Ally attacking Steffi scene (General)

Dee8, 5/16/2021, 10:51PM (32 days ago)

I just saw this and remembered that there was a huge debate a couple months back about what actually happened.

Thought some might be interested to see for themselves;-)

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xenalwless, 5/16/2021, 11:17PM (32 days ago) @Dee8

Anyone who watched that scene know that it's self defense .

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Barbybo, 5/17/2021, 7:08AM (32 days ago) @xenalwless

Anyone who watched that scene know that it's self defense .

Yea rewash it was debated to death

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Dee8, 5/17/2021, 11:52AM (32 days ago) @Barbybo

Yeah, now that there's proof. now it has switch to but, " why did she say anything?" lol

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Barbybo, 5/17/2021, 1:17PM (31 days ago) @Dee8- one person liked this

Yeah, now that there's proof. now it has switch to but, " why did she say anything?" lol

After the nut job was stalking her I guess she was in shock...

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SINNful, 5/17/2021, 1:29PM (31 days ago) @Barbybo

Yeah, now that there's proof. now it has switch to but, " why did she say anything?" lol


After the nut job was stalking her I guess she was in shock...

Nope. Hope isnt allowed to be in shock as an excuse, so Steffy cant use it either.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 1:33PM (31 days ago) @SINNful

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SINNful, 5/17/2021, 1:44PM (31 days ago) @xenalwless

Hope wasn't in shock

neither was Steffy. Just her way of getting out of trouble

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 1:57PM (31 days ago) @SINNful

Ally attempted at Steffy's life. I'm pretty sure she was shocked.Unlike Hope

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Dee8, 5/17/2021, 3:36PM (31 days ago) @SINNful- one person liked this

The origin of this post has nothing to do with hope vs steffy . I'm not understanding the connection

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SINNful, 5/17/2021, 5:09PM (31 days ago) @Dee8

The origin of this post has nothing to do with hope vs steffy . I'm not understanding the connection

Read through the whole thread. Connections everywhere

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Drangonfly @, 5/16/2021, 11:34PM (32 days ago) @Dee8- one person liked this

I just saw this and remembered that there was a huge debate a couple months back about what actually happened.

Thought some might be interested to see for themselves;-)

I believe it was self defense. But, why did she hide the weapon and then lie to the police?

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"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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hopeyougogirl, 5/16/2021, 11:49PM (32 days ago) @Drangonfly- one person liked this

I just saw this and remembered that there was a huge debate a couple months back about what actually happened.

Thought some might be interested to see for themselves;-)


I believe it was self defense. But, why did she hide the weapon and then lie to the police?

And lied to Thorne and the rest of the family too. :whistle If she ain't guilty, then why not simply tell the WHOLE truth including something like "I was defending myself and I hit her with the tire iron".

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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BBDownunder, 5/17/2021, 12:00AM (32 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

I just saw this and remembered that there was a huge debate a couple months back about what actually happened.

Thought some might be interested to see for themselves;-)


I believe it was self defense. But, why did she hide the weapon and then lie to the police?


And lied to Thorne and the rest of the family too. :whistle If she ain't guilty, then why not simply tell the WHOLE truth including something like "I was defending myself and I hit her with the tire iron".

cos she panicked maybe

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hopeyougogirl, 5/17/2021, 12:05AM (32 days ago) @BBDownunder

I just saw this and remembered that there was a huge debate a couple months back about what actually happened.

Thought some might be interested to see for themselves;-)


I believe it was self defense. But, why did she hide the weapon and then lie to the police?


And lied to Thorne and the rest of the family too. :whistle If she ain't guilty, then why not simply tell the WHOLE truth including something like "I was defending myself and I hit her with the tire iron".


cos she panicked maybe

She admitted she didn't handle well.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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Bhamgirl, 5/17/2021, 1:42PM (31 days ago) @BBDownunder

I just saw this and remembered that there was a huge debate a couple months back about what actually happened.

Thought some might be interested to see for themselves;-)


I believe it was self defense. But, why did she hide the weapon and then lie to the police?


And lied to Thorne and the rest of the family too. :whistle If she ain't guilty, then why not simply tell the WHOLE truth including something like "I was defending myself and I hit her with the tire iron".


cos she panicked maybe

And because of all the incidents that Alli caused and pretended they were Steffy's fault. Steffy had been blamed for several fake attacks by Alli and told to stay away from her.

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Barbybo, 5/17/2021, 7:09AM (32 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

I just saw this and remembered that there was a huge debate a couple months back about what actually happened.

Thought some might be interested to see for themselves;-)


I believe it was self defense. But, why did she hide the weapon and then lie to the police?


And lied to Thorne and the rest of the family too. :whistle If she ain't guilty, then why not simply tell the WHOLE truth including something like "I was defending myself and I hit her with the tire iron".

No one told thorne alley was bat crazy he never saw the target pictures in her room he was shielded so he wouldn’t think his daughter was nuts yet again, but at this point it’s old stuff rehashed anyway at this point .

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hopeyougogirl, 5/17/2021, 10:55AM (32 days ago) @Barbybo

I just saw this and remembered that there was a huge debate a couple months back about what actually happened.

Thought some might be interested to see for themselves;-)


I believe it was self defense. But, why did she hide the weapon and then lie to the police?


And lied to Thorne and the rest of the family too. :whistle If she ain't guilty, then why not simply tell the WHOLE truth including something like "I was defending myself and I hit her with the tire iron".


No one told thorne alley was bat crazy he never saw the target pictures in her room he was shielded so he wouldn’t think his daughter was nuts yet again, but at this point it’s old stuff rehashed anyway at this point .

The OP brought up the "old stuff", not this viewer. :neutral

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 7:19AM (32 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

She didn't hit her. The iron didn't touch her. What killed her was avoiding Steffy's blow falling on her head

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hopeyougogirl, 5/17/2021, 10:59AM (32 days ago) @xenalwless

She didn't hit her. The iron didn't touch her. What killed her was avoiding Steffy's blow falling on her head

I'm not changing my mind on what I saw.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 11:04AM (32 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

I don't know what you saw but it sure didn't happen.The video is clear

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hopeyougogirl, 5/17/2021, 11:08AM (32 days ago) @xenalwless

I don't know what you saw but it sure didn't happen.The video is clear

Yeah, the video is clear to me of what I saw..not debatable in my mind.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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Viola, 5/17/2021, 3:26PM (31 days ago) @xenalwless

I don't know what you saw but it sure didn't happen.The video is clear

If the iron wouldn't hit Ally then Steffy wouldn't feel the need to get rid if it. She feared IT will have Allys DNA on it.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 3:34PM (31 days ago) @Viola

Up to you. Not what was shown and again the autopsy would have shown 2 injuries.

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Dee8, 5/17/2021, 1:13AM (32 days ago) @Dee8

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ShirleyB#1, 5/17/2021, 2:48AM (32 days ago) @Dee8

bet Steffy wishes she hadn't drug her out of her car.

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MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, 5/19/2021, 5:45AM (30 days ago) @ShirleyB#1


bet Steffy wishes she hadn't drug her out of her car.

Just say no. :lol

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Barbybo, 5/17/2021, 9:10AM (32 days ago) @Dee8

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hopeyougogirl, 5/17/2021, 11:05AM (32 days ago) @Dee8

This doesn't show the WHOLE story/truth at all. What about when Steffy aggressively pulled Aly out of the car? If Aly fully intended to kill Steffy, she wouldn't have stopped her car at all. My opinion, of course.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 11:11AM (32 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

Just because for a minute Ally changed her mind, it doesn't mean that she wasn't trying to kill her and wouldn't change her mind again and try again. So of course Steffy pulled her out of the car so that she doesn't try again.Ally tried to kill Steffy and Steffy defended her life.That's what was shown

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hopeyougogirl, 5/17/2021, 11:13AM (32 days ago) @xenalwless

Just because for a minute Ally changed her mind, it doesn't mean that she wasn't trying to kill her and wouldn't change her mind again and try again. So of course Steffy pulled her out of the car so that she doesn't try again.Ally tried to kill Steffy and Steffy defended her life.That's what was shown

A victim doesn't aggressively pulled their attempted murderer out of a car lol..not where I'm from.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 11:25AM (32 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

Of course they do if they want to make sure that it doesn't happen again at the moment..What was Steffy supposed to do?Stay in the car and wait for Ally to break a window and try to kill her again?

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hopeyougogirl, 5/17/2021, 11:28AM (32 days ago) @xenalwless

Of course they do if they want to make sure that it doesn't happen again at the moment..What was Steffy supposed to do?Stay in the car and wait for Ally to break a window and try to kill her again?

I'll go with what Steffy herself said on screen..she mentioned she should have ran away instead.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 11:30AM (32 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

Sure.... with Ally following her to try to kill her.....It all goes back to the same;Steffy defended her life

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hopeyougogirl, 5/17/2021, 11:32AM (32 days ago) @xenalwless

Sure.... with Ally following her to try to kill her.....It all goes back to the same;Steffy defended her life

For once, I'm actually agreeing with what Steffy admitted/said on how she handled Aly. :-D

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 11:52AM (32 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

It doesn't change the fact that it was self defense.

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hopeyougogirl, 5/17/2021, 1:10PM (31 days ago) @xenalwless

It doesn't change the fact that it was self defense.

That’s fine. Not my assessment.

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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ShirleyB#1, 5/17/2021, 2:46AM (32 days ago) @Dee8

I just saw this and remembered that there was a huge debate a couple months back about what actually happened.

Thought some might be interested to see for themselves;-)

well, if you look at the rock, you can see half of Alys small hand. it didn;t cover the palm of her hand and she had small hands. so the rock wasn't all that big.

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BuckyBoy, 5/17/2021, 4:33AM (32 days ago) @Dee8- one person liked this

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Barbybo, 5/17/2021, 7:42AM (32 days ago) @BuckyBoy

I miss Aly so much... :cry

She was interesting ..;-)

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KatieFan32, 5/17/2021, 7:24AM (32 days ago) @Dee8

Ivy should of saved the day. She would of been a hero. But instead she sits in her car and records Steffy and Aly.

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Viola, 5/17/2021, 8:28AM (32 days ago) @Dee8- 2 people liked this

I just saw this and remembered that there was a huge debate a couple months back about what actually happened.

Thought some might be interested to see for themselves;-)

It's so conveniently cut so we don't see a part how Steffy throws the weapon away so the cops don't question her, but Hope is still getting the blame for Thomas and the empty vat. First of all Hope hoped that Thomas is alive. That's why she kept on texting him and waiting. When she realized that he is really dead she told Brooke that she will call herself in, but she is still bad... While Steffy lies since years and she is excused. If Hope is so bad then Steffy is a murderer going by that logic. :drunk Especially because she took out Ally of the car first.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 8:35AM (32 days ago) @Viola

Throwing the bat away doesn't change tje fact that Steffy was defending her life And had the bat actually hit Ally, the autopsy would have shown it, because Ally would have had 2 injuries,not just the one caused by the fall.

Hope and Brooke pushed Thomas who wasn't threatening either and weren't afraid of him, both admitted it.

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Viola, 5/17/2021, 8:48AM (32 days ago) @xenalwless- 2 people liked this
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Throwing the bat away doesn't change tje fact that Steffy was defending her life And had the bat actually hit Ally, the autopsy would have shown it, because Ally would have had 2 injuries,not just the one caused by the fall.

Hope and Brooke pushed Thomas who wasn't threatening either and weren't afraid of him, both admitted it.

Hope pushed Thomas away to avoid his kiss. I don't see what is the huge problem with it. He was being a creep and followed her. That is what the problem was. Plus, I speak about the fact that people wanted Hope to confess to the police about the empty vat right away... While Steffy can pretend that Ally fell on her own since years without never ever having intentions to tell the truth. We never saw Hope lying to the police like Steffy did. We saw Hope convincing Brooke that the truth has to be revealed. We didn't saw Steffy saying that the truth has to be revealed. She was super happy the moment she realized the only proof of her actions was gone. No tears, no guilt. We also never saw Steffy even attempting to reveal the truth to her own uncle... Ridge didn't have to stop her while Brooke had to lie to Ridge to protect Hope because she started revealing the truth the first time she saw him.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 8:54AM (32 days ago) @Viola

Thomas wasn't trying to force any kiss on Hope while Steffy was defending her life.

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Drangonfly @, 5/17/2021, 9:02AM (32 days ago) @xenalwless- one person liked this

Thomas wasn't trying to force any kiss on Hope while Steffy was defending her life.

Yes, he was. He stashed Douglas in a storage room because he wanted to have sex with Hope. Then he chased after her when she went to find Douglas, pinned her in a corner, and tried to kiss her.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 9:05AM (32 days ago) @Drangonfly

I disagree and Hope confessed that she wasn't scared of him at that moment

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ShirleyB#1, 5/17/2021, 10:15AM (32 days ago) @xenalwless

I disagree and Hope confessed that she wasn't scared of him at that moment

no, she wasn't afraid of him. she just didn't want his tongue all over her face.

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Viola, 5/17/2021, 9:23AM (32 days ago) @xenalwless

Thomas wasn't trying to force any kiss on Hope while Steffy was defending her life.

He did. The same man that threatened other peoples lives and kept Hope's child from her. The same one that abused his own son. Hope was and still is too nice for him. Throwing him to the vat is nothing compared to what Hope should do to him.

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Barbybo, 5/17/2021, 9:13AM (32 days ago) @Viola- one person liked this

Throwing the bat away doesn't change tje fact that Steffy was defending her life And had the bat actually hit Ally, the autopsy would have shown it, because Ally would have had 2 injuries,not just the one caused by the fall.

Hope and Brooke pushed Thomas who wasn't threatening either and weren't afraid of him, both admitted it.


Hope pushed Thomas away to avoid his kiss. I don't see what is the huge problem with it. He was being a creep and followed her. That is what the problem was. Plus, I speak about the fact that people wanted Hope to confess to the police about the empty vat right away... While Steffy can pretend that Ally fell on her own since years without never ever having intentions to tell the truth. We never saw Hope lying to the police like Steffy did. We saw Hope convincing Brooke that the truth has to be revealed. We didn't saw Steffy saying that the truth has to be revealed. She was super happy the moment she realized the only proof of her actions was gone. No tears, no guilt. We also never saw Steffy even attempting to reveal the truth to her own uncle... Ridge didn't have to stop her while Brooke had to lie to Ridge to protect Hope because she started revealing the truth the first time she saw him.

What would Steffy say uncle thorne your dead daughters a maniac check her closet?

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Riley, 5/17/2021, 9:28AM (32 days ago) @xenalwless

Just because Thomas didn't have a rock in his hand it doesn't mean Brooke and Hope weren't afraid and didn't feel threatened.

It's totally not true that Brooke ever said she wasn't afraid, only Hope later said that she wasn't in danger at the cliff house. But from Brooke's perspective it clearly looked like she was.
When Brooke arrived, she saw Hope yell at Thomas to leave her alone. And when she came between them, he was touching Brooke's back. We, the viewers, know that Thomas didn't mean to harm Brooke or Hope and was just trying to calm Brooke down. But Brooke had no way of knowing that, judging from Hope's yelling and Thomas' recent erratic behavior. So pushing him away from her was a natural reflex to defend herself and her daughter. The whole scene lasted barely 10 seconds, she didn't even have any time to think or to realize there was a possibility that Thomas might be falling off the cliff if she pushed him away from her. There was even a small fence at the edge of the cliff. The fact that a tall, strong man in his 30s even went over that fence after a simple push from an almost 60-year-old lightweight woman was already ridiculous writing.

And I don't remember Hope ever saying she wasn't afraid of Thomas at FC that night either. He was totally angry at her for refusing to kiss and make out with him after he signed the adoption papers and for running away to look for Douglas instead. When she pushed him away he had cornered her and was trying to kiss her again, when all she wanted was to find Douglas. A woman who doesn't want to be kissed or even touched by a man cornering her has every right to defend herself by pushing that man away. You don't have to fight for your life to have the right to defend yourself.

Neither Brooke's nor Hope's push was out of proportion the way they felt threatened by Thomas. Just like Steffy's use of the tire iron wasn't out of proportion the way she felt threatened by Aly.
And all three women made mistakes about the way they were handling the situation afterwards. So saying that Steffy was blameless, while Brooke and Hope weren't is ridiculous.

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Drangonfly @, 5/17/2021, 9:45AM (32 days ago) @Riley- one person liked this

Just because Thomas didn't have a rock in his hand it doesn't mean Brooke and Hope weren't afraid and didn't feel threatened.

It's totally not true that Brooke ever said she wasn't afraid, only Hope later said that she wasn't in danger at the cliff house. But from Brooke's perspective it clearly looked like she was.
When Brooke arrived, she saw Hope yell at Thomas to leave her alone. And when she came between them, he was touching Brooke's back. We, the viewers, know that Thomas didn't mean to harm Brooke or Hope and was just trying to calm Brooke down. But Brooke had no way of knowing that, judging from Hope's yelling and Thomas' recent erratic behavior. So pushing him away from her was a natural reflex to defend herself and her daughter. The whole scene lasted barely 10 seconds, she didn't even have any time to think or to realize there was a possibility that Thomas might be falling off the cliff if she pushed him away from her. There was even a small fence at the edge of the cliff. The fact that a tall, strong man in his 30s even went over that fence after a simple push from an almost 60-year-old lightweight woman was already ridiculous writing.

And I don't remember Hope ever saying she wasn't afraid of Thomas at FC that night either. He was totally angry at her for refusing to kiss and make out with him after he signed the adoption papers and for running away to look for Douglas instead. When she pushed him away he had cornered her and was trying to kiss her again, when all she wanted was to find Douglas. A woman who doesn't want to be kissed or even touched by a man cornering her has every right to defend herself by pushing that man away. You don't have to fight for your life to have the right to defend yourself.

Neither Brooke's nor Hope's push was out of proportion the way they felt threatened by Thomas. Just like Steffy's use of the tire iron wasn't out of proportion the way she felt threatened by Aly.
And all three women made mistakes about the way they were handling the situation afterwards. So saying that Steffy was blameless, while Brooke and Hope weren't is ridiculous.

Thank you. Every word of this is accurate.

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"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 9:54AM (32 days ago) @Riley- one person liked this
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Thomas's hands were up and he wasn't threatening anyone. They Both pushed him out of anger not fear , feeling of danger.Defend yourself means ypu're in danger of death, abuse,.rape,....Of course you have every right to defend yourself. But almost murdering someone out of anger not danger is not.

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SINNful, 5/17/2021, 10:07AM (32 days ago) @xenalwless

Thomas's hands were up and he wasn't threatening anyone. They Both pushed him out of anger not fear , feeling of danger.Defend yourself means ypu're in danger of death, abuse,.rape,....Of course you have every right to defend yourself. But almost murdering someone out of anger not danger is not.

Hope had just as much right to protect herself as Steffy did. Neither girl is a murderer.

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Viola, 5/17/2021, 10:44AM (32 days ago) @SINNful

Thomas's hands were up and he wasn't threatening anyone. They Both pushed him out of anger not fear , feeling of danger.Defend yourself means ypu're in danger of death, abuse,.rape,....Of course you have every right to defend yourself. But almost murdering someone out of anger not danger is not.

Brooke pushed him away because she was scared for her child. Thomas tried to kill Brooke's other child two times and he kept Beth from them and abused his own son. How can we say Brooke wasn't scared?

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 10:50AM (32 days ago) @Viola

No. Thomas never tried to kill Rick. He wanted to scare him.And Thomas's hands were up.Brooke had no excuse to push him over the cliff.It was just anger, not fear

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hopeyougogirl, 5/17/2021, 11:16AM (32 days ago) @SINNful

Thomas's hands were up and he wasn't threatening anyone. They Both pushed him out of anger not fear , feeling of danger.Defend yourself means ypu're in danger of death, abuse,.rape,....Of course you have every right to defend yourself. But almost murdering someone out of anger not danger is not.


Hope had just as much right to protect herself as Steffy did. Neither girl is a murderer.

Only Steffy is allowed to defend herself. Hope was actually cornered by sex thirst, creepy Thomas and she's suppose to let him do whatever he wants. :neutral

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Shown on screen, Steffy blackmailed Bill. Yet, she told Ivy (and Liam too) that “blackmail is a crime”. Per Steffy’s own words, she IS a criminal cuz she has blackmailed.

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Drangonfly @, 5/17/2021, 10:56AM (32 days ago) @xenalwless

Thomas's hands were up and he wasn't threatening anyone. They Both pushed him out of anger not fear , feeling of danger.Defend yourself means ypu're in danger of death, abuse,.rape,....Of course you have every right to defend yourself. But almost murdering someone out of anger not danger is not.

It wasn't out of anger. Brooke thought that Thomas was hurting Hope. Why wouldn't she? He had been stalking her for months and manipulating her and he was right up in her face.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 11:03AM (32 days ago) @Drangonfly

Not when she pushed him.She actually turned her back on him to talk to Hope, turned around saw him with his hands up and still pushed him

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Drangonfly @, 5/17/2021, 11:16AM (32 days ago) @xenalwless

Not when she pushed him.She actually turned her back on him to talk to Hope, turned around saw him with his hands up and still pushed him

So, you think Brooke was trying to murder Thomas? Gee, that would have been a big twist in the plot. Wonder why they dropped that. :neutral

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"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 11:27AM (32 days ago) @Drangonfly

Oh Brooke and lope get away with everything including attempt of murder.You bet that even in the Vinny's death, Bell will find someone to throw under the bus to save Liam.

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Drangonfly @, 5/17/2021, 11:49AM (32 days ago) @xenalwless
edited by Drangonfly, 5/17/2021, 11:52AM

Oh Brooke and lope get away with everything including attempt of murder.You bet that even in the Vinny's death, Bell will find someone to throw under the bus to save Liam.

Liam didn't murder Vinny. All he's done is keep a secret. Just like 99.99% of all the characters on this show have done.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 11:55AM (32 days ago) @Drangonfly

Really?So far all we know is that Liam hit Vinny with his car,Vinny who was very much alive and died right after the car crash.So far he did murder Vinny. Of course Bell is gonna throw someone else under the bus to save liam.The usual lope/brooke proping at everyone else's expenses

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Drangonfly @, 5/17/2021, 12:00PM (32 days ago) @xenalwless

Really?So far all we know is that Liam hit Vinny with his car,Vinny who was very much alive and died right after the car crash.So far he did murder Vinny. Of course Bell is gonna throw someone else under the bus to save liam.The usual lope/brooke proping at everyone else's expenses

No, we know that it was an accident. Bill covered it up because he thought a jury would think Liam had a motive.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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Viola, 5/17/2021, 8:01PM (31 days ago) @xenalwless

Not when she pushed him.She actually turned her back on him to talk to Hope, turned around saw him with his hands up and still pushed him

He refused to leave them alone. It was clear as day. Sorry. Even he himself called it obsession later on. :whistle

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Viola, 5/17/2021, 10:21AM (32 days ago) @Riley

The ironic thing is that even Thomas said that he understands why Brooke did it and he knew it was an accident. He still hates Brooke for being his dads first choice, but he never mentions the cliff.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 10:30AM (32 days ago) @Viola

Just like they have Steffy, Wyatt,.... still claim that liam is a good decent guy....just proping with no back up to this sh...t, or liam claiming that Hope never lies.....

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Viola, 5/17/2021, 10:45AM (32 days ago) @xenalwless

Just like they have Steffy, Wyatt,.... still claim that liam is a good decent guy....just proping with no back up to this sh...t, or liam claiming that Hope never lies.....

Everyone lies sometimes, but compared to Steffy and Thomas Liam and Hope almost never do :lol
Thomas and Steffy don't only lie. They lie for malicious reasons. They lie to benefit from it. To hurt others and to gain something from it... Plus they convince other to lie for them. Sometimes threaten others to lie for them too...

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 10:54AM (32 days ago) @Viola

No one lies more than Liam and Hope. They are the master manipulators who do whatever they want and play victim blaming others for their screw ups.Screw ups that are almost never acknowledged.And if by any miracle they are, they are always blamed on others, and lope are always playing poor blameless innocent victims.Steffy, Thomas and Bill, the so called liars and manipulators could learn about lying and manipulating and coming out of it smelling like a rose, from lope, the master manipulators

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ShirleyB#1, 5/17/2021, 10:11AM (32 days ago) @xenalwless

Throwing the bat away doesn't change tje fact that Steffy was defending her life And had the bat actually hit Ally, the autopsy would have shown it, because Ally would have had 2 injuries,not just the one caused by the fall.

Hope and Brooke pushed Thomas who wasn't threatening either and weren't afraid of him, both admitted it.

that bat is about as real as Steffy was defending herself from Aly. there was no bat involved.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 10:18AM (32 days ago) @ShirleyB#1

Steffy WAS defending her life.THAT IS VERY REAL.

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Barbybo, 5/17/2021, 1:10PM (31 days ago) @xenalwless- one person liked this

Steffy WAS defending her life.THAT IS VERY REAL.

I think we’re soppose to forget that:lol and the fact Allie was psycho babe:lol

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ShirleyB#1, 5/17/2021, 2:51PM (31 days ago) @xenalwless

Steffy WAS defending her life.THAT IS VERY REAL.

no it wasn't. nothing about the show is Real.

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 3:20PM (31 days ago) @ShirleyB#1- one person liked this

No kidding..I didn't know it was just fiction....:whistle

Seriously? Ally attacking Steffy was real and Steffy defending her life was real...there are no 2 ways about it.IT WAS SELF DEFENSE AND NOTHING ELSE

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ShirleyB#1, 5/17/2021, 6:38PM (31 days ago) @xenalwless

No kidding..I didn't know it was just fiction....:whistle

Seriously? Ally attacking Steffy was real and Steffy defending her life was real...there are no 2 ways about it.IT WAS SELF DEFENSE AND NOTHING ELSE

no it wasn't. Steffy was big enough to pull Aly out of the car. now she should be big enough to face the consequences of what she started.

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Dee8, 5/17/2021, 9:24PM (31 days ago) @xenalwless

Lol I would have thought the video would finally put that fact to rest.:neutral

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xenalwless, 5/17/2021, 11:32PM (31 days ago) @Dee8

You would ha?But for Steffy's haters, she should just do nothing and let Ally kill her.

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Dee8, 5/18/2021, 12:21AM (31 days ago) @xenalwless

Girl, Evidently different rules for different characters, regardless of what the facts are.

# Double standards for the your favorites, despite receipts :rules

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SINNful, 5/18/2021, 6:59AM (31 days ago) @Dee8

Girl, Evidently different rules for different characters, regardless of what the facts are.

# Double standards for the your favorites, despite receipts :rules

Absolutely!

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Drangonfly @, 5/18/2021, 9:53AM (31 days ago) @Dee8

Girl, Evidently different rules for different characters, regardless of what the facts are.

# Double standards for the your favorites, despite receipts :rules

Shouldn't that standard be applied to Brooke pushing Thomas over the cliff? She did it to get him away from Hope after months of him terrorizing her. And Hope pushing Thomas away when he had her cornered and was trying to force a kiss on her? She was just trying to get away from him. Yet, they're called murderers.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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Dee8, 5/18/2021, 12:52PM (31 days ago) @Drangonfly

Once again...I'm only dealing with the OP.
No deflection for me in theses parts/ # staying on track with the OP.
Less drama:dance4

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Drangonfly @, 5/18/2021, 12:56PM (31 days ago) @Dee8

Once again...I'm only dealing with the OP.
No deflection for me in theses parts/ # staying on track with the OP.
Less drama:dance4

Well, I'll just say that the double standard goes both ways. FTR, I don't think any of them, Hope, Brooke, or Steffy meant to hurt anyone. ;-)

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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Dee8, 5/18/2021, 1:53PM (30 days ago) @Drangonfly

There's no discussion about double standards in the original post. I for one would appreciate only talking about what I originally posted when I originate a post as opposed to deflecting R Trying to bash or find fault with another character.
Honestly, I'm having a hard time understanding the difficulty of just sticking with the post that's originated and not dragging in other things that don't relate to the orginal post.
We all have our opinions about different characters or what not but...
At a certain point it starts to feel purposeful and antagonizing.

JMO

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Drangonfly @, 5/18/2021, 2:14PM (30 days ago) @Dee8

There's no discussion about double standards in the original post. I for one would appreciate only talking about what I originally posted when I originate a post as opposed to deflecting R Trying to bash or find fault with another character.
Honestly, I'm having a hard time understanding the difficulty of just sticking with the post that's originated and not dragging in other things that don't relate to the orginal post.
We all have our opinions about different characters or what not but...
At a certain point it starts to feel purposeful and antagonizing.

JMO

So, if the term "double standard" is mentioned in the thread, no one can reply to it unless it's also in the OP?

Here's the post I responded to:


Girl, Evidently different rules for different characters, regardless of what the facts are.

# Double standards for the your favorites, despite receipts :rules


It was a direct reply to a post about double standards.

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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Dee8, 5/18/2021, 9:15PM (30 days ago) @Drangonfly

I'm speaking in general about what happens in post

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Drangonfly @, 5/18/2021, 9:55PM (30 days ago) @Dee8

I'm speaking in general about what happens in post

I hear you. The threads do get hijacked sometimes. It's tricky because Hope and Steffy's stories are intertwined. I've been here for a few years now and there are very, very few threads that stick to just what's in the OP. It's an exercise in futility. ;-)

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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Dee8, 5/19/2021, 12:06AM (30 days ago) @Drangonfly

I hope it gets better because I don't think anyone is going to convince someone who likes one more than the other of anything new, As relates to liking the less preferred character of Steffy or Hope, more.

For example I see the thread about the " hot hook up" with Liam and hope, there's no need for me to go in that thread to try to rain on lope fans parade by saying something negative, since that's not the point of why that thread was created.
That's just being an agitator, in my opinion

Now if the OP Stated, " What do you think of the love scene between lope?"
That's fair game lol... I'd have a lot to say
:lol

But I shouldn't jump in when people are obviously enjoying what the saw today, Simply to be contrary or to be snarky.:neutral
Let a fan group live, geez:ange

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Drangonfly @, 5/19/2021, 9:15AM (30 days ago) @Dee8

I hope it gets better because I don't think anyone is going to convince someone who likes one more than the other of anything new, As relates to liking the less preferred character of Steffy or Hope, more.

For example I see the thread about the " hot hook up" with Liam and hope, there's no need for me to go in that thread to try to rain on lope fans parade by saying something negative, since that's not the point of why that thread was created.
That's just being an agitator, in my opinion

Now if the OP Stated, " What do you think of the love scene between lope?"
That's fair game lol... I'd have a lot to say
:lol

But I shouldn't jump in when people are obviously enjoying what the saw today, Simply to be contrary or to be snarky.:neutral
Let a fan group live, geez:ange

I think that's a great strategy, and it would work if it was used for threads about all the characters and if everyone stuck to it. But, it doesn't work out that way, it seems. Maybe the way to go is, just post about the characters and if someone breaks the rules then report it? ;-)

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"I love you more than anything or anyone in the world. And I want you by my side for the rest of my life."

"You're the love of my life."

Liam to Hope. Debate over.

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Dee8, 5/19/2021, 10:42AM (30 days ago) @Drangonfly

I think it just takes everybody doing their part ;-)

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msbmorrow, 5/17/2021, 7:43PM (31 days ago) @Dee8

I just saw this and remembered that there was a huge debate a couple months back about what actually happened.

Thought some might be interested to see for themselves;-)

This story was soooo long ago!!!!
Why are we debating and digging up this stuff again????? It's been debated to death!!!!!
Hummm bash Steffy again post.

Sorry those that like and understand Steffy will not budge. They will not go quietly into the night.
We like our favorite just like you and nothing Steffy does that other may question will not change our minds.
But thanks for trying again and again and again and again!!!! :-D

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Dee8, 5/17/2021, 9:29PM (31 days ago) @msbmorrow

I'm confused, why is that directed to me? Lol

I posted it Because I recall ( not too longvago) there were folks claiming that Steffi wasn't in danger.... Clear away the video shows that she was and that it was self defense.

I'm not someone who is in denial about what actually happened on the show ( despite being a steffy fan) but I do understand that sometimes it helps to come with receipts:rules

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msbmorrow, 5/18/2021, 8:51AM (31 days ago) @Dee8

I'm confused, why is that directed to me? Lol

I posted it Because I recall ( not too longvago) there were folks claiming that Steffi wasn't in danger.... Clear away the video shows that she was and that it was self defense.

I'm not someone who is in denial about what actually happened on the show ( despite being a steffy fan) but I do understand that sometimes it helps to come with receipts:rules

I apologize for directing it towards you. Sometimes I truly believe those that hate a character see what they want even though it's shown differently and nothing will change their minds. Steffy didn't get away with murder and many know this and still will repeat it as if it is fact to aggravate. Ally really hated Steffy much like some viewers so they were sad to see Ally die and happy to blame Steffy.
I thank you for posting the video to prove what everyone knows to be true.

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BuckyBoy, 5/18/2021, 9:49AM (31 days ago) @msbmorrow

I'm confused, why is that directed to me? Lol

I posted it Because I recall ( not too longvago) there were folks claiming that Steffi wasn't in danger.... Clear away the video shows that she was and that it was self defense.

I'm not someone who is in denial about what actually happened on the show ( despite being a steffy fan) but I do understand that sometimes it helps to come with receipts:rules


I apologize for directing it towards you. Sometimes I truly believe those that hate a character see what they want even though it's shown differently and nothing will change their minds. Steffy didn't get away with murder and many know this and still will repeat it as if it is fact to aggravate. Ally really hated Steffy much like some viewers so they were sad to see Ally die and happy to blame Steffy.
I thank you for posting the video to prove what everyone knows to be true.

I was sad to see Aly die no matter what the circumstances or who the contributing characters were.

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Dee8, 5/18/2021, 12:49PM (31 days ago) @msbmorrow- one person liked this

ITA with your post.At first I thought it was Denial or not knowing the past eppie...
But now it does feel like it's to be contrary and disdain about popularity of a character...revisionist history is in full effect and steffy has been off screen for 2 months.
I can only imagine the hating on her her once Sinn returns:lol

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DC, 5/18/2021, 11:02AM (31 days ago) @Dee8

I just saw this and remembered that there was a huge debate a couple months back about what actually happened.

Thought some might be interested to see for themselves;-)

To bad how Bell destroyed most of the Forrester family or simply refuses to cast any of them.

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GracieGirl, 5/18/2021, 2:00PM (30 days ago) @Dee8- one person liked this

I’ll never ever believe it was “murhdah”! The sl was ridiculous. Aly was seeing demons and stalking people. Is Steffy impulsive? Yes.

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Dee8, 5/19/2021, 1:58AM (30 days ago) @GracieGirl

Agreed ;-)
Ally was out of her mind and Steffy should have been honest from the get go.
The cut out of her face in allys closet would have been enough for anyone to believe what happened to her.

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