Help me understand Steffy (General)

by GracieGirl, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 9:16AM (261 days ago)

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?

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by IW, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 9:23AM (261 days ago) @ GracieGirl

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?

she is just as desperate as the other members of her crazy family of killers. Taylor has always been obsessed with Ridge, and she still is. Stephanie lied and schemed all her life to take Eric from Beth, Donna and Brooke. Thomas is obsessed with Hope and Steffy is the same with Liam. This is running in the family. All predators and killers.

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by GracieGirl, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 9:35AM (261 days ago) @ IW

So you’re saying Steffy doesn’t care, really? Why is her self-esteem so low? Even during my most insecure days, I wouldn’t allow any guy to do that to me.

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by Drangonfly @, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 9:40AM (261 days ago) @ GracieGirl

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?

Steffy is a much more interesting character when she's a bad girl. IMO, they dulled her character down in order to pair her up with Liam. She was a bad a$$, edgy, take no prisoners type of character before she met him. The kind of character that viewers loved to hate. Scheming, manipulating, blackmailing, man stealing. You name it. Then suddenly she was married and watching Bob Hope movies.

And recently it's been even worse. For the last year or so she's done nothing but fold laundry and listen in on the baby monitor. Literally. That's been her story.

Good Steffy is boring. This show needs bad Steffy.

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"All she can think about is the well-being of these beautiful babies. It’s not about her at all. And she just wants what’s best for everyone involved.” - Annika Noelle on Hope

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by GracieGirl, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 10:34AM (261 days ago) @ Drangonfly

The character flaws for these characters are so wimpy. What happened to sexy sassy Steffy? She can grow and not be so wicked but where is her edge? Where is her fire?

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by Drangonfly @, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 11:22AM (261 days ago) @ GracieGirl

The character flaws for these characters are so wimpy. What happened to sexy sassy Steffy? She can grow and not be so wicked but where is her edge? Where is her fire?

It went out the window when she was paired with Liam. Liam would never be with someone who lies, manipulates, and blackmails people. So, they had to change who Steffy is in order to create the Steam pairing.

They did the Steffy character a real injustice, if you ask me. We don't need two young "good" girls. Hope is the good girl. They should have left Steffy as the young Brooke.

There is nothing wrong with a character being "bad". Brooke is bad. Really bad at times. But she has legions of fans who support her no matter what. They could have done that with Steffy. Kept her edgy but rootable.

I despise Steffy, because she's my favorite's nemesis. But I'm glad she's on the show. She's a VERY interesting character when she's written like this.

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by Lilgan ⌂ @, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 10:56AM (261 days ago) @ Drangonfly

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?


Steffy is a much more interesting character when she's a bad girl. IMO, they dulled her character down in order to pair her up with Liam. She was a bad a$$, edgy, take no prisoners type of character before she met him. The kind of character that viewers loved to hate. Scheming, manipulating, blackmailing, man stealing. You name it. Then suddenly she was married and watching Bob Hope movies.

And recently it's been even worse. For the last year or so she's done nothing but fold laundry and listen in on the baby monitor. Literally. That's been her story.

Good Steffy is boring. This show needs bad Steffy.

I never saw what made this character strong.
Steffy has always been weak, riddled with with insecurities and fear of abandonment.
All of her efforts to be agressive and go after what she wants was just a way to disguise it.
This girl had an epic meltdown because Ridge left Taylor at the altar and went back to Brooke.
She was begging like a child for Ridge to stay with them. I see nothing strong about that.
Hope didn’t cry when Ridge or Nick left her mom and she was way younger than Steffy.

That being said, she was less boring then.

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by Drangonfly @, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 11:25AM (261 days ago) @ Lilgan

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?


Steffy is a much more interesting character when she's a bad girl. IMO, they dulled her character down in order to pair her up with Liam. She was a bad a$$, edgy, take no prisoners type of character before she met him. The kind of character that viewers loved to hate. Scheming, manipulating, blackmailing, man stealing. You name it. Then suddenly she was married and watching Bob Hope movies.

And recently it's been even worse. For the last year or so she's done nothing but fold laundry and listen in on the baby monitor. Literally. That's been her story.

Good Steffy is boring. This show needs bad Steffy.


I never saw what made this character strong.
Steffy has always been weak, riddled with with insecurities and fear of abandonment.
All of her efforts to be agressive and go after what she wants was just a way to disguise it.
This girl had an epic meltdown because Ridge left Taylor at the altar and went back to Brooke.
She was begging like a child for Ridge to stay with them. I see nothing strong about that.
Hope didn’t cry when Ridge or Nick left her mom and she was way younger than Steffy.

That being said, she was less boring then.

She certainly did a lot of her nasty actions because of her insecurities, that's true. But, you're right. She wasn't boring then. Laundry folding Steffy is boring.

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by Shimster @, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 11:41AM (261 days ago) @ Drangonfly

I think the old Steffy will be back thanks to Thomas. The look on her face when she and Liam realized Hope was standing there was evil, not guilt.

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by Mariposaa, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 1:06PM (261 days ago) @ Drangonfly

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?


Steffy is a much more interesting character when she's a bad girl. IMO, they dulled her character down in order to pair her up with Liam. She was a bad a$$, edgy, take no prisoners type of character before she met him. The kind of character that viewers loved to hate. Scheming, manipulating, blackmailing, man stealing. You name it. Then suddenly she was married and watching Bob Hope movies.

And recently it's been even worse. For the last year or so she's done nothing but fold laundry and listen in on the baby monitor. Literally. That's been her story.

Good Steffy is boring. This show needs bad Steffy.

How is that a good thing for her character? I hated her so much. She actually made Hope look better than her. She was selfish and wicked and vile and disgusting to the core. How is that relatable? How would that make her interesting? It makes her look weak and immature.

Steffy can be a boss in style and all that, she doesn't need to regress.

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by Drangonfly @, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 1:18PM (261 days ago) @ Mariposaa

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?


Steffy is a much more interesting character when she's a bad girl. IMO, they dulled her character down in order to pair her up with Liam. She was a bad a$$, edgy, take no prisoners type of character before she met him. The kind of character that viewers loved to hate. Scheming, manipulating, blackmailing, man stealing. You name it. Then suddenly she was married and watching Bob Hope movies.

And recently it's been even worse. For the last year or so she's done nothing but fold laundry and listen in on the baby monitor. Literally. That's been her story.

Good Steffy is boring. This show needs bad Steffy.


How is that a good thing for her character? I hated her so much. She actually made Hope look better than her. She was selfish and wicked and vile and disgusting to the core. How is that relatable? How would that make her interesting? It makes her look weak and immature.

Steffy can be a boss in style and all that, she doesn't need to regress.

She doesn't have to regress all the way back. They should write her like they do Brooke. A good person that will sometimes do things for selfish reasons. The way Brooke is written, she is still rootable. She has so many good qualities. Of course, she's always going to have fans who hate her character, as will Steffy. But that's how it is with soaps.

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by Barbybo, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 10:33AM (261 days ago) @ GracieGirl

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?

It’s disgusting liam hanging at Steffys he’s certainly in no hurry to go after her....a little sun outside passing time ho hum he’s a jerk

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by Lope2.0, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 11:18AM (261 days ago) @ Barbybo

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?


It’s disgusting liam hanging at Steffys he’s certainly in no hurry to go after her....a little sun outside passing time ho hum he’s a jerk

So Liam is a disgusting jerk because he watched a movie with his daughter and spend the night on the couch with her.
.. but Steff happily tells him he is welcomed here, lies through her teeth, conspires with her brother, throws herself at a vulnerable man while pretending she is supporting him, manipulates him, willingly goes along with another person to sabotage his relationship, doesn't tell him Thomas is stil obsessed with Hope and doesn't tell him she set him up... but no blame? Nothing?
I completely, and totally disagree.

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by Drangonfly @, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 11:28AM (261 days ago) @ Lope2.0

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?


It’s disgusting liam hanging at Steffys he’s certainly in no hurry to go after her....a little sun outside passing time ho hum he’s a jerk


So Liam is a disgusting jerk because he watched a movie with his daughter and spend the night on the couch with her.
.. but Steff happily tells him he is welcomed here, lies through her teeth, conspires with her brother, throws herself at a vulnerable man while pretending she is supporting him, manipulates him, willingly goes along with another person to sabotage his relationship, doesn't tell him Thomas is stil obsessed with Hope and doesn't tell him she set him up... but no blame? Nothing?
I completely, and totally disagree.

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by Barbybo, Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 7:23AM (260 days ago) @ Lope2.0

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?


It’s disgusting liam hanging at Steffys he’s certainly in no hurry to go after her....a little sun outside passing time ho hum he’s a jerk


So Liam is a disgusting jerk because he watched a movie with his daughter and spend the night on the couch with her.
.. but Steff happily tells him he is welcomed here, lies through her teeth, conspires with her brother, throws herself at a vulnerable man while pretending she is supporting him, manipulates him, willingly goes along with another person to sabotage his relationship, doesn't tell him Thomas is stil obsessed with Hope and doesn't tell him she set him up... but no blame? Nothing?
I completely, and totally disagree.

Liam should find a new run to place ..his brothers or dads.....I see Hope wasn’t thrilled he hung out there would any gal be thrilled..doubt it..he walked out on Hope runs there so dumb

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by Lilgan ⌂ @, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 10:47AM (261 days ago) @ GracieGirl
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You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?


Steffy is this way because of Taylor/Stephanie/Brooke.

Taylor never recovered after she lost Ridge.
Taylor and Stephanie created a fake narrative about Brooke stealing Ridge even though Taylor lost Ridge because she cheated and lied about it for years. They told the kids time and time again that Brooke used her sexuality to steal Ridge from Tridge family when it wasn’t true.

Phoebe was the only Tridge kid who was around Taylor/Ridge/Brooke in 2006-2007, so she knew that there were more to that story. She saw how her mother started unraveling, turned to alcohol, killed Darla etc... Phoebe also saw how much Brooke and Ridge loved each other because she lived with them with RJ and Hope.
Phoebe didn’t turn on Brooke because she knew better.
Steffy was at a boarding school and Thomas was traveling.
They didn’t know what started Taylor’s fall from grace. By the time they came back they only had Stephanie and Taylor’s version that they internalized.
Just think about it: Steffy turned into a vixen circa 2010 and that was the time Taylor became bitter and obsessed with getting her life with Ridge back. Even when she was with other men she still wanted Ridge and blamed Brooke.

Taylor also made her kids believe that she was a victim of Brooke and she didn’t fight enough for her marriage. Steffy got scared of turning into a weak bitter woman like Taylor so she adopted what she thought gave Brooke the win over her mom: sexuality and manipulations.
Steffy then became aggressive in her pursuit of unavailable men. She thought that pulling a Brooke, would get her what she wants.
However Steffy is still her mother’s daughter so she also got all of her mother’s insecurities and neediness.
Every time she failed to get what she wanted, she threw temper tantrums like a kid.

This is why this character was/is so off putting to me.
She got all of Taylor’s flaws wrapped in Brooke’s characterization.
Steffy also look down on her mother for not fighting enough.
Steffy doesn’t realize that she’s reached the point where she will always wait for the man she wants to come to her and won’t allow herself to be happy with someone else. The same mistake Taylor made.

Not that Liam is a prize but Steffy thinks he is.
Her biggest achievement, something she took from a Logan. She wants to win where her mother failed.

I think deep down Liam knows it too. He knows that no matter how hard he kick her down, Steffy will always land on her feet and come back for more. That’s why he’s been using her as an emotions dumping ground. He doesn’t get selfish and paranoid about her with other men the way he gets with Hope because there is no real fear of losing Steffy.

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by Ilovebizzie, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 1:31PM (261 days ago) @ Lilgan

This is a great analysis! This is exactly what I think about Steffy and “Steam”. It’s that Steffy has to cling on to her “win” of taking a man from a Logan, to avenge her mother and also as you said, in hopes of not ending up like her.

Steffy needs friends and a counselor to tell her she is actually sabotaging her own happiness this way.

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by Barbybo, Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 1:22PM (260 days ago) @ Lilgan

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?

Steffy is this way because of Taylor/Stephanie/Brooke.

Taylor never recovered after she lost Ridge.
Taylor and Stephanie created a fake narrative about Brooke stealing Ridge even though Taylor lost Ridge because she cheated and lied about it for years. They told the kids time and time again that Brooke used her sexuality to steal Ridge from Tridge family when it wasn’t true.

Phoebe was the only Tridge kid who was around Taylor/Ridge/Brooke in 2006-2007, so she knew that there were more to that story. She saw how her mother started unraveling, turned to alcohol, killed Darla etc... Phoebe also saw how much Brooke and Ridge loved each other because she lived with them with RJ and Hope.
Phoebe didn’t turn on Brooke because she knew better.
Steffy was at a boarding school and Thomas was traveling.
They didn’t know what started Taylor’s fall from grace. By the time they came back they only had Stephanie and Taylor’s version that they internalized.
Just think about it: Steffy turned into a vixen circa 2010 and that was the time Taylor became bitter and obsessed with getting her life with Ridge back. Even when she was with other men she still wanted Ridge and blamed Brooke.

Taylor also made her kids believe that she was a victim of Brooke and she didn’t fight enough for her marriage. Steffy got scared of turning into a weak bitter woman like Taylor so she adopted what she thought gave Brooke the win over her mom: sexuality and manipulations.
Steffy then became aggressive in her pursuit of unavailable men. She thought that pulling a Brooke, would get her what she wants.
However Steffy is still her mother’s daughter so she also got all of her mother’s insecurities and neediness.
Every time she failed to get what she wanted, she threw temper tantrums like a kid.

This is why this character was/is so off putting to me.
She got all of Taylor’s flaws wrapped in Brooke’s characterization.
Steffy also look down on her mother for not fighting enough.
Steffy doesn’t realize that she’s reached the point where she will always wait for the man she wants to come to her and won’t allow herself to be happy with someone else. The same mistake Taylor made.

Not that Liam is a prize but Steffy thinks he is.
Her biggest achievement, something she took from a Logan. She wants to win where her mother failed.

I think deep down Liam knows it too. He knows that no matter how hard he kick her down, Steffy will always land on her feet and come back for more. That’s why he’s been using her as an emotions dumping ground. He doesn’t get selfish and paranoid about her with other men the way he gets with Hope because there is no real fear of losing Steffy.

And with Hope he has to watch her cause she’s dumb as a rock, pretty sad character that ditzy Hope

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by BabyKelly, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 11:09AM (261 days ago) @ GracieGirl

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?

Steffy has shown more maturity, class and growth than any other woman on this show. She has stayed single, away from Liam and supported Hope's marriage, focused on her daughter and her career for 2 years. This is much longer than Brooke, Taylor, Hope and other women. I am not gonna put her down because she isn't able to turn off her feelings for Liam. He is the father of her child and the man she has loved for 10 years, and he is free. Like Thomas said yesterday, she doesn't owe anything to Hope. I don't agree with everything she does, but I find her less desperate and much stronger than her mother and Hope/Brooke.

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by Shimster @, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 11:58AM (261 days ago) @ BabyKelly
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Liam is may be free. However, his feelings for Hope are still very deep and he wants a future with her. I say good for Steffy if she takes him back on a total rebound, manipulation, and lie. It will, yet again, blow up in her face and he will go running back to Hope. I find it interesting it takes a village of scheming and manipulating to keep Lope apart and so much effort for Steffy to land Liam. Seems Steffy gets him by default every time.

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by hopeyougogirl, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 12:12PM (261 days ago) @ BabyKelly

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?


Steffy has shown more maturity, class and growth than any other woman on this show. She has stayed single, away from Liam and supported Hope's marriage, focused on her daughter and her career for 2 years. This is much longer than Brooke, Taylor, Hope and other women. I am not gonna put her down because she isn't able to turn off her feelings for Liam. He is the father of her child and the man she has loved for 10 years, and he is free. Like Thomas said yesterday, she doesn't owe anything to Hope. I don't agree with everything she does, but I find her less desperate and much stronger than her mother and Hope/Brooke.

Maturity, class and growth? Yet, she allowed herself to be used and manipulated by her brother..initiating that kiss on cue. She agreed to help Liam exposing Thomas, yet she's now betrayed him and switched alliance helping her evil brother instead. Let's see if she tells her father about Thomas' latest stunt? Doubt it..the twit hasn't changed one bit.

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by Shimster @, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 1:13PM (261 days ago) @ hopeyougogirl

Nah...Steffy will milk this is hopes she'll snag Liam back. Don't know how long it will take for Liam and Hope to reunite, but I'll wait.

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by Bold_Team70, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 12:00PM (261 days ago) @ GracieGirl

Would rather see Steffy move on with another man.
But if she wants Liam, so be it. He is Kelly's father, and he still loves her.
I am happy with both scenarios.
Maybe it is Hope's turn to be single for a moment.:wink

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by AmazingHope @, WONDERLAND, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 12:04PM (261 days ago) @ GracieGirl

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?

Because this will always be a rehash of Brooke/Ridge/Taylor....and Steffy is The Taylor.

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by Shimster @, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 12:07PM (261 days ago) @ AmazingHope

Exactly! Steffy is just like Taylor.

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by MsBold @, Below the Mason-Dixon line, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 1:28PM (261 days ago) @ Shimster

Exactly! Steffy is just like Taylor.

No, for the most part - Steffy has been written as a young Brooke. Until recently.

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by mutzi, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 1:20PM (261 days ago) @ GracieGirl

Because the show is largely a misogynistic, sexist joke and helps men who fantasize that any woman would throw herself at him and encourages women to think that the most important thing is to have a man, even a man with divided loyalties. And, yes, because of this I quit watching some time ago, but keep up with spoilers and enjoy the various boards.

Honestly? Because the ratings suck

by Darling1911, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 2:41PM (261 days ago) @ GracieGirl

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?

There is not one legitimate reason for Bold to throw 10 YEARS OF CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT away. None. There has been no build up or progress.

Steffy has been in MUCH more conflicted situations and not fallen back into 2010-2011 patterns of behavior.

-She didn't when Liam tore up thier annulment papers that she signed (something Hope STILL doesn't know about)
-She didn't when Liam asked her to run away with him after he was "stood up" in Italy by Hope.
-She didn't when she found out she was pregnant the first time around.
-She didn't when had the ONS with Bill. How easy would her life had been if she had just told Liam she slept with a random guy?
-She didn't in the two years of Lope dragging thier trauma and drama into her living room week after week.

She went through allll that...just to suddenly listen to Thomas NOW?

It's bad writing on Bell's part because the demos are tanking. He's throwing Steffy under the bus to get a boost.

The story was definitely changed....because you didn't see ANY indications of this in the 2020 preview.

Betcha Thomas' redemption has been nixed too and we can forget about Zomas.

Honestly? Because the ratings suck

by Ilovebizzie, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 2:57PM (261 days ago) @ Darling1911

Part of the problem is that Bell won’t hire a new actor as a character who starts off with Steffy and is all about her from the get go. I don’t know why.

I think Thomas will be “redeemed” but I wouldn’t count on Zomas. I think Bell wants Thomas with Hope for now. He might use Zoe to “redeem” him by trashing her so we feel sorry for Thomas. Won’t work on me. Unfortunately characters of color don’t last long on this soap, which is a terrible thing.

Help me understand Steffy

by Steffyfanatic, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 2:54PM (261 days ago) @ GracieGirl

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?

Probably for the same reason they had Brooke and Taylor fight over Ridge for years despite better men coming along or them being career women and mothers. They embarrassed themselves and let Ridge humiliate them for years jumping between them or dumping them to be with the other before he finally chose one and stuck with her. Even now he still isn’t faithful. Still kissing on other women while claiming he has the one he wants at home. I thought we were done with that type writing for women in today’s society but it’s clear there is no way there are women writers on this show. The best thing they did was write Steffy walking away from Liam and building her line around women empowerment but they were never serious about sustaining it. These writers wouldn’t know women empowerment if it slapped them in the face.

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Help me understand Steffy

by MegsMom, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 2:57PM (261 days ago) @ GracieGirl

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?

Seems all the women are written this way. When have we ever had a strong, independent, kick butt, take no prisoners woman on this show?

Help me understand Steffy

by Ilovebizzie, Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 3:21PM (261 days ago) @ MegsMom

Original Sally maybe?

Help me understand Steffy

by Barbybo, Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 7:20AM (260 days ago) @ MegsMom

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?


Seems all the women are written this way. When have we ever had a strong, independent, kick butt, take no prisoners woman on this show?

Wasn’t the old lady stephanie a kick ass gal?

Help me understand Steffy

by MegsMom, Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 7:31AM (260 days ago) @ Barbybo

You know I’m not a fan of this character, but I’m really trying to figure out what the writers are saying. It makes me cringe to watch her listen to Liam plead with Hope. Is that really OK for a contemporary, beautiful, rich business woman? Why does the show write Steffy as if she’s Liam second choice after Hope throws him away? I stopped rooting for Lope after Italian fiasco. Never rooted for Steam. Now, I hate all the couplings, but what I dislike more is watching a woman so desperate for a man. Why are they painting Steffy as so desperate?


Seems all the women are written this way. When have we ever had a strong, independent, kick butt, take no prisoners woman on this show?


Wasn’t the old lady stephanie a kick ass gal?

Some might see her that way, but IMO any redeeming qualities Stephanie might have had were offset by other less than appealing traits. She truly was an unpleasant, unlikable character. At least IMO. In fact, in hindsight, I think Thomas inherited a lot of Stephanie's less than stellar characteristics. Stephanie was definitely a strong woman, but she was manipulative, controlling, vindictive and often, downright nasty.

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