialogue with Hope. If he'd had someone who really cared about him in his ear instead of Steffy, they would've told him that Hope loved him, to have this conversation with Hope and hear her out. If you've already got your mind made up that things are a certain way you're not listening to the person trying to talk to you.
Genuine question. What difference do you think it would have made if he hadn't talked to Steffy? Hope is still not coming close to wanting a commitment. And Thomas should not be expected to wait around until she changes her mind if he wants to get married. So how would anything have changed between the two? Thomas would still be compromising and bowing to Hope's wishes. And once again, why should Thomas be the one to compromise? Why can't Hope?
Correct. And Thomas gave her a chance to answer all of his questions herself. She didn't.
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takerkid , 3/27/2024, 7:56PM (42 days ago) @Dreamgirl
If Steffy hadn't gotten to him first he would've actually heard Hope say she loves him but that she needed time because she didn't want to jump into a marriage (again) without being absolutely sure. She's not asking him to wait forever. They've only been in a committed relationship since December. He was getting ahead of himself anyway.
If Steffy hadn't gotten to him first he would've actually heard Hope say she loves him but that she needed time because she didn't want to jump into a marriage (again) without being absolutely sure. She's not asking him to wait forever. They've only been in a committed relationship since December. He was getting ahead of himself anyway.
Oh, so you think Thomas is too stupid to realize he's already given her time? Ok.
She didn't even say she was close, so I'm glad he told her that she was out of time!
Thope had the conversation they been needing to have today but Thomas walked in with absolutely the wrong mindset. He was convinced by his sister that he was 100% right and Hope was 100% wrong, that turning down his proposal was rejecting him, that she didn't love him enough to marry him ever. He came in already intending to break up instead of have a dialogue with Hope. If he'd had someone who really cared about him in his ear instead of Steffy, they would've told him that Hope loved him, to have this conversation with Hope and hear her out. If you've already got your mind made up that things are a certain way you're not listening to the person trying to talk to you.
He should have listened to someone who isn't coming from a place of hatred. Like Brooke. 
--
"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."
"You're the love of my life."
Liam to Hope. Debate over.
Right Conversation, Wrong Mindset
Thope had the conversation they been needing to have today but Thomas walked in with absolutely the wrong mindset. He was convinced by his sister that he was 100% right and Hope was 100% wrong, that turning down his proposal was rejecting him, that she didn't love him enough to marry him ever. He came in already intending to break up instead of have a dialogue with Hope. If he'd had someone who really cared about him in his ear instead of Steffy, they would've told him that Hope loved him, to have this conversation with Hope and hear her out. If you've already got your mind made up that things are a certain way you're not listening to the person trying to talk to you.
He should have listened to someone who isn't coming from a place of hatred. Like Brooke.
But what good would that be? Brooke would simply say Hope loves you but she can't be your wife....Thomas already know this, but it's NOT what he wants and he doesn't want to wait anymore. Thope are simply NOT on the same page.
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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.
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takerkid , 3/27/2024, 7:58PM (42 days ago) @Drangonfly
I actually agree. Brooke's advice would've been 10x better than Steffy's
Right Conversation, Wrong Mindset
I actually agree. Brooke's advice would've been 10x better than Steffy's
What actual advice can Brooke give him to make him feel better? The bottom line is Hope still can't be his wife..so whatever advice Brooke may give him isn't gonna give him what he wants the most.
--
Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.
Right Conversation, Wrong Mindset
Thope had the conversation they been needing to have today but Thomas walked in with absolutely the wrong mindset. He was convinced by his sister that he was 100% right and Hope was 100% wrong, that turning down his proposal was rejecting him, that she didn't love him enough to marry him ever. He came in already intending to break up instead of have a dialogue with Hope. If he'd had someone who really cared about him in his ear instead of Steffy, they would've told him that Hope loved him, to have this conversation with Hope and hear her out. If you've already got your mind made up that things are a certain way you're not listening to the person trying to talk to you.
But he was willing to hear her out. He asked her some very pointed questions. He asked if she would ever be able to love him the way he loves her. She had no answer. He asked whether they were building a foundation together. She said she didn’t want things between them to change. He said that was the thing…things do change and progress, and he doesn’t know if she could *ever* be ready to marry him. She had no answer to that. He said it hurts too much to go on feeling this way. I don’t think Brooke convincing him to continue to wait for her daughter to make up her mind would be healthy for him. He’s doing the right thing by getting out before he gets sucked into a bad place again.
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takerkid , 3/27/2024, 10:27PM (42 days ago) @GLFan
That's the thing. It's about his mindset. He's in a hurry to get married because he's in love with Hope for a decade whereas she's only been in love with him for 6-8 months maybe. That's unfair to Hope. The problem is Steffy convinced him he was right instead of telling him the truth, that he's getting ahead of his skis.
Right Conversation, Wrong Mindset
That's the thing. It's about his mindset. He's in a hurry to get married because he's in love with Hope for a decade whereas she's only been in love with him for 6-8 months maybe. That's unfair to Hope. The problem is Steffy convinced him he was right instead of telling him the truth, that he's getting ahead of his skis.
We have to give Thomas some credit for knowing his own feelings. He knows Hope is not Steffy’s favorite person, he heard Hope say Steffy was trying to drive a wedge between them, and he said that Steffy is not a puppeteer. He was heartbroken as soon as Hope turned him down, before Steffy said a word. Steffy asked him what was wrong when he walked into the office looking upset, and he told her Hope had turned him down again. Thomas is entitled to want progress just as much as Hope is entitled to want nothing to change. If this is all the time he feels he can give her without mentally circling the drain then it is what it is. Thomas never said the things Steffy asserted about her using him, he was all about the lack of progress. Engaged or not engaged, the fact that she only said ILY when she felt she had to, to try to reel him back in, just shows she’s being dragged along reluctantly rather than wanting to be all in like he does.
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takerkid , 3/28/2024, 1:17AM (42 days ago) @GLFan
Isn't it also incumbent on him to understand that they've only been an official couple since December? Thomas is ready to jump to marriage because he's been ready for ten plus years. Hope is just barely catching up. He has to give her time.
Isn't it also incumbent on him to understand that they've only been an official couple since December? Thomas is ready to jump to marriage because he's been ready for ten plus years. Hope is just barely catching up. He has to give her time.
You are just never gonna acknowledge that this man has felt this way about her for over a decade, are you? Never gonna acknowledge how long he's felt this way. He has a right to give up no matter how much progress he finally made. It's a pure shame that you want Thope together only on her terms, and Thomas is nothing but a mannequin to you.
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takerkid , 3/28/2024, 1:40AM (42 days ago) @Tiqui1999
Isn't it also incumbent on him to understand that they've only been an official couple since December? Thomas is ready to jump to marriage because he's been ready for ten plus years. Hope is just barely catching up. He has to give her time.
You are just never gonna acknowledge that this man has felt this way about her for over a decade, are you? Never gonna acknowledge how long he's felt this way. He has a right to give up no matter how much progress he finally made. It's a pure shame that you want Thope together only on her terms, and Thomas is nothing but a mannequin to you.
I did acknowledge that he felt this way for over a decade but is Hope not allowed time to catch up to where he's at? He's expecting her be where he's already been and that's just not how things work.
Isn't it also incumbent on him to understand that they've only been an official couple since December? Thomas is ready to jump to marriage because he's been ready for ten plus years. Hope is just barely catching up. He has to give her time.
You are just never gonna acknowledge that this man has felt this way about her for over a decade, are you? Never gonna acknowledge how long he's felt this way. He has a right to give up no matter how much progress he finally made. It's a pure shame that you want Thope together only on her terms, and Thomas is nothing but a mannequin to you.
I did acknowledge that he felt this way for over a decade but is Hope not allowed time to catch up to where he's at? He's expecting her be where he's already been and that's just not how things work.
No, she's not because he's not allowed to see it as an eternity on his side. You won't let him.
Yeah, if she really loves him and wants a future with him, she sure the hell can be where he is. She was with Wyatt and Liam. But she's not this way with Thomas for a reason and you refuse to see that there's a valid reason she won't agree, and you won't see that Thomas has a right to not want to wait. SMHn You think everything should be about what hope wants on her timetable and her terms. No, because Thomas matters, too.
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takerkid , 3/28/2024, 1:49AM (42 days ago) @Tiqui1999
Isn't it also incumbent on him to understand that they've only been an official couple since December? Thomas is ready to jump to marriage because he's been ready for ten plus years. Hope is just barely catching up. He has to give her time.
You are just never gonna acknowledge that this man has felt this way about her for over a decade, are you? Never gonna acknowledge how long he's felt this way. He has a right to give up no matter how much progress he finally made. It's a pure shame that you want Thope together only on her terms, and Thomas is nothing but a mannequin to you.
I did acknowledge that he felt this way for over a decade but is Hope not allowed time to catch up to where he's at? He's expecting her be where he's already been and that's just not how things work.
No, she's not because he's not allowed to see it as an eternity on his side. You won't let him.Yeah, if she really loves him and wants a future with him, she sure the hell can be where he is. She was with Wyatt and Liam. But she's not this way with Thomas for a reason and you refuse to see that there's a valid reason she won't agree, and you won't see that Thomas has a right to not want to wait. SMHn You think everything should be about what hope wants on her timetable and her terms. No, because Thomas matters, too.
It's funny you bring up Wyatt. Hope referenced that debacle of a marriage today more or less saying that she didn't want to get ahead of herself like she did then. She's learning from that mistake. Maybe the fear of losing Thomas will cancel out that fear.
Isn't it also incumbent on him to understand that they've only been an official couple since December? Thomas is ready to jump to marriage because he's been ready for ten plus years. Hope is just barely catching up. He has to give her time.
You are just never gonna acknowledge that this man has felt this way about her for over a decade, are you? Never gonna acknowledge how long he's felt this way. He has a right to give up no matter how much progress he finally made. It's a pure shame that you want Thope together only on her terms, and Thomas is nothing but a mannequin to you.
I did acknowledge that he felt this way for over a decade but is Hope not allowed time to catch up to where he's at? He's expecting her be where he's already been and that's just not how things work.
No, she's not because he's not allowed to see it as an eternity on his side. You won't let him.Yeah, if she really loves him and wants a future with him, she sure the hell can be where he is. She was with Wyatt and Liam. But she's not this way with Thomas for a reason and you refuse to see that there's a valid reason she won't agree, and you won't see that Thomas has a right to not want to wait. SMHn You think everything should be about what hope wants on her timetable and her terms. No, because Thomas matters, too.
It's funny you bring up Wyatt. Hope referenced that debacle of a marriage today more or less saying that she didn't want to get ahead of herself like she did then. She's learning from that mistake. Maybe the fear of losing Thomas will cancel out that fear.
Incorrect. She was talking about the decision she made that got herself out of her last marriage to liam. Because she said she hadn't considered the kids, and there were no kids back during wyatt.
That's the thing. It's about his mindset. He's in a hurry to get married because he's in love with Hope for a decade whereas she's only been in love with him for 6-8 months maybe. That's unfair to Hope. The problem is Steffy convinced him he was right instead of telling him the truth, that he's getting ahead of his skis.
Sorry. It's not. Hope knew the deal and should not have gotten involved if she wasn't ready.
Right Conversation, Wrong Mindset
Thope had the conversation they been needing to have today but Thomas walked in with absolutely the wrong mindset. He was convinced by his sister that he was 100% right and Hope was 100% wrong, that turning down his proposal was rejecting him, that she didn't love him enough to marry him ever. He came in already intending to break up instead of have a dialogue with Hope. If he'd had someone who really cared about him in his ear instead of Steffy, they would've told him that Hope loved him, to have this conversation with Hope and hear her out. If you've already got your mind made up that things are a certain way you're not listening to the person trying to talk to you.
But he was willing to hear her out. He asked her some very pointed questions. He asked if she would ever be able to love him the way he loves her. She had no answer. He asked whether they were building a foundation together. She said she didn’t want things between them to change. He said that was the thing…things do change and progress, and he doesn’t know if she could *ever* be ready to marry him. She had no answer to that. He said it hurts too much to go on feeling this way. I don’t think Brooke convincing him to continue to wait for her daughter to make up her mind would be healthy for him. He’s doing the right thing by getting out before he gets sucked into a bad place again.
Hope is not in love with him and she just cannot bring herself to tell him that because she still wants his constant adoration, his "I am a one woman man" and his designing her fairy princess clothing line. Even today, she quickly accepted he was going to leave, but was still thinking he would be at her beck and call for her stupid line. Hope said all she needed to say on this day....and I am so happy that Tom made it one of the last things he said to her...."why was it only when she was rejecting him could she say she loved him?" And Steffy did not come up with that one, HE did, and it must have stuck out to him like it did to me and many others. Hope could only say she loved him when she saw that he was not quickly getting over her rejection and had shrugged her hand off his arm. The other thing she said that told us almost everything was...basically this was HER journey of exploration and figuring out her life, blah, blah, blah, and she considered him just along for the ride. Well what about what he wants HIS journey to be?
Hate Hope or like Hope....today was not a good day in any way for Hope. She came across like a self absorbed child....especially when he said "maybe I will find someone that wants me, and will love him as much as I love them..."....honestly, that is where she looked unhinged and got kind of creepy in her response. Like how dare he even suggest that he might want to find someone that will love him, when he has been given the gift of being allowed to worship her in all her "wonderfulness".....all this sex has gone to Hope's head....she now thinks she is the greatest thing in the world, on or off the office couch.
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takerkid , 3/28/2024, 1:19AM (42 days ago) @matisse
I simply don't understand why Hope is expected to want to marry this man after only three months or why she isn't taken at her word when she says she loves him?
I simply don't unhe derstand why Hope is expected to want to marry this man after only three months or why she isn't taken at her word when she says she loves him?
I simply don't understand why Thomas is expected to sit around and wait one day in vain for her love when he wants something else.
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takerkid , 3/28/2024, 1:43AM (42 days ago) @Tiqui1999
I simply don't unhe derstand why Hope is expected to want to marry this man after only three months or why she isn't taken at her word when she says she loves him?
I simply don't understand why Thomas is expected to sit around and wait one day in vain for her love when he wants something else.
He's got her love. She's told him that in so many different ways. He seems unwilling to give her time to catch up.
I simply don't unhe derstand why Hope is expected to want to marry this man after only three months or why she isn't taken at her word when she says she loves him?
I simply don't understand why Thomas is expected to sit around and wait one day in vain for her love when he wants something else.
He's got her love. She's told him that in so many different ways. He seems unwilling to give her time to catch up.
He doesn't have to wait. It's his right!!! He's expected to give Hope her way. NOPE! Because Hope will never feel for him how he feels for her. He asked her that and she couldn't even say. Pathetic.
Right Conversation, Wrong Mindset
Thope had the conversation they been needing to have today but Thomas walked in with absolutely the wrong mindset. He was convinced by his sister that he was 100% right and Hope was 100% wrong, that turning down his proposal was rejecting him, that she didn't love him enough to marry him ever. He came in already intending to break up instead of have a dialogue with Hope. If he'd had someone who really cared about him in his ear instead of Steffy, they would've told him that Hope loved him, to have this conversation with Hope and hear her out. If you've already got your mind made up that things are a certain way you're not listening to the person trying to talk to you.
But he was willing to hear her out. He asked her some very pointed questions. He asked if she would ever be able to love him the way he loves her. She had no answer. He asked whether they were building a foundation together. She said she didn’t want things between them to change. He said that was the thing…things do change and progress, and he doesn’t know if she could *ever* be ready to marry him. She had no answer to that. He said it hurts too much to go on feeling this way. I don’t think Brooke convincing him to continue to wait for her daughter to make up her mind would be healthy for him. He’s doing the right thing by getting out before he gets sucked into a bad place again.
What do you mean? It’s all evil Steffy.
Steffy hates Hope but she loves Thomas and while she may be smug I don’t think she is trying to hurt him, all of the things Thomas said today were valid. And I am proud of him for prioritizing his well being.
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takerkid , 3/28/2024, 1:23AM (42 days ago) @B&Bfan1980
Thope had the conversation they been needing to have today but Thomas walked in with absolutely the wrong mindset. He was convinced by his sister that he was 100% right and Hope was 100% wrong, that turning down his proposal was rejecting him, that she didn't love him enough to marry him ever. He came in already intending to break up instead of have a dialogue with Hope. If he'd had someone who really cared about him in his ear instead of Steffy, they would've told him that Hope loved him, to have this conversation with Hope and hear her out. If you've already got your mind made up that things are a certain way you're not listening to the person trying to talk to you.
But he was willing to hear her out. He asked her some very pointed questions. He asked if she would ever be able to love him the way he loves her. She had no answer. He asked whether they were building a foundation together. She said she didn’t want things between them to change. He said that was the thing…things do change and progress, and he doesn’t know if she could *ever* be ready to marry him. She had no answer to that. He said it hurts too much to go on feeling this way. I don’t think Brooke convincing him to continue to wait for her daughter to make up her mind would be healthy for him. He’s doing the right thing by getting out before he gets sucked into a bad place again.
What do you mean? It’s all evil Steffy.
Steffy hates Hope but she loves Thomas and while she may be smug I don’t think she is trying to hurt him, all of the things Thomas said today were valid. And I am proud of him for prioritizing his well being.
No Steffy is trying to hurt Hope. She's manipulating Thomas to do it. What he said was valid but he wasn't really willing to hear Hope's side because Steffy already made up his mind for him.
Right Conversation, Wrong Mindset
Thope had the conversation they been needing to have today but Thomas walked in with absolutely the wrong mindset. He was convinced by his sister that he was 100% right and Hope was 100% wrong, that turning down his proposal was rejecting him, that she didn't love him enough to marry him ever. He came in already intending to break up instead of have a dialogue with Hope. If he'd had someone who really cared about him in his ear instead of Steffy, they would've told him that Hope loved him, to have this conversation with Hope and hear her out. If you've already got your mind made up that things are a certain way you're not listening to the person trying to talk to you.
But he was willing to hear her out. He asked her some very pointed questions. He asked if she would ever be able to love him the way he loves her. She had no answer. He asked whether they were building a foundation together. She said she didn’t want things between them to change. He said that was the thing…things do change and progress, and he doesn’t know if she could *ever* be ready to marry him. She had no answer to that. He said it hurts too much to go on feeling this way. I don’t think Brooke convincing him to continue to wait for her daughter to make up her mind would be healthy for him. He’s doing the right thing by getting out before he gets sucked into a bad place again.
What do you mean? It’s all evil Steffy.
Steffy hates Hope but she loves Thomas and while she may be smug I don’t think she is trying to hurt him, all of the things Thomas said today were valid. And I am proud of him for prioritizing his well being.
No Steffy is trying to hurt Hope. She's manipulating Thomas to do it. What he said was valid but he wasn't really willing to hear Hope's side because Steffy already made up his mind for him.
He's a grown a$$ man, not a child..making his own decisions. Steffy is all kinds of nasty, but she's not putting a gun to his head forcing him to leave.
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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.
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takerkid , 3/28/2024, 1:38AM (42 days ago) @hopeyougogirl
Thope had the conversation they been needing to have today but Thomas walked in with absolutely the wrong mindset. He was convinced by his sister that he was 100% right and Hope was 100% wrong, that turning down his proposal was rejecting him, that she didn't love him enough to marry him ever. He came in already intending to break up instead of have a dialogue with Hope. If he'd had someone who really cared about him in his ear instead of Steffy, they would've told him that Hope loved him, to have this conversation with Hope and hear her out. If you've already got your mind made up that things are a certain way you're not listening to the person trying to talk to you.
But he was willing to hear her out. He asked her some very pointed questions. He asked if she would ever be able to love him the way he loves her. She had no answer. He asked whether they were building a foundation together. She said she didn’t want things between them to change. He said that was the thing…things do change and progress, and he doesn’t know if she could *ever* be ready to marry him. She had no answer to that. He said it hurts too much to go on feeling this way. I don’t think Brooke convincing him to continue to wait for her daughter to make up her mind would be healthy for him. He’s doing the right thing by getting out before he gets sucked into a bad place again.
What do you mean? It’s all evil Steffy.
Steffy hates Hope but she loves Thomas and while she may be smug I don’t think she is trying to hurt him, all of the things Thomas said today were valid. And I am proud of him for prioritizing his well being.
No Steffy is trying to hurt Hope. She's manipulating Thomas to do it. What he said was valid but he wasn't really willing to hear Hope's side because Steffy already made up his mind for him.
He's a grown a$$ man, not a child..making his own decisions. Steffy is all kinds of nasty, but she's not putting a gun to his head forcing him to leave.
Nope, no guns but she did reinforce all of his incorrect beliefs about his relationship and Hope instead of setting him straight.
Thope had the conversation they been needing to have today but Thomas walked in with absolutely the wrong mindset. He was convinced by his sister that he was 100% right and Hope was 100% wrong, that turning down his proposal was rejecting him, that she didn't love him enough to marry him ever. He came in already intending to break up instead of have a dialogue with Hope. If he'd had someone who really cared about him in his ear instead of Steffy, they would've told him that Hope loved him, to have this conversation with Hope and hear her out. If you've already got your mind made up that things are a certain way you're not listening to the person trying to talk to you.
But he was willing to hear her out. He asked her some very pointed questions. He asked if she would ever be able to love him the way he loves her. She had no answer. He asked whether they were building a foundation together. She said she didn’t want things between them to change. He said that was the thing…things do change and progress, and he doesn’t know if she could *ever* be ready to marry him. She had no answer to that. He said it hurts too much to go on feeling this way. I don’t think Brooke convincing him to continue to wait for her daughter to make up her mind would be healthy for him. He’s doing the right thing by getting out before he gets sucked into a bad place again.
What do you mean? It’s all evil Steffy.
Steffy hates Hope but she loves Thomas and while she may be smug I don’t think she is trying to hurt him, all of the things Thomas said today were valid. And I am proud of him for prioritizing his well being.
No Steffy is trying to hurt Hope. She's manipulating Thomas to do it. What he said was valid but he wasn't really willing to hear Hope's side because Steffy already made up his mind for him.
He's a grown a$$ man, not a child..making his own decisions. Steffy is all kinds of nasty, but she's not putting a gun to his head forcing him to leave.
Nope, no guns but she did reinforce all of his incorrect beliefs about his relationship and Hope instead of setting him straight.
LOL
Hope had a chance to set it all straight but when he asked the questions, crickets!!!!!!!
Right Conversation, Wrong Mindset
Thope had the conversation they been needing to have today but Thomas walked in with absolutely the wrong mindset. He was convinced by his sister that he was 100% right and Hope was 100% wrong, that turning down his proposal was rejecting him, that she didn't love him enough to marry him ever. He came in already intending to break up instead of have a dialogue with Hope. If he'd had someone who really cared about him in his ear instead of Steffy, they would've told him that Hope loved him, to have this conversation with Hope and hear her out. If you've already got your mind made up that things are a certain way you're not listening to the person trying to talk to you.
But he was willing to hear her out. He asked her some very pointed questions. He asked if she would ever be able to love him the way he loves her. She had no answer. He asked whether they were building a foundation together. She said she didn’t want things between them to change. He said that was the thing…things do change and progress, and he doesn’t know if she could *ever* be ready to marry him. She had no answer to that. He said it hurts too much to go on feeling this way. I don’t think Brooke convincing him to continue to wait for her daughter to make up her mind would be healthy for him. He’s doing the right thing by getting out before he gets sucked into a bad place again.
What do you mean? It’s all evil Steffy.
Steffy hates Hope but she loves Thomas and while she may be smug I don’t think she is trying to hurt him, all of the things Thomas said today were valid. And I am proud of him for prioritizing his well being.
No Steffy is trying to hurt Hope. She's manipulating Thomas to do it. What he said was valid but he wasn't really willing to hear Hope's side because Steffy already made up his mind for him.
He's a grown a$$ man, not a child..making his own decisions. Steffy is all kinds of nasty, but she's not putting a gun to his head forcing him to leave.
Nope, no guns but she did reinforce all of his incorrect beliefs about his relationship and Hope instead of setting him straight.
Actually, I saw for the first time that Thomas seemed to see the light..he was clear minded yesterday and spoke the truth for the first time. I was shocked given that I hate him, but I agree with him when he told Hope that this whole time she never said ILY to him, then the first time she ever said it was when she's rejecting him..that was actually powerful that he understood her ILY was forced and insincere because she was cornered by his pushy final proposal. LOL.
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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.
Right Conversation, Wrong Mindset
takerkid , 3/28/2024, 1:15PM (41 days ago) @hopeyougogirl
Thope had the conversation they been needing to have today but Thomas walked in with absolutely the wrong mindset. He was convinced by his sister that he was 100% right and Hope was 100% wrong, that turning down his proposal was rejecting him, that she didn't love him enough to marry him ever. He came in already intending to break up instead of have a dialogue with Hope. If he'd had someone who really cared about him in his ear instead of Steffy, they would've told him that Hope loved him, to have this conversation with Hope and hear her out. If you've already got your mind made up that things are a certain way you're not listening to the person trying to talk to you.
But he was willing to hear her out. He asked her some very pointed questions. He asked if she would ever be able to love him the way he loves her. She had no answer. He asked whether they were building a foundation together. She said she didn’t want things between them to change. He said that was the thing…things do change and progress, and he doesn’t know if she could *ever* be ready to marry him. She had no answer to that. He said it hurts too much to go on feeling this way. I don’t think Brooke convincing him to continue to wait for her daughter to make up her mind would be healthy for him. He’s doing the right thing by getting out before he gets sucked into a bad place again.
What do you mean? It’s all evil Steffy.
Steffy hates Hope but she loves Thomas and while she may be smug I don’t think she is trying to hurt him, all of the things Thomas said today were valid. And I am proud of him for prioritizing his well being.
No Steffy is trying to hurt Hope. She's manipulating Thomas to do it. What he said was valid but he wasn't really willing to hear Hope's side because Steffy already made up his mind for him.
Hope had not side! LOL
He asked the questions. She said nothing!