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Drangonfly @, 11/20/2020, 8:40PM (12 days ago)- 3 people liked this[O]

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."

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Bold_Team70, 11/20/2020, 8:54PM (12 days ago) @Drangonfly

This tidbit is a subtitle at the top of the article, not in the daily spoilers.
The spoilers are : Liam and Steffy agree to disagree about Thoma being an imminent danger to Hope
The Mannequin comes to life for Thomas during a family dinner with Hope and Douglas.
Caught between reality and hallucination, Thomas makes a critical error.
Liam arrives to confront Thomas and instead witnesses a shocking moment.
Struggling and in disbelief, Liam breaks down while telling Steffy an unbelievable story.
Finn’s unexpected arrival brings a disoriented Thomas back to reality.

Think the rest is only speculation. But who knows.

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Drangonfly @, 11/20/2020, 9:08PM (12 days ago) @Bold_Team70

This tidbit is a subtitle at the top of the article, not in the daily spoilers.
The spoilers are : Liam and Steffy agree to disagree about Thoma being an imminent danger to Hope
The Mannequin comes to life for Thomas during a family dinner with Hope and Douglas.
Caught between reality and hallucination, Thomas makes a critical error.
Liam arrives to confront Thomas and instead witnesses a shocking moment.
Struggling and in disbelief, Liam breaks down while telling Steffy an unbelievable story.
Finn’s unexpected arrival brings a disoriented Thomas back to reality.

Think the rest is only speculation. But who knows.

Yeah, I think all the actual spoilers were posted here recently. This subtitle thing was new, I believe. ;-)

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Tiqui1999 @, 11/20/2020, 11:38PM (12 days ago) @Bold_Team70

This tidbit is a subtitle at the top of the article, not in the daily spoilers.
The spoilers are : Liam and Steffy agree to disagree about Thoma being an imminent danger to Hope
The Mannequin comes to life for Thomas during a family dinner with Hope and Douglas.
Caught between reality and hallucination, Thomas makes a critical error.
Liam arrives to confront Thomas and instead witnesses a shocking moment.
Struggling and in disbelief, Liam breaks down while telling Steffy an unbelievable story.
Finn’s unexpected arrival brings a disoriented Thomas back to reality.

Think the rest is only speculation. But who knows.

It also says Liam arrives to confront Thomas. So what happens to trigger that????

Sounds like Liam will get mad because Thomas is not allowed to do what Liam does with Kelly and steffy. He'll go confront him and see something.

That's liam's fault. As usual, barging in somewhere to make a "shocking" discovery.

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hopeyougogirl, 11/20/2020, 8:57PM (12 days ago) @Drangonfly

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."

There’s a reason why the doll has the same exact dress that Hope had on..it’s so Liam can see Tholl kissing and mistaken it’s the real Hope lol.

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Drangonfly @, 11/20/2020, 9:09PM (12 days ago) @hopeyougogirl- one person liked this

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."


There’s a reason why the doll has the same exact dress that Hope had on..it’s so Liam can see Tholl kissing and mistaken it’s the real Hope lol.

I believe you're right. I just knew Hope wouldn't cheat on Liam. :cool

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beachboy※, 11/20/2020, 9:20PM (12 days ago) @Drangonfly

That would be a big first for her. She has cheated during her first 3 marriages and cheaed on the 4 men she dated.

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hopeyougogirl, 11/20/2020, 9:44PM (12 days ago) @beachboy※- one person liked this

That would be a big first for her. She has cheated during her first 3 marriages and cheaed on the 4 men she dated.

A married Hope has never slept with another man. And who on this show hasn't had any cheating kisses? ALL of them..except Charlie/Pam.

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candycpw, 11/21/2020, 9:58AM (11 days ago) @beachboy※

That would be a big first for her. She has cheated during her first 3 marriages and cheaed on the 4 men she dated.

:cool

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candycpw, 11/21/2020, 9:34AM (11 days ago) @hopeyougogirl


There’s a reason why the doll has the same exact dress that Hope had on..it’s so Liam can see Tholl kissing and mistaken it’s the real Hope lol.

Hope and the doll don't have the same dress on. Hope is wearing that flowery curtain looking thing and it's definitely not white. The dummy has a white dress on. Nothing alike unless you've seen something I didn't. Is there some spoiler showing them wearing the same dress???

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Steffyfanatic, 11/21/2020, 11:36AM (11 days ago) @candycpw


There’s a reason why the doll has the same exact dress that Hope had on..it’s so Liam can see Tholl kissing and mistaken it’s the real Hope lol.


Hope and the doll don't have the same dress on. Hope is wearing that flowery curtain looking thing and it's definitely not white. The dummy has a white dress on. Nothing alike unless you've seen something I didn't. Is there some spoiler showing them wearing the same dress???

In the spoiler pic for next week, Mannequin Hope has on the same dress as Hope.

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beachboy※, 11/20/2020, 9:10PM (12 days ago) @Drangonfly- one person liked this

Thomas wanted to bring the doll back to FC. Dimwit Hope is the one who told him to keep it, and she insisted. She didn't blink when Liam warned her about the doll. If he mistakes her with the doll, that's just a direct consequence of her actions. She will deserve everything she gets. I have zero sympathy for that obnoxious twit.

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Drangonfly @, 11/20/2020, 9:46PM (12 days ago) @beachboy※

Thomas wanted to bring the doll back to FC. Dimwit Hope is the one who told him to keep it, and she insisted. She didn't blink when Liam warned her about the doll. If he mistakes her with the doll, that's just a direct consequence of her actions. She will deserve everything she gets. I have zero sympathy for that obnoxious twit.

I just hate it when the victim gets blamed for someone's horrific deeds. :frown

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beachboy※, 11/20/2020, 9:51PM (12 days ago) @Drangonfly- one person liked this

Victim? How did Hope react when Liam found the doll and told her. And who insisted Thomas keep the doll when he said he was going to bring it back to FC?

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Drangonfly @, 11/20/2020, 9:57PM (12 days ago) @beachboy※

Victim? How did Hope react when Liam found the doll and told her. And who insisted Thomas keep the doll when he said he was going to bring it back to FC?

How would Hope know that Thomas is suffering from mental disease? On the outside he's doing and saying all the right things. It seems that he's trying to better himself. She has no way of knowing what's going on on the inside. And she recently watched Liam overreact to Finn being Steffy's doctor so she most likely believes he's overreacting where Thomas is concerned too. Hope and Steffy both believe that Thomas has turned a corner.

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hopeyougogirl, 11/20/2020, 10:13PM (12 days ago) @beachboy※

Thomas wanted to bring the doll back to FC. Dimwit Hope is the one who told him to keep it, and she insisted. She didn't blink when Liam warned her about the doll. If he mistakes her with the doll, that's just a direct consequence of her actions. She will deserve everything she gets. I have zero sympathy for that obnoxious twit.

The only reason she told Thomas to keep the doll was because Thomas claimed that the doll gives him inspiration to work on his designs. And there's no way Hope or anyone else would have thought that Thomas would kiss a doll lol. Nobody on the show knows that Thomas has mental illness and hit his head twice now..none of them knows.

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Drangonfly @, 11/20/2020, 10:19PM (12 days ago) @hopeyougogirl- 2 people liked this

Thomas wanted to bring the doll back to FC. Dimwit Hope is the one who told him to keep it, and she insisted. She didn't blink when Liam warned her about the doll. If he mistakes her with the doll, that's just a direct consequence of her actions. She will deserve everything she gets. I have zero sympathy for that obnoxious twit.


The only reason she told Thomas to keep the doll was because Thomas claimed that the doll gives him inspiration to work on his designs. And there's no way Hope or anyone else would have thought that Thomas would kiss a doll lol. Nobody on the show knows that Thomas has mental illness and hit his head twice now..none of them knows.

If Hope kept Thomas from seeing Douglas, refused to work with him, or didn't give him any credit for working on himself, even though he appears to be, she would be called heartless. The only thing she's guilty of is being too nice, which has always been the case where the Forrester kids are concerned. Even after all the horrible things they did to her, she's still nice to them. :neutral

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tarantula, 11/21/2020, 2:52PM (11 days ago) @Drangonfly

Thomas wanted to bring the doll back to FC. Dimwit Hope is the one who told him to keep it, and she insisted. She didn't blink when Liam warned her about the doll. If he mistakes her with the doll, that's just a direct consequence of her actions. She will deserve everything she gets. I have zero sympathy for that obnoxious twit.


The only reason she told Thomas to keep the doll was because Thomas claimed that the doll gives him inspiration to work on his designs. And there's no way Hope or anyone else would have thought that Thomas would kiss a doll lol. Nobody on the show knows that Thomas has mental illness and hit his head twice now..none of them knows.


If Hope kept Thomas from seeing Douglas, refused to work with him, or didn't give him any credit for working on himself, even though he appears to be, she would be called heartless. The only thing she's guilty of is being too nice, which has always been the case where the Forrester kids are concerned. Even after all the horrible things they did to her, she's still nice to them. :neutral

Exactly, Steffy even said she would talk to Hope about cutting Thomas lack. Steffy and Ridge (if he would get his foot out of his butt) would be talking Hope into it. So I don't understand the backlash against Hope. There are no signs of her falling in love with Thomas.

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Drangonfly @, 11/22/2020, 8:31AM (10 days ago) @tarantula

Thomas wanted to bring the doll back to FC. Dimwit Hope is the one who told him to keep it, and she insisted. She didn't blink when Liam warned her about the doll. If he mistakes her with the doll, that's just a direct consequence of her actions. She will deserve everything she gets. I have zero sympathy for that obnoxious twit.


The only reason she told Thomas to keep the doll was because Thomas claimed that the doll gives him inspiration to work on his designs. And there's no way Hope or anyone else would have thought that Thomas would kiss a doll lol. Nobody on the show knows that Thomas has mental illness and hit his head twice now..none of them knows.


If Hope kept Thomas from seeing Douglas, refused to work with him, or didn't give him any credit for working on himself, even though he appears to be, she would be called heartless. The only thing she's guilty of is being too nice, which has always been the case where the Forrester kids are concerned. Even after all the horrible things they did to her, she's still nice to them. :neutral


Exactly, Steffy even said she would talk to Hope about cutting Thomas lack. Steffy and Ridge (if he would get his foot out of his butt) would be talking Hope into it. So I don't understand the backlash against Hope. There are no signs of her falling in love with Thomas.

None, whatsoever. She wants what's best for Douglas. Hope is basically being bashed for being a nice person.

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Tiqui1999 @, 11/23/2020, 4:31PM (9 days ago) @Drangonfly

Thomas wanted to bring the doll back to FC. Dimwit Hope is the one who told him to keep it, and she insisted. She didn't blink when Liam warned her about the doll. If he mistakes her with the doll, that's just a direct consequence of her actions. She will deserve everything she gets. I have zero sympathy for that obnoxious twit.


The only reason she told Thomas to keep the doll was because Thomas claimed that the doll gives him inspiration to work on his designs. And there's no way Hope or anyone else would have thought that Thomas would kiss a doll lol. Nobody on the show knows that Thomas has mental illness and hit his head twice now..none of them knows.


If Hope kept Thomas from seeing Douglas, refused to work with him, or didn't give him any credit for working on himself, even though he appears to be, she would be called heartless. The only thing she's guilty of is being too nice, which has always been the case where the Forrester kids are concerned. Even after all the horrible things they did to her, she's still nice to them. :neutral


Exactly, Steffy even said she would talk to Hope about cutting Thomas lack. Steffy and Ridge (if he would get his foot out of his butt) would be talking Hope into it. So I don't understand the backlash against Hope. There are no signs of her falling in love with Thomas.


None, whatsoever. She wants what's best for Douglas. Hope is basically being bashed for being a nice person.

Hope is in a hard position, and right now, Thomas hasn't done anything except take the mannequin. I feel like whatever goes on in his head is in his head, and as long as it doesn't come out, no one should police that, and he should be getting chances with his son. I don't think Liam has a right to deny Thomas of the same relationship with his child as Liam has with Kelly.

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Drangonfly @, 11/23/2020, 4:40PM (9 days ago) @Tiqui1999

Thomas wanted to bring the doll back to FC. Dimwit Hope is the one who told him to keep it, and she insisted. She didn't blink when Liam warned her about the doll. If he mistakes her with the doll, that's just a direct consequence of her actions. She will deserve everything she gets. I have zero sympathy for that obnoxious twit.


The only reason she told Thomas to keep the doll was because Thomas claimed that the doll gives him inspiration to work on his designs. And there's no way Hope or anyone else would have thought that Thomas would kiss a doll lol. Nobody on the show knows that Thomas has mental illness and hit his head twice now..none of them knows.


If Hope kept Thomas from seeing Douglas, refused to work with him, or didn't give him any credit for working on himself, even though he appears to be, she would be called heartless. The only thing she's guilty of is being too nice, which has always been the case where the Forrester kids are concerned. Even after all the horrible things they did to her, she's still nice to them. :neutral


Exactly, Steffy even said she would talk to Hope about cutting Thomas lack. Steffy and Ridge (if he would get his foot out of his butt) would be talking Hope into it. So I don't understand the backlash against Hope. There are no signs of her falling in love with Thomas.


None, whatsoever. She wants what's best for Douglas. Hope is basically being bashed for being a nice person.


Hope is in a hard position, and right now, Thomas hasn't done anything except take the mannequin. I feel like whatever goes on in his head is in his head, and as long as it doesn't come out, no one should police that, and he should be getting chances with his son. I don't think Liam has a right to deny Thomas of the same relationship with his child as Liam has with Kelly.

That's the thing. None of the mannequin obsession stuff is on the outside. Today he had that little outburst, but he explained it away. I guess Hope is supposed to have ESPN or something.

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Tiqui1999 @, 11/23/2020, 4:57PM (9 days ago) @Drangonfly


Hope is in a hard position, and right now, Thomas hasn't done anything except take the mannequin. I feel like whatever goes on in his head is in his head, and as long as it doesn't come out, no one should police that, and he should be getting chances with his son. I don't think Liam has a right to deny Thomas of the same relationship with his child as Liam has with Kelly.


That's the thing. None of the mannequin obsession stuff is on the outside. Today he had that little outburst, but he explained it away. I guess Hope is supposed to have ESPN or something.

I agree. A step further, I feel that people have dark thoughts in their minds, but then they dismiss them. Some people are obesessed with people, but they control it. Some people even get blowup sex dolls that look like celebrities! So, this is the fine line I'm seeing here as long as whatever Thomas thinks stays in his head.

For example, if a rapist goes to work and looks at his coworker EVERYDAY and thinks about raping her -- but he doesn't do it -- what is anybody supposed to do about that? They can't do anything because they don't know. Hope I'm making sense.

You are right. He did slip up today. He might get caught doing something soon, but I'm thinking it's because he's mentally ill right now. I think, so far, that he really wants to fight this and be over Hope. Something's just wrong with him.

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Drangonfly @, 11/23/2020, 5:02PM (9 days ago) @Tiqui1999


Hope is in a hard position, and right now, Thomas hasn't done anything except take the mannequin. I feel like whatever goes on in his head is in his head, and as long as it doesn't come out, no one should police that, and he should be getting chances with his son. I don't think Liam has a right to deny Thomas of the same relationship with his child as Liam has with Kelly.


That's the thing. None of the mannequin obsession stuff is on the outside. Today he had that little outburst, but he explained it away. I guess Hope is supposed to have ESPN or something.


I agree. A step further, I feel that people have dark thoughts in their minds, but then they dismiss them. Some people are obesessed with people, but they control it. Some people even get blowup sex dolls that look like celebrities! So, this is the fine line I'm seeing here as long as whatever Thomas thinks stays in his head.

For example, if a rapist goes to work and looks at his coworker EVERYDAY and thinks about raping her -- but he doesn't do it -- what is anybody supposed to do about that? They can't do anything because they don't know. Hope I'm making sense.

You are right. He did slip up today. He might get caught doing something soon, but I'm thinking it's because he's mentally ill right now. I think, so far, that he really wants to fight this and be over Hope. Something's just wrong with him.

Yeah, and I'm sure this is all part of Bell's plan of redeeming Thomas. I don't think I can ever forget all the horrible things he did though, when there was no mental illness to explain it away. But as far as this current story goes, Thomas isn't showing any outward signs that he's still obsessed with Hope. All Liam has to go on is Thomas's past behavior, and to be fair, I don't blame him for not trusting that he has changed. It's pretty complex, this situation they're in.

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Tiqui1999 @, 11/23/2020, 5:05PM (9 days ago) @Drangonfly


Hope is in a hard position, and right now, Thomas hasn't done anything except take the mannequin. I feel like whatever goes on in his head is in his head, and as long as it doesn't come out, no one should police that, and he should be getting chances with his son. I don't think Liam has a right to deny Thomas of the same relationship with his child as Liam has with Kelly.


That's the thing. None of the mannequin obsession stuff is on the outside. Today he had that little outburst, but he explained it away. I guess Hope is supposed to have ESPN or something.


I agree. A step further, I feel that people have dark thoughts in their minds, but then they dismiss them. Some people are obesessed with people, but they control it. Some people even get blowup sex dolls that look like celebrities! So, this is the fine line I'm seeing here as long as whatever Thomas thinks stays in his head.

For example, if a rapist goes to work and looks at his coworker EVERYDAY and thinks about raping her -- but he doesn't do it -- what is anybody supposed to do about that? They can't do anything because they don't know. Hope I'm making sense.

You are right. He did slip up today. He might get caught doing something soon, but I'm thinking it's because he's mentally ill right now. I think, so far, that he really wants to fight this and be over Hope. Something's just wrong with him.


Yeah, and I'm sure this is all part of Bell's plan of redeeming Thomas. I don't think I can ever forget all the horrible things he did though, when there was no mental illness to explain it away. But as far as this current story goes, Thomas isn't showing any outward signs that he's still obsessed with Hope. All Liam has to go on is Thomas's past behavior, and to be fair, I don't blame him for not trusting that he has changed. It's pretty complex, this situation they're in.

Yeah, but there's a difference in being leery and being unwilling. I started a thread to discuss it a few moments ago. Liam is just unwilling, and that's no good for Douglas. He knew this was going to happen as long as he helped raise Douglas.

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Drangonfly @, 11/23/2020, 5:12PM (9 days ago) @Tiqui1999


Hope is in a hard position, and right now, Thomas hasn't done anything except take the mannequin. I feel like whatever goes on in his head is in his head, and as long as it doesn't come out, no one should police that, and he should be getting chances with his son. I don't think Liam has a right to deny Thomas of the same relationship with his child as Liam has with Kelly.


That's the thing. None of the mannequin obsession stuff is on the outside. Today he had that little outburst, but he explained it away. I guess Hope is supposed to have ESPN or something.


I agree. A step further, I feel that people have dark thoughts in their minds, but then they dismiss them. Some people are obesessed with people, but they control it. Some people even get blowup sex dolls that look like celebrities! So, this is the fine line I'm seeing here as long as whatever Thomas thinks stays in his head.

For example, if a rapist goes to work and looks at his coworker EVERYDAY and thinks about raping her -- but he doesn't do it -- what is anybody supposed to do about that? They can't do anything because they don't know. Hope I'm making sense.

You are right. He did slip up today. He might get caught doing something soon, but I'm thinking it's because he's mentally ill right now. I think, so far, that he really wants to fight this and be over Hope. Something's just wrong with him.


Yeah, and I'm sure this is all part of Bell's plan of redeeming Thomas. I don't think I can ever forget all the horrible things he did though, when there was no mental illness to explain it away. But as far as this current story goes, Thomas isn't showing any outward signs that he's still obsessed with Hope. All Liam has to go on is Thomas's past behavior, and to be fair, I don't blame him for not trusting that he has changed. It's pretty complex, this situation they're in.


Yeah, but there's a difference in being leery and being unwilling. I started a thread to discuss it a few moments ago. Liam is just unwilling, and that's no good for Douglas. He knew this was going to happen as long as he helped raise Douglas.

He does seem unwilling to even consider that Thomas is working on himself. But there is a lot of history there and Liam and his family were the victim of a lot of it so I can see where he's coming from. And finding the mannequin in Thomas's apartment made his radar go off even more. He does need to allow Thomas and Douglas to have a relationship, though, for sure.

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churro79, 11/24/2020, 6:01AM (8 days ago) @Tiqui1999

Hope is in a hard position, and right now, Thomas hasn't done anything except take the mannequin. I feel like whatever goes on in his head is in his head, and as long as it doesn't come out, no one should police that, and he should be getting chances with his son. I don't think Liam has a right to deny Thomas of the same relationship with his child as Liam has with Kelly.

Please - Hope put herself in this position when she chased Thomas for custody of Douglas. She also put herself in this position when she is choosing to turn a blind eye to the red flags about the Thomas AGAIN. The mannequin and the lies about it are enough red flags. Thomas needs serious therapy first before being anywhere near Douglas.

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churro79, 11/22/2020, 8:39PM (10 days ago) @Drangonfly

Thomas wanted to bring the doll back to FC. Dimwit Hope is the one who told him to keep it, and she insisted. She didn't blink when Liam warned her about the doll. If he mistakes her with the doll, that's just a direct consequence of her actions. She will deserve everything she gets. I have zero sympathy for that obnoxious twit.


The only reason she told Thomas to keep the doll was because Thomas claimed that the doll gives him inspiration to work on his designs. And there's no way Hope or anyone else would have thought that Thomas would kiss a doll lol. Nobody on the show knows that Thomas has mental illness and hit his head twice now..none of them knows.


If Hope kept Thomas from seeing Douglas, refused to work with him, or didn't give him any credit for working on himself, even though he appears to be, she would be called heartless. The only thing she's guilty of is being too nice, which has always been the case where the Forrester kids are concerned. Even after all the horrible things they did to her, she's still nice to them. :neutral

Hope is working with Thomas because his designs benefit her line. Nothing to do with being nice. It's a business decision.

As for letting him see Douglas, Hope shouldn't even be controlling on when Thomas gets to see Douglas in the first place. She got that role through manipulations.

As for Steffy, she is 'nice' to her because she has Liam. I saw her true nasty colours when Steffy was with Liam.

She is not nice to Liam either. She disrespects him every time she spends time with Thomas outside of working hours.

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Drangonfly @, 11/22/2020, 9:48PM (10 days ago) @churro79- one person liked this

Thomas wanted to bring the doll back to FC. Dimwit Hope is the one who told him to keep it, and she insisted. She didn't blink when Liam warned her about the doll. If he mistakes her with the doll, that's just a direct consequence of her actions. She will deserve everything she gets. I have zero sympathy for that obnoxious twit.


The only reason she told Thomas to keep the doll was because Thomas claimed that the doll gives him inspiration to work on his designs. And there's no way Hope or anyone else would have thought that Thomas would kiss a doll lol. Nobody on the show knows that Thomas has mental illness and hit his head twice now..none of them knows.


If Hope kept Thomas from seeing Douglas, refused to work with him, or didn't give him any credit for working on himself, even though he appears to be, she would be called heartless. The only thing she's guilty of is being too nice, which has always been the case where the Forrester kids are concerned. Even after all the horrible things they did to her, she's still nice to them. :neutral


Hope is working with Thomas because his designs benefit her line. Nothing to do with being nice. It's a business decision.

As for letting him see Douglas, Hope shouldn't even be controlling on when Thomas gets to see Douglas in the first place. She got that role through manipulations.

As for Steffy, she is 'nice' to her because she has Liam. I saw her true nasty colours when Steffy was with Liam.

She is not nice to Liam either. She disrespects him every time she spends time with Thomas outside of working hours.

She doesn't have to make him a designer for her line, though. Steffy even commented on how happy she was that Hope gave him a chance. Hope wants Thomas to be better so he can be a better father to Douglas.

Thomas wants Hope to be Douglas's mother. No one, not even anyone in the Forrester family is unhappy that Hope and Liam are raising Douglas.

Hope isn't disrespecting Liam. She's co-parenting Douglas with Thomas, just like Liam is co-parenting Kelly with Steffy.

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churro79, 11/22/2020, 11:34PM (10 days ago) @Drangonfly
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Thomas wanted to bring the doll back to FC. Dimwit Hope is the one who told him to keep it, and she insisted. She didn't blink when Liam warned her about the doll. If he mistakes her with the doll, that's just a direct consequence of her actions. She will deserve everything she gets. I have zero sympathy for that obnoxious twit.


The only reason she told Thomas to keep the doll was because Thomas claimed that the doll gives him inspiration to work on his designs. And there's no way Hope or anyone else would have thought that Thomas would kiss a doll lol. Nobody on the show knows that Thomas has mental illness and hit his head twice now..none of them knows.


If Hope kept Thomas from seeing Douglas, refused to work with him, or didn't give him any credit for working on himself, even though he appears to be, she would be called heartless. The only thing she's guilty of is being too nice, which has always been the case where the Forrester kids are concerned. Even after all the horrible things they did to her, she's still nice to them. :neutral


Hope is working with Thomas because his designs benefit her line. Nothing to do with being nice. It's a business decision.

As for letting him see Douglas, Hope shouldn't even be controlling on when Thomas gets to see Douglas in the first place. She got that role through manipulations.

As for Steffy, she is 'nice' to her because she has Liam. I saw her true nasty colours when Steffy was with Liam.

She is not nice to Liam either. She disrespects him every time she spends time with Thomas outside of working hours.


She doesn't have to make him a designer for her line, though. Steffy even commented on how happy she was that Hope gave him a chance. Hope wants Thomas to be better so he can be a better father to Douglas.

Thomas wants Hope to be Douglas's mother. No one, not even anyone in the Forrester family is unhappy that Hope and Liam are raising Douglas.

Hope isn't disrespecting Liam. She's co-parenting Douglas with Thomas, just like Liam is co-parenting Kelly with Steffy.

But she has because the designs benefit her line.

Thomas didn't even want Hope to be Douglas's mother without being married. It looks like it still bothers him because he still wants Hope.

You keep forgetting that Ridge was unhappy with Hope getting custody of Douglas. He tried when he asked Carter whether it can be fixed. When Thomas was engaged to Zoe, Ridge talked about the issue. After the failed Zomas wedding, Ridge didn't talk about it much because of the Ridge-Shauna-Quinn-Brooke storyline.

Steffy raised the issue when she was under the influence of drugs a couple of months ago. And they were all right as it is causing problems. Even Douglas is missing his daddy and wants to live with him! The Forresters can't do anything about it anyway because it's too late.

She is disrespecting Liam because she defends Thomas and ignores all the red flags about Thomas. She disrespected Liam on Friday's episode when she was supposed to just drop off Douglas but she stayed and looks like she will have dinner with Thomas and Douglas in upcoming episodes.

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kizilay, 11/23/2020, 12:13AM (9 days ago) @churro79

Thomas wanted to bring the doll back to FC. Dimwit Hope is the one who told him to keep it, and she insisted. She didn't blink when Liam warned her about the doll. If he mistakes her with the doll, that's just a direct consequence of her actions. She will deserve everything she gets. I have zero sympathy for that obnoxious twit.


The only reason she told Thomas to keep the doll was because Thomas claimed that the doll gives him inspiration to work on his designs. And there's no way Hope or anyone else would have thought that Thomas would kiss a doll lol. Nobody on the show knows that Thomas has mental illness and hit his head twice now..none of them knows.


If Hope kept Thomas from seeing Douglas, refused to work with him, or didn't give him any credit for working on himself, even though he appears to be, she would be called heartless. The only thing she's guilty of is being too nice, which has always been the case where the Forrester kids are concerned. Even after all the horrible things they did to her, she's still nice to them. :neutral


Hope is working with Thomas because his designs benefit her line. Nothing to do with being nice. It's a business decision.

As for letting him see Douglas, Hope shouldn't even be controlling on when Thomas gets to see Douglas in the first place. She got that role through manipulations.

As for Steffy, she is 'nice' to her because she has Liam. I saw her true nasty colours when Steffy was with Liam.

She is not nice to Liam either. She disrespects him every time she spends time with Thomas outside of working hours.


She doesn't have to make him a designer for her line, though. Steffy even commented on how happy she was that Hope gave him a chance. Hope wants Thomas to be better so he can be a better father to Douglas.

Thomas wants Hope to be Douglas's mother. No one, not even anyone in the Forrester family is unhappy that Hope and Liam are raising Douglas.

Hope isn't disrespecting Liam. She's co-parenting Douglas with Thomas, just like Liam is co-parenting Kelly with Steffy.


But she has because the designs benefit her line.

Thomas didn't even want Hope to be Douglas's mother without being married. It looks like it still bothers him because he still wants Hope.

You keep forgetting that Ridge was unhappy with Hope getting custody of Douglas. He tried when he asked Carter whether it can be fixed. When Thomas was engaged to Zoe, Ridge talked about the issue. After the failed Zomas wedding, Ridge didn't talk about it much because of the Ridge-Shauna-Quinn-Brooke storyline.

Steffy raised the issue when she was under the influence of drugs a couple of months ago. And they were all right as it is causing problems. Even Douglas is missing his daddy and wants to live with him! The Forresters can't do anything about it anyway because it's too late.

She is disrespecting Liam because she defends Thomas and ignores all the red flags about Thomas. She disrespected Liam on Friday's episode when she was supposed to just drop off Douglas but she stayed and looks like she will have dinner with Thomas and Douglas in upcoming episodes.

Yes, this. The issue isn't much Hope staying at Thomas' and having dinner with him, it's more the fact that she lied to Liam about it. She told him she was dropping off Douglas, that's it. Liam on the other hand always tells Hope when he spends time at Steffy's. A while ago, he told her it was daddy time for him and Kelly and last week, he asked her if he could stay and have a party with them. He isn't keeping his visits secrets. Hope also didn't tell him she intended to rehire Thomas. She knew how Liam felt about it, but she still rehired him anyway, and without talking to him. Just like when she adopted Douglas. She made another decision with Thomas behind his back and only told him the truth after the decision was made.

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Drangonfly @, 11/23/2020, 7:22AM (9 days ago) @churro79

Thomas wanted to bring the doll back to FC. Dimwit Hope is the one who told him to keep it, and she insisted. She didn't blink when Liam warned her about the doll. If he mistakes her with the doll, that's just a direct consequence of her actions. She will deserve everything she gets. I have zero sympathy for that obnoxious twit.


The only reason she told Thomas to keep the doll was because Thomas claimed that the doll gives him inspiration to work on his designs. And there's no way Hope or anyone else would have thought that Thomas would kiss a doll lol. Nobody on the show knows that Thomas has mental illness and hit his head twice now..none of them knows.


If Hope kept Thomas from seeing Douglas, refused to work with him, or didn't give him any credit for working on himself, even though he appears to be, she would be called heartless. The only thing she's guilty of is being too nice, which has always been the case where the Forrester kids are concerned. Even after all the horrible things they did to her, she's still nice to them. :neutral


Hope is working with Thomas because his designs benefit her line. Nothing to do with being nice. It's a business decision.

As for letting him see Douglas, Hope shouldn't even be controlling on when Thomas gets to see Douglas in the first place. She got that role through manipulations.

As for Steffy, she is 'nice' to her because she has Liam. I saw her true nasty colours when Steffy was with Liam.

She is not nice to Liam either. She disrespects him every time she spends time with Thomas outside of working hours.


She doesn't have to make him a designer for her line, though. Steffy even commented on how happy she was that Hope gave him a chance. Hope wants Thomas to be better so he can be a better father to Douglas.

Thomas wants Hope to be Douglas's mother. No one, not even anyone in the Forrester family is unhappy that Hope and Liam are raising Douglas.

Hope isn't disrespecting Liam. She's co-parenting Douglas with Thomas, just like Liam is co-parenting Kelly with Steffy.


But she has because the designs benefit her line.

Thomas didn't even want Hope to be Douglas's mother without being married. It looks like it still bothers him because he still wants Hope.

You keep forgetting that Ridge was unhappy with Hope getting custody of Douglas. He tried when he asked Carter whether it can be fixed. When Thomas was engaged to Zoe, Ridge talked about the issue. After the failed Zomas wedding, Ridge didn't talk about it much because of the Ridge-Shauna-Quinn-Brooke storyline.

Steffy raised the issue when she was under the influence of drugs a couple of months ago. And they were all right as it is causing problems. Even Douglas is missing his daddy and wants to live with him! The Forresters can't do anything about it anyway because it's too late.

She is disrespecting Liam because she defends Thomas and ignores all the red flags about Thomas. She disrespected Liam on Friday's episode when she was supposed to just drop off Douglas but she stayed and looks like she will have dinner with Thomas and Douglas in upcoming episodes.

The Forresters were against Hope being Douglas's mom back then, but they're not now. They're all okay with it now. They all seem to be happy with the arrangement and Douglas is thriving.

Hope having dinner with Thomas is no different than Liam having dinner with Steffy.

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churro79, 11/23/2020, 7:31AM (9 days ago) @Drangonfly

The Forresters were against Hope being Douglas's mom back then, but they're not now. They're all okay with it now. They all seem to be happy with the arrangement and Douglas is thriving.

Silence doesn't mean approval. I don't know why we're talking about how other characters feel about it. On this show, everyone gets away with doing wrong things! Especially Hope. It doesn't make what they did any less wrong!


Hope having dinner with Thomas is no different than Liam having dinner with Steffy.

As kiskilay pointed out, at least Liam communicates with Hope about his plans with Steffy and asks whether it is ok with Hope. Hope doesn't even tell Liam.

And it is different. Steffy isn't after Liam anymore. Thomas is after Hope.

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Drangonfly @, 11/23/2020, 7:53AM (9 days ago) @churro79

The Forresters were against Hope being Douglas's mom back then, but they're not now. They're all okay with it now. They all seem to be happy with the arrangement and Douglas is thriving.


Silence doesn't mean approval. I don't know why we're talking about how other characters feel about it. On this show, everyone gets away with doing wrong things! Especially Hope. It doesn't make what they did any less wrong!


Hope having dinner with Thomas is no different than Liam having dinner with Steffy.


As kiskilay pointed out, at least Liam communicates with Hope about his plans with Steffy and asks whether it is ok with Hope. Hope doesn't even tell Liam.

And it is different. Steffy isn't after Liam anymore. Thomas is after Hope.

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.

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churro79, 11/23/2020, 8:28AM (9 days ago) @Drangonfly
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Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.

Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.

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Drangonfly @, 11/23/2020, 8:56AM (9 days ago) @churro79

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.

I guess I just disagree with you on how it was written because I didn't interpret the scenes at all the way you've described.

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Zaneygray, 11/23/2020, 9:32AM (9 days ago) @churro79

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.

I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.

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Drangonfly @, 11/23/2020, 9:56AM (9 days ago) @Zaneygray

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.


I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.

Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.

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hopeyougogirl, 11/23/2020, 10:14AM (9 days ago) @Drangonfly

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.


I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.


Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.

Like Liam doesn't preferred to live in a fantasy..he's the one with a daughter with each of the two women and still comes and goes as he pleases.. even though Leffy are no longer a couple. And Steffy lives in a fantasy too..she's got a boyfriend, yet she has no boundaries either..allowing the EX to act like he's still the man of her house..waltz in and out of the cliff house. Why not change her locks and set up some sort of visitation schedule?

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Drangonfly @, 11/23/2020, 10:25AM (9 days ago) @hopeyougogirl- one person liked this

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.


I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.


Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.


Like Liam doesn't preferred to live in a fantasy..he's the one with a daughter with each of the two women and still comes and goes as he pleases.. even though Leffy are no longer a couple. And Steffy lives in a fantasy too..she's got a boyfriend, yet she has no boundaries either..allowing the EX to act like he's still the man of her house..waltz in and out of the cliff house. Why not change her locks and set up some sort of visitation schedule?

Exactly. Hope just wants a stable home for her family. That's not fantasy. Fantasy is having a picture of another woman's husband on your living room wall and hoping it will turn into reality.

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Zaneygray, 11/23/2020, 11:04AM (9 days ago) @Drangonfly

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.


I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.


Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.

Hope didn't say anything about chaos. She grew visibly upset and reamed Liam out and ran out with that exclamation. Liam just told her that Thomas has a Hope Manniquin and that is Hope's response? That is not about normal, that is about wanting to have a perfect fantasy world.

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Drangonfly @, 11/23/2020, 11:09AM (9 days ago) @Zaneygray

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.


I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.


Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.


Hope didn't say anything about chaos. She grew visibly upset and reamed Liam out and ran out with that exclamation. Liam just told her that Thomas has a Hope Manniquin and that is Hope's response? That is not about normal, that is about wanting to have a perfect fantasy world.

No, she was exasperated with Liam because she had just had to deal with him overreacting to Finn and just when things started to calm down he started in about Thomas. It has nothing to do with fantasy.

Hope's response about the mannequin was the same as Steffy's. They believed Thomas's reason for having it because they both WANT him to get better. Is Steffy living in a fantasy too?

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Zaneygray, 11/23/2020, 12:12PM (9 days ago) @Drangonfly

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.


I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.


Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.


Hope didn't say anything about chaos. She grew visibly upset and reamed Liam out and ran out with that exclamation. Liam just told her that Thomas has a Hope Manniquin and that is Hope's response? That is not about normal, that is about wanting to have a perfect fantasy world.


No, she was exasperated with Liam because she had just had to deal with him overreacting to Finn and just when things started to calm down he started in about Thomas. It has nothing to do with fantasy.

Hope's response about the mannequin was the same as Steffy's. They believed Thomas's reason for having it because they both WANT him to get better. Is Steffy living in a fantasy too?

Steffy didn't say anything about things staying pleasand and questioning Liam as to why he had to go over and incite Thomas, and then run out crying. So her response is not the same.

I disagree that Hope's response was being being exasperated because she'd just had to deal with him overreacting to Finn. That had been several weeks prior. Hope's history of wanting everything to be "just right, ie: perfect fantasy world" was confirmed by her statements and actions that day, imo.

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Drangonfly @, 11/23/2020, 4:34PM (9 days ago) @Zaneygray

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.


I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.


Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.


Hope didn't say anything about chaos. She grew visibly upset and reamed Liam out and ran out with that exclamation. Liam just told her that Thomas has a Hope Manniquin and that is Hope's response? That is not about normal, that is about wanting to have a perfect fantasy world.


No, she was exasperated with Liam because she had just had to deal with him overreacting to Finn and just when things started to calm down he started in about Thomas. It has nothing to do with fantasy.

Hope's response about the mannequin was the same as Steffy's. They believed Thomas's reason for having it because they both WANT him to get better. Is Steffy living in a fantasy too?


Steffy didn't say anything about things staying pleasand and questioning Liam as to why he had to go over and incite Thomas, and then run out crying. So her response is not the same.

I disagree that Hope's response was being being exasperated because she'd just had to deal with him overreacting to Finn. That had been several weeks prior. Hope's history of wanting everything to be "just right, ie: perfect fantasy world" was confirmed by her statements and actions that day, imo.

Sorry, I just don't see it the way you do.

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hopeyougogirl, 11/23/2020, 11:25AM (9 days ago) @Zaneygray

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.


I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.


Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.


Hope didn't say anything about chaos. She grew visibly upset and reamed Liam out and ran out with that exclamation. Liam just told her that Thomas has a Hope Manniquin and that is Hope's response? That is not about normal, that is about wanting to have a perfect fantasy world.

She didn't actually use the word chaotic or chaos, but if I remember correctly she said something about "peace". And it's a reality that things have been peaceful..Hope and Steffy are getting along and the trio has been managing this blended family thing pretty well. And Thomas hasn't made any romantic moves on Hope, so in her mind, Liam is over reacting. Even Steffy sided with Hope and told Liam that her brother isn't obsessed with Hope.

Yes, the doll is weird, but at the moment, Liam doesn't have any hard proof that Thomas is sabotaging Lope. That's my observation.

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Zaneygray, 11/23/2020, 12:16PM (9 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.


I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.


Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.


Hope didn't say anything about chaos. She grew visibly upset and reamed Liam out and ran out with that exclamation. Liam just told her that Thomas has a Hope Manniquin and that is Hope's response? That is not about normal, that is about wanting to have a perfect fantasy world.


She didn't actually use the word chaotic or chaos, but if I remember correctly she said something about "peace". And it's a reality that things have been peaceful..Hope and Steffy are getting along and the trio has been managing this blended family thing pretty well. And Thomas hasn't made any romantic moves on Hope, so in her mind, Liam is over reacting. Even Steffy sided with Hope and told Liam that her brother isn't obsessed with Hope.

Yes, the doll is weird, but at the moment, Liam doesn't have any hard proof that Thomas is sabotaging Lope. That's my observation.

I went back through the transcript and I didn't see her use the word peace. She said, "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine, and then you just-- you had to go and incite him!" and then proceeded to run out in tears, straight to Thomas. That question of "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant?" says to me: "Why can't we continue to have our perfect fantasy world? You are ruining it". Hope has a history of this very thing, being upset that her perfect fantasy world has been somehow ruined and running off. That's my opinion.

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hopeyougogirl, 11/23/2020, 1:01PM (9 days ago) @Zaneygray

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.


I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.


Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.


Hope didn't say anything about chaos. She grew visibly upset and reamed Liam out and ran out with that exclamation. Liam just told her that Thomas has a Hope Manniquin and that is Hope's response? That is not about normal, that is about wanting to have a perfect fantasy world.


She didn't actually use the word chaotic or chaos, but if I remember correctly she said something about "peace". And it's a reality that things have been peaceful..Hope and Steffy are getting along and the trio has been managing this blended family thing pretty well. And Thomas hasn't made any romantic moves on Hope, so in her mind, Liam is over reacting. Even Steffy sided with Hope and told Liam that her brother isn't obsessed with Hope.

Yes, the doll is weird, but at the moment, Liam doesn't have any hard proof that Thomas is sabotaging Lope. That's my observation.


I went back through the transcript and I didn't see her use the word peace. She said, "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine, and then you just-- you had to go and incite him!" and then proceeded to run out in tears, straight to Thomas. That question of "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant?" says to me: "Why can't we continue to have our perfect fantasy world? You are ruining it". Hope has a history of this very thing, being upset that her perfect fantasy world has been somehow ruined and running off. That's my opinion.

Okay, so she used the word pleasant, not peace..but to me, the word pleasant is basically the same as not wanting chaos. I'm pretty confident that Steffy wants the same thing..everything to stay pleasant, so does that mean Steffy wants to live in the perfect fantasy world too?

And the fact that the trio have been getting along and doing what's best for the kids showed that it's a reality achievable by these parents..that it's not some fantasy out of reach. Plus, Thomas has been acting "normal" saying all the right things in front of BOTH Hope and Steffy which gave the two women no reason to be suspicious of him. IMO.

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Zaneygray, 11/23/2020, 1:34PM (9 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.


I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.


Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.


Hope didn't say anything about chaos. She grew visibly upset and reamed Liam out and ran out with that exclamation. Liam just told her that Thomas has a Hope Manniquin and that is Hope's response? That is not about normal, that is about wanting to have a perfect fantasy world.


She didn't actually use the word chaotic or chaos, but if I remember correctly she said something about "peace". And it's a reality that things have been peaceful..Hope and Steffy are getting along and the trio has been managing this blended family thing pretty well. And Thomas hasn't made any romantic moves on Hope, so in her mind, Liam is over reacting. Even Steffy sided with Hope and told Liam that her brother isn't obsessed with Hope.

Yes, the doll is weird, but at the moment, Liam doesn't have any hard proof that Thomas is sabotaging Lope. That's my observation.


I went back through the transcript and I didn't see her use the word peace. She said, "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine, and then you just-- you had to go and incite him!" and then proceeded to run out in tears, straight to Thomas. That question of "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant?" says to me: "Why can't we continue to have our perfect fantasy world? You are ruining it". Hope has a history of this very thing, being upset that her perfect fantasy world has been somehow ruined and running off. That's my opinion.


Okay, so she used the word pleasant, not peace..but to me, the word pleasant is basically the same as not wanting chaos. I'm pretty confident that Steffy wants the same thing..everything to stay pleasant, so does that mean Steffy wants to live in the perfect fantasy world too?

And the fact that the trio have been getting along and doing what's best for the kids showed that it's a reality achievable by these parents..that it's not some fantasy out of reach. Plus, Thomas has been acting "normal" saying all the right things in front of BOTH Hope and Steffy which gave the two women no reason to be suspicious of him. IMO.

Steffy wants to believe the best in her brother, but she isn't the one that got upset the way Hope did, nor did she say what Hope said, so it's really not comparable, imo.

If by the trio, you mean Steffy, Hope and Liam, then I'm not sure I agree that they truly have been getting along. Hope has shown signs of not liking all the time that Liam has spent with Steffy and Kelly, imo. Has it been best for the kids in not having Beth and Kelly together? Liam hasn't brought Beth to visit her sister. He hasn't brought Kelly to the cabin since Steffy came home. And how does Thomas fit into the trio? Liam certainly isn't happy about Hope not listening to him about Thomas, and we've seen them disagreeing and arguing more than once. Hope and Steffy seem to be getting along, but even Steffy saw signs that made her question whether Hope really was ok with things. And the way Hope ran out after basically accusing Liam of ruining her pleasant world says to me that what she wants really is her fantasy world, not reality. IMO.

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hopeyougogirl, 11/23/2020, 2:29PM (9 days ago) @Zaneygray
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Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.


I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.


Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.


Hope didn't say anything about chaos. She grew visibly upset and reamed Liam out and ran out with that exclamation. Liam just told her that Thomas has a Hope Manniquin and that is Hope's response? That is not about normal, that is about wanting to have a perfect fantasy world.


She didn't actually use the word chaotic or chaos, but if I remember correctly she said something about "peace". And it's a reality that things have been peaceful..Hope and Steffy are getting along and the trio has been managing this blended family thing pretty well. And Thomas hasn't made any romantic moves on Hope, so in her mind, Liam is over reacting. Even Steffy sided with Hope and told Liam that her brother isn't obsessed with Hope.

Yes, the doll is weird, but at the moment, Liam doesn't have any hard proof that Thomas is sabotaging Lope. That's my observation.


I went back through the transcript and I didn't see her use the word peace. She said, "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine, and then you just-- you had to go and incite him!" and then proceeded to run out in tears, straight to Thomas. That question of "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant?" says to me: "Why can't we continue to have our perfect fantasy world? You are ruining it". Hope has a history of this very thing, being upset that her perfect fantasy world has been somehow ruined and running off. That's my opinion.


Okay, so she used the word pleasant, not peace..but to me, the word pleasant is basically the same as not wanting chaos. I'm pretty confident that Steffy wants the same thing..everything to stay pleasant, so does that mean Steffy wants to live in the perfect fantasy world too?

And the fact that the trio have been getting along and doing what's best for the kids showed that it's a reality achievable by these parents..that it's not some fantasy out of reach. Plus, Thomas has been acting "normal" saying all the right things in front of BOTH Hope and Steffy which gave the two women no reason to be suspicious of him. IMO.


Steffy wants to believe the best in her brother, but she isn't the one that got upset the way Hope did, nor did she say what Hope said, so it's really not comparable, imo.

If by the trio, you mean Steffy, Hope and Liam, then I'm not sure I agree that they truly have been getting along. Hope has shown signs of not liking all the time that Liam has spent with Steffy and Kelly, imo. Has it been best for the kids in not having Beth and Kelly together? Liam hasn't brought Beth to visit her sister. He hasn't brought Kelly to the cabin since Steffy came home. And how does Thomas fit into the trio? Liam certainly isn't happy about Hope not listening to him about Thomas, and we've seen them disagreeing and arguing more than once. Hope and Steffy seem to be getting along, but even Steffy saw signs that made her question whether Hope really was ok with things. And the way Hope ran out after basically accusing Liam of ruining her pleasant world says to me that what she wants really is her fantasy world, not reality. IMO.

Steffy just said it again today that who would of thought her and Hope would actually get along and Liam acknowledged too that their blended family thing has been going well....so again, it's a reality that's already been achieved, NOT a fantasy. And Hope just proved herself that she has no issues with Liam spending time with Kelly and Steffy..she did encourage Liam to go to that beach party after all. Let's not forget, when Steffy was in rehab, Kelly lived with Hope, Liam, Beth and Douglas at the cabin..so the kids all get along too.

And things have been pleasant including Douglas/Thomas relationship..until Liam tried to convince BOTH women that Thomas hasn't changed. Thomas isn't acting up in front of Hope and Steffy..he's been saying all the right things, so both women have no reason to doubt he's not improving.

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Zaneygray, 11/23/2020, 3:04PM (9 days ago) @hopeyougogirl

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.


I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.


Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.


Hope didn't say anything about chaos. She grew visibly upset and reamed Liam out and ran out with that exclamation. Liam just told her that Thomas has a Hope Manniquin and that is Hope's response? That is not about normal, that is about wanting to have a perfect fantasy world.


She didn't actually use the word chaotic or chaos, but if I remember correctly she said something about "peace". And it's a reality that things have been peaceful..Hope and Steffy are getting along and the trio has been managing this blended family thing pretty well. And Thomas hasn't made any romantic moves on Hope, so in her mind, Liam is over reacting. Even Steffy sided with Hope and told Liam that her brother isn't obsessed with Hope.

Yes, the doll is weird, but at the moment, Liam doesn't have any hard proof that Thomas is sabotaging Lope. That's my observation.


I went back through the transcript and I didn't see her use the word peace. She said, "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine, and then you just-- you had to go and incite him!" and then proceeded to run out in tears, straight to Thomas. That question of "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant?" says to me: "Why can't we continue to have our perfect fantasy world? You are ruining it". Hope has a history of this very thing, being upset that her perfect fantasy world has been somehow ruined and running off. That's my opinion.


Okay, so she used the word pleasant, not peace..but to me, the word pleasant is basically the same as not wanting chaos. I'm pretty confident that Steffy wants the same thing..everything to stay pleasant, so does that mean Steffy wants to live in the perfect fantasy world too?

And the fact that the trio have been getting along and doing what's best for the kids showed that it's a reality achievable by these parents..that it's not some fantasy out of reach. Plus, Thomas has been acting "normal" saying all the right things in front of BOTH Hope and Steffy which gave the two women no reason to be suspicious of him. IMO.


Steffy wants to believe the best in her brother, but she isn't the one that got upset the way Hope did, nor did she say what Hope said, so it's really not comparable, imo.

If by the trio, you mean Steffy, Hope and Liam, then I'm not sure I agree that they truly have been getting along. Hope has shown signs of not liking all the time that Liam has spent with Steffy and Kelly, imo. Has it been best for the kids in not having Beth and Kelly together? Liam hasn't brought Beth to visit her sister. He hasn't brought Kelly to the cabin since Steffy came home. And how does Thomas fit into the trio? Liam certainly isn't happy about Hope not listening to him about Thomas, and we've seen them disagreeing and arguing more than once. Hope and Steffy seem to be getting along, but even Steffy saw signs that made her question whether Hope really was ok with things. And the way Hope ran out after basically accusing Liam of ruining her pleasant world says to me that what she wants really is her fantasy world, not reality. IMO.


Steffy just said it again today that who would of thought her and Hope would actually get along and Liam acknowledged too that their blended family thing has been going well....so again, it's a reality that's already been achieved, NOT a fantasy. And Hope just proved herself that she has no issues with Liam spending time with Kelly and Steffy..she did encourage Liam to go to that beach party after all. Let's not forget, when Steffy was in rehab, Kelly lived with Hope, Liam, Beth and Douglas at the cabin..so the kids all get along too.

And things have been pleasant including Douglas/Thomas relationship..until Liam tried to convince BOTH women that Thomas hasn't changed. Thomas isn't acting up in front of Hope and Steffy..he's been saying all the right things, so both women have no reason to doubt he's not improving.

Curious though that Kelly hasn't seen her sister at all, or Douglas either for that matter. If it's not a fantasy, then Liam will have no problem bringing his issue to Hope when he sees what he sees later this week. That's the whole point. Lope SEEM to get along...until something happens to spoil the fantasy.

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hopeyougogirl, 11/23/2020, 3:08PM (9 days ago) @Zaneygray

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.

Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.


I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.


Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.


Hope didn't say anything about chaos. She grew visibly upset and reamed Liam out and ran out with that exclamation. Liam just told her that Thomas has a Hope Manniquin and that is Hope's response? That is not about normal, that is about wanting to have a perfect fantasy world.


She didn't actually use the word chaotic or chaos, but if I remember correctly she said something about "peace". And it's a reality that things have been peaceful..Hope and Steffy are getting along and the trio has been managing this blended family thing pretty well. And Thomas hasn't made any romantic moves on Hope, so in her mind, Liam is over reacting. Even Steffy sided with Hope and told Liam that her brother isn't obsessed with Hope.

Yes, the doll is weird, but at the moment, Liam doesn't have any hard proof that Thomas is sabotaging Lope. That's my observation.


I went back through the transcript and I didn't see her use the word peace. She said, "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine, and then you just-- you had to go and incite him!" and then proceeded to run out in tears, straight to Thomas. That question of "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant?" says to me: "Why can't we continue to have our perfect fantasy world? You are ruining it". Hope has a history of this very thing, being upset that her perfect fantasy world has been somehow ruined and running off. That's my opinion.


Okay, so she used the word pleasant, not peace..but to me, the word pleasant is basically the same as not wanting chaos. I'm pretty confident that Steffy wants the same thing..everything to stay pleasant, so does that mean Steffy wants to live in the perfect fantasy world too?

And the fact that the trio have been getting along and doing what's best for the kids showed that it's a reality achievable by these parents..that it's not some fantasy out of reach. Plus, Thomas has been acting "normal" saying all the right things in front of BOTH Hope and Steffy which gave the two women no reason to be suspicious of him. IMO.


Steffy wants to believe the best in her brother, but she isn't the one that got upset the way Hope did, nor did she say what Hope said, so it's really not comparable, imo.

If by the trio, you mean Steffy, Hope and Liam, then I'm not sure I agree that they truly have been getting along. Hope has shown signs of not liking all the time that Liam has spent with Steffy and Kelly, imo. Has it been best for the kids in not having Beth and Kelly together? Liam hasn't brought Beth to visit her sister. He hasn't brought Kelly to the cabin since Steffy came home. And how does Thomas fit into the trio? Liam certainly isn't happy about Hope not listening to him about Thomas, and we've seen them disagreeing and arguing more than once. Hope and Steffy seem to be getting along, but even Steffy saw signs that made her question whether Hope really was ok with things. And the way Hope ran out after basically accusing Liam of ruining her pleasant world says to me that what she wants really is her fantasy world, not reality. IMO.


Steffy just said it again today that who would of thought her and Hope would actually get along and Liam acknowledged too that their blended family thing has been going well....so again, it's a reality that's already been achieved, NOT a fantasy. And Hope just proved herself that she has no issues with Liam spending time with Kelly and Steffy..she did encourage Liam to go to that beach party after all. Let's not forget, when Steffy was in rehab, Kelly lived with Hope, Liam, Beth and Douglas at the cabin..so the kids all get along too.

And things have been pleasant including Douglas/Thomas relationship..until Liam tried to convince BOTH women that Thomas hasn't changed. Thomas isn't acting up in front of Hope and Steffy..he's been saying all the right things, so both women have no reason to doubt he's not improving.


Curious though that Kelly hasn't seen her sister at all, or Douglas either for that matter. If it's not a fantasy, then Liam will have no problem bringing his issue to Hope when he sees what he sees later this week. That's the whole point. Lope SEEM to get along...until something happens to spoil the fantasy.

Obviously, we differ in our views. I think it's best that we agree to disagree. Moving on.

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candycpw, 11/23/2020, 2:32PM (9 days ago) @Zaneygray- one person liked this

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.


I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.


Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.


Hope didn't say anything about chaos. She grew visibly upset and reamed Liam out and ran out with that exclamation. Liam just told her that Thomas has a Hope Manniquin and that is Hope's response? That is not about normal, that is about wanting to have a perfect fantasy world.


She didn't actually use the word chaotic or chaos, but if I remember correctly she said something about "peace". And it's a reality that things have been peaceful..Hope and Steffy are getting along and the trio has been managing this blended family thing pretty well. And Thomas hasn't made any romantic moves on Hope, so in her mind, Liam is over reacting. Even Steffy sided with Hope and told Liam that her brother isn't obsessed with Hope.

Yes, the doll is weird, but at the moment, Liam doesn't have any hard proof that Thomas is sabotaging Lope. That's my observation.


I went back through the transcript and I didn't see her use the word peace. She said, "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine, and then you just-- you had to go and incite him!" and then proceeded to run out in tears, straight to Thomas. That question of "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant?" says to me: "Why can't we continue to have our perfect fantasy world? You are ruining it". Hope has a history of this very thing, being upset that her perfect fantasy world has been somehow ruined and running off. That's my opinion.

And I agree with your opinion 100%. How many times has Hope ended engagements and marriages all because everything wasn't perfect. That' what Hope does and YES she lives in a fantasy world. FGS the woman thinks she's a princess.

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Zaneygray, 11/23/2020, 3:07PM (9 days ago) @candycpw

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.


I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.


Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.


Hope didn't say anything about chaos. She grew visibly upset and reamed Liam out and ran out with that exclamation. Liam just told her that Thomas has a Hope Manniquin and that is Hope's response? That is not about normal, that is about wanting to have a perfect fantasy world.


She didn't actually use the word chaotic or chaos, but if I remember correctly she said something about "peace". And it's a reality that things have been peaceful..Hope and Steffy are getting along and the trio has been managing this blended family thing pretty well. And Thomas hasn't made any romantic moves on Hope, so in her mind, Liam is over reacting. Even Steffy sided with Hope and told Liam that her brother isn't obsessed with Hope.

Yes, the doll is weird, but at the moment, Liam doesn't have any hard proof that Thomas is sabotaging Lope. That's my observation.


I went back through the transcript and I didn't see her use the word peace. She said, "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine, and then you just-- you had to go and incite him!" and then proceeded to run out in tears, straight to Thomas. That question of "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant?" says to me: "Why can't we continue to have our perfect fantasy world? You are ruining it". Hope has a history of this very thing, being upset that her perfect fantasy world has been somehow ruined and running off. That's my opinion.

And I agree with your opinion 100%. How many times has Hope ended engagements and marriages all because everything wasn't perfect. That' what Hope does and YES she lives in a fantasy world. FGS the woman thinks she's a princess.

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candycpw, 11/23/2020, 4:35PM (9 days ago) @Zaneygray

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churro79, 11/24/2020, 6:20AM (8 days ago) @Drangonfly

Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.

Pretending your life is fine is a fantasy.

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MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, 11/24/2020, 6:22AM (8 days ago) @Drangonfly

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.


Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.


I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.


Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.

Hope either ignores problems as if they don’t exist - or she cuts and runs. There is no middle ground. Not a healthy way to support a marriage.

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fasbmaster, 11/21/2020, 9:03PM (11 days ago) @beachboy※- one person liked this

Thomas wanted to bring the doll back to FC. Dimwit Hope is the one who told him to keep it, and she insisted. She didn't blink when Liam warned her about the doll. If he mistakes her with the doll, that's just a direct consequence of her actions. She will deserve everything she gets. I have zero sympathy for that obnoxious twit.

:rofl Same thing I said in another post. She's is the one that told him to keep it. It's her own fault as usual.

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EnuffAlready, Texas, 11/22/2020, 11:11AM (10 days ago) @beachboy※

Thomas wanted to bring the doll back to FC. Dimwit Hope is the one who told him to keep it, and she insisted. She didn't blink when Liam warned her about the doll. If he mistakes her with the doll, that's just a direct consequence of her actions. She will deserve everything she gets. I have zero sympathy for that obnoxious twit.

Nailed it! Love it! :cool

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Soap-Passion @, 11/20/2020, 10:35PM (12 days ago) @Drangonfly

To complete Bold_team's post, I am not too familiar with Tvwatercooler like I'm with SOD or HH, but if this is like former Highlighthollywood, then the parts without a date aren't legit spoilers. They are more speculations based on the spoilers.They also love using question-spoilers (like last week "will Eric forgive Quinn?") These are often right, but not always.

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The main spoiler for the week after next (Novvember 30) is "a shocking betrayal causes unthikable consequences". With Liam being in disblief and shattered + Steffy comforting him on Wednesday (before the 2 pre-empted episodes) I don't see who else it can be (other than Leffy, I mean) It could also be Shauna betraying Quinn and making a play for Eric, but given what's happening next week, they have set the stage for an eventful week of Hope-Liam-Thomas-Steffy-Finn drama, for the week after next. I doubt Shauna and Quinn will even be on.
My guess is Wednesday (Nov.25) episode ends with Steffy comforting Liam (maybe a hug or a kiss) This will be the cliffhanger and We will have to wonder if it leads to a one-night-stand until Monday 30. Maybe it will be like in Italy and we won't even know if something happened or not, or they will just wake up in bed together and instantly regret it. (That's not really what I wish, but given the spoilers it sounds more and more likely)

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Drangonfly @, 11/20/2020, 10:59PM (12 days ago) @Soap-Passion

To complete Bold_team's post, I am not too familiar with Tvwatercooler like I'm with SOD or HH, but if this is like former Highlighthollywood, then the parts without a date aren't legit spoilers. They are more speculations based on the spoilers.They also love using question-spoilers (like last week "will Eric forgive Quinn?") These are often right, but not always.

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The main spoiler for the week after next (Novvember 30) is "a shocking betrayal causes unthikable consequences". With Liam being in disblief and shattered + Steffy comforting him on Wednesday (before the 2 pre-empted episodes) I don't see who else it can be (other than Leffy, I mean) It could also be Shauna betraying Quinn and making a play for Eric, but given what's happening next week, they have set the stage for an eventful week of Hope-Liam-Thomas-Steffy-Finn drama, for the week after next. I doubt Shauna and Quinn will even be on.
My guess is Wednesday (Nov.25) episode ends with Steffy comforting Liam (maybe a hug or a kiss) This will be the cliffhanger and We will have to wonder if it leads to a one-night-stand until Monday 30. Maybe it will be like in Italy and we won't even know if something happened or not, or they will just wake up in bed together and instantly regret it. (That's not really what I wish, but given the spoilers it sounds more and more likely)

From all the spoilers out there and the fact that the mannequin is wearing the dress Hope was wearing the last time Liam saw her, would you agree that it looks like it will be a misunderstanding? That he'll walk in on Thomas and the doll? Seems that way to me. I don't see Hope cheating on Liam with Thomas.

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Freya, 11/21/2020, 2:34AM (11 days ago) @Drangonfly

To complete Bold_team's post, I am not too familiar with Tvwatercooler like I'm with SOD or HH, but if this is like former Highlighthollywood, then the parts without a date aren't legit spoilers. They are more speculations based on the spoilers.They also love using question-spoilers (like last week "will Eric forgive Quinn?") These are often right, but not always.

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The main spoiler for the week after next (Novvember 30) is "a shocking betrayal causes unthikable consequences". With Liam being in disblief and shattered + Steffy comforting him on Wednesday (before the 2 pre-empted episodes) I don't see who else it can be (other than Leffy, I mean) It could also be Shauna betraying Quinn and making a play for Eric, but given what's happening next week, they have set the stage for an eventful week of Hope-Liam-Thomas-Steffy-Finn drama, for the week after next. I doubt Shauna and Quinn will even be on.
My guess is Wednesday (Nov.25) episode ends with Steffy comforting Liam (maybe a hug or a kiss) This will be the cliffhanger and We will have to wonder if it leads to a one-night-stand until Monday 30. Maybe it will be like in Italy and we won't even know if something happened or not, or they will just wake up in bed together and instantly regret it. (That's not really what I wish, but given the spoilers it sounds more and more likely)


From all the spoilers out there and the fact that the mannequin is wearing the dress Hope was wearing the last time Liam saw her, would you agree that it looks like it will be a misunderstanding? That he'll walk in on Thomas and the doll? Seems that way to me. I don't see Hope cheating on Liam with Thomas.

Hope already cheated on Liam with Thomas last year. She never told Liam about her kisses with Thomas or that Thomas proposed while she was still married to Liam. Yet, Hope made a beeline for Liam's hotel room to tell Liam that Bill had proposed to Steffy.

In fact, Hope is already having an emotional affair with Thomas. Taking his side over her own husband. Defending him vigorously to a frustrated Liam. That's probably why it won't be a stretch for Liam to believe that the mannequin is Hope and that Hope has betrayed him.

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Drangonfly @, 11/21/2020, 8:23AM (11 days ago) @Freya- one person liked this

To complete Bold_team's post, I am not too familiar with Tvwatercooler like I'm with SOD or HH, but if this is like former Highlighthollywood, then the parts without a date aren't legit spoilers. They are more speculations based on the spoilers.They also love using question-spoilers (like last week "will Eric forgive Quinn?") These are often right, but not always.

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The main spoiler for the week after next (Novvember 30) is "a shocking betrayal causes unthikable consequences". With Liam being in disblief and shattered + Steffy comforting him on Wednesday (before the 2 pre-empted episodes) I don't see who else it can be (other than Leffy, I mean) It could also be Shauna betraying Quinn and making a play for Eric, but given what's happening next week, they have set the stage for an eventful week of Hope-Liam-Thomas-Steffy-Finn drama, for the week after next. I doubt Shauna and Quinn will even be on.
My guess is Wednesday (Nov.25) episode ends with Steffy comforting Liam (maybe a hug or a kiss) This will be the cliffhanger and We will have to wonder if it leads to a one-night-stand until Monday 30. Maybe it will be like in Italy and we won't even know if something happened or not, or they will just wake up in bed together and instantly regret it. (That's not really what I wish, but given the spoilers it sounds more and more likely)


From all the spoilers out there and the fact that the mannequin is wearing the dress Hope was wearing the last time Liam saw her, would you agree that it looks like it will be a misunderstanding? That he'll walk in on Thomas and the doll? Seems that way to me. I don't see Hope cheating on Liam with Thomas.


Hope already cheated on Liam with Thomas last year. She never told Liam about her kisses with Thomas or that Thomas proposed while she was still married to Liam. Yet, Hope made a beeline for Liam's hotel room to tell Liam that Bill had proposed to Steffy.

In fact, Hope is already having an emotional affair with Thomas. Taking his side over her own husband. Defending him vigorously to a frustrated Liam. That's probably why it won't be a stretch for Liam to believe that the mannequin is Hope and that Hope has betrayed him.

Hope didn't go and have an affair with Thomas. He preyed on her grief at the lowest point in her life and used his son as a pawn in a calculated effort to get her to marry him. She didn't even sleep with him while they were married.

Hope works with Thomas and co-parents with him. That doesn't equate to an emotional affair. Is Steffy having an emotional affair with Liam? Because she certainly hasn't done anything to put Finn's concerns about Liam to rest.

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Freya, 11/21/2020, 1:56PM (11 days ago) @Drangonfly

To complete Bold_team's post, I am not too familiar with Tvwatercooler like I'm with SOD or HH, but if this is like former Highlighthollywood, then the parts without a date aren't legit spoilers. They are more speculations based on the spoilers.They also love using question-spoilers (like last week "will Eric forgive Quinn?") These are often right, but not always.

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The main spoiler for the week after next (Novvember 30) is "a shocking betrayal causes unthikable consequences". With Liam being in disblief and shattered + Steffy comforting him on Wednesday (before the 2 pre-empted episodes) I don't see who else it can be (other than Leffy, I mean) It could also be Shauna betraying Quinn and making a play for Eric, but given what's happening next week, they have set the stage for an eventful week of Hope-Liam-Thomas-Steffy-Finn drama, for the week after next. I doubt Shauna and Quinn will even be on.
My guess is Wednesday (Nov.25) episode ends with Steffy comforting Liam (maybe a hug or a kiss) This will be the cliffhanger and We will have to wonder if it leads to a one-night-stand until Monday 30. Maybe it will be like in Italy and we won't even know if something happened or not, or they will just wake up in bed together and instantly regret it. (That's not really what I wish, but given the spoilers it sounds more and more likely)


From all the spoilers out there and the fact that the mannequin is wearing the dress Hope was wearing the last time Liam saw her, would you agree that it looks like it will be a misunderstanding? That he'll walk in on Thomas and the doll? Seems that way to me. I don't see Hope cheating on Liam with Thomas.


Hope already cheated on Liam with Thomas last year. She never told Liam about her kisses with Thomas or that Thomas proposed while she was still married to Liam. Yet, Hope made a beeline for Liam's hotel room to tell Liam that Bill had proposed to Steffy.

In fact, Hope is already having an emotional affair with Thomas. Taking his side over her own husband. Defending him vigorously to a frustrated Liam. That's probably why it won't be a stretch for Liam to believe that the mannequin is Hope and that Hope has betrayed him.


Hope didn't go and have an affair with Thomas. He preyed on her grief at the lowest point in her life and used his son as a pawn in a calculated effort to get her to marry him. She didn't even sleep with him while they were married.

Hope works with Thomas and co-parents with him. That doesn't equate to an emotional affair. Is Steffy having an emotional affair with Liam? Because she certainly hasn't done anything to put Finn's concerns about Liam to rest.

Steffy was involved with Liam and had a child with him long before Finn was in the picture. Kelly existed even before Hope came back. Finn and Hope both knew that and they accepted it. However, Hope took Douglas on *after* she was married to Liam and against Liam's wishes. That's different. Steffy also isn't taking Liam's side over Finn's. She explicitly told Liam not to interfere in her relationship and to let her live her life.

Hope exchanged kisses with Thomas several times and never told Liam about it. She led Thomas on so he would let her get close to Douglas. Then once she married Thomas, she acted as if she'd been forced into the marriage. She never told Liam about Thomas' proposal. Funny how she took it upon herself to tell Liam about Bill's proposal to Steffy but it was crickets when Thomas proposed to her.

Hope is having an emotional affair with Thomas. She's working with Thomas when Liam doesn't want her to. She's taking Thomas' side over Liam's and she's spending more and more time with him. It goes beyond co-parenting. That's why Liam will be quick to think she's cheating. Why else would Liam be so quick to believe it if he had faith in her?

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Drangonfly @, 11/21/2020, 2:04PM (11 days ago) @Freya

To complete Bold_team's post, I am not too familiar with Tvwatercooler like I'm with SOD or HH, but if this is like former Highlighthollywood, then the parts without a date aren't legit spoilers. They are more speculations based on the spoilers.They also love using question-spoilers (like last week "will Eric forgive Quinn?") These are often right, but not always.

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The main spoiler for the week after next (Novvember 30) is "a shocking betrayal causes unthikable consequences". With Liam being in disblief and shattered + Steffy comforting him on Wednesday (before the 2 pre-empted episodes) I don't see who else it can be (other than Leffy, I mean) It could also be Shauna betraying Quinn and making a play for Eric, but given what's happening next week, they have set the stage for an eventful week of Hope-Liam-Thomas-Steffy-Finn drama, for the week after next. I doubt Shauna and Quinn will even be on.
My guess is Wednesday (Nov.25) episode ends with Steffy comforting Liam (maybe a hug or a kiss) This will be the cliffhanger and We will have to wonder if it leads to a one-night-stand until Monday 30. Maybe it will be like in Italy and we won't even know if something happened or not, or they will just wake up in bed together and instantly regret it. (That's not really what I wish, but given the spoilers it sounds more and more likely)


From all the spoilers out there and the fact that the mannequin is wearing the dress Hope was wearing the last time Liam saw her, would you agree that it looks like it will be a misunderstanding? That he'll walk in on Thomas and the doll? Seems that way to me. I don't see Hope cheating on Liam with Thomas.


Hope already cheated on Liam with Thomas last year. She never told Liam about her kisses with Thomas or that Thomas proposed while she was still married to Liam. Yet, Hope made a beeline for Liam's hotel room to tell Liam that Bill had proposed to Steffy.

In fact, Hope is already having an emotional affair with Thomas. Taking his side over her own husband. Defending him vigorously to a frustrated Liam. That's probably why it won't be a stretch for Liam to believe that the mannequin is Hope and that Hope has betrayed him.


Hope didn't go and have an affair with Thomas. He preyed on her grief at the lowest point in her life and used his son as a pawn in a calculated effort to get her to marry him. She didn't even sleep with him while they were married.

Hope works with Thomas and co-parents with him. That doesn't equate to an emotional affair. Is Steffy having an emotional affair with Liam? Because she certainly hasn't done anything to put Finn's concerns about Liam to rest.


Steffy was involved with Liam and had a child with him long before Finn was in the picture. Kelly existed even before Hope came back. Finn and Hope both knew that and they accepted it. However, Hope took Douglas on *after* she was married to Liam and against Liam's wishes. That's different. Steffy also isn't taking Liam's side over Finn's. She explicitly told Liam not to interfere in her relationship and to let her live her life.

Hope exchanged kisses with Thomas several times and never told Liam about it. She led Thomas on so he would let her get close to Douglas. Then once she married Thomas, she acted as if she'd been forced into the marriage. She never told Liam about Thomas' proposal. Funny how she took it upon herself to tell Liam about Bill's proposal to Steffy but it was crickets when Thomas proposed to her.

Hope is having an emotional affair with Thomas. She's working with Thomas when Liam doesn't want her to. She's taking Thomas' side over Liam's and she's spending more and more time with him. It goes beyond co-parenting. That's why Liam will be quick to think she's cheating. Why else would Liam be so quick to believe it if he had faith in her?

Douglas was already with Hope when Liam proposed to her at Steffy's house, after they found out about the kiss that Steffy and Thomas staged. He dropped his ultimatum about Douglas and said they would be a family of four.

Liam never blamed Hope one bit for her involvement with Thomas. He knew that Thomas manipulated her and preyed on her grief. He wasn't the slightest bit angry with her.

Working with someone is having an emotional affair??? Disagreeing about someone is an emotional affair???

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Jenni, 11/21/2020, 2:36PM (11 days ago) @Freya- one person liked this

To complete Bold_team's post, I am not too familiar with Tvwatercooler like I'm with SOD or HH, but if this is like former Highlighthollywood, then the parts without a date aren't legit spoilers. They are more speculations based on the spoilers.They also love using question-spoilers (like last week "will Eric forgive Quinn?") These are often right, but not always.

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The main spoiler for the week after next (Novvember 30) is "a shocking betrayal causes unthikable consequences". With Liam being in disblief and shattered + Steffy comforting him on Wednesday (before the 2 pre-empted episodes) I don't see who else it can be (other than Leffy, I mean) It could also be Shauna betraying Quinn and making a play for Eric, but given what's happening next week, they have set the stage for an eventful week of Hope-Liam-Thomas-Steffy-Finn drama, for the week after next. I doubt Shauna and Quinn will even be on.
My guess is Wednesday (Nov.25) episode ends with Steffy comforting Liam (maybe a hug or a kiss) This will be the cliffhanger and We will have to wonder if it leads to a one-night-stand until Monday 30. Maybe it will be like in Italy and we won't even know if something happened or not, or they will just wake up in bed together and instantly regret it. (That's not really what I wish, but given the spoilers it sounds more and more likely)


From all the spoilers out there and the fact that the mannequin is wearing the dress Hope was wearing the last time Liam saw her, would you agree that it looks like it will be a misunderstanding? That he'll walk in on Thomas and the doll? Seems that way to me. I don't see Hope cheating on Liam with Thomas.


Hope already cheated on Liam with Thomas last year. She never told Liam about her kisses with Thomas or that Thomas proposed while she was still married to Liam. Yet, Hope made a beeline for Liam's hotel room to tell Liam that Bill had proposed to Steffy.

In fact, Hope is already having an emotional affair with Thomas. Taking his side over her own husband. Defending him vigorously to a frustrated Liam. That's probably why it won't be a stretch for Liam to believe that the mannequin is Hope and that Hope has betrayed him.


Hope didn't go and have an affair with Thomas. He preyed on her grief at the lowest point in her life and used his son as a pawn in a calculated effort to get her to marry him. She didn't even sleep with him while they were married.

Hope works with Thomas and co-parents with him. That doesn't equate to an emotional affair. Is Steffy having an emotional affair with Liam? Because she certainly hasn't done anything to put Finn's concerns about Liam to rest.


Steffy was involved with Liam and had a child with him long before Finn was in the picture. Kelly existed even before Hope came back. Finn and Hope both knew that and they accepted it. However, Hope took Douglas on *after* she was married to Liam and against Liam's wishes. That's different. Steffy also isn't taking Liam's side over Finn's. She explicitly told Liam not to interfere in her relationship and to let her live her life.

Hope exchanged kisses with Thomas several times and never told Liam about it. She led Thomas on so he would let her get close to Douglas. Then once she married Thomas, she acted as if she'd been forced into the marriage. She never told Liam about Thomas' proposal. Funny how she took it upon herself to tell Liam about Bill's proposal to Steffy but it was crickets when Thomas proposed to her.

Hope is having an emotional affair with Thomas. She's working with Thomas when Liam doesn't want her to. She's taking Thomas' side over Liam's and she's spending more and more time with him. It goes beyond co-parenting. That's why Liam will be quick to think she's cheating. Why else would Liam be so quick to believe it if he had faith in her?

An emotional affair is far worst than a physical affair to a lot. An emotional affair consist of both parties being in love with each other without expressing that love in a physical form.

Unless I skipped an episodes or missed a scene where it indicates Hope has shown attraction and romantic, sexual feelings even expressing her love to Thomas, then I need to see that. Have thope confessed their love, shared their inner most feelings? Has hope decided liam is no longer the man for her? Do thope go on dates, to the park, eat out, share their happy news first with each other. Do they value each other romantically. Are Lope completely distant and seek love elsewhere? Has Hope decided she no longer loves Liam?

Despite steam's long history. It has finally comes to a halt, for now . Steffy's in a relationship and her co-parenting skills goes beyond with Liam, all thanks to Liam. He stays for dinner, he buys her flowers, he spends time on her couch and the picture is still up considering she is dating now. Her boyfriend finds it odd and Hope doesn't like them spending too much time together. By chance, are they having an emotional affair?

Hope defending Thomas and working alongside him does not indicate an emotional affair from what I've watched on TV. But if others have seen this emotional affair. I am wrong and I would like to see which episodes they are on.

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Drangonfly @, 11/22/2020, 8:27AM (10 days ago) @Jenni

To complete Bold_team's post, I am not too familiar with Tvwatercooler like I'm with SOD or HH, but if this is like former Highlighthollywood, then the parts without a date aren't legit spoilers. They are more speculations based on the spoilers.They also love using question-spoilers (like last week "will Eric forgive Quinn?") These are often right, but not always.

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The main spoiler for the week after next (Novvember 30) is "a shocking betrayal causes unthikable consequences". With Liam being in disblief and shattered + Steffy comforting him on Wednesday (before the 2 pre-empted episodes) I don't see who else it can be (other than Leffy, I mean) It could also be Shauna betraying Quinn and making a play for Eric, but given what's happening next week, they have set the stage for an eventful week of Hope-Liam-Thomas-Steffy-Finn drama, for the week after next. I doubt Shauna and Quinn will even be on.
My guess is Wednesday (Nov.25) episode ends with Steffy comforting Liam (maybe a hug or a kiss) This will be the cliffhanger and We will have to wonder if it leads to a one-night-stand until Monday 30. Maybe it will be like in Italy and we won't even know if something happened or not, or they will just wake up in bed together and instantly regret it. (That's not really what I wish, but given the spoilers it sounds more and more likely)


From all the spoilers out there and the fact that the mannequin is wearing the dress Hope was wearing the last time Liam saw her, would you agree that it looks like it will be a misunderstanding? That he'll walk in on Thomas and the doll? Seems that way to me. I don't see Hope cheating on Liam with Thomas.


Hope already cheated on Liam with Thomas last year. She never told Liam about her kisses with Thomas or that Thomas proposed while she was still married to Liam. Yet, Hope made a beeline for Liam's hotel room to tell Liam that Bill had proposed to Steffy.

In fact, Hope is already having an emotional affair with Thomas. Taking his side over her own husband. Defending him vigorously to a frustrated Liam. That's probably why it won't be a stretch for Liam to believe that the mannequin is Hope and that Hope has betrayed him.


Hope didn't go and have an affair with Thomas. He preyed on her grief at the lowest point in her life and used his son as a pawn in a calculated effort to get her to marry him. She didn't even sleep with him while they were married.

Hope works with Thomas and co-parents with him. That doesn't equate to an emotional affair. Is Steffy having an emotional affair with Liam? Because she certainly hasn't done anything to put Finn's concerns about Liam to rest.


Steffy was involved with Liam and had a child with him long before Finn was in the picture. Kelly existed even before Hope came back. Finn and Hope both knew that and they accepted it. However, Hope took Douglas on *after* she was married to Liam and against Liam's wishes. That's different. Steffy also isn't taking Liam's side over Finn's. She explicitly told Liam not to interfere in her relationship and to let her live her life.

Hope exchanged kisses with Thomas several times and never told Liam about it. She led Thomas on so he would let her get close to Douglas. Then once she married Thomas, she acted as if she'd been forced into the marriage. She never told Liam about Thomas' proposal. Funny how she took it upon herself to tell Liam about Bill's proposal to Steffy but it was crickets when Thomas proposed to her.

Hope is having an emotional affair with Thomas. She's working with Thomas when Liam doesn't want her to. She's taking Thomas' side over Liam's and she's spending more and more time with him. It goes beyond co-parenting. That's why Liam will be quick to think she's cheating. Why else would Liam be so quick to believe it if he had faith in her?


An emotional affair is far worst than a physical affair to a lot. An emotional affair consist of both parties being in love with each other without expressing that love in a physical form.

Unless I skipped an episodes or missed a scene where it indicates Hope has shown attraction and romantic, sexual feelings even expressing her love to Thomas, then I need to see that. Have thope confessed their love, shared their inner most feelings? Has hope decided liam is no longer the man for her? Do thope go on dates, to the park, eat out, share their happy news first with each other. Do they value each other romantically. Are Lope completely distant and seek love elsewhere? Has Hope decided she no longer loves Liam?

Despite steam's long history. It has finally comes to a halt, for now . Steffy's in a relationship and her co-parenting skills goes beyond with Liam, all thanks to Liam. He stays for dinner, he buys her flowers, he spends time on her couch and the picture is still up considering she is dating now. Her boyfriend finds it odd and Hope doesn't like them spending too much time together. By chance, are they having an emotional affair?

Hope defending Thomas and working alongside him does not indicate an emotional affair from what I've watched on TV. But if others have seen this emotional affair. I am wrong and I would like to see which episodes they are on.

Exactly. If Hope has ever shown anything toward Thomas, it's been that she's repulsed by him. She never gave one single indication that she's been attracted to him. Not romantically, not sexually. Not in any way. She just wants Douglas to have a good relationship with his dad.

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MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, 11/22/2020, 12:04PM (10 days ago) @Jenni

To complete Bold_team's post, I am not too familiar with Tvwatercooler like I'm with SOD or HH, but if this is like former Highlighthollywood, then the parts without a date aren't legit spoilers. They are more speculations based on the spoilers.They also love using question-spoilers (like last week "will Eric forgive Quinn?") These are often right, but not always.

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The main spoiler for the week after next (Novvember 30) is "a shocking betrayal causes unthikable consequences". With Liam being in disblief and shattered + Steffy comforting him on Wednesday (before the 2 pre-empted episodes) I don't see who else it can be (other than Leffy, I mean) It could also be Shauna betraying Quinn and making a play for Eric, but given what's happening next week, they have set the stage for an eventful week of Hope-Liam-Thomas-Steffy-Finn drama, for the week after next. I doubt Shauna and Quinn will even be on.
My guess is Wednesday (Nov.25) episode ends with Steffy comforting Liam (maybe a hug or a kiss) This will be the cliffhanger and We will have to wonder if it leads to a one-night-stand until Monday 30. Maybe it will be like in Italy and we won't even know if something happened or not, or they will just wake up in bed together and instantly regret it. (That's not really what I wish, but given the spoilers it sounds more and more likely)


From all the spoilers out there and the fact that the mannequin is wearing the dress Hope was wearing the last time Liam saw her, would you agree that it looks like it will be a misunderstanding? That he'll walk in on Thomas and the doll? Seems that way to me. I don't see Hope cheating on Liam with Thomas.


Hope already cheated on Liam with Thomas last year. She never told Liam about her kisses with Thomas or that Thomas proposed while she was still married to Liam. Yet, Hope made a beeline for Liam's hotel room to tell Liam that Bill had proposed to Steffy.

In fact, Hope is already having an emotional affair with Thomas. Taking his side over her own husband. Defending him vigorously to a frustrated Liam. That's probably why it won't be a stretch for Liam to believe that the mannequin is Hope and that Hope has betrayed him.


Hope didn't go and have an affair with Thomas. He preyed on her grief at the lowest point in her life and used his son as a pawn in a calculated effort to get her to marry him. She didn't even sleep with him while they were married.

Hope works with Thomas and co-parents with him. That doesn't equate to an emotional affair. Is Steffy having an emotional affair with Liam? Because she certainly hasn't done anything to put Finn's concerns about Liam to rest.


Steffy was involved with Liam and had a child with him long before Finn was in the picture. Kelly existed even before Hope came back. Finn and Hope both knew that and they accepted it. However, Hope took Douglas on *after* she was married to Liam and against Liam's wishes. That's different. Steffy also isn't taking Liam's side over Finn's. She explicitly told Liam not to interfere in her relationship and to let her live her life.

Hope exchanged kisses with Thomas several times and never told Liam about it. She led Thomas on so he would let her get close to Douglas. Then once she married Thomas, she acted as if she'd been forced into the marriage. She never told Liam about Thomas' proposal. Funny how she took it upon herself to tell Liam about Bill's proposal to Steffy but it was crickets when Thomas proposed to her.

Hope is having an emotional affair with Thomas. She's working with Thomas when Liam doesn't want her to. She's taking Thomas' side over Liam's and she's spending more and more time with him. It goes beyond co-parenting. That's why Liam will be quick to think she's cheating. Why else would Liam be so quick to believe it if he had faith in her?


An emotional affair is far worst than a physical affair to a lot. An emotional affair consist of both parties being in love with each other without expressing that love in a physical form.

Unless I skipped an episodes or missed a scene where it indicates Hope has shown attraction and romantic, sexual feelings even expressing her love to Thomas, then I need to see that. Have thope confessed their love, shared their inner most feelings? Has hope decided liam is no longer the man for her? Do thope go on dates, to the park, eat out, share their happy news first with each other. Do they value each other romantically. Are Lope completely distant and seek love elsewhere? Has Hope decided she no longer loves Liam?

Despite steam's long history. It has finally comes to a halt, for now . Steffy's in a relationship and her co-parenting skills goes beyond with Liam, all thanks to Liam. He stays for dinner, he buys her flowers, he spends time on her couch and the picture is still up considering she is dating now. Her boyfriend finds it odd and Hope doesn't like them spending too much time together. By chance, are they having an emotional affair?

Hope defending Thomas and working alongside him does not indicate an emotional affair from what I've watched on TV. But if others have seen this emotional affair. I am wrong and I would like to see which episodes they are on.

Hope and Thomas aren't having an emotional affair.
However, Hope isn't bright enough to realize that Thomas has serious issues, and her behavior is encouraging him.

Technically, not Hope's fault - but it will certainly become her problem if she doesn't wake up.

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Freya, 11/21/2020, 2:12AM (11 days ago) @Drangonfly

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."

Isn't this the same as the last spoilers? So Liam can't tell the difference between Hope and a mannequin :lol

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Hit-Girl, 11/21/2020, 2:20AM (11 days ago) @Freya

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."


Isn't this the same as the last spoilers? So Liam can't tell the difference between Hope and a mannequin :lol

Well Oliver couldn't tel the difference between Brooke and Hope, so... show me how shallow Hope must be! :rofl

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Freya, 11/21/2020, 2:38AM (11 days ago) @Hit-Girl

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."


Isn't this the same as the last spoilers? So Liam can't tell the difference between Hope and a mannequin :lol


Well Oliver couldn't tel the difference between Brooke and Hope, so... show me how shallow Hope must be! :rofl

That's true lol. I forgot about the Brooke and Oliver wall sex incident. But I think Liam will have more to say about what he sees than, "Oh, Logan!" ;-)

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fasbmaster, 11/21/2020, 8:59PM (11 days ago) @Hit-Girl

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."


Isn't this the same as the last spoilers? So Liam can't tell the difference between Hope and a mannequin :lol


Well Oliver couldn't tel the difference between Brooke and Hope, so... show me how shallow Hope must be! :rofl

Hope just isn't memorable :lol

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PatriotGirl @, 11/21/2020, 9:21PM (11 days ago) @fasbmaster

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."


Isn't this the same as the last spoilers? So Liam can't tell the difference between Hope and a mannequin :lol


Well Oliver couldn't tel the difference between Brooke and Hope, so... show me how shallow Hope must be! :rofl


Hope just isn't memorable :lol

:rofl :rofl But Oliver was. According to Brooke it was the best she ever had. :-D

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MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, 11/21/2020, 9:34PM (11 days ago) @PatriotGirl

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."


Isn't this the same as the last spoilers? So Liam can't tell the difference between Hope and a mannequin :lol


Well Oliver couldn't tel the difference between Brooke and Hope, so... show me how shallow Hope must be! :rofl


Hope just isn't memorable :lol


:rofl :rofl But Oliver was. According to Brooke it was the best she ever had. :-D

:surprised

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harper1, 11/21/2020, 9:45AM (11 days ago) @Drangonfly

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."

Whatever Liam thinks he sees, there is absolutely ZERO excuse not to bust in and confront the situation.

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Barbybo, 11/21/2020, 11:21AM (11 days ago) @harper1

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."


Whatever Liam thinks he sees, there is absolutely ZERO excuse not to bust in and confront the situation.

He’s a idiot he would be doing same sitting in a chair not waking Steffy and Wyatt...doofus guy

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TeamSheila2.0, 11/21/2020, 11:41AM (11 days ago) @harper1

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."


Whatever Liam thinks he sees, there is absolutely ZERO excuse not to bust in and confront the situation.

Of course there is one :lol

If he busts in, he will know what's happening and he and Hope will discuss it and come home. Storyline over. Moving on.

If he doesn't bust in, well well well. Anything can happen and have unthikable consequences. Basics of soap operas. ;-)

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Drangonfly @, 11/21/2020, 2:00PM (11 days ago) @harper1

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."


Whatever Liam thinks he sees, there is absolutely ZERO excuse not to bust in and confront the situation.

Sure. But there isn't much drama in that, is there?

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harper1, 11/21/2020, 2:39PM (11 days ago) @Drangonfly

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."


Whatever Liam thinks he sees, there is absolutely ZERO excuse not to bust in and confront the situation.


Sure. But there isn't much drama in that, is there?

Still needs to make sense. He's so worried about Hope being with there with Thomas. Yet doesn't go in. I guess he really must think she's cheating. Some marriage. :lol

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Drangonfly @, 11/22/2020, 8:28AM (10 days ago) @harper1

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."


Whatever Liam thinks he sees, there is absolutely ZERO excuse not to bust in and confront the situation.


Sure. But there isn't much drama in that, is there?


Still needs to make sense. He's so worried about Hope being with there with Thomas. Yet doesn't go in. I guess he really must think she's cheating. Some marriage. :lol

Meh. Couples need angst. Look what happens to all the happy couples. What's happened to Sinn?

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MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, 11/22/2020, 11:00AM (10 days ago) @Drangonfly

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."


Whatever Liam thinks he sees, there is absolutely ZERO excuse not to bust in and confront the situation.


Sure. But there isn't much drama in that, is there?


Still needs to make sense. He's so worried about Hope being with there with Thomas. Yet doesn't go in. I guess he really must think she's cheating. Some marriage. :lol


Meh. Couples need angst. Look what happens to all the happy couples. What's happened to Sinn?

Sinn's rerouted thanks to JMWs pregnancy. Still doesn't explain what Lope's problem is. :neutral

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hopeyougogirl, 11/22/2020, 1:21PM (10 days ago) @Drangonfly

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."


Whatever Liam thinks he sees, there is absolutely ZERO excuse not to bust in and confront the situation.


Sure. But there isn't much drama in that, is there?


Still needs to make sense. He's so worried about Hope being with there with Thomas. Yet doesn't go in. I guess he really must think she's cheating. Some marriage. :lol


Meh. Couples need angst. Look what happens to all the happy couples. What's happened to Sinn?

Looks to me, Bell has moved on from boring Sinn..he's mostly focused on his new couple Tholl and the Liam/Thomas rivalry, plus the quad of Zende/Paris/Carter/Zoe now.

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Drangonfly @, 11/22/2020, 3:36PM (10 days ago) @hopeyougogirl
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...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."


Whatever Liam thinks he sees, there is absolutely ZERO excuse not to bust in and confront the situation.


Sure. But there isn't much drama in that, is there?


Still needs to make sense. He's so worried about Hope being with there with Thomas. Yet doesn't go in. I guess he really must think she's cheating. Some marriage. :lol


Meh. Couples need angst. Look what happens to all the happy couples. What's happened to Sinn?


Looks to me, Bell has moved on from boring Sinn..he's mostly focused on his new couple Tholl and the Liam/Thomas rivalry, plus the quad of Zende/Paris/Carter/Zoe now.

It seems that way. Maybe Sinn will be featured more later. Anyway, I'd rather see Lope have angst than be on the back burner. And even if they do break up, it's always great watching Liam fight for Hope.

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*SPOILER* - According to TV Watercooler...

hopeyougogirl, 11/23/2020, 12:40AM (9 days ago) @Drangonfly

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."


Whatever Liam thinks he sees, there is absolutely ZERO excuse not to bust in and confront the situation.


Sure. But there isn't much drama in that, is there?


Still needs to make sense. He's so worried about Hope being with there with Thomas. Yet doesn't go in. I guess he really must think she's cheating. Some marriage. :lol


Meh. Couples need angst. Look what happens to all the happy couples. What's happened to Sinn?


Looks to me, Bell has moved on from boring Sinn..he's mostly focused on his new couple Tholl and the Liam/Thomas rivalry, plus the quad of Zende/Paris/Carter/Zoe now.


It seems that way. Maybe Sinn will be featured more later. Anyway, I'd rather see Lope have angst than be on the back burner. And even if they do break up, it's always great watching Liam fight for Hope.

No doubt in my mind that Liam will fight for Hope....especially if he finds out it was Tholl kissing, not real Hope lol.

*SPOILER* - According to TV Watercooler...

Barbybo, 11/21/2020, 11:19AM (11 days ago) @Drangonfly

...when Liam walks in on Hope and Thomas, he misunderstands the situation. So, I think he is going to see Thomas kissing the doll and will think he's kissing Hope. I guess he could see Thomas and the doll in bed but...would Bell take it that far? :oh

"Liam misunderstanding a situation between Thomas and the Hope Mannequin could leave devastating consequences for him and Hope)."

Two idiots ...the kids there how could they be in bed? More liam whines on tap ....:whistle. Have a great holiday ;-)

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