Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent... (General Discussion)

by HappyOlly23, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 2:25AM (6 days ago)

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

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by Viola, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 9:01AM (5 days ago) @ HappyOlly23

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

With that money who wouldn't be able to?

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by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 10:06AM (5 days ago) @ HappyOlly23

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Hit-Girl, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 10:28AM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 10:44AM (5 days ago) @ Hit-Girl

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference

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by muppetfish @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 10:52AM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference

She slept and married with his brother :neutral

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 10:53AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral

Not while married to Liam.

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by muppetfish @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 10:55AM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.

While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel

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by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 10:56AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel

Engaged is not married. Steffy and Taylors words

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by muppetfish @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:01AM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel


Engaged is not married. Steffy and Taylors words

Isn't that brooke's mantra she's had since she Came on the show? Long before steffy ever said it.

Committed realtionship is a committed relationship imo.

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by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:03AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel


Engaged is not married. Steffy and Taylors words


Isn't that brooke's mantra she's had since she Came on the show? Long before steffy ever said it.

Committed realtionship is a committed relationship imo.

Not sure why Brooke is being brought up.

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by muppetfish @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:15AM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel


Engaged is not married. Steffy and Taylors words


Isn't that brooke's mantra she's had since she Came on the show? Long before steffy ever said it.

Committed realtionship is a committed relationship imo.


Not sure why Brooke is being brought up.

Because you make it sound like steffy and Taylor invented the phrase when it has been consistently hope's mother who throws this around to justify her own actions and uses this as advice to hope.

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by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:17AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel


Engaged is not married. Steffy and Taylors words


Isn't that brooke's mantra she's had since she Came on the show? Long before steffy ever said it.

Committed realtionship is a committed relationship imo.


Not sure why Brooke is being brought up.


Because you make it sound like steffy and Taylor invented the phrase when it has been consistently hope's mother who throws this around to justify her own actions and uses this as advice to hope.

Ok, so she used the example of her mom, taylor and steffy;-)

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by JFK, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 4:01PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel


Engaged is not married. Steffy and Taylors words


Isn't that brooke's mantra she's had since she Came on the show? Long before steffy ever said it.

Committed realtionship is a committed relationship imo.


Not sure why Brooke is being brought up.


Because you make it sound like steffy and Taylor invented the phrase when it has been consistently hope's mother who throws this around to justify her own actions and uses this as advice to hope.

:cool

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Liam to Steffy: "You are more essential to me than my own name. When has it even been over between us?"

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by Diedriu, Belgium, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:57PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel

No, that engagement was over from the moment Liam didn't show up. That was what they agreed on. Hope told him if he wanted a future with her, he would be there. He was a no show, so she moved on.

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by PatriotGirl @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 1:24PM (5 days ago) @ Diedriu

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel


No, that engagement was over from the moment Liam didn't show up. That was what they agreed on. Hope told him if he wanted a future with her, he would be there. He was a no show, so she moved on.

That isn't exactly how it was said.

Hope: So meet me there... day after tomorrow. Okay, you can't say yes right now. I-I understand that. You have to think about it. But please know that my mind is clear. I'll even consider giving the diamond back to Wyatt. 3:00 P.M., Day after tomorrow. Meet me there after we wrap.

Liam: Will he be there?

Hope: I'm not his keeper. Will you be there?

Liam: What if I am?

Hope: Then it's the beginning of the rest of our lives. Of the life that we've always wanted. In our special spot. I love you.

Nothing about their relationship being over if he didn't show...she

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by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 1:29PM (5 days ago) @ PatriotGirl

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel


No, that engagement was over from the moment Liam didn't show up. That was what they agreed on. Hope told him if he wanted a future with her, he would be there. He was a no show, so she moved on.


That isn't exactly how it was said.

Hope: So meet me there... day after tomorrow. Okay, you can't say yes right now. I-I understand that. You have to think about it. But please know that my mind is clear. I'll even consider giving the diamond back to Wyatt. 3:00 P.M., Day after tomorrow. Meet me there after we wrap.

Liam: Will he be there?

Hope: I'm not his keeper. Will you be there?

Liam: What if I am?

Hope: Then it's the beginning of the rest of our lives. Of the life that we've always wanted. In our special spot. I love you.

Nothing about their relationship being over if he didn't show...she

Yeah, but there are scenes afterward that show otherwise. They clearly stated that if Liam didn't show up they were over.

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

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by PatriotGirl @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 2:34PM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel


No, that engagement was over from the moment Liam didn't show up. That was what they agreed on. Hope told him if he wanted a future with her, he would be there. He was a no show, so she moved on.


That isn't exactly how it was said.

Hope: So meet me there... day after tomorrow. Okay, you can't say yes right now. I-I understand that. You have to think about it. But please know that my mind is clear. I'll even consider giving the diamond back to Wyatt. 3:00 P.M., Day after tomorrow. Meet me there after we wrap.

Liam: Will he be there?

Hope: I'm not his keeper. Will you be there?

Liam: What if I am?

Hope: Then it's the beginning of the rest of our lives. Of the life that we've always wanted. In our special spot. I love you.

Nothing about their relationship being over if he didn't show...she


Yeah, but there are scenes afterward that show otherwise. They clearly stated that if Liam didn't show up they were over.


Kind of dumb for them to state it after the fact and not before. I guess the goal posts had to be moved in order to justify Hope marrying Wyatt.

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by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 3:01PM (5 days ago) @ PatriotGirl

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel


No, that engagement was over from the moment Liam didn't show up. That was what they agreed on. Hope told him if he wanted a future with her, he would be there. He was a no show, so she moved on.


That isn't exactly how it was said.

Hope: So meet me there... day after tomorrow. Okay, you can't say yes right now. I-I understand that. You have to think about it. But please know that my mind is clear. I'll even consider giving the diamond back to Wyatt. 3:00 P.M., Day after tomorrow. Meet me there after we wrap.

Liam: Will he be there?

Hope: I'm not his keeper. Will you be there?

Liam: What if I am?

Hope: Then it's the beginning of the rest of our lives. Of the life that we've always wanted. In our special spot. I love you.

Nothing about their relationship being over if he didn't show...she


Yeah, but there are scenes afterward that show otherwise. They clearly stated that if Liam didn't show up they were over.


Kind of dumb for them to state it after the fact and not before. I guess the goal posts had to be moved in order to justify Hope marrying Wyatt.

I thought it was a little confusing at the time.

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by PatriotGirl @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 3:12PM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel


No, that engagement was over from the moment Liam didn't show up. That was what they agreed on. Hope told him if he wanted a future with her, he would be there. He was a no show, so she moved on.


That isn't exactly how it was said.

Hope: So meet me there... day after tomorrow. Okay, you can't say yes right now. I-I understand that. You have to think about it. But please know that my mind is clear. I'll even consider giving the diamond back to Wyatt. 3:00 P.M., Day after tomorrow. Meet me there after we wrap.

Liam: Will he be there?

Hope: I'm not his keeper. Will you be there?

Liam: What if I am?

Hope: Then it's the beginning of the rest of our lives. Of the life that we've always wanted. In our special spot. I love you.

Nothing about their relationship being over if he didn't show...she


Yeah, but there are scenes afterward that show otherwise. They clearly stated that if Liam didn't show up they were over.


Kind of dumb for them to state it after the fact and not before. I guess the goal posts had to be moved in order to justify Hope marrying Wyatt.


I thought it was a little confusing at the time.

I think I remember Hope saying that she believed in them and that she believed he would be there. She sure stopped believing fast. :lol

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Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 3:16PM (5 days ago) @ PatriotGirl

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel


No, that engagement was over from the moment Liam didn't show up. That was what they agreed on. Hope told him if he wanted a future with her, he would be there. He was a no show, so she moved on.


That isn't exactly how it was said.

Hope: So meet me there... day after tomorrow. Okay, you can't say yes right now. I-I understand that. You have to think about it. But please know that my mind is clear. I'll even consider giving the diamond back to Wyatt. 3:00 P.M., Day after tomorrow. Meet me there after we wrap.

Liam: Will he be there?

Hope: I'm not his keeper. Will you be there?

Liam: What if I am?

Hope: Then it's the beginning of the rest of our lives. Of the life that we've always wanted. In our special spot. I love you.

Nothing about their relationship being over if he didn't show...she


Yeah, but there are scenes afterward that show otherwise. They clearly stated that if Liam didn't show up they were over.


Kind of dumb for them to state it after the fact and not before. I guess the goal posts had to be moved in order to justify Hope marrying Wyatt.


I thought it was a little confusing at the time.


I think I remember Hope saying that she believed in them and that she believed he would be there. She sure stopped believing fast. :lol

Marrying Wyatt was the dumbest mistake Hope ever made, IMO. It gutted me, as a Hope/Lope fan. That and KM leaving shortly after. But all's well that ends well. Hope is back and I love how AN is portraying her. :-D

I'm kinda hoping that the spoilers don't pan out the way everyone thinks they will and Hope and Steffy will be friends after the baby switch story is over. I've always wanted Brill vs. Still. Fat chance we'll get it tho. :frown

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by JFK, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 3:56PM (5 days ago) @ PatriotGirl

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel


No, that engagement was over from the moment Liam didn't show up. That was what they agreed on. Hope told him if he wanted a future with her, he would be there. He was a no show, so she moved on.


That isn't exactly how it was said.

Hope: So meet me there... day after tomorrow. Okay, you can't say yes right now. I-I understand that. You have to think about it. But please know that my mind is clear. I'll even consider giving the diamond back to Wyatt. 3:00 P.M., Day after tomorrow. Meet me there after we wrap.

Liam: Will he be there?

Hope: I'm not his keeper. Will you be there?

Liam: What if I am?

Hope: Then it's the beginning of the rest of our lives. Of the life that we've always wanted. In our special spot. I love you.

Nothing about their relationship being over if he didn't show...she


Yeah, but there are scenes afterward that show otherwise. They clearly stated that if Liam didn't show up they were over.


Kind of dumb for them to state it after the fact and not before. I guess the goal posts had to be moved in order to justify Hope marrying Wyatt.


I thought it was a little confusing at the time.


I think I remember Hope saying that she believed in them and that she believed he would be there. She sure stopped believing fast. :lol

:lol

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Liam to Steffy: "You are more essential to me than my own name. When has it even been over between us?"

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by JFK, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 3:58PM (5 days ago) @ PatriotGirl

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel


No, that engagement was over from the moment Liam didn't show up. That was what they agreed on. Hope told him if he wanted a future with her, he would be there. He was a no show, so she moved on.


That isn't exactly how it was said.

Hope: So meet me there... day after tomorrow. Okay, you can't say yes right now. I-I understand that. You have to think about it. But please know that my mind is clear. I'll even consider giving the diamond back to Wyatt. 3:00 P.M., Day after tomorrow. Meet me there after we wrap.

Liam: Will he be there?

Hope: I'm not his keeper. Will you be there?

Liam: What if I am?

Hope: Then it's the beginning of the rest of our lives. Of the life that we've always wanted. In our special spot. I love you.

Nothing about their relationship being over if he didn't show...she


Yeah, but there are scenes afterward that show otherwise. They clearly stated that if Liam didn't show up they were over.


Kind of dumb for them to state it after the fact and not before. I guess the goal posts had to be moved in order to justify Hope marrying Wyatt.

No where in the scenes between Ivy and Liam trying to get to Hope get Liam EVER say he nneds to be there or it's over. No where deos Hope say to Wyatt if Liam isn;t ehre, I know it's over.

BUT notice where Hope palced Liam on the below the level of a diamond - "I'll even consider giving the diamond back to Wyatt."

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Liam to Steffy: "You are more essential to me than my own name. When has it even been over between us?"

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Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 4:03PM (5 days ago) @ JFK

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel


No, that engagement was over from the moment Liam didn't show up. That was what they agreed on. Hope told him if he wanted a future with her, he would be there. He was a no show, so she moved on.


That isn't exactly how it was said.

Hope: So meet me there... day after tomorrow. Okay, you can't say yes right now. I-I understand that. You have to think about it. But please know that my mind is clear. I'll even consider giving the diamond back to Wyatt. 3:00 P.M., Day after tomorrow. Meet me there after we wrap.

Liam: Will he be there?

Hope: I'm not his keeper. Will you be there?

Liam: What if I am?

Hope: Then it's the beginning of the rest of our lives. Of the life that we've always wanted. In our special spot. I love you.

Nothing about their relationship being over if he didn't show...she


Yeah, but there are scenes afterward that show otherwise. They clearly stated that if Liam didn't show up they were over.


Kind of dumb for them to state it after the fact and not before. I guess the goal posts had to be moved in order to justify Hope marrying Wyatt.


No where in the scenes between Ivy and Liam trying to get to Hope get Liam EVER say he nneds to be there or it's over. No where deos Hope say to Wyatt if Liam isn;t ehre, I know it's over.

BUT notice where Hope palced Liam on the below the level of a diamond - "I'll even consider giving the diamond back to Wyatt."

A few months ago the transcripts were posted here in which both Hope and Liam said they had an agreement that if he didn't show up at 3:00 they were done. It wasn't said before they left but it was definitely an agreement they had.

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by JFK, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 4:10PM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel


No, that engagement was over from the moment Liam didn't show up. That was what they agreed on. Hope told him if he wanted a future with her, he would be there. He was a no show, so she moved on.


That isn't exactly how it was said.

Hope: So meet me there... day after tomorrow. Okay, you can't say yes right now. I-I understand that. You have to think about it. But please know that my mind is clear. I'll even consider giving the diamond back to Wyatt. 3:00 P.M., Day after tomorrow. Meet me there after we wrap.

Liam: Will he be there?

Hope: I'm not his keeper. Will you be there?

Liam: What if I am?

Hope: Then it's the beginning of the rest of our lives. Of the life that we've always wanted. In our special spot. I love you.

Nothing about their relationship being over if he didn't show...she


Yeah, but there are scenes afterward that show otherwise. They clearly stated that if Liam didn't show up they were over.


Kind of dumb for them to state it after the fact and not before. I guess the goal posts had to be moved in order to justify Hope marrying Wyatt.


No where in the scenes between Ivy and Liam trying to get to Hope get Liam EVER say he nneds to be there or it's over. No where deos Hope say to Wyatt if Liam isn;t ehre, I know it's over.

BUT notice where Hope palced Liam on the below the level of a diamond - "I'll even consider giving the diamond back to Wyatt."


A few months ago the transcripts were posted here in which both Hope and Liam said they had an agreement that if he didn't show up at 3:00 they were done. It wasn't said before they left but it was definitely an agreement they had.

It wasn't standing before or during. It it still doesn'rt jsutify Hope putting the daimopnd ABOVE her so supposing "love of my life". Unless that's exactly how shallow Hope is.

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Liam to Steffy: "You are more essential to me than my own name. When has it even been over between us?"

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 4:26PM (5 days ago) @ JFK

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference

She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel


No, that engagement was over from the moment Liam didn't show up. That was what they agreed on. Hope told him if he wanted a future with her, he would be there. He was a no show, so she moved on.


That isn't exactly how it was said.

Hope: So meet me there... day after tomorrow. Okay, you can't say yes right now. I-I understand that. You have to think about it. But please know that my mind is clear. I'll even consider giving the diamond back to Wyatt. 3:00 P.M., Day after tomorrow. Meet me there after we wrap.

Liam: Will he be there?

Hope: I'm not his keeper. Will you be there?

Liam: What if I am?

Hope: Then it's the beginning of the rest of our lives. Of the life that we've always wanted. In our special spot. I love you.

Nothing about their relationship being over if he didn't show...she


Yeah, but there are scenes afterward that show otherwise. They clearly stated that if Liam didn't show up they were over.


Kind of dumb for them to state it after the fact and not before. I guess the goal posts had to be moved in order to justify Hope marrying Wyatt.


No where in the scenes between Ivy and Liam trying to get to Hope get Liam EVER say he nneds to be there or it's over. No where deos Hope say to Wyatt if Liam isn;t ehre, I know it's over.

BUT notice where Hope palced Liam on the below the level of a diamond - "I'll even consider giving the diamond back to Wyatt."


A few months ago the transcripts were posted here in which both Hope and Liam said they had an agreement that if he didn't show up at 3:00 they were done. It wasn't said before they left but it was definitely an agreement they had.


It wasn't standing before or during. It it still doesn'rt jsutify Hope putting the daimopnd ABOVE her so supposing "love of my life". Unless that's exactly how shallow Hope is.

Hope should not have to choose between a diamond she gave to Forrester and Liam. Its not like she had to choose between father and son

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by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 5:56PM (5 days ago) @ JFK

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference

She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel


No, that engagement was over from the moment Liam didn't show up. That was what they agreed on. Hope told him if he wanted a future with her, he would be there. He was a no show, so she moved on.


That isn't exactly how it was said.

Hope: So meet me there... day after tomorrow. Okay, you can't say yes right now. I-I understand that. You have to think about it. But please know that my mind is clear. I'll even consider giving the diamond back to Wyatt. 3:00 P.M., Day after tomorrow. Meet me there after we wrap.

Liam: Will he be there?

Hope: I'm not his keeper. Will you be there?

Liam: What if I am?

Hope: Then it's the beginning of the rest of our lives. Of the life that we've always wanted. In our special spot. I love you.

Nothing about their relationship being over if he didn't show...she


Yeah, but there are scenes afterward that show otherwise. They clearly stated that if Liam didn't show up they were over.


Kind of dumb for them to state it after the fact and not before. I guess the goal posts had to be moved in order to justify Hope marrying Wyatt.


No where in the scenes between Ivy and Liam trying to get to Hope get Liam EVER say he nneds to be there or it's over. No where deos Hope say to Wyatt if Liam isn;t ehre, I know it's over.

BUT notice where Hope palced Liam on the below the level of a diamond - "I'll even consider giving the diamond back to Wyatt."


A few months ago the transcripts were posted here in which both Hope and Liam said they had an agreement that if he didn't show up at 3:00 they were done. It wasn't said before they left but it was definitely an agreement they had.


It wasn't standing before or during. It it still doesn'rt jsutify Hope putting the daimopnd ABOVE her so supposing "love of my life". Unless that's exactly how shallow Hope is.

Doesn't matter. It was clearly stated afterward that that's what both characters believed. It had nothing to do with her putting that diamond above Liam. They had an understanding. Quinn manipulated things so it would appear that Liam didn't show up. Case closed.

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by ShirleyB#1, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 6:51PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


Not while married to Liam.


While engaged to Liam. Like that is any less of a betrayel

steffy shacked up with wyatts brother while married to him then after she married liam, she rode his dad.... hard,, and thought she could be pregnant by him.

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by JFK, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 3:54PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral

:cool

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Liam to Steffy: "You are more essential to me than my own name. When has it even been over between us?"

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by cranberryboy, Monday, May 20, 2019, 9:59PM (21 hours, 20 minutes ago) @ JFK

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral


:cool

Yup. And Hope did it because she loved the attention. Steffy was upset and Vulnerable.

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by LadyMac @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 4:02PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference


She slept and married with his brother :neutral

So did Steffy... what's your point?

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by ShortandSassy, Home of the Carolina Panthers :), Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:37PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Didn't Hope and Steffy both do this so the point is what?? Steffy broke her vows was what Lucky's post about Hope said very clearly if Liam didn't show he was making a choice not to be with her, you can't be engaged to a person you're not with! She wasn't having sex with him while wearing another man's ring like Steffy did twice (Wyatt and Bill). Brooke may have done this or that but Steffy and Taylor have done the same thing things lol.

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by ceelo, antigua, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 5:15PM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Not to me. Hope didnt sleep with his father, she is just over the top depressed. Big difference

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by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 10:45AM (5 days ago) @ Hit-Girl

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.

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by muppetfish @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 10:59AM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.

Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.

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by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:02AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.

I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish

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by muppetfish @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:11AM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish

The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things

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by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:13AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things

ok. I dont have time to list all of the selfish things Steffy has done.

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by muppetfish @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:17AM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


ok. I dont have time to list all of the selfish things Steffy has done.

Don't worry, i know steffy has done plenty selfish things herself. Not denying that at all.

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by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:19AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


ok. I dont have time to list all of the selfish things Steffy has done.


Don't worry, i know steffy has done plenty selfish things herself. Not denying that at all.


And Hope has done selfish things too. Just not as many:lol (this is a joke)

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by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:44AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things

Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?

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by muppetfish @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:02PM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?

Nope, hope has never been judged the way other characters have been judged. On and off screen.

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:04PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


Nope, hope has never been judged the way other characters have been judged. On and off screen.

totally disagree. Hope is judged 1000 times a day on this board alone. From her eyebrows to her toenails

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by muppetfish @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:07PM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


Nope, hope has never been judged the way other characters have been judged. On and off screen.


totally disagree. Hope is judged 1000 times a day on this board alone. From her eyebrows to her toenails

Same as steffy is Constantly Being bashed.
Hope always Gets a free pass on screen.

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by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:10PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


Nope, hope has never been judged the way other characters have been judged. On and off screen.


totally disagree. Hope is judged 1000 times a day on this board alone. From her eyebrows to her toenails


Same as steffy is Constantly Being bashed.
Hope always Gets a free pass on screen.

On screen, it is the writers world. Free pass from what? Going after what she wanted for once? For which Steffy is praised for, by the way

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by muppetfish @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:13PM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


Nope, hope has never been judged the way other characters have been judged. On and off screen.


totally disagree. Hope is judged 1000 times a day on this board alone. From her eyebrows to her toenails


Same as steffy is Constantly Being bashed.
Hope always Gets a free pass on screen.


On screen, it is the writers world. Free pass from what? Going after what she wanted for once? For which Steffy is praised for, by the way

The pills come to mind. Only Liam took her a little to Task about that and even then it was quickly written of as poor hope. Same with hope ending up with Wyatt. The characters never hold hope accountable for her actions and Decisions. Now that i come to think of it, Bill is the only one who didn't let her get away with her excuses untill he drank the Logan coolaide in the form of Brooke.

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:17PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


Nope, hope has never been judged the way other characters have been judged. On and off screen.


totally disagree. Hope is judged 1000 times a day on this board alone. From her eyebrows to her toenails


Same as steffy is Constantly Being bashed.
Hope always Gets a free pass on screen.


On screen, it is the writers world. Free pass from what? Going after what she wanted for once? For which Steffy is praised for, by the way


The pills come to mind. Only Liam took her a little to Task about that and even then it was quickly written of as poor hope. Same with hope ending up with Wyatt. The characters never hold hope accountable for her actions and Decisions. Now that i come to think of it, Bill is the only one who didn't let her get away with her excuses untill he drank the Logan coolaide in the form of Brooke.

What about the 10 anxiety pills should Hope be bashed for? What should happen to her for taking about 10 anxiety pills?

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Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:22PM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.

Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


Nope, hope has never been judged the way other characters have been judged. On and off screen.


totally disagree. Hope is judged 1000 times a day on this board alone. From her eyebrows to her toenails


Same as steffy is Constantly Being bashed.
Hope always Gets a free pass on screen.


On screen, it is the writers world. Free pass from what? Going after what she wanted for once? For which Steffy is praised for, by the way


The pills come to mind. Only Liam took her a little to Task about that and even then it was quickly written of as poor hope. Same with hope ending up with Wyatt. The characters never hold hope accountable for her actions and Decisions. Now that i come to think of it, Bill is the only one who didn't let her get away with her excuses untill he drank the Logan coolaide in the form of Brooke.

What about the 10 anxiety pills should Hope be bashed for? What should happen to her for taking about 10 anxiety pills?

People forget that the reason she even started taking the pills was because Bill bugged her doctor's office then set the paparazzi on her in Aspen to drive up her anxiety. And Amber forged a note from her doctor to get her to take pills she bought on the internet. But Hope is supposed to be some sort of junkie. :oops

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:24PM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.

Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.

I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


Nope, hope has never been judged the way other characters have been judged. On and off screen.


totally disagree. Hope is judged 1000 times a day on this board alone. From her eyebrows to her toenails


Same as steffy is Constantly Being bashed.
Hope always Gets a free pass on screen.


On screen, it is the writers world. Free pass from what? Going after what she wanted for once? For which Steffy is praised for, by the way


The pills come to mind. Only Liam took her a little to Task about that and even then it was quickly written of as poor hope. Same with hope ending up with Wyatt. The characters never hold hope accountable for her actions and Decisions. Now that i come to think of it, Bill is the only one who didn't let her get away with her excuses untill he drank the Logan coolaide in the form of Brooke.

What about the 10 anxiety pills should Hope be bashed for? What should happen to her for taking about 10 anxiety pills?


People forget that the reason she even started taking the pills was because Bill bugged her doctor's office then set the paparazzi on her in Aspen to drive up her anxiety. And Amber forged a note from her doctor to get her to take pills she bought on the internet. But Hope is supposed to be some sort of junkie. :oops

Exactly. Just like all of Steffy's bullying, anger, violence, is swept under the rug, but Hope should be called out on everything. Why?

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Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:20PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


Nope, hope has never been judged the way other characters have been judged. On and off screen.


totally disagree. Hope is judged 1000 times a day on this board alone. From her eyebrows to her toenails


Same as steffy is Constantly Being bashed.
Hope always Gets a free pass on screen.


On screen, it is the writers world. Free pass from what? Going after what she wanted for once? For which Steffy is praised for, by the way


The pills come to mind. Only Liam took her a little to Task about that and even then it was quickly written of as poor hope. Same with hope ending up with Wyatt. The characters never hold hope accountable for her actions and Decisions. Now that i come to think of it, Bill is the only one who didn't let her get away with her excuses untill he drank the Logan coolaide in the form of Brooke.

What about Steffy's history of violence? That was even mentioned on screen by Liam, who said people always get hurt when she's around. That just magically went away. Thorne didn't even say a word to Steffy when he came back about what happened to Aly.

All that stuff, the pills, the marrying Wyatt, they're plot points like everything else.

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by ShortandSassy, Home of the Carolina Panthers :), Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 3:13AM (16 hours, 5 minutes ago) @ muppetfish

Steffy slept with her father in law and her family blamed him for taking advantage of her, told Liam it was ONE mistake (which was a lie) and he needed to forgive/forget about it and go back to her. All her scheming and lying was ok even though Hope could have gotten hurt because Steffy was insecure which was Liam's fault (she knew when she set out to break them up with Bills help he loved Hope but it was still all his fault per her family and fans). Her stealing Katie's ring was on Bill. Her making out with a married Bill was a ok for her but not Brooke or Hope lmao... If Hope had bought a baby for 250k and offered Steffy's husband to be the father the week she lost her daughter all **** would have broken lose on the boards. Why because it's disrespectful to try and replace one daughter with another. That's just some of the crap we have been dealt that has been white washed about Steffy. The fact I hear she alone got the company back still annoys me because it's a flat out lie!!! Unless Eric, Taylor, Ridge and Stephanie wrote the checks for the money they couldn't get the company back. It was also Stephanie that made them lose the company everytime.

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Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:13PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


Nope, hope has never been judged the way other characters have been judged. On and off screen.

What does this even mean? You think the writers are portraying her one way while they are really secretly writing her another? Are they giving us subliminal messages? Cuz, all I ever see and hear is how good of a person Hope is.

And what do you mean she's never been judged off screen? On message boards? Is there a requirement to call out every action of our favorite characters?

Seems like there's an effort every day to make it sound like Hope is just as bad as Steffy. Who cares who has done worse things? Every show has a good girl type and a more calculating girl type. They're both essential characters and the two actresses portraying them are awesome. It would be like comparing Brooke to Katie. Hands down Brooke has done worse. Tons worse. Doesn't mean Brooke fans have to call her out on soap forums.

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by muppetfish @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:16PM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


Nope, hope has never been judged the way other characters have been judged. On and off screen.


What does this even mean? You think the writers are portraying her one way while they are really secretly writing her another? Are they giving us subliminal messages? Cuz, all I ever see and hear is how good of a person Hope is.

And what do you mean she's never been judged off screen? On message boards? Is there a requirement to call out every action of our favorite characters?

Seems like there's an effort every day to make it sound like Hope is just as bad as Steffy? Who cares who has done worse things? Every show has a good girl type and a more calculating girl type. They're both essential characters and the two actresses portraying them are awesome. It would be like comparing Brooke to Katie. Hands down Brooke has done worse. Tons worse. Doesn't mean Brooke fans have to call her out on soap forums.

Sounds like propping to me... Have every character say the same Nice thing about a character everyday for months on end like that would rewrite the selfish things she's done since she returned.

Why the need to Constantly say it? Shouldn't that characters actions speak for itself? Unless of course the actions don't match the sermon. :whistle

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:19PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


Nope, hope has never been judged the way other characters have been judged. On and off screen.


What does this even mean? You think the writers are portraying her one way while they are really secretly writing her another? Are they giving us subliminal messages? Cuz, all I ever see and hear is how good of a person Hope is.

And what do you mean she's never been judged off screen? On message boards? Is there a requirement to call out every action of our favorite characters?

Seems like there's an effort every day to make it sound like Hope is just as bad as Steffy? Who cares who has done worse things? Every show has a good girl type and a more calculating girl type. They're both essential characters and the two actresses portraying them are awesome. It would be like comparing Brooke to Katie. Hands down Brooke has done worse. Tons worse. Doesn't mean Brooke fans have to call her out on soap forums.


Sounds like propping to me... Have every character say the same Nice thing about a character everyday for months on end like that would rewrite the selfish things she's done since she returned.

Why the need to Constantly say it? Shouldn't that characters actions speak for itself? Unless of course the actions don't match the sermon. :whistle

They do it all the time. We had the whole cheer seessions for Steffy and LEFFY before. I agree they can be over the top!!

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by muppetfish @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:26PM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


Nope, hope has never been judged the way other characters have been judged. On and off screen.


What does this even mean? You think the writers are portraying her one way while they are really secretly writing her another? Are they giving us subliminal messages? Cuz, all I ever see and hear is how good of a person Hope is.

And what do you mean she's never been judged off screen? On message boards? Is there a requirement to call out every action of our favorite characters?

Seems like there's an effort every day to make it sound like Hope is just as bad as Steffy? Who cares who has done worse things? Every show has a good girl type and a more calculating girl type. They're both essential characters and the two actresses portraying them are awesome. It would be like comparing Brooke to Katie. Hands down Brooke has done worse. Tons worse. Doesn't mean Brooke fans have to call her out on soap forums.


Sounds like propping to me... Have every character say the same Nice thing about a character everyday for months on end like that would rewrite the selfish things she's done since she returned.

Why the need to Constantly say it? Shouldn't that characters actions speak for itself? Unless of course the actions don't match the sermon. :whistle


They do it all the time. We had the whole cheer seessions for Steffy and LEFFY before. I agree they can be over the top!!

Yeah, they go overboard with it. Like no one has anything Else to talk about

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:27PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


Nope, hope has never been judged the way other characters have been judged. On and off screen.


What does this even mean? You think the writers are portraying her one way while they are really secretly writing her another? Are they giving us subliminal messages? Cuz, all I ever see and hear is how good of a person Hope is.

And what do you mean she's never been judged off screen? On message boards? Is there a requirement to call out every action of our favorite characters?

Seems like there's an effort every day to make it sound like Hope is just as bad as Steffy? Who cares who has done worse things? Every show has a good girl type and a more calculating girl type. They're both essential characters and the two actresses portraying them are awesome. It would be like comparing Brooke to Katie. Hands down Brooke has done worse. Tons worse. Doesn't mean Brooke fans have to call her out on soap forums.


Sounds like propping to me... Have every character say the same Nice thing about a character everyday for months on end like that would rewrite the selfish things she's done since she returned.

Why the need to Constantly say it? Shouldn't that characters actions speak for itself? Unless of course the actions don't match the sermon. :whistle


They do it all the time. We had the whole cheer seessions for Steffy and LEFFY before. I agree they can be over the top!!


Yeah, they go overboard with it. Like no one has anything Else to talk about

agreed!!! YAY!!;-)

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by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:31PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


Nope, hope has never been judged the way other characters have been judged. On and off screen.


What does this even mean? You think the writers are portraying her one way while they are really secretly writing her another? Are they giving us subliminal messages? Cuz, all I ever see and hear is how good of a person Hope is.

And what do you mean she's never been judged off screen? On message boards? Is there a requirement to call out every action of our favorite characters?

Seems like there's an effort every day to make it sound like Hope is just as bad as Steffy? Who cares who has done worse things? Every show has a good girl type and a more calculating girl type. They're both essential characters and the two actresses portraying them are awesome. It would be like comparing Brooke to Katie. Hands down Brooke has done worse. Tons worse. Doesn't mean Brooke fans have to call her out on soap forums.


Sounds like propping to me... Have every character say the same Nice thing about a character everyday for months on end like that would rewrite the selfish things she's done since she returned.

Why the need to Constantly say it? Shouldn't that characters actions speak for itself? Unless of course the actions don't match the sermon. :whistle


They do it all the time. We had the whole cheer seessions for Steffy and LEFFY before. I agree they can be over the top!!


Yeah, they go overboard with it. Like no one has anything Else to talk about

I remember, back when KM was Hope, there was a scene where Hope walked into Quinn and Wyatt's shop and Hope was wearing all white, and they had a sort of spot light on her. It made her look kind of angelic. I think it was to show Hope's goodness through Wyatt's eyes. Even I had to admit that was pretty over the top. ;-)

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Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:24PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


Nope, hope has never been judged the way other characters have been judged. On and off screen.


What does this even mean? You think the writers are portraying her one way while they are really secretly writing her another? Are they giving us subliminal messages? Cuz, all I ever see and hear is how good of a person Hope is.

And what do you mean she's never been judged off screen? On message boards? Is there a requirement to call out every action of our favorite characters?

Seems like there's an effort every day to make it sound like Hope is just as bad as Steffy? Who cares who has done worse things? Every show has a good girl type and a more calculating girl type. They're both essential characters and the two actresses portraying them are awesome. It would be like comparing Brooke to Katie. Hands down Brooke has done worse. Tons worse. Doesn't mean Brooke fans have to call her out on soap forums.


Sounds like propping to me... Have every character say the same Nice thing about a character everyday for months on end like that would rewrite the selfish things she's done since she returned.

Why the need to Constantly say it? Shouldn't that characters actions speak for itself? Unless of course the actions don't match the sermon. :whistle

Her actions do show she's a good person. She's not supposed to be perfect. No one is. But Hope is a saint by soap opera standards.

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by JFK, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 5:38PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


Nope, hope has never been judged the way other characters have been judged. On and off screen.


What does this even mean? You think the writers are portraying her one way while they are really secretly writing her another? Are they giving us subliminal messages? Cuz, all I ever see and hear is how good of a person Hope is.

And what do you mean she's never been judged off screen? On message boards? Is there a requirement to call out every action of our favorite characters?

Seems like there's an effort every day to make it sound like Hope is just as bad as Steffy? Who cares who has done worse things? Every show has a good girl type and a more calculating girl type. They're both essential characters and the two actresses portraying them are awesome. It would be like comparing Brooke to Katie. Hands down Brooke has done worse. Tons worse. Doesn't mean Brooke fans have to call her out on soap forums.


Sounds like propping to me... Have every character say the same Nice thing about a character everyday for months on end like that would rewrite the selfish things she's done since she returned.

Why the need to Constantly say it? Shouldn't that characters actions speak for itself? Unless of course the actions don't match the sermon. :whistle

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Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Hit-Girl, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:46PM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?

She is lying and leaving her grieving husband when he needs her the most! No matter how you slice it, it is very insensitive!

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:47PM (5 days ago) @ Hit-Girl

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


She is lying and leaving her grieving husband when he needs her the most! No matter how you slice it, it is very insensitive!

Liam still has a family. Hope thinks she doesnt, but since they are going to seperate under false manipulations, LOPE will be back, I have no fear

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Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 1:28PM (5 days ago) @ Hit-Girl

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


She is lying and leaving her grieving husband when he needs her the most! No matter how you slice it, it is very insensitive!

That's how you see it? Okay, then. But that goes against what's in the dialogue and even what Annika Noelle has said. Check out my sig line.

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by MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 4:31PM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


She is lying and leaving her grieving husband when he needs her the most! No matter how you slice it, it is very insensitive!


That's how you see it? Okay, then. But that goes against what's in the dialogue and even what Annika Noelle has said. Check out my sig line.

I'm pretty sure Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin thought the same when they were trying to get their kids into USC on the sly. Doesn't every parent want what is best for the kids? I realize my example is a bit over the top, but the ends don't justify the means.

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Still Hoping for the Future...


Team Putz...nah, just kidding!

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 4:32PM (5 days ago) @ MsBold

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


She is lying and leaving her grieving husband when he needs her the most! No matter how you slice it, it is very insensitive!


That's how you see it? Okay, then. But that goes against what's in the dialogue and even what Annika Noelle has said. Check out my sig line.


I'm pretty sure Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin thought the same when they were trying to get their kids into USC on the sly. Doesn't every parent want what is best for the kids? I realize my example is a bit over the top, but the ends don't justify the means.

And it landed her in jail, and ruined college for the kids involved

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Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 4:43PM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


She is lying and leaving her grieving husband when he needs her the most! No matter how you slice it, it is very insensitive!


That's how you see it? Okay, then. But that goes against what's in the dialogue and even what Annika Noelle has said. Check out my sig line.


I'm pretty sure Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin thought the same when they were trying to get their kids into USC on the sly. Doesn't every parent want what is best for the kids? I realize my example is a bit over the top, but the ends don't justify the means.


And it landed her in jail, and ruined college for the kids involved

Only because they got caught! :lol

I don't think Hope is deliberately being selfish. I don't know what she is being. But dumping her husband who did nothing wrong isn't nice or praiseworthy - even if it is "for the babies". I'd say misguided or thoughtless is appropriate. Again, the ends don't justify the means.

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Still Hoping for the Future...


Team Putz...nah, just kidding!

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 4:44PM (5 days ago) @ MsBold

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


She is lying and leaving her grieving husband when he needs her the most! No matter how you slice it, it is very insensitive!


That's how you see it? Okay, then. But that goes against what's in the dialogue and even what Annika Noelle has said. Check out my sig line.


I'm pretty sure Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin thought the same when they were trying to get their kids into USC on the sly. Doesn't every parent want what is best for the kids? I realize my example is a bit over the top, but the ends don't justify the means.


And it landed her in jail, and ruined college for the kids involved


Only because they got caught! :lol

I don't think Hope is deliberately being selfish. I don't know what she is being. But dumping her husband who did nothing wrong isn't nice or praiseworthy - even if it is "for the babies". I'd say misguided or thoughtless is appropriate. Again, the ends don't justify the means.

But, when Steffy did it over her grief, she was called a heroine. I dont see the difference

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Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 4:53PM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.

Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.


I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


She is lying and leaving her grieving husband when he needs her the most! No matter how you slice it, it is very insensitive!


That's how you see it? Okay, then. But that goes against what's in the dialogue and even what Annika Noelle has said. Check out my sig line.


I'm pretty sure Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin thought the same when they were trying to get their kids into USC on the sly. Doesn't every parent want what is best for the kids? I realize my example is a bit over the top, but the ends don't justify the means.


And it landed her in jail, and ruined college for the kids involved


Only because they got caught! :lol

I don't think Hope is deliberately being selfish. I don't know what she is being. But dumping her husband who did nothing wrong isn't nice or praiseworthy - even if it is "for the babies". I'd say misguided or thoughtless is appropriate. Again, the ends don't justify the means.


But, when Steffy did it over her grief, she was called a heroine. I dont see the difference

When? Back when she miscarried?

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Still Hoping for the Future...


Team Putz...nah, just kidding!

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 4:54PM (5 days ago) @ MsBold

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.

Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.

I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish


The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


She is lying and leaving her grieving husband when he needs her the most! No matter how you slice it, it is very insensitive!


That's how you see it? Okay, then. But that goes against what's in the dialogue and even what Annika Noelle has said. Check out my sig line.


I'm pretty sure Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin thought the same when they were trying to get their kids into USC on the sly. Doesn't every parent want what is best for the kids? I realize my example is a bit over the top, but the ends don't justify the means.


And it landed her in jail, and ruined college for the kids involved


Only because they got caught! :lol

I don't think Hope is deliberately being selfish. I don't know what she is being. But dumping her husband who did nothing wrong isn't nice or praiseworthy - even if it is "for the babies". I'd say misguided or thoughtless is appropriate. Again, the ends don't justify the means.


But, when Steffy did it over her grief, she was called a heroine. I dont see the difference


When? Back when she miscarried?

Yup, and she was glorified for it. Hope is crucified and called names

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Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 5:03PM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.

Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.

I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish

The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things


Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


She is lying and leaving her grieving husband when he needs her the most! No matter how you slice it, it is very insensitive!


That's how you see it? Okay, then. But that goes against what's in the dialogue and even what Annika Noelle has said. Check out my sig line.


I'm pretty sure Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin thought the same when they were trying to get their kids into USC on the sly. Doesn't every parent want what is best for the kids? I realize my example is a bit over the top, but the ends don't justify the means.


And it landed her in jail, and ruined college for the kids involved


Only because they got caught! :lol

I don't think Hope is deliberately being selfish. I don't know what she is being. But dumping her husband who did nothing wrong isn't nice or praiseworthy - even if it is "for the babies". I'd say misguided or thoughtless is appropriate. Again, the ends don't justify the means.


But, when Steffy did it over her grief, she was called a heroine. I dont see the difference


When? Back when she miscarried?


Yup, and she was glorified for it. Hope is crucified and called names

I thought she was pretty selfish for doing that as well. She just took off. So, that is my opinion. I can't speak for others, and don't really keep track of the general opinion on issues. Why would she even be considered a heroine for that?

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Still Hoping for the Future...


Team Putz...nah, just kidding!

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 5:11PM (5 days ago) @ MsBold

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.

Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.

I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish

The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things

Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?


She is lying and leaving her grieving husband when he needs her the most! No matter how you slice it, it is very insensitive!


That's how you see it? Okay, then. But that goes against what's in the dialogue and even what Annika Noelle has said. Check out my sig line.


I'm pretty sure Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin thought the same when they were trying to get their kids into USC on the sly. Doesn't every parent want what is best for the kids? I realize my example is a bit over the top, but the ends don't justify the means.


And it landed her in jail, and ruined college for the kids involved


Only because they got caught! :lol

I don't think Hope is deliberately being selfish. I don't know what she is being. But dumping her husband who did nothing wrong isn't nice or praiseworthy - even if it is "for the babies". I'd say misguided or thoughtless is appropriate. Again, the ends don't justify the means.


But, when Steffy did it over her grief, she was called a heroine. I dont see the difference


When? Back when she miscarried?


Yup, and she was glorified for it. Hope is crucified and called names


I thought she was pretty selfish for doing that as well. She just took off. So, that is my opinion. I can't speak for others, and don't really keep track of the general opinion on issues. Why would she even be considered a heroine for that?

Because she gave up Liam for his happiness. Hope is doing the same. I guess it is just a way to make Liam the forever good guy, and all blame on the girls. I am so over the triangle. I quit yesrs ago over the original triangle. Ugg:lol

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Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 5:30PM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.

Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.

I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish

The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things

Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?

She is lying and leaving her grieving husband when he needs her the most! No matter how you slice it, it is very insensitive!


That's how you see it? Okay, then. But that goes against what's in the dialogue and even what Annika Noelle has said. Check out my sig line.


I'm pretty sure Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin thought the same when they were trying to get their kids into USC on the sly. Doesn't every parent want what is best for the kids? I realize my example is a bit over the top, but the ends don't justify the means.


And it landed her in jail, and ruined college for the kids involved


Only because they got caught! :lol

I don't think Hope is deliberately being selfish. I don't know what she is being. But dumping her husband who did nothing wrong isn't nice or praiseworthy - even if it is "for the babies". I'd say misguided or thoughtless is appropriate. Again, the ends don't justify the means.


But, when Steffy did it over her grief, she was called a heroine. I dont see the difference


When? Back when she miscarried?


Yup, and she was glorified for it. Hope is crucified and called names


I thought she was pretty selfish for doing that as well. She just took off. So, that is my opinion. I can't speak for others, and don't really keep track of the general opinion on issues. Why would she even be considered a heroine for that?


Because she gave up Liam for his happiness. Hope is doing the same. I guess it is just a way to make Liam the forever good guy, and all blame on the girls. I am so over the triangle. I quit yesrs ago over the original triangle. Ugg:lol

Liam = yuck. :lol

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Still Hoping for the Future...


Team Putz...nah, just kidding!

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 5:37PM (5 days ago) @ MsBold

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!

The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.

Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.

I will believe that when the writers write her as selfish, and they are not in any way. Shes being stupid, but not selfish

The writers already displayed her selfish behaviour on many occasions.

- Making hftf about her wedding even tough Liam didn't want that

- publicly anouncing her celebacy untill marriage without talking to Liam

- Constantly wanting everything to be perfect with no regard for reality / liam's view

- Demanding steams annulment on multiple occasions ,even tough steffy and Liam were fine with divorce, because hope wanted to get married Faster

- trying to ruin livy because she was jealous Liam moved on despite Being married and pregnant with Wyatt

- changing her mind the minute something isn't perfect are doesn't go as planned

- Demanding redo's after she changes her mind again with no regard for others' feelings / situation

Not saying hope is the only selfish character, just saying she has done plenty selfish things

Isn't it strange that so many other characters say how UNSELFISH Hope is if she's supposedly written as a selfish character?

She is lying and leaving her grieving husband when he needs her the most! No matter how you slice it, it is very insensitive!

That's how you see it? Okay, then. But that goes against what's in the dialogue and even what Annika Noelle has said. Check out my sig line.


I'm pretty sure Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin thought the same when they were trying to get their kids into USC on the sly. Doesn't every parent want what is best for the kids? I realize my example is a bit over the top, but the ends don't justify the means.


And it landed her in jail, and ruined college for the kids involved


Only because they got caught! :lol

I don't think Hope is deliberately being selfish. I don't know what she is being. But dumping her husband who did nothing wrong isn't nice or praiseworthy - even if it is "for the babies". I'd say misguided or thoughtless is appropriate. Again, the ends don't justify the means.


But, when Steffy did it over her grief, she was called a heroine. I dont see the difference


When? Back when she miscarried?


Yup, and she was glorified for it. Hope is crucified and called names


I thought she was pretty selfish for doing that as well. She just took off. So, that is my opinion. I can't speak for others, and don't really keep track of the general opinion on issues. Why would she even be considered a heroine for that?


Because she gave up Liam for his happiness. Hope is doing the same. I guess it is just a way to make Liam the forever good guy, and all blame on the girls. I am so over the triangle. I quit yesrs ago over the original triangle. Ugg:lol


Liam = yuck. :lol

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by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:11AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.

Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.

We don't know if the spoilers will come to fruition. It could be that Hope and Liam are about to split up but don't. There is a spoiler that Steffy will support them. (Annika's Emmy interview). My guess is that she will tell Thomas to stop manipulating them. But even if they do split, that doesn't mean they can't get back together.

It just isn't true that Hope is treating Liam badly. Or that she's selfish. The ENTIRE story line has been about her selflessly putting the girls needs before her own. No one can get inside a character's head and say that their actions come from a selfish place. Do you have a direct line to the writing team?

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by muppetfish @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:14AM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.

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by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:15AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.

Have the writers pointed out even once that Hope is being selfish? Not even a hint

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by muppetfish @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:18AM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Have the writers pointed out even once that Hope is being selfish? Not even a hint

She has done plenty selfish things, like every character on this show

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by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:20AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Have the writers pointed out even once that Hope is being selfish? Not even a hint


She has done plenty selfish things, like every character on this show

Sure she has, everyone does, but not for THIS storyline. Dumb, naive, and trusting the wrong person: Yes

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by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:47AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.

Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.

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by muppetfish @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:54AM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.

Didn't miss anything and it's Not genuine imo. As i said, if that were Truly the case she would have felt guilty about this before when she wasn't yet pregnant and set to Larry Liam while steffy was still pregnant.

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by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:57AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.


Didn't miss anything and it's Not genuine imo. As i said, if that were Truly the case she would have felt guilty about this before when she wasn't yet pregnant and set to Larry Liam while steffy was still pregnant.

It is genuine from the writers point of view, and that is the view that is out there. Hate changes how we see things sometimes.

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by muppetfish @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:06PM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.


Didn't miss anything and it's Not genuine imo. As i said, if that were Truly the case she would have felt guilty about this before when she wasn't yet pregnant and set to Larry Liam while steffy was still pregnant.


It is genuine from the writers point of view, and that is the view that is out there. Hate changes how we see things sometimes.

It is not the view that is out there because it is Being debated and i see plenty viewers doubting hope's sincerity.

Certainly because it is written in Stone that hope Will want Liam back the minute the truth Comes out and it wouldn't matter if steam had 10 more children by then. Hope would want her do over. No character progression At all.

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by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:09PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.


Didn't miss anything and it's Not genuine imo. As i said, if that were Truly the case she would have felt guilty about this before when she wasn't yet pregnant and set to Larry Liam while steffy was still pregnant.


It is genuine from the writers point of view, and that is the view that is out there. Hate changes how we see things sometimes.


It is not the view that is out there because it is Being debated and i see plenty viewers doubting hope's sincerity.

Certainly because it is written in Stone that hope Will want Liam back the minute the truth Comes out and it wouldn't matter if steam had 10 more children by then. Hope would want her do over. No character progression At all.

again, it is all opinions on what the writers are writing. I also see alot of fans that believe what the writers say, that Hope is guilty, broken, and easily manipulated. She feels less of a woman than ever. Empty. Not whole. She is drawn to a baby she doesnt THINK is hers, but it is. I just dont see selfishness, Just stupidity and naivety on Hopes part. Thomas is scum

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by PatriotGirl @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:09PM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.


Didn't miss anything and it's Not genuine imo. As i said, if that were Truly the case she would have felt guilty about this before when she wasn't yet pregnant and set to Larry Liam while steffy was still pregnant.


It is genuine from the writers point of view, and that is the view that is out there. Hate changes how we see things sometimes.

Disliking a character doesn't necessarily equate to hating that character. Nor does interpreting things on the show differently. JMO

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by JFK, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 4:02PM (5 days ago) @ PatriotGirl

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.


Didn't miss anything and it's Not genuine imo. As i said, if that were Truly the case she would have felt guilty about this before when she wasn't yet pregnant and set to Larry Liam while steffy was still pregnant.


It is genuine from the writers point of view, and that is the view that is out there. Hate changes how we see things sometimes.


Disliking a character doesn't necessarily equate to hating that character. Nor does interpreting things on the show differently. JMO

Thank you.

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by ShortandSassy, Home of the Carolina Panthers :), Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 3:30AM (15 hours, 48 minutes ago) @ Lucky13

AMEN PREACH!!! Bell who wrote the storyline and would know, the actress and the actor have all said it's about the children. She isn't doing this to be selfish. She is doing this out of love for Liam and both girls.

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Love with no regrets!!

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by PatriotGirl @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:58AM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.


Didn't miss anything and it's Not genuine imo. As i said, if that were Truly the case she would have felt guilty about this before when she wasn't yet pregnant and set to Larry Liam while steffy was still pregnant.

Yep. :cool

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by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:04PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.


Didn't miss anything and it's Not genuine imo. As i said, if that were Truly the case she would have felt guilty about this before when she wasn't yet pregnant and set to Larry Liam while steffy was still pregnant.

Then you must have missed the other part of the story too, where Hope was supportive of Liam and Steffy's marriage and told him more than once to go back to her for the sake of their family. It was only after she saw how mess up in the head Liam was when he shot Bill that she pulled that support. In fact, she told him to go back to her even AFTER she learned that Steffy had slept with Bill.

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by JFK, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 9:34PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.


Didn't miss anything and it's Not genuine imo. As i said, if that were Truly the case she would have felt guilty about this before when she wasn't yet pregnant and set to marry Liam while Steffy was still pregnant.

:cool

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by PatriotGirl @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:57AM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.

Only because she thinks she no longer has Liam's kid. I think that will disappear once she gets Beth back. Kelly will be put in the backseat again.

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by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:58AM (5 days ago) @ PatriotGirl

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.


Only because she thinks she no longer has Liam's kid. I think that will disappear once she gets Beth back. Kelly will be put in the backseat again.

Which is normal. My kids are better and more important than anyone elses to me. Except the grandkids, they are even better than my kids:lol :lol

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by PatriotGirl @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:00PM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.


Only because she thinks she no longer has Liam's kid. I think that will disappear once she gets Beth back. Kelly will be put in the backseat again.


Which is normal. My kids are better and more important than anyone elses to me. Except the grandkids, they are even better than my kids:lol :lol

Then I hope Steffy insists that he put Kelly first and we'll see how Hope likes it.

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by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:03PM (5 days ago) @ PatriotGirl

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.


Only because she thinks she no longer has Liam's kid. I think that will disappear once she gets Beth back. Kelly will be put in the backseat again.


Which is normal. My kids are better and more important than anyone elses to me. Except the grandkids, they are even better than my kids:lol :lol


Then I hope Steffy insists that he put Kelly first and we'll see how Hope likes it.

Steffy would be a horrible mother if she didnt put Kelly first. Liam will be in a pickle. Both babies are his. Do you honestly think Steffy would put Beth before Kelly? Or Douglas before Kelly?

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by muppetfish @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:09PM (5 days ago) @ PatriotGirl

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.


Only because she thinks she no longer has Liam's kid. I think that will disappear once she gets Beth back. Kelly will be put in the backseat again.


Which is normal. My kids are better and more important than anyone elses to me. Except the grandkids, they are even better than my kids:lol :lol


Then I hope Steffy insists that he put Kelly first and we'll see how Hope likes it.

:cool

How long would it take for Brooke to march over to steffy and demand she take a step back? :lol

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by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:11PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.


Only because she thinks she no longer has Liam's kid. I think that will disappear once she gets Beth back. Kelly will be put in the backseat again.


Which is normal. My kids are better and more important than anyone elses to me. Except the grandkids, they are even better than my kids:lol :lol


Then I hope Steffy insists that he put Kelly first and we'll see how Hope likes it.


:cool

How long would it take for Brooke to march over to steffy and demand she take a step back? :lol

How long did it take Taylor?

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by JFK, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 5:34PM (5 days ago) @ PatriotGirl

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.


Only because she thinks she no longer has Liam's kid. I think that will disappear once she gets Beth back. Kelly will be put in the backseat again.


Which is normal. My kids are better and more important than anyone elses to me. Except the grandkids, they are even better than my kids:lol :lol


Then I hope Steffy insists that he put Kelly first and we'll see how Hope likes it.

Right! First born comes first!

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by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:08PM (5 days ago) @ PatriotGirl

Disagree with this. The sl isn't hope feeling bad for Kelly and phoeboe. If that
we're the case, it should have happened last year when she was trying to Rush marry Liam before Kelly was born so he couldn't change his mind.


Well, I'm sorry that you missed that part. Because it has been made abundantly clear that Hope feels guilty that she is keeping the girls from their father.


Only because she thinks she no longer has Liam's kid. I think that will disappear once she gets Beth back. Kelly will be put in the backseat again.

Kelly won't be pushed into the back seat. They will resume their original plan of having a blended family.

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

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by ShirleyB#1, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 6:57PM (5 days ago) @ muppetfish

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


Spoilers state that their marriage crumbles so they are heading for splitsvil.
so this is a done deal?
Imo hope is acting kind of selfish... It's all about her and Liam isn't getting a second thought. Like he didn't lose his daughter and cousin. Her actions may seem altruistic / selfless but actually come from a very selfish place. If hope stopped her pitty party she might realise that.

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by Hit-Girl, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:44PM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.

But they won't be together anymore by the day Steffy returns! Because she is going to walk away from her grieving husband! The one she is already keeping secrets from! Disgusting! If Liam was ditching his grieving wife for Steffy, you would sing a different tune!

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by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 1:27PM (5 days ago) @ Hit-Girl

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


But they won't be together anymore by the day Steffy returns! Because she is going to walk away from her grieving husband! The one she is already keeping secrets from! Disgusting! If Liam was ditching his grieving wife for Steffy, you would sing a different tune!

It has been made more than clear that she wants to send Liam back to Steffy for UNSELFISH reasons. It has nothing to do with her neglecting her grieving husband. And it's also been made clear that she's doing so because Thomas is manipulating her grief. Sheesh.

The real question in this story is whether or not Steffy will want to even take Liam back after she pledged to support Hope and Liam. I tend to believe she won't.

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

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by Hit-Girl, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 1:35PM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


But they won't be together anymore by the day Steffy returns! Because she is going to walk away from her grieving husband! The one she is already keeping secrets from! Disgusting! If Liam was ditching his grieving wife for Steffy, you would sing a different tune!


It has been made more than clear that she wants to send Liam back to Steffy for UNSELFISH reasons. It has nothing to do with her neglecting her grieving husband. And it's also been made clear that she's doing so because Thomas is manipulating her grief. Sheesh.

The real question in this story is whether or not Steffy will want to even take Liam back after she pledged to support Hope and Liam. I tend to believe she won't.

Clear to YOU! A lot of viewers have different interpretations of what is shown! I am a more Liam fan, and think Hope has been treating him abysmally since the miscarriage! She doesn't care that her husband is grieving too, it's all about her and what SHE wants! He tells her he wants to be with her, but she is ditching anyway! Soon she is going to hurt Thomas and Douglas too, because we all know the moment she gets her baby back, she will shout ROBBED and demand he comes back to her! Sorry, can't stand her!

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by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 1:53PM (5 days ago) @ Hit-Girl

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


But they won't be together anymore by the day Steffy returns! Because she is going to walk away from her grieving husband! The one she is already keeping secrets from! Disgusting! If Liam was ditching his grieving wife for Steffy, you would sing a different tune!


It has been made more than clear that she wants to send Liam back to Steffy for UNSELFISH reasons. It has nothing to do with her neglecting her grieving husband. And it's also been made clear that she's doing so because Thomas is manipulating her grief. Sheesh.

The real question in this story is whether or not Steffy will want to even take Liam back after she pledged to support Hope and Liam. I tend to believe she won't.


Clear to YOU! A lot of viewers have different interpretations of what is shown! I am a more Liam fan, and think Hope has been treating him abysmally since the miscarriage! She doesn't care that her husband is grieving too, it's all about her and what SHE wants! He tells her he wants to be with her, but she is ditching anyway! Soon she is going to hurt Thomas and Douglas too, because we all know the moment she gets her baby back, she will shout ROBBED and demand he comes back to her! Sorry, can't stand her!

You really think the story Bell has been telling is that Hope is acting selfishly and deliberately hurting Liam?

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

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by ShirleyB#1, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 6:59PM (5 days ago) @ Hit-Girl

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!


Huh? Hope and Liam are together. She isn't treating him like crap. Far from it.


But they won't be together anymore by the day Steffy returns! Because she is going to walk away from her grieving husband! The one she is already keeping secrets from! Disgusting! If Liam was ditching his grieving wife for Steffy, you would sing a different tune!

why should Hope have to tell that Thomas kissed her? steffy thought she didn't have to tell what all she did to her father in law.

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by Heather172, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 1:17PM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Maybe you should pay more attention to the spoilers for next week..... Lope are toast, .... JUst saying...

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by JFK, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 3:51PM (5 days ago) @ Hit-Girl

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


How is Steffy supposed to support Hope and Liam they are not even together and if Hope herself if treating him like crap? If she shows Hope the same support Hope showed her when Liam was living at the hotel, it won't end well for Hope! I think Steffy will support them IF they are together! If Hope leaves him and he doesn't want to fight for his marriage anymore, Steffy has no reason to stay away from Liam! As long as she doesn't kiss him and tell him to divorce his wife like Hope did last summer, she will he better!

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Liam to Steffy: "You are more essential to me than my own name. When has it even been over between us?"

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by mutzi, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:14AM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.

Thank you! I was going to say that; the Me Too movement is not about "single independent women". It is about coming forward about sexual abuse. I have to admit I like Steffy better than in the past; but, sorry, a woman with a full time nanny, a very well paying job, and a strong family support system is not necessarily a strong independent mother with a career. A strong independent woman is one who balances career, children, and the total upkeep of the home on her own (as so many women in this country do) without a huge bank account and a full time nanny.

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by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:16AM (5 days ago) @ mutzi

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


Thank you! I was going to say that; the Me Too movement is not about "single independent women". It is about coming forward about sexual abuse. I have to admit I like Steffy better than in the past; but, sorry, a woman with a full time nanny, a very well paying job, and a strong family support system is not necessarily a strong independent mother with a career. A strong independent woman is one who balances career, children, and the total upkeep of the home on her own (as so many women in this country do) without a huge bank account and a full time nanny.

I agree. However, I cant like Steffy. Every time I say anything nice, I get a Hope bash in return, so I absolutely refuse to like Steffy in any way:lol

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by mutzi, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:43AM (5 days ago) @ Lucky13

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


Thank you! I was going to say that; the Me Too movement is not about "single independent women". It is about coming forward about sexual abuse. I have to admit I like Steffy better than in the past; but, sorry, a woman with a full time nanny, a very well paying job, and a strong family support system is not necessarily a strong independent mother with a career. A strong independent woman is one who balances career, children, and the total upkeep of the home on her own (as so many women in this country do) without a huge bank account and a full time nanny.


I agree. However, I cant like Steffy. Every time I say anything nice, I get a Hope bash in return, so I absolutely refuse to like Steffy in any way:lol

:cool I understand completely. :-D The all too frequent baiting on this board (on all sides about almost all characters) is why I am cutting down on my posts.

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by Drangonfly, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:51AM (5 days ago) @ mutzi

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


Thank you! I was going to say that; the Me Too movement is not about "single independent women". It is about coming forward about sexual abuse. I have to admit I like Steffy better than in the past; but, sorry, a woman with a full time nanny, a very well paying job, and a strong family support system is not necessarily a strong independent mother with a career. A strong independent woman is one who balances career, children, and the total upkeep of the home on her own (as so many women in this country do) without a huge bank account and a full time nanny.


I agree. However, I cant like Steffy. Every time I say anything nice, I get a Hope bash in return, so I absolutely refuse to like Steffy in any way:lol


:cool I understand completely. :-D The all too frequent baiting on this board (on all sides about almost all characters) is why I am cutting down on my posts.

The only thing that makes me want to bash Steffy is reading a post that bashes Hope. Especially with wildly exaggerate stuff that goes completely against what was seen and heard on screen.

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

Is Steffy being rewritten purposely to represent...

by Lucky13, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:56AM (5 days ago) @ Drangonfly

Is keeping Steffy as a strong, independent single mother who is also career successful as part of the MeToo Movement? It shows that women can rear a family, be career success and doen't need to rely on a man. Go Steffy!


The Me Too movement is about sexual abuse. But I am very interested in seeing what Steffy does if/when Hope and Liam break up. The way she was written right before she left for Paris, I don't see her wanting Liam back. If she does, it would be a step back from the woman that gave those speeches last summer. I think she's actually going to support Hope and Liam. I think she'll do this by telling her crazy brother to back off.


Thank you! I was going to say that; the Me Too movement is not about "single independent women". It is about coming forward about sexual abuse. I have to admit I like Steffy better than in the past; but, sorry, a woman with a full time nanny, a very well paying job, and a strong family support system is not necessarily a strong independent mother with a career. A strong independent woman is one who balances career, children, and the total upkeep of the home on her own (as so many women in this country do) without a huge bank account and a full time nanny.


I agree. However, I cant like Steffy. Every time I say anything nice, I get a Hope bash in return, so I absolutely refuse to like Steffy in any way:lol


:cool I understand completely. :-D The all too frequent baiting on this board (on all sides about almost all characters) is why I am cutting down on my posts.


The only thing that makes me want to bash Steffy is reading a post that bashes Hope. Especially with wildly exaggerate stuff that goes completely against what was seen

Totally agree with both of you! I can be so very nice, but I will defend my girl

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by Ilovebizzie, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 11:44AM (5 days ago) @ HappyOlly23

That’s not what I see, I see it that Bell was just sending the message that Steffy will always wait for Liam and never have another romantic interest. I think he put the Leo scene on solely to stick it to anyone who supports Steffy moving on and say, “screw you, non-Steam fans: even when a hot hunk likes Steffy, she won’t even go on one date with him.”

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by l.c @, Thursday, May 16, 2019, 12:41PM (5 days ago) @ HappyOlly23

There is nothing strong and independant about a woman who keeps daydreaming about her ex and admiring his portrait every times she is alone in her house. And who reminds her parents that Hope stole her family. Wwill give her some credit if Liam comes back begging her and she shuts the door on his face. But I doubt it will happen.

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by cranberryboy, Monday, May 20, 2019, 9:54PM (21 hours, 24 minutes ago) @ l.c

There is nothing strong and independant about a woman who keeps daydreaming about her ex and admiring his portrait every times she is alone in her house. And who reminds her parents that Hope stole her family. Wwill give her some credit if Liam comes back begging her and she shuts the door on his face. But I doubt it will happen.

Unless maybe Steffy has true love for Liam, unlike Hope.

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