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Liam said Hope fell of the pedestal (General)

Tiqui1999 @, 5/25/2023, 10:26PM (308 days ago)

The writers usually suck, but when he said Hope fell of that pedestal, it really incapsulated what's been going on in this story.

For the record, Thomas called it a riser, not a pedestal, so the word is deliberate.

She needs to fall off. I enjoyed her much more played by KM when she wasn't on it, and it reminds me of when Taylor fell off hers. I enjoyed her a lot better, too.

Liam said Hope fell of the pedestal

KKLBAB12, 5/25/2023, 10:39PM (308 days ago) @Tiqui1999

Liam has literally put her on a pedestal from the beginning. Hope isn't perfect and never has been. No one is. Hope was right about 1 thing today. Hope has put up with Steffy and Liam for years and years. And they DID sleep together and a paternity test was involved. Thope hasn't done anything. Hope is being indicted for something in her head. That's harsh Liam.
Liam better not push too hard. Or he may not like the outcome.

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Tiqui1999 @, 5/25/2023, 10:44PM (308 days ago) @KKLBAB12

Liam has literally put her on a pedestal from the beginning. Hope isn't perfect and never has been. No one is. Hope was right about 1 thing today. Hope has put up with Steffy and Liam for years and years. And they DID sleep together and a paternity test was involved. Thope hasn't done anything. Hope is being indicted for something in her head. That's harsh Liam.
Liam better not push too hard. Or he may not like the outcome.

Liam didn't put Hope on a pedestal. She was already there curtesy of her line and the morals of her line when he met her. He went along with the pedestal. She is the one who went on about being a virgin before marriage. He supported that until Steffy, so no. that's was Hope's pedestal that she built.

I wish someone would tell Hope that she doesn't have to walk around pretending to be perfect then.

Hope did not say she's had to put up with Steffy and Liam for years. Hope said he got to see his ex, but she couldn't work with her designer. That is not the same thing as what you wrote above.

No, "Thope" hasn't done anything. Hope has. No, it's not just in her head. She is actively seeking time with this man and letting him touch her.

Yeah, if Liam pushes "too hard" and she proves him right, I say bravo for getting the truth out of her, Liam.

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KKLBAB12, 5/25/2023, 10:52PM (308 days ago) @Tiqui1999- one person liked this

I'm just not liking the way either of them are handling this.
They aren't communicating. They aren't talking. It's a recipe for disaster. Now she's got Thomas in her head. It's like he's her personal brand of heroin and she's addicted to him now. She's got to satisfy herself not realizing the cost. As far as Liam goes, I will say I don't like him discussing anything about his marriage with Steffy. Steffy hates Hope deep down because of Brooke so anything she says has a drop of venom attached to it.
This must be between them now and on one else.

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Tiqui1999 @, 5/25/2023, 11:08PM (308 days ago) @KKLBAB12

I'm just not liking the way either of them are handling this.
They aren't communicating. They aren't talking. It's a recipe for disaster. Now she's got Thomas in her head. It's like he's her personal brand of heroin and she's addicted to him now. She's got to satisfy herself not realizing the cost. As far as Liam goes, I will say I don't like him discussing anything about his marriage with Steffy. Steffy hates Hope deep down because of Brooke so anything she says has a drop of venom attached to it.
This must be between them now and on one else.

But Hope told Steffy to convince Liam of Hope's view. And this episode, when Liam said Steffy had defended Thomas, Hope readily asked him to believe Steffy. I find it interesting that if Steffy says what Hope wants her to say, then it's fine for him to talk to Steffy but if not, then there's a problem with him talking to Steffy.

It's not going to be between them and no one else because Hope will run and tell Thomas. Thomas has been in the middle of Hope and Liam's relationship since MA came on the set, and Hope is wrong for that.

She told Liam today that she wasn't the teenager he'd met. Well, he's not the goofy IT guy she met either. They are now married, and she needs to stop acting like a teenager and be a mature wife.

She said she was a mother and a woman. She never said today that she was a "wife."

Hope is so wrong.

Liam said Hope fell of the pedestal

longtimerfan, 5/25/2023, 11:09PM (308 days ago) @KKLBAB12- one person liked this

Liam has literally put her on a pedestal from the beginning. Hope isn't perfect and never has been. No one is. Hope was right about 1 thing today. Hope has put up with Steffy and Liam for years and years. And they DID sleep together and a paternity test was involved. Thope hasn't done anything. Hope is being indicted for something in her head. That's harsh Liam.
Liam better not push too hard. Or he may not like the outcome.

Thope HAS done something. If Liam's mistakes with Steffy from years ago are still brought up by Hope, then Hope's mistakes with Thomas should be brought up as well. Hope annulled her marriage to Liam and married Thomas.She broke her vows for Thomas. She promised Liam to stay with him forever in her vows, and she still left him for Thomas. Hope also allowed Thomas to kiss 3 times while she was still married to Liam. Just because she lied about these 3 kisses and therefore Liam never found, doesn't mean they didn't happen. Thope kissed 3 times and covered it up. Yes, Hope got away with everything but it still happened. She cheated on Liam with Thomas in several different ways and got a pass.

Thope IS doing something today. A long-term emotional affair is as damaging as a regretful drunken ONS. She was leaning for a kiss twice in San Francisco and then in the plane after the massage. Thomas not taking advantage and the pilot interrupting Hope twice are the only reasons they haven't locked lips yet. And she is lying about her feelings while demanding honesty about Liam's for Steffy. This is something. And that's only for Thomas. If Hope wants to compare Thope to Steam, she might as well bring up ALL her past with Wyatt and Oliver. There were a lot of lies, cheating and heartbreak from Hope's part during these triangles. She slept with Wyatt and married him in Monaco before she broke up her engagement with Liam. If Hope is still allowed to bring up Liam and Steffy's past even for very old mistakes, then Hope's past should be held against her the same way.

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Tiqui1999 @, 5/25/2023, 11:11PM (308 days ago) @longtimerfan

Liam has literally put her on a pedestal from the beginning. Hope isn't perfect and never has been. No one is. Hope was right about 1 thing today. Hope has put up with Steffy and Liam for years and years. And they DID sleep together and a paternity test was involved. Thope hasn't done anything. Hope is being indicted for something in her head. That's harsh Liam.
Liam better not push too hard. Or he may not like the outcome.


Thope HAS done something. If Liam's mistakes with Steffy from years ago are still brought up by Hope, then Hope's mistakes with Thomas should be brought up as well. Hope annulled her marriage to Liam and married Thomas.She broke her vows for Thomas. She promised Liam to stay with him forever in her vows, and she still left him for Thomas. Hope also allowed Thomas to kiss 3 times while she was still married to Liam. Just because she lied about these 3 kisses and therefore Liam never found, doesn't mean they didn't happen. Thope kissed 3 times and covered it up. Yes, Hope got away with everything but it still happened. She cheated on Liam with Thomas in several different ways and got a pass.

Thope IS doing something today. A long-term emotional affair is as damaging as a regretful drunken ONS. She was leaning for a kiss twice in San Francisco and then in the plane after the massage. Thomas not taking advantage and the pilot interrupting Hope twice are the only reasons they haven't locked lips yet. And she is lying about her feelings while demanding honesty about Liam's for Steffy. This is something. And that's only for Thomas. If Hope wants to compare Thope to Steam, she might as well bring up ALL her past with Wyatt and Oliver. There were a lot of lies, cheating and heartbreak from Hope's part during these triangles. She slept with Wyatt and married him in Monaco before she broke up her engagement with Liam. If Hope is still allowed to bring up Liam and Steffy's past even for very old mistakes, then Hope's past should be held against her the same way.

I have to agree.

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cranberryboy, 5/26/2023, 9:28AM (308 days ago) @longtimerfan

Liam has literally put her on a pedestal from the beginning. Hope isn't perfect and never has been. No one is. Hope was right about 1 thing today. Hope has put up with Steffy and Liam for years and years. And they DID sleep together and a paternity test was involved. Thope hasn't done anything. Hope is being indicted for something in her head. That's harsh Liam.
Liam better not push too hard. Or he may not like the outcome.


Thope HAS done something. If Liam's mistakes with Steffy from years ago are still brought up by Hope, then Hope's mistakes with Thomas should be brought up as well. Hope annulled her marriage to Liam and married Thomas.She broke her vows for Thomas. She promised Liam to stay with him forever in her vows, and she still left him for Thomas. Hope also allowed Thomas to kiss 3 times while she was still married to Liam. Just because she lied about these 3 kisses and therefore Liam never found, doesn't mean they didn't happen. Thope kissed 3 times and covered it up. Yes, Hope got away with everything but it still happened. She cheated on Liam with Thomas in several different ways and got a pass.

Thope IS doing something today. A long-term emotional affair is as damaging as a regretful drunken ONS. She was leaning for a kiss twice in San Francisco and then in the plane after the massage. Thomas not taking advantage and the pilot interrupting Hope twice are the only reasons they haven't locked lips yet. And she is lying about her feelings while demanding honesty about Liam's for Steffy. This is something. And that's only for Thomas. If Hope wants to compare Thope to Steam, she might as well bring up ALL her past with Wyatt and Oliver. There were a lot of lies, cheating and heartbreak from Hope's part during these triangles. She slept with Wyatt and married him in Monaco before she broke up her engagement with Liam. If Hope is still allowed to bring up Liam and Steffy's past even for very old mistakes, then Hope's past should be held against her the same way.

Great post.

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CarolineSpencerForever, 5/25/2023, 10:50PM (308 days ago) @Tiqui1999

I see so many similarities too. Hope is Taylor. Liam is Ridge. Thomas is James. Taylor and Brooke were rebounds after Caroline died, but the reason why he stayed with Taylor for so long is because he thought she was perfect, honest, loyal with morals. He loved Brooke more but stayed with Taylor because he thought she'd never lie to him. Ridge put Taylor on a pedestal for years but when she fell, she fell hard. He didn't dump her because she cheated with James but because she lied and continued to judge Brooke at the same time. Her hypocrisy is what changed TRIDGE forever, they were never the same again after this reveal. He never saw Taylor the same way again, all his reunions with her were based on lies. Her halo disappeared forever. I foresee something similar for Hope. Liam always thought she had more morals than himself and Steffy and would never lie or cheat. Having feelings for someone he hates and lying to him about them will be the undoing of her marriage. She will fall of her pedestal hard, and he'll realize she is no better than Steffy, Brooke or anyone else.

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Tiqui1999 @, 5/25/2023, 11:14PM (308 days ago) @CarolineSpencerForever

I see so many similarities too. Hope is Taylor. Liam is Ridge. Thomas is James. Taylor and Brooke were rebounds after Caroline died, but the reason why he stayed with Taylor for so long is because he thought she was perfect, honest, loyal with morals. He loved Brooke more but stayed with Taylor because he thought she'd never lie to him. Ridge put Taylor on a pedestal for years but when she fell, she fell hard. He didn't dump her because she cheated with James but because she lied and continued to judge Brooke at the same time. Her hypocrisy is what changed TRIDGE forever, they were never the same again after this reveal. He never saw Taylor the same way again, all his reunions with her were based on lies. Her halo disappeared forever. I foresee something similar for Hope. Liam always thought she had more morals than himself and Steffy and would never lie or cheat. Having feelings for someone he hates and lying to him about them will be the undoing of her marriage. She will fall of her pedestal hard, and he'll realize she is no better than Steffy, Brooke or anyone else.

At first, I wasn't getting where you were going, but then I slowed down all my independent thoughts and read this. That's a pretty good comparison!

And like I said, after Taylor's fall back then, I liked her better.

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DC, 5/26/2023, 10:23AM (308 days ago) @CarolineSpencerForever

I see so many similarities too. Hope is Taylor. Liam is Ridge. Thomas is James. Taylor and Brooke were rebounds after Caroline died, but the reason why he stayed with Taylor for so long is because he thought she was perfect, honest, loyal with morals. He loved Brooke more but stayed with Taylor because he thought she'd never lie to him. Ridge put Taylor on a pedestal for years but when she fell, she fell hard. He didn't dump her because she cheated with James but because she lied and continued to judge Brooke at the same time. Her hypocrisy is what changed TRIDGE forever, they were never the same again after this reveal. He never saw Taylor the same way again, all his reunions with her were based on lies. Her halo disappeared forever. I foresee something similar for Hope. Liam always thought she had more morals than himself and Steffy and would never lie or cheat. Having feelings for someone he hates and lying to him about them will be the undoing of her marriage. She will fall of her pedestal hard, and he'll realize she is no better than Steffy, Brooke or anyone else.

"Taylor and Brooke were rebounds after Caroline died" After watching the B&B CLASSICS, I have to agree, Taylor and Brooke were rebounds, but the similarities of Hope and Taylor I will have to continue to watch, but your post is interesting.

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GLFan, 5/26/2023, 10:34AM (308 days ago) @CarolineSpencerForever

I see so many similarities too. Hope is Taylor. Liam is Ridge. Thomas is James. Taylor and Brooke were rebounds after Caroline died, but the reason why he stayed with Taylor for so long is because he thought she was perfect, honest, loyal with morals. He loved Brooke more but stayed with Taylor because he thought she'd never lie to him. Ridge put Taylor on a pedestal for years but when she fell, she fell hard. He didn't dump her because she cheated with James but because she lied and continued to judge Brooke at the same time. Her hypocrisy is what changed TRIDGE forever, they were never the same again after this reveal. He never saw Taylor the same way again, all his reunions with her were based on lies. Her halo disappeared forever. I foresee something similar for Hope. Liam always thought she had more morals than himself and Steffy and would never lie or cheat. Having feelings for someone he hates and lying to him about them will be the undoing of her marriage. She will fall of her pedestal hard, and he'll realize she is no better than Steffy, Brooke or anyone else.

Very interesting analogy. Makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for sharing!

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hopeyougogirl, 5/26/2023, 11:22AM (308 days ago) @CarolineSpencerForever- one person liked this

I see so many similarities too. Hope is Taylor. Liam is Ridge. Thomas is James. Taylor and Brooke were rebounds after Caroline died, but the reason why he stayed with Taylor for so long is because he thought she was perfect, honest, loyal with morals. He loved Brooke more but stayed with Taylor because he thought she'd never lie to him. Ridge put Taylor on a pedestal for years but when she fell, she fell hard. He didn't dump her because she cheated with James but because she lied and continued to judge Brooke at the same time. Her hypocrisy is what changed TRIDGE forever, they were never the same again after this reveal. He never saw Taylor the same way again, all his reunions with her were based on lies. Her halo disappeared forever. I foresee something similar for Hope. Liam always thought she had more morals than himself and Steffy and would never lie or cheat. Having feelings for someone he hates and lying to him about them will be the undoing of her marriage. She will fall of her pedestal hard, and he'll realize she is no better than Steffy, Brooke or anyone else.

Except, Hope is Liam's #1. Taylor ain't Ridge's #1. That's the biggest difference IMO. Hope and Liam will always find ways back to each other. Ridge and Taylor don't. LOL.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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Lizzy54 @, Austria, 5/26/2023, 11:40AM (308 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

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hopeyougogirl, 5/26/2023, 11:47AM (308 days ago) @Lizzy54

:cool :rules

And didn't Taylor bang James? I don't even think Hope would go that far with Thomas. Maybe just a kiss? All the major characters have done cheating kisses, surely Hope ain't the only one. LOL.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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GracieGirl, 5/25/2023, 11:17PM (308 days ago) @Tiqui1999

I don’t see this excitement others see between Thope. This story makes Hope look silly and naive. I have no problems with Lope breaking up, but this lying and gaslight Hope is doing is awful. This plot definitely worked on me. I went from defending Hope to not caring what happens to her.

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Tiqui1999 @, 5/25/2023, 11:24PM (308 days ago) @GracieGirl

I don’t see this excitement others see between Thope. This story makes Hope look silly and naive. I have no problems with Lope breaking up, but this lying and gaslight Hope is doing is awful. This plot definitely worked on me. I went from defending Hope to not caring what happens to her.

I agree. She fell off the pedestal and I'm not even looking to help her up. Don't care.

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cranberryboy, 5/26/2023, 9:32AM (308 days ago) @GracieGirl

I don’t see this excitement others see between Thope. This story makes Hope look silly and naive. I have no problems with Lope breaking up, but this lying and gaslight Hope is doing is awful. This plot definitely worked on me. I went from defending Hope to not caring what happens to her.

I hate them breaking up because they vowed to love each other and work through things. How are they working through things? Right now Hope is the problem and she needs to get her head on straight regarding Thomas.

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Barbybo, 5/26/2023, 12:41PM (308 days ago) @cranberryboy

I don’t see this excitement others see between Thope. This story makes Hope look silly and naive. I have no problems with Lope breaking up, but this lying and gaslight Hope is doing is awful. This plot definitely worked on me. I went from defending Hope to not caring what happens to her.


I hate them breaking up because they vowed to love each other and work through things. How are they working through things? Right now Hope is the problem and she needs to get her head on straight regarding Thomas.

She digs Tom no big deal…the heart wants Tom

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