*SPOILER* - According to TV Watercooler... (Spoilers)

hopeyougogirl, 11/23/2020, 3:08PM(58 days ago) @Zaneygray

Didn't Thomas call Hope and ask her to bring Douglas over for dinner after Liam had left for Steffy's? And anyway, Hope doesn't need to get permission from Liam for every move she makes. She is Douglas's mother. She has every right to be there with him if he's having dinner with Thomas. She's not keeping it secret from Liam.

Is Thomas after Hope? Or is it mental illness? Because on the outside, and even when he is thinking clearly, Thomas seems to be moving on from his obsession with Hope. How could any one know that he's having an internal struggle, because of some mental issue?

Hope is giving him a chance because she wants him to be better, for Douglas.

Hope wasn't meant to stay. The dinner was supposed to be with Thomas and Douglas. No one is saying Hope needs permission. It is called communication. The fact that she didn't communicate it and didn't give Liam the heads up means it is secretive and disrespectful.

Thomas is not scheming and manipulating to get Hope back but there are red flags that he is struggling to move on. No one knows he is having hallucinations but there is enough evidence that he is struggling - e.g. the mannequin of Hope, lying about not knowing where the mannequin is, and praising Hope.

Hope is ignoring it because she prefers to live in a fantasy. She proved it when she complained about Liam's concerns and not everything is pleasant. Hope is just making the issue worse and what Hope is doing is not good for Douglas either.

I agree. Hope wasn't meant to stay and Thomas hadn't planned for her to do so. And Hope does prefer to live in a fantasy. She showed her real colors about wanting her fantasy life the other day when she went off on Liam and ran out of the office after exclaiming, "Why couldn't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine and then you had to go over there and incite him!"

Hope is only and always about her perfect fantasy world.

Wanting to have a life that isn't chaotic is not fantasy. That's normal.

Hope didn't say anything about chaos. She grew visibly upset and reamed Liam out and ran out with that exclamation. Liam just told her that Thomas has a Hope Manniquin and that is Hope's response? That is not about normal, that is about wanting to have a perfect fantasy world.

She didn't actually use the word chaotic or chaos, but if I remember correctly she said something about "peace". And it's a reality that things have been peaceful..Hope and Steffy are getting along and the trio has been managing this blended family thing pretty well. And Thomas hasn't made any romantic moves on Hope, so in her mind, Liam is over reacting. Even Steffy sided with Hope and told Liam that her brother isn't obsessed with Hope.

Yes, the doll is weird, but at the moment, Liam doesn't have any hard proof that Thomas is sabotaging Lope. That's my observation.

I went back through the transcript and I didn't see her use the word peace. She said, "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant? Everything has been fine, and then you just-- you had to go and incite him!" and then proceeded to run out in tears, straight to Thomas. That question of "Just why can't everything just stay pleasant?" says to me: "Why can't we continue to have our perfect fantasy world? You are ruining it". Hope has a history of this very thing, being upset that her perfect fantasy world has been somehow ruined and running off. That's my opinion.

Okay, so she used the word pleasant, not peace..but to me, the word pleasant is basically the same as not wanting chaos. I'm pretty confident that Steffy wants the same thing..everything to stay pleasant, so does that mean Steffy wants to live in the perfect fantasy world too?

And the fact that the trio have been getting along and doing what's best for the kids showed that it's a reality achievable by these parents..that it's not some fantasy out of reach. Plus, Thomas has been acting "normal" saying all the right things in front of BOTH Hope and Steffy which gave the two women no reason to be suspicious of him. IMO.

Steffy wants to believe the best in her brother, but she isn't the one that got upset the way Hope did, nor did she say what Hope said, so it's really not comparable, imo.

If by the trio, you mean Steffy, Hope and Liam, then I'm not sure I agree that they truly have been getting along. Hope has shown signs of not liking all the time that Liam has spent with Steffy and Kelly, imo. Has it been best for the kids in not having Beth and Kelly together? Liam hasn't brought Beth to visit her sister. He hasn't brought Kelly to the cabin since Steffy came home. And how does Thomas fit into the trio? Liam certainly isn't happy about Hope not listening to him about Thomas, and we've seen them disagreeing and arguing more than once. Hope and Steffy seem to be getting along, but even Steffy saw signs that made her question whether Hope really was ok with things. And the way Hope ran out after basically accusing Liam of ruining her pleasant world says to me that what she wants really is her fantasy world, not reality. IMO.

Steffy just said it again today that who would of thought her and Hope would actually get along and Liam acknowledged too that their blended family thing has been going well....so again, it's a reality that's already been achieved, NOT a fantasy. And Hope just proved herself that she has no issues with Liam spending time with Kelly and Steffy..she did encourage Liam to go to that beach party after all. Let's not forget, when Steffy was in rehab, Kelly lived with Hope, Liam, Beth and Douglas at the cabin..so the kids all get along too.

And things have been pleasant including Douglas/Thomas relationship..until Liam tried to convince BOTH women that Thomas hasn't changed. Thomas isn't acting up in front of Hope and Steffy..he's been saying all the right things, so both women have no reason to doubt he's not improving.

Curious though that Kelly hasn't seen her sister at all, or Douglas either for that matter. If it's not a fantasy, then Liam will have no problem bringing his issue to Hope when he sees what he sees later this week. That's the whole point. Lope SEEM to get along...until something happens to spoil the fantasy.

Obviously, we differ in our views. I think it's best that we agree to disagree. Moving on.

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